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Police unrest in Argentina continues to extend; Buenos Aires says it is prepared

Saturday, December 7th 2013 - 22:07 UTC
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The Argentine police unrest in demand for higher wages which started last Monday in Cordoba has rapidly spread to at least eight other provinces and the central government in Buenos Aires is preparing for a major challenge. It has already sent special gendarmerie forces to Santa Fe and Cordoba, on request from the governors. Read full article

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  • yankeeboy

    I practically giddy.

    Toby did you notice Mendoza is mentioned?

    Inflation up peso down and civil unrest

    What more could a boy ask for?

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    As I asked on Wednesday,

    ”Since Cordoba was the starting point of (ultimately effective) popular uprisings against the government in 1955 and 1969 could history be repeating itself again?”

    Maybe the answer is now starting to reveal itself?

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Where did they start in 2001?
    Is the helicopter gassed up?

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mick23

    All set... we'll prep a pitcher of PanGalaticGargleBlasters... Sometimes I miss the place but recently am happier than ever not to be there... Turbines at 90%!!

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @1

    Wow, so you and Mercopress fell for a proven and baseless TWITTER rumor, and Mercopress is reporting is as “official” news of a “conflict”.

    That is disgusting, pathetic, laughable, contemptible, and may actually be criminal, for fanning the flames of civil unrest, by a “news agency”, no matter how big or small, what language, and what ideology it champions.

    http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2013/12/8/rumores-saqueos-tarde-entre-paranoia-recaudos-755123.asp

    “Las redes sociales actuaron como disparador y al rato todos habían escuchado de algún ataque. En el Centro, los comerciantes se avisaban de posibles grupos que venían por todo. Pero luego se comprobó que nada de eso era verdad.”

    I actually think an investigation should be undertaken against those news organizations reporting a twitter message as a credible source. Either they are utterly irresponsible and don't deserve to have a license, or they clearly engaged in criminal behavior, as freedom of speech DOES NOT give you the right to shout “mass shooter” at an American shopping mall, university, or elementary school. That is cruel and can easily lead to death from people panicking to get out or just from heart attacks.

    From yankeeboy I expect no less, he has no values and is basically an online prostitute selling himself to the lowest bidder of argie bad news.

    From Mercopress I still held a shred of hope, being not totally British an all, but that shred certainly is now perpetually asunder. They are just like the British media, a world embarrassment.

    PATHETIC, to report a twitter rumor as news.

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    The reports and photographs in La Nacion seem a bit more substantial than a twitter rumour:

    http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1645872-un-escenario-nacional-que-se-complico-en-pocos-dias-y-que-permanece-aun-incierto

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Nostrils

    Does that mean you will bring up your grand unveiling of your master plan?

    Or just stop visiting…. I mean stooping so low to using…. Mercopress?

    Oh should I perhaps mention that the “conflict” that the article is mentioning is “police unrest in demand for higher wages” and not civil?

    Seems your grasp of foreign language isn't as good as you CONTINUALLY claim and gloat about.

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Perhaps Kirchner will bring the Army in to maintain law and order. Start up those helicopters!
    Murder - 50
    Manslaughter - 30
    Looting - 20
    Theft - 10
    Dropping litter - 5
    All penalties in thousands of feet

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    Oooh how enjoyable: Argie killing Argie

    popcorn anyone?

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    5 The Truth PaTroll

    Come on then “The Truth PaTroll”... What's the real story???

    I find it funny that you have “Truth” as part of your name but seldom ever write a word of it......

    So, here is the challenge then. If this story is, as you say, a “baseless TWITTER rumor” then please, please, please tell us all what the REAL story is........ IF you can ( chuckle, chuckle )

    P.s:- Didn't you also say that you would not be posting on this forum again????

    Or was that just another one of your Turths???

