MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Taking a positive Falklands message to Brazil
“Unthinkable, unacceptable and unsupportable” was how Joanisval Brito Goncalves, Senior Legilslative Counselor for International Affairs and Defence Issues at the Brazilian Senate, described the Argentine government’s attitude to the Falkland/ Malvinas Islands in a press conference held in Stanley on Wednesday afternoon. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Unthinkable, unacceptable and unsupportable attitude”; “this pearl in the South Atlantic which was clearly not Argentinean”...
Dec 05th, 2013 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0unbiased report my arse.
this poor man has been brainwashed by the lady with they grey hair and glasses (what's her name again? jenkings?) and her entourage. had they done their homework instead of landing there with “no idea of what they were going to find” they could have come to a more reasonable and fair conclusion.
in any case his amateurism just goes to show how much weight this consultant and his ideas will have back in brasilia: none.
“...the importance of Argentina to Brazil should not be overestimated.” I sense the emergence of a new blood cot forming in the Casa Rosada.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 you would know all about brainwashing.....
Dec 05th, 2013 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Amazing !
Dec 05th, 2013 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0For once Mercosur/Mercosul Press quotes an article that exactly mirrors that expressed here in the Brasilian press. The statements of this fact finding commission were repeated exactly in O Globo.
Our relations with our neighbor Argentina have at times been trying, and who only in the last few decades “discovered” they were actually South Americans and not as they professed some species of superior Europeans. We in Brasil have limits of patience and common sense, and we are not a rubber stamp to Peronist memories and fantasies of living in the past. We will act in our best interests, and what is best for Brasil.
Argentina needs Brasil's help and assistance now, which we are ready to offer. But the most accurate, wake-up statement made by Gustavo Bernard, which is shared by young and old alike here, is that “ the relationship of Argentina to Brasil should not be over-estimated.”
@1 Troneas
Dec 05th, 2013 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's difficult for Argentina to keep telling lies, when people can actually go and see for themselves, and then make up their own minds.
Have you noticed the difference between the way this was reported, and the way that the Panama and Guyana 'support' for Argentina was reported?
Let me tell you.
In the 1st it is ACTUALLY the representatives from Brazil that are doing the talking and making the statement.
In the 2nd it is ACTUALLY an Argentine official that says that Panama or Guyana said this or that.
Just like earlier in the year when your foreign minister stated that he and Spain had come to an agreement to attack the British jointly over the Falklands and Gibraltar, only to be humiliated less than a day later when the Spanish said it was an outright LIE, and that they'd never agreed to such a thing.
Just like when the Argentine government reported that the Irish Parliament supported Argentina, BUT all of the Irish Government official releases didn't even mention the Falklands, let alone whether they supported Argentina or not.
You see, you may live in your own little world, only reading from officially 'approved' news sources, but the rest of us can read what we like from any news source.
It is you who is 'brainwashed', (it takes more than 1 day to brainwash even the weakest of minds).
You should also note this line very carefully, as I believe it was a warning to Argentina: the importance of Argentina to Brazil should not be over-estimated.
In other words, Brazil is getting fed up by Argentina's deliberate policy of dragging it's feet, delaying trade, and the damage it has been doing to Brazil's economy (which they might also think is deliberate).
The more the country's of South America go to the Falklands and see the truth for themselves, the more support - even the lip service that they currently give you - will erode into nothing.
Yet at the same time Brazil is eager to open trade with the Falklands. Another fail to Argentina.
Fearful Troneas ?? You should be :-)
Dec 05th, 2013 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil has more than one neighbour and over the past year or so the diplomatic language out of Brasilia has started to change. In its continual bid to appease Argentina's delicate sensibilities it has found itself bound by restrictions that it abides by while Argentina ignores restrictions when it sees fit.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil share's a border with every country in South America except for Chile. It has put its relationship to these other countries into a secondary position to team up with what was once South America's richest and most developed country. However those mantles are slipping away to others now.
It doesn't surprise me that any person that visits the Islands will be impressed by their stability, wealth and friendliness. WHile this Brazilian visit won't suddenly lead to much, it only takes small changes to have a major effect on 3,000 people.