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @1 And Chubut. Obviously hotbeds of lawless extremism.
    @5 Wow! Such desperation. Would you like to “investigate” how comments in one country are “criminal” in another? Make sure you investigate fully. You may find that comments considered as criminal in stupid criminal arseland are called “freedom of speech” in democratic countries. Even though Uruguay is only hanging on to “democratic” by the skin of its teeth. As for your remaining rant, please bear in mind that arseland is only “free” and “democratic” in your single remaining neurone. But it's good to see your desperation increasing on a daily, even hourly, basis. You may find it worthwhile visiting your psychiatrist for additional medication. Wouldn't want your “brain” to explode. And the considerations? End of comedy. Messiness. And the effect of the “explosion” of a “peanut”!
    @10 Your spelling is atrocious. It's not “Turths”. It's “Turds”.

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    Is history about to repeat itself in Argentina ?

    “President resigns after riots leave 22 dead in Argentina”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-91169/President-resigns-riots-leave-22-dead-Argentina.html#ixzz2msl7yv7H

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    It's hard to tell if Toby is mad about the society and economy crumbling or a poorly worded post.
    10000 less gendarmia in BA.
    Who would have though ever decreasing purchasing power,growing poverty, huge food increases would make people mad.
    I certainly never thought that (smirk)
    Maybe the should devalue even more that'll make em happy. Right?
    Does the phrase let them eat cake apply here?

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @6

    Post number 5 was in reference of including Mendoza in the donnybrook, when it is clear the info of Mendoza was a FALSE twitter, and both Los Andes and La Nacion clearly make that clear in my article and yours.

    That's what I was objurgating mercilessly, because it deserves to be. It's horrible journalism, period, admit it. Or maybe you just can't see it because that is just how the media is in the UK (Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, NOTW, Guardian... one a bigger joke than the next).

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    Associated Press
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/looting-death-argentine-police-strike-21094346

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    And the Argentine government passes a law to imprison people that are lawfully drilling for oil in Falkland waters. Pathetic...

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @14 keep up troll the NOTW hasn't existed for a couple of years now, do they not keep up in cananda

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit86

    Britain's ethnic problem: the English. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/britain-has-an-ethnic-problem-the-english/article15792740/

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Toby the tit outraged!

    Forget tit trying to divert the thread.

    The Argentine Police Force is losing control. Bar up your windows, all ladies don your chastity belts. Expect to pay even bigger bribes to the police, mayhem is on its way....

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @18
    Thanks for the link
    Riding a wave of discontent over transit hikes, corruption and police brutality, demonstrators have turned out in the hundreds of thousands to demand change and a more responsive government.
    @http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/popular-anger-heats-up-in-brazils-cities/article12659184/

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    and ttt will watch it all from the safety of it's keyboard in a far away land

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirate Love

    it all sounds very unsafe in these lawless provinces surely tourism will take a hit and tourists should be warned before booking

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Meanwhile, in the UK and the Falkland Islands, its onwards and upwards......
    Lift off for £1bn UK space project http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25199809u77u

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornelius

    This is the end my friends the end! I was 2 years late in predicting this bolivarian country in falling.

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit86

    ”Unlike the island’s other ethnic groups, low-income members of the English community seem determined to stay poor and uneducated. Britain’s Department of Education has published figures listing how many low-income children achieved passing grades in secondary school in 2012. Sixty per cent of black African and Bangladeshi students did, about half of Pakistanis and black Caribbean kids did, 40 per cent of Indians did – and only three in 10 “white British” (mainly English) kids did, putting them at the bottom of the list.

    “On top of this – or perhaps because of it – the English are now self-segregating into isolated, and sometimes impoverished, uni-ethnic enclaves. Some 600,000 white English people moved out of the mixed-ethnicity districts of London between 2001 and 2011 for less integrated areas, while other ethnic groups moved into areas of higher diversity.

    ”The English are more prone than other groups to drop out of school early, to live on welfare benefits, to become unhealthy and to engage in crime. In measures of alcohol abuse, “trouble with police while drinking” and lawbreaking, they outrank any other ethnic group in Britain (except the Irish). Riots led by ethnic English youths tore the cities of England apart in the summer of 2011, while ethnic Turks, Bangladeshis and Africans guarded shops and became heroes for rescuing people from the riots. There is a constant sense that the poor English are about to break out in violence.”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/britain-has-an-ethnic-problem-the-english/article15792740/

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Forget tit, meanwhile the whole of Argentina is in chaos with no police!