How long before Timberhead, or one of his minions, is 'demanding' that Brazil reject this statement in the LatAm solidarity.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4. Brazil has and has had a trade surplus with argentina for over a decade. in words you can understand: brazil sells MORE to argentina than what argentina sells to brazil. that has been going on for since at least 2002. and the difference every year is of Billions USD. and *you* are losing your patience? LOL *you* have limits of common sense? You know why your government puts up with Argentina's whims? because you make money by trading with argentina! crazy, right? O Globo is the same news conglomerate that initially said the massive protests in Rio and Sao Paulo were totally unjustified as well.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5. These people who are “doing the talking” are talking only for themselves. it would be totally improper for jenkins to thank brazil for any support or understanding because these puppets do not represent their country. they are *consultants* - to the senate committee of foreign affairs even not even to the foreign ministry.
when argentina thanks nations for their support on a unified argentina it does to presidents or foreign ministers who *do* officially speak for their country on these matters.
and of course these countries will not deliberately go out of their way to announce to the world their support to argentina's claim in casual bilateral meetings. it would elevate the subject to a level that would draw too much attention to it when in truth it wasn't the main objective of the mission - so they re-affirm their support in the final document and argentina thanks them for it.
as for the spanish... they are cowards and have always been. when they realised what the implications of what they had proposed meant before the UK and EU they backed down. throughout history spain has been bullied and managed left and right by other european countries and the united states and they accepted it with resignation.
Well Brazil have descended from Portugal, a tradition allies of the UK. we should perhaps expect better from then the ones who have descended from Spain ones, a former rival.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“throughout history spain has been bullied and managed left and right by other european countries”
Dec 05th, 2013 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Throughout history! I think you need a few history lessons.
The reason that Argentina is of less and less importance to Brazil is that a trade surplus is always nice, but compare it to trade balances with other countries I'm pretty sure Argentina is of less and less importance to Brazil, apart form being their equivalent of Mrs Rochester.
There's no 'A' in BRICS.
Troneas - just show a modicum of humility! The Argentine attitude towards the Falklands Islands does not bear universal support!
Dec 05th, 2013 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11. what history lesson do i need? since the death of Charles II in 1700 spain has been a puppet to the French Crown. they lost florida to the brits after several defeats following the seven years war (after losing the armada might i add). they were overrun by napoleons army following their failure to honour the alliance against the british (and after losing trafalgar). they only managed to get rid of napoleons army thanks to the brits and the portuguese. and again, their king was handpicked by a foreign power.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0again in 1824 the french had to intervene to restore ferdinand to the throne following a revolution. at all this they were losing or had lost countless battles in the americas and their latest attempts at recovering chile and peru failed miserably (1864).
they lost the spanish-american war in 1898. they ceded the Philippines, guam, puerto rico to the US in exchange for money.
they declared themselves neutral in both WWI and WWII...
its too much to cover in this tiny space but aside from bullying native american indians and norther africans (who did put up a fight at times), Spain has been an unglorified european power sustained only but what they sacked from the americas.
as for BRICS... lol who cares? BRICS is an idea that some economist thought of and Brazilians who have longed for regional dominance since the beginning of time given their vast country and inferiority complex to their lack of refined culture dived right into it and suddenly thought they were the USA. check their human development index to know where they really stand.
These are all intelligent and well informed people, with highly credible backgrounds. The likelihood of them being brainwashed is slim indeed.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand the likelihood of them being able to see very quickly through the lies and obfuscations with which they have been bombarded by Argentina ove the last few decades is very high. Intelligent people who see the Falklands for what it is. A strong and committed people in its own right, who will choose what is in their best long term interest, and a country which is open for business with friendly neighbours.
Troneas, the upmarket TTTransvestite but with a greater degree of brain washing.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0He will die believing the crap he was taught at school: pathetic creature.
@14. oh please. they were specifically invited by the illegal malvinas government for the sole purpose of lobbying the brazilian congress. they know brazilian authorities would not go so they invite these “consultants”:
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Mr Goncalves was part of a four person delegation of Brazilian congressional advisors in the Falklands this week as guests of the Falkland Islands Government”.
What was he supposed to say: “thank you very much for bringing us down here but i really think there is no place for a colony from a decadent colonial power in south america any more?”
where did he find these words: “Unthinkable, unacceptable and unsupportable”?
Are you people starving in the streets due to argentina's economic “blockade”? are you in lack of medical supplies? food? energy?
i tell you where he got those words from: mrs jenkins!
I've always thought that the concept of BRICs was worthless. And it will go the way of COMECON eventually. But that doesn't hide the fact that Brazil moves in circles that Argentina can only dream of.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what does that make Argentina? Pretty much less than nothing on the world stage and for Brazil, seemingly not as important as it once was.
Doesn't Brazil export more to China and the US than its next door neighbour Argentina?
@11
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps just a lesson in English then, although it is possible that you think history started in 1700.