    The Argentinian government is a laughing stock around the world whilst simultaneously stealing tax money and putting it in their private bank accounts. The impoverished police are taking bribes and turning a blind eye because they are furious about their low wages and the 30% inflation rate.

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    There is a constant sense that the poor English are about to break out in violence.”

    what like this you mean

    http://policebrutalityinbrazil.tumblr.com/examplesofpolicebrutality

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    Forgetit86

    Are you going to actually post a relevant comment on what is currently happening in Argentina right now?

    Or are you going to admit defeat, and continue to post irrelevant links in the hopes of diverting the thread?

    It's a bad time to be in Argentina right now. Most of 'our' regular Malvinista's won't be worried though, considering none of them are in Argentina. It's easy for them to bury their heads in the sand and pretend it isn't happening.

    Not so easy for the people who actually live in Argentina though.

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    My Friends,

    I am just wondering if anyone has heard or knows anything about our fellow poster on here:- “Simon68”.

    With all the unrest that is going on, I can not help but be concerned for his wellbeing. As one of the few voices of sanity to come out of argentina, it would be a shame, would it not, if any harm were to come to him during the unrest that is being experienced.

    Therefore, I would just like to say to Simon68, if you are out there in Cyberland, my thoughts and best wishes are with you. I hope you and yours keep safe and well thought out the unrest.

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Actually LEPRecon, one thing I have noticed is how hesitant most Malvinistas or even Argentineans are to comment on many things at the moment. It seems as if they are unable to hold back the deluge of bad news at the moment.

    So if they don't deflect, they avoid and if they don't avoid, they nitpick.

    Kirchernism is a slow boil and bit by bit the bad news keep floating to the surface.

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    There is NO unrest in Mendoza, only rumours of unrest.

    Yesterday afternoon some of the shops in main street San Martín closed their shutters, but nothing happened and nothing had happened.

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Maybe Argies sense the Military are gearing up to return and are keeping their heads down. Who can blame them especially if they don't have a head for heights.

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    And while the British and American posters here fancy the quixotic disintegration of Argentina due to some police strikes, the ACTUAL disintegration of the UK and USA are well under way.

    http://news.yahoo.com/rural-america-secessionist-sentiment-stirs-050913017.html

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Yep getting out of control.
    I went from having the magazine full with chamber empty to loading a round in the chamber.
    I am ready for the saquero's!!

    Dec 08th, 2013 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit86

    @toooldtodieyoung

    No, I'm not. I've been a member at this forum since 2010 and I'm sick and tired of reading the same discussions over and over again. The subjects, the arguments used to discuss the subjects - nothing changes. So I'd rather troll your countrymen and try my best to wipe the Mercopress-made self-satisfied smiles off their dumb faces. How's that?

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    I troll because they troll.

    Deserved to whom deserves it.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Nostrils

    Great article. But counties seceeding from states to form new states in the US is hardly “disintigration”.

    As for Scotland, well at least the UK is mature enough to support self determination and act on it. Pity Argentina can't bring itself to do the same for the Falklands.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Protests and shots fired in BA.

    Toby the best you could hope for is Chile invading and fixing that horrible province.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    And lose my right to an education? No thank you.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    Your “right” to an education?

    Do you mean grade school education or a right to a university education?

    I am not seeing many links above to demonstrate this spreading unrest in Argentina. Is it just rumours, or just a couple outlying incidents?

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @40

    All education should be free as a right, from daycare to 4 year university. OF course, the choice of career and (to some extent) school should be left to competition of students for grades earned and innate skills. But the foot on the door should be equal to all.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Free education and career choice won't be needed in your autarkic paradise Nostrils.

    Whereas Chile must be doing something right as it speeds past the ever declining Argentina.

    Remember Nostrils by your own words, the best days of Argentina are behind it and it has no natural resources of any note...... population included.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • googer62

    @5 - although it gives me no great pleasure to see your country spiraling downwards (even though we have suffered years of argentine attempts to wreck our economy and thus lower our living condition etc), Merco doesn't seem to be that far wide of the mark
    http://www.clarin.com/politica/protesta-policias-extendio-provincias_0_1044495632.html

    http://www.clarin.com/politica/protesta-policias-extendio-provincias_0_1044495632.html

    And some people wonder why we aren't queuing up to give our homeland to the argentines ?

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    35 Forgetit86

    “So I'd rather troll your countrymen and try my best to wipe the Mercopress-made self-satisfied smiles off their dumb faces. How's that?”

    huh..........rude, unhelpful.....needlessly confrontational.

    “I've been a member at this forum since 2010 and I'm sick and tired of reading the same discussions over and over again”

    Well then, I would have thought that the answer is pretty clear isn't it? Or am I missing something?

    Why don't you try debating the subject at hand rather than trolling? I tell you what, why don't you surprise us all? yeah, stop acting to your stereotype and actually engage in a conversation. That I relive the boredom.

    I would suggest that you leave and never come back, if this site bores you that much but you can't bring yourself to stay away. Even “The Truth PaTroll” has said goodbye so many, many times but still has not gone. Still, we can't expect him to be true to his word now can we?

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    From what I hear from the family there were a number of gun shots the other night when the police went missing. Inflation or no inflation, frnakly I don't give a fcuk, Police should not strike. When you take on the job you realise that you are a critical group on whom the whole country depends and that, should you go on strike, the fabric of the country could be severely damaged. Admittedly the Police in Argentina are some of the worst form of cnuts you can come across. This is basically a set of small coups and they are trying to test the government. Unacceptable in any country, especialy a democratic one. I'm heading off there in a ocuple of days for a month so it will be interesting to see what happens. I tkae on delight in this and neither should anyone else, strike action such as this just leads to deaths, deaths which should be easily avoidable.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Falkland Islands

    @ 5 The Truth PaTroll, does not like the real truth, just argie lies. don't kid yourself all the time with lies lies and more lies from the argie government. Wake up TTT.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    42, There's not one decent “free” university in the world.
    Ever hear the expression you get what you pay for?
    Look at the utter clusterf*ck UBA has become. Crumbling buildings and the % of people to start a degree but never finish is shockingly high. My friend that went there then tried to finish in the USA had a horrible time getting anyone to recognize it as a decent university.
    Plus what's a good education worth if there's no career opportunity? Its just a waste of time.
    How much education do you need if the best you can hope for in Argentina is to be a front desk clerk for a foreign branded hotel?

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #41
    This is what we have in our despised country ! Jealous ?

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    @41

    Totally agree. Access to education should not be based on your ability to pay for it. This is coming from someone who has never been to a non-fee paying school, ever.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Tellіng_Trοll

    The student who asked the first question to Cristina in Harvard is killed in hit and run:

    http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2013/12/9/murio-atropellada-joven-hizo-primera-pregunta-cristina-harvard-755321.asp

    The knives are out, it's going to get nasty.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @42

    Yes, Argentina (economically) is well past its prime and has no chance at coming back. AND?

    That does not mean certain individuals (myself) can't do quite well. I guess you could only do well in Australia because anywhere else you would go into the fight already defeated.

    @43

    This is the same shit that actually DID happen in Britain in 2011, when the internet fueled a gang of thugs and misguided young people to go out and wreck and pillage, for basically no reason. And this was WITH police in the UK not on strike.

    In this case however argentines having more civility are far more difficult to convince to do it.

    And yet you queue to belong to a country that had a week of lawlessness in 2011?

    So thanks for the fake concern. You are part of a country that had much worse riots two years ago. Don't see you getting out of it? So obviously law and order means fark to you. It must be your in your blood (ah, British blood, THATS WHY you want to remain part of Britain).

    @47

    Of course the drop-out rate is super high, at that point it is their fault. And they get what they deserve.

    Private universities a la USA are destroying your country too, because it has gone way too far the other way. So many people left out that Europe, Asia, and now even some countries in the Middle East, Eastern Europe and South America are starting to leave you in the dust in terms of QUALIFIED TALENT for the jobs of today. Forget about math and science where the USA which used to be #1 is now dropping to near #40.

    If you think that spells a bright future to you, then you are an ostrich hanging out at the beach.