#16
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could it not just be that they went to see for themselves and form their own opinion rather than relying on the continual one-sided propaganda issued from BA. Presumably they will report back to their congress with THEIR findings. Neither of us are in a position to second guess what the result will be.
It is then up to the Brazilian Congress to either believe what they are told OR reject it.
It's called POLITICS !!
I see Argentine arrogance against Brazil is still alive and prospering !
It must be galling to see a mixed race country doing much better than you !
@17. what circles? brazilian's economy is contracting. its even posted here on mercopress:
Dec 05th, 2013 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2013/12/04/brazilian-economy-contracts-0.5-in-third-quarter-but-still-2.2-annually
it has been growing less than expected and at a slow rate since Dilma took office.
Brazil has 200 million people. Argentina has a 40m. they are a huge market with a growing middle class and has naturally attracted the attention of the world. through industralisation and foreign investment they leaped to the 6th position in world GDP.
but they too have their problems. infrastructure is one of them. for one, they have no railroads. argentina's once impressive railroad system might be neglected, but the infrastructure is there and covers the whole country brazil's trains don't even join sao paulo and rio. their airports are saturated. many of their national roads are either precarious or insufficient to support their traffic.
their power grid is appalling and everyone who has lived in brazils largest cities knows of their daily power outages when it rains. and they too suffer from power shortages during the dry season.
brazil has one of the highest taxes in the world and their citizens don't really benefit much from the State in any way. Their educational system, for instance, is either shockingly appalling or shockingly expensive. Together with Colombians, Brazialians top the amount of students argentina receives in its universities.
each country (argentina and brazil) have their own set of problems - and sometimes very different in nature but to dismiss either of them as unimportant in the world stage is ridiculous.
argentina is a G20 country. its economy is ranked amongst the 20 highest in the world weather you like it or not. it has a “very high” human development index as per the UN...
where do you think the spanish and italians are escaping too from their crushed economies? yes, argentina and brasil...
I heard that the GDP of Sao Paolo alone is bigger than that of Argentina.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21. You heard wrong. as of 2012 argentina GDP stood roughly at 475 bn USD and Sao Paulo at 450 bn USD.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0in any case, Sao Paulo IS of course the main industrial state of brazil. it represents alone 1/5 of the total GDP of the country... and if you look at its size its telling
did you know Sao Paulo's GDP alone is also greater than 22 US states combined?
not sure what your point is, though. brazil has 5x the size of argentina. the State of Sao Paulo alone has the same amount of population than Argentina: 40 m.
Argentina's GDP is NOT US$475 billion because it currency is depreciating and which exchange rate do you use? As for measuring in PPP, unfortunately doesn't work because of Argentina's inflation rate…. the real one or the fake one.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0But it isn't surprising that Brazil's economy is growing so badly. There are plenty on here that have continually highlighted how badly managed its economy is. And part of that problem is that it has hitched its wagon to Argentina which is economic poison.
As it is finally starting to realise that Argentina doesn't generate economic growth or wealth for Brazil.
“Sao Paulo's GDP alone is also greater than 22 US states combined”
Really? Which 22 US states? Because the 22 smallest US states have a GDP of US$1.64 trillion!
Sao Paulo's GDP is the same size as TEN US states. And do you know what their combined population is?
Not even 10 million.
10 million Americans produce the same amount as 40 million of the richest Brazilians and all Argentineans!
Next lie please!!!!!
Troneas
Dec 05th, 2013 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0firstly the Brazilians were invited they were not forced to visit, their presence shows regardless of what is reported in the press they are on a fact finding mission indirectly they are saying there is two sides to this story and they have not been convinced by the Argentine side of it, lets hear Timmerman support the Brazilian attempts to discover the true facts
@Troneas 1, 9, 13, 16, 20
Dec 05th, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do enjoy your well written posts, but all that angst and energy expended just because a group of Brazilians recognize there is nothing Argentine about the Falklands. You should take it easy - it is unhealthy to covert what you will never have.
At least you are lighthearted enough to provide some comic relief with the idea of an Argentinean beating on Brazil with the HDI stick:
“check their [Brazil] human development index to know where they really stand”
“ it [Argentina] has a “very high” human development index as per the UN... ”
“very high”, that's funny, you're 5 places behind even Chile - you are coming second in a second division ugly contest! lol.
06:00 hrs here in British Columbia,and just checked in to get my fix of laughs for the day...Yup Troneas (#) provided them,man oh man where do they ever find these monkeys?...Ohh silly mois...Arjuntina of course... you have a fun day now Troneas ,and keep right on posting we all like a good laugh..!
Dec 05th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troneas,
Dec 05th, 2013 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please stop denigrating Brasil and our delegates.