    @48

    Argentina
    Iran
    Bosnia
    Nigeria

    Jealous?

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @50 Truth_Telling_Troll

    An unusual murder weapon - is that what you are suggesting occurred? If so that is truly horrible. And sad either way.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @52

    There is no evidence whatsoever of that. It is really quite desperate how people here try to concoct conspiracies out of egg shells, no matter your countries are so politically in the toilet... Europe and the USA.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @53 The Truth PaTroll

    I don't have the information to form an opinion myself - just curious, and saddened.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    Well in honor of the poor young woman, and the fact we were already discussing education, and in honor of school now being out

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3tn026_4I

    I study.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @55 Tobias

    So you don't think 'malice aforethought' applies here?

    p.s. Thanks for that very sprightly video. That is a very expensive axe that bespectacled young man is wielding. I am envious.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @56

    Why, so far it was a bus driver that ran over a person and hit and run. It's not like the first time it happens sadly, not just in Argentina, but I hear of it all the time in many countries including the great civiized north. Hit and runs happen all the time.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @57

    Yes, even in the civilized south alas.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    Why would anyone planning such a ridiculous vendetta even use a public bus? That's the worst way to hide your crime: huge bulky machine, in case of a chase you have no hope of escaping. Even if by some miracle you did, there will be witnesses, and in such a big and bright vehicle, marked with distinctive colors and the BUS LINE NUMBER, you are setting yourself up for a short investigation.

    It makes no sense to take out someone like that.

    Second, should we then conclude that the Obama singing girl at the inaugural was killed by right wing extremists?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/teen-girl-who-performed-at-obama-inauguration-killed-in-chicago-shooting/

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @59

    Relax - I was agreeing with you. I live in the southern hemisphere. We too have hit and run killings. And yes, I AGREE a bus is a most unlikely murder weapon.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #51
    Jealous of Iran, Nigeria, Bosnia and ARGENTINA !
    You must be joking !!
    At least our universities have some world standing.
    We have 3 in the world's top 100. Not bad for a population of 5 million.
    Brazil and Chile surpass Argentina in the University placings.
    Bs As is 209 in world rankings.
    Tehran is 601. I could not even find Bosnia or Nigeria.
    #53
    In the toilet ? Your's is down the sewer and away.

    As to your country being in terminal decline,that is not set in stone.
    If you can get a government in who will work for the people and get rid of the every man for himself attitude there is no reason that in a generation your country cannot pull itself up.
    At the end of WW2, Germany and Japan were all but destroyed. They have managed it. Korea was pulled apart by their civil war and they are now a world player. You have a large country which should be a power in Latam so why don't you and your generation do something about it instead of inventing a world conspiracy against you ?

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @61

    Nope, there is no (economic) hope for Argentina. Zero chance, and I have never disputed that. That doesn't mean you can have a good life with what's left or with what you have, Mendoza for example. Doing quite well with what we do have. Being poor yet prosperous are not mutually exclusive.

    I will always prefer anything argentine over anything foreign. That does not preclude me from seeing reality, Argentina has no means of creating wealth, so it will not have a healthy economy ever again. As such, I will grant you argie-haters an exceedingly fugacious moment of mutual Kumbaya on this one subject:

    (economically) Argentina is finished! And has for 30 years.

    (to celebrate, choose your language):

    DE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQqNRLw-dNg

    IT
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQqNRLw-dNg

    EN
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQqNRLw-dNg

    PT
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQqNRLw-dNg

    FR
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQqNRLw-dNg

    ES
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQqNRLw-dNg

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    @62 TP “Argentina has no means of creating wealth”

    Are you sure?

    What about oil, minerals and arable land?

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @63

    Nope, that is not wealth if the proceeds of that wealth leave the country to fill off-shore island corporate headlquaters. Catch-22, you let foreign companies in, you will not see a penny of that wealth (and I don't disagree, if you put the money to extract it, I would want to keep my profits).

    If you don't bring the foreigners in, you have to do it locally. Quite difficult to extract when in today's world not even the largest countries like the USA or China can do it all without foreign capital.

    Arable land is no longer a resource. 100 years ago maybe, but today agricultural commodities are worthless.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    Tobias

    Why don't you comment on the actual story instead of trying to divert the thread?