You do yourself and Argentina no favours by your approach.
We do not stand bombastic and uber-proud in foreign affairs - and I know we have made some serious misjudgements ... especially with respect to Venezuela and your father-land itself.
We acknowledge that we struggle to get things done, and that we have been - and still are - hog-tied by corruption at all levels;
but we are trying to make Brasil into a place that the world can do business with. All your father-land is interested in doing is holding us back.
We have to cut the ties that bind us to you some time soon, and,
if that means re-writing the rules and membership of Mercosur,
then - trust me! - we WILL do it.
The British and the Portugese always shared a commin enemy: Spain. In fact Portugal is our oldest ally.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its nice to see it being repeated in the South Americas.
Tronas
Dec 05th, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“did you know Sao Paulo's GDP alone is also greater than 22 US states combined?”
Cool....we also have two states each individually with a larger GDP than the entire country of Brazil. Our top 5 states have a combined GDP 3 times larger than Brazil. your point is?
23 Anglotino
Dec 05th, 2013 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice one.
All of Troneas' lies debunked in one fell swoop!!
The arrogance of his haranguing bs, you have to wonder if he believes it himself.
He seems I accepting of the loss of Argentina's prestige, in the last 30 years.
Very revealing to hear him slag their allies, brothers, and trading partners, as inept, undeveloped, or cowards and losers.
@1 Just as a matter of interest, how long does it take your “education” system to turn an impressionable child into a raving, imbecilic, brain-dead fanatic such as yourself? And these congressional “advisers” will be in the Falklands for a week? Have you considered introducing electro-shock to the genitalia for your students? Remember how it was? Good, wasn't it? And now you're impotent. Great deal, right? Incidentally, seen all those responses your “comment” engendered. Not because it was a “good” comment. Just because so many people couldn't resist telling you what a wanker you are. Still, you know that, don't you?
Dec 05th, 2013 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9 Oh yes, the voice of “reason”. Without going too far, would you like to estimate the result of replacing a “market” of 40 million with a “market” of 500 million? Not that I'm in favour of an EU/mercosur agreement.
Can you the read the word “advisers”?
If argieland thanks nations for their support on a unified argieland why doesn't it leave it to presidents or foreign ministers who *do* officially speak for their country on these matters? Maybe they wouldn't say what you want them to say. Maybe they wouldn't mention you at all! But they wouldn't “deliberately go out of their way” to menti0n the only reason you went there? So you're pretty insignificant. Right?
@13 Why don't you go down this line? The Spanish and their “descendants” are totally incompetent. And argieland is explained!
@16 Oh dear, even in your own excerpt the word is “advisors”. So why do you use “consultants”? But thanks for mentioning the ineffectiveness of the argie “blockade”. It's a good one, isn't it? “We will impose sanctions!” “Oh, the sanctions aren't working. There are no sanctions”.
Try this. As Brazil learns about the Falkland Islands and Britain, it turns out that argieland is a little fart in a small puddle. Understand that?
Yeah that economic powerhouse of North Dakota should be admitted in its own the the G12. I'd love to see the time logged making that cherry picking exercise. (It's up there with people who say that said state is more corrupt [coughpercoughcapitacough] than Chicagoland.)
Dec 05th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr troneas, I understand that it bothers you that a great nation as Brazil ( arch rival of Argentina) beats and dominates your country and region. Brazilian economy is not contracting but neither growing as spectacular. Sao Paulo state influences is bigger than Argentina as a whole. Only the state of São Paulo HDI=0.851, GDP=US$ 615 billion, has a higher standard of living and a bigger economy compare to Argentina as a whole with a HDI of 0.815 and a GDP of US$ 485 billion. Argentina as a whole on HDI scores better vs Brazil's HDI (0.73). The only subject mr troneas can use to boost his ego which is very low.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Infrastructure in Brazil as a whole has a long way to go, but you ignore for your own reason that some Brazilian states mainly in the south beat Argentina and others are on track to beat Argentina ( where infrastructure is just as worse) by investing in, which lacks in Argentina (no money). About high education Brazil is the highest in the region and even Chile beats Argentina. Argentine so called business elites and politicians are full aware that the old glory stories are irrelevant and that Brazil matters, because it is the dominant force in the region that has a long way to go, meaning it offers more and long term opportunities. Rich Argentines don't study in buenos aired but in São Paulo, in Boston or in Miami ( where they feel home with the Cubans). BRICS, does not matter for you but your politicians do wish the were part of that club ( invented by a English ex Goldman Sachs economist) that gains slowly more influences. Argentina is only in the “g20” thanks to the Brazilians that thought that its better to have 3 Latin American nations in front of the table, and not because of it size of GDP (which is also questionable thanks to a politicized INDEC).