    Argentine police going on strike. Anarchy on the streets. Lawlessness increasing.

    Surely you have an opinion on your Argentine 'Utopia' destroying itself right in front of your eyes.

    Argentina, the country that destroys itself, it doesn't need any help in that department, does it?

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  • Anglotino

    People are a country's best resource for creating wealth and Argentina's free education and society don't produce enough to actually do it.

    What is even sadder is that it takes Nostrils to actually state this and prove it at the same time.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    How does one keep from all those pesky buildings from falling down? At leady 1x quarter they're killing a dozen people or do.

    Quality Rg architects and enginerrs .

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @65

    Anarchy in the streets? I think not. You know it is beyond comtemptible that you call this anarchy, yet complete chaos in the UK with fires and people being killed on live closed circuit cameras was just a “hot summer week”, as the described by one person here at the time.

    Don't you have any sense of shame when you speak, knowing that when it comes to civil disturbances you have no right because none of what has ocurred has even remotely reached the level of this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMvuoGji3yU

    And all that was with a police state trying to supress it? Imagine if the police had gone on strike. I think you would have “auto-nuked” yourselves.

    In other news, the bus driver has turned himself in:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMvuoGji3yU

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • nololly

    Who will be next in the strike stakes? What section of the public services? Then it will be the private sector... Chaos looms!

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Do you mean the Venezuelan President turned himself in?
    Will Crissy do the same?
    Doubt it.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    fixing link

    http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1646154-se-entrego-el-colectivero-acusado-de-atropellar-y-matar-a-mariana-filgueira-risso

    @67

    At least we don't have these sorts of world embarrassments:

    http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1646154-se-entrego-el-colectivero-acusado-de-atropellar-y-matar-a-mariana-filgueira-risso

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  • yankeeboy

    I don't click on YouTube links they're always stupid.
    BTW they're saying 11/1 is the peso worth at current reserv balance. Which are widely over reported. So wonder what it's really worth?
    Those police wage hikes are gonna look pretty pitiful next quarter.
    I guess they'll just kidnap a few more people per month per presinct to make up the difference.
    No biggy.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    “Police unrest in Argentina continues to extend; Buenos Aires says it is prepared”

    They certainly are!

    Capitan Dismal has just announced they are giving in to the police and paying their demands.

    Scared shitless, and he has only been in the job less tthan a month!

    Argies at any level are just cowards and the higher up the tree the bigger the coward.

    Why am I NOT surprised?

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  • Anglotino

    The printing presses are being cranked up now.

    The government will teach those pesky police to dare ask for more money.

    Within months it will be worth even less.

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  • Doggy Rap

    @ 47 yankeeboy writes “There's not one decent “free” university in the world. ”

    Ever hear of Scandinavia where not only all education is for free but where students are paid to study because education is an investment in the future.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Wish verano would kick off here, bloody cold as for December.

    16C now with a possible high of 20C. Woopty doo.

    Dec 09th, 2013 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    77, actually I've never heard of a decent university in scandanavia. My friend in NATO command was just forced to leave the USA to go back to Scandinavia and is furious. He hates it there too many lazy welfare immigrants ruining his country.
    My guess is you're probably one of them

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  • 120.9 TroLL FM

    And now time for your early evening 120 point Trivia:

    Which country has the most dangerous summers in the world, with oscillations in temperature that afford its citizens either no summer at all and gloomy skies, or raging infernos of burning forests that threaten to destroy hard work and lifetime memories?

    ANSWER: Australia. In this country every year massive disasters seem to strike in summer, sometimes huge cyclones, other times jellyfish invasions, occassionally a plague of mutant mice and rats eating all in their path. But its normally the “bush fires” that keep the denizens there uneasy in the warm months. Unless it is a gloomy day under 20 degrees, having you wonder “where summer go”??

    And that was 120 points trivial question of the early evening.

    No need to ask where summer went here! We are just getting started with the hits, back in a bit with another great set of retro hits, on your 2014 Verano kick-off music marathon.

    120.9, TroLL FM!

    Dec 10th, 2013 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Yay! Australia is famous!

    120 points to ME! God I hope these points don't lose value as quick as the Peso.

    But it would be nice if the question wasn't answered straight away.... though I would have gotten this one anyway.

    Though I probably would have only gotten 90 points as the 32C in Sydney, 31C in Darwin and 29C in Brisbane isn't a gloomy day under 20C.

    But anyway.... yay for me!

    Dec 10th, 2013 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 120.9 TroLL FM

    Time to get night time started with a classic slow from Brazil, then warm the blood swinging by Sweden, and dim the lights and head into the night with Babasonicos...

    of our retro hits SUMMER kick-off music marathon, 120.9, TroLL FM!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQkSdt6pg6Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQkSdt6pg6Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQkSdt6pg6Y

    Dec 10th, 2013 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Summer kick off on the 9th?

    Mmmm?

    Anyway yaya 120.9 - go the DroLL!

    Dec 10th, 2013 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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  • CaptainSilver

    Nostril.......shadup!

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  • yankeeboy

    Toby is combining up with sound tracks appropriate for rioting.
    Toby if I were you I'd be trying to get a new computer it'll be the last one you see for a very very long time.

    Dec 10th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    @ 79 yankeeboy

    “actually I've never heard of a decent university in scandanavia.”

    Are you deaf?

    In the world ranking

    University of Copenhagen is no. 45
    Lund University is no. 67
    University of Helsinki is no. 69
    Uppsala University is no. 79
    University of Oslo is no. 89
    Aarhus University is no. 90

    Six among top 100 in Scandinavia, which has less than 25 mio. inhabitants.
    Corresponds to e.g. the US (330 mio.) which should have 80 among the top 100 - but there are only 15.

    http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2013#sorting=rank+region=+country=203+faculty=+stars=false+search=

    So you know one single person who doesn't like to return to Scandinavia?

    2010: The five happiest countries in the world–Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden and the Netherlands
    http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2013#sorting=rank+region=+country=203+faculty=+stars=false+search=

    2011: Norway in the top 10 prosperous countries are its Scandinavian sisters Denmark, Finland and Sweden,
    http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2013#sorting=rank+region=+country=203+faculty=+stars=false+search=

    2011: What’s the Happiest Country in the World? Not the United States
    http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2013#sorting=rank+region=+country=203+faculty=+stars=false+search=

    2012: Scandinavian Countries Are Happiest On Earth
    http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2013#sorting=rank+region=+country=203+faculty=+stars=false+search=

    2013: Scandinavian Countries Are Happiest On Earth
    http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2013#sorting=rank+region=+country=203+faculty=+stars=false+search=

    You don't know much about the world, do you?

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  • yankeeboy

    Little tiny cold countries. I couldnt care less.

    Dec 10th, 2013 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #87
    Actually, the happiest country in the world is Bhutan.

    Dec 10th, 2013 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    @ 90 Clyde15

    really? nobody else seems to have noticed - read links in # 87

    @ 89 yankeefool
    Cold? take a look at the US yesterday
    Texas: http://a.bimg.dk/node-images/26/7/1152x-u/7026328-usa-weather.jpg

    Baltimore, Maryland: http://a.bimg.dk/node-images/26/7/1152x-u/7026328-usa-weather.jpg

    Jordan, Montana: -41 F -40 C http://a.bimg.dk/node-images/26/7/1152x-u/7026328-usa-weather.jpg

    Small, yes, and RICH.

    Dec 11th, 2013 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #91
    Doggy rap
    Really? see below.
    theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/01/bhutan-wealth-happiness-counts

    Dec 11th, 2013 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    91. Maybe you should read a bit about “Scandinavia” you do realize they are separate countries and they're not all rich nor are all doing well.
    Norway is doing the best but they are moving to the Right pretty quickly and I can see some trouble brewing shortly. They're getting pretty sick of supporting the immigrants like natives.
    Sweden, no jobs, bad economy
    Finland is in a never ending recession
    The welfare model is breaking down with too many lazy immigrants taking from the systems.
    You should watch what happens in the next few years there. I think you'll be surprised when the last of the last Socialist holdouts realize it never works.

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