Back to the Falklands subject, this article shows that Brazil is busy with their own interest which is doing Business while Argentina is in the business of going in decline.
We Brazilians are the melting pot of the worst of western Europe, the worst of Africa and the worst of the Americas while you Argentines started from a much better position and yet you ruined it all. You are better than us is a lot of things, but not particularly better. It is more impressive to see Brazil, Mexico and Colombia getting what they get than you. :)
Dec 05th, 2013 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now, deal with it!
http://imageshack.us/f/818/r2n5.jpg/
@Troneas
Dec 05th, 2013 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Delegations from several Latnam countries went to observe the Falklands referendum.
Delegations from two more Latnam countries have been there since.
Not to mention the Islands business (and other) ties with Uruguay and Chile.
All of this generation of S. American leaders may support (to varying degrees) Argentina’s sovereignty claims in the S. Atlantic.
However it’s quite clear not all S. Americans support Argentina’s claims, and not all of the next generation of S. American leaders will either.
What surprises me here is your attitude towards, and the language you use to describe, your supposedly brother Latinos, “inferiority complex to their lack of refined culture”, as just one example.
How long before you start calling them “implanted Portuguese squatters”?
Little wonder the Brazilians here seem to be your most vociferous critics.
We thinks that if brazil finally wakes up, thus convinces the rest of south America that the Falklands are a great , honest , place to do business with,
Dec 05th, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then in time, the Falklands could well become the jewel in South America,
Growing richer, and becoming a economical powerhouse,
More valuable to Brazil than CFKs corrupt Argentina,
Now that is a very good future to look forward to,
And argentina sadly will just fade away into nothing..
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@20 Troneous
Dec 05th, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well thanks for the compliment regarding Argentina's railway system. It was primarily built by the British, beginning just a few years following the signing of the Treaty of Settlement in 1850. How much is British now, I'm not sure but infra-structure is always handy.. like the roman roads in the UK, cheers Hadrian!
@37. Yes i am fully aware of this. praise ought to be given when its due.
Dec 05th, 2013 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil's cunning plan may have worked :-)
Dec 05th, 2013 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/146791/minister-argentina-to-ease-restrictions-on-brazilian-imports
A handful of Americans Panamanians and Brazilian“funded visitors” supports the British colony in Argentina.
Dec 06th, 2013 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0The funded MercoP. supports them as well.
The rest of the continent don't, not even their masters in North America.
“In latest insult to Britain, the Obama administration kowtows to Kirchner on the Falklands referendum” :-))))
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100204229/in-latest-insult-to-britain-the-obama-administration-kowtows-to-kirchner-on-the-falklands-referendum/
“funded” MoreCrap ?? By who ?? Brazil ?? Still living in a fantasy world there I see Marv :-)
Dec 06th, 2013 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Referring to the Falkland Islands as “this pearl in the South Atlantic” which was clearly not Argentine,”
Dec 06th, 2013 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0So much for the wall to wall solidarity that Argentina claims it has from the rest of SA on this issue.
Oh well, Hectoring Hector is going to have to get off his arse again and do some more whinging and arm twisting!
#40
Dec 06th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dated 25 Feb 2013 ? You think this is news ?
40 Marcos Alejandro
Dec 06th, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Barack Obama is the most anti-British US president of modern times
Believe me, what goes around, WILL come around
As soon as the British government grows a backbone,
We WILL come around ..lol
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@40
Dec 06th, 2013 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We ( The British ) have the FALKLANDS, just get over it. You can rant and rave about it, but it is a fact. There is NOTHING you or your Fascist Government can do about it. PLEASE explain how in the next century you are going to annexe the FALKLANDS, dream on you retard.
@40 Mark
Dec 06th, 2013 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The most it says by Kerry in the article you refer to, is that Argentina and the UK should talk on practical issues involving the Falklands-which both the Falkland Islands and the UK are willing to discuss.
And?
Kerry specifically mentions he supports the de facto administration of the Islands by the UK, and nowhere does he support Argentine sovereignty of the Islands.
If this is interpreted by Argentina that the US supports the Argentine position, then you're on slippery ground to start with.
Not exactly going to wow the ICJ is it?
@ 40 Marcos Alejandro
Dec 07th, 2013 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The rest of the continent don't”
Clearly not the case, is it?
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Dec 07th, 2013 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0this is about the Falkland's,
Dec 07th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not the old ancient none existent used to be Argentina..lol
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