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Gibraltar in a list of potential “risks or threats” to Spain's maritime security strategy
The Spanish Government has included Gibraltar in a list of potential ‘risks or threats’ to its national maritime security. The claim is contained in a single paragraph of a new 48-page national maritime security strategy policy approved by the Spain’s National Security Council last Thursday. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“....Gibraltar is an anomaly in today’s Europe and a dysfunction....” the document said.
Dec 09th, 2013 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ceuta and Melilla - and they are what exactly?
@1 .....Not in Europe........clever wording by Spain you see, '..in today's Europe'. Ridiculous I know, but that is the Spanish for you, 7 miles away in Africa and they do not count, as it is a different continent. I have a Spanish step mother in-law and when Ceuta etc are mentioned in the same breath as Gibraltar, she always points out they are completely different scenarios. She doesn't know why they are, but insists they are.
Dec 09th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've heard it all now, anyone would think that they had the Taliban living on Gibraltar.
Dec 09th, 2013 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 3
Dec 09th, 2013 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, the taliban are running Spain's government, bunch of rag-headed stone age morons that they are.
Who is the belligerent here? It's not Britain or Gibraltar. Who has been breaking the Law of the Sea? It's not Britain or Gibraltar. Who has been harassing EU citizens at the border? It's not Britain or Gibraltar. Who is the greatest threat to maritime security in area? It's Spain by jimmeny!
Dec 09th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain does not accept Gibraltar's sovereign territorial waters because they were not mentioned in the Treaty of Utrecht. Piffle.
Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ICJ judgements that are relevant to case:
ICJ Delimitation of the Marine Boundary in the Gulf of Maine area USA v CANADA 1984
Paragraph 83
'No maritime delimitation between states with opposite or adjacent coast may be effected unilaterally by one of those states.'
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?sum=346&p1=3&p2=3&case=67&p3=5
Maritime Delimitation in the Black Sea Romania v Ukraine 2009
Paragraph 33
'Finally, regarding Romania's declaration, the court observe that under Article 310 of UNCLOS, a state is not precluded from making declarations and statements when signing, ratifying or acceding to the Convention, provided these do not purport to exclude or modify the legal effect of the provisions of UNCLOS in their application to the state which has made a declaration or statement. Romania's declaration as such has no bearing on the Court's interpretation.'
Paragraph 33
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?sum=346&p1=3&p2=3&case=67&p3=5
Or in the words of Jose Antonio de Yturriaga, former Spanish Ambassador of Iraq, Ireland and Russia, 'The Spanish position on the issue of Gibraltar's territorial waters was weak and lacks any legal basis.' (Dec 2010)
@2
Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.....Not in Europe........
Olivenza is
Disputed status of Olivenza
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputed_status_of_Olivenza
“The colony of Gibraltar is an anomaly in today’s Europe and a dysfunction in the relations between two countries that are partners and allies,”
Dec 09th, 2013 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is pretty much it.
Part of the UK....oh but not part of the UK reeeally.
Part of the Eu ... well yeah but not reeeallly.
No no .. you cant live here this is our land.
Excuse me while I move to Madrid.
So what if Britain effectively mugged Spain for this place.
Spain shouldn't be bully us.
Britain kicked out the Spaniards so we could live here.
Self determination is whats important.
So what if our tobacco is super cheap, live with it.
Boo Hoo they're delaying us for hours.
Seriously, Gibraltar makes GB look like the scumbag of Europe.
Not that the people of GB can do anything about it, even if so wanted.
Yip ... democracy ... majority rule for Britain....yeah but not reeeaaally.
#8
Dec 09th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the UK looks like it to people like you but Spain has the unchallenged title. You do like your hyperboles, don't you.
There seems to be a Hispanic mind-set that if you threaten, cause trouble and insult people, they will acquiesce to your demands.
They have picked the wrong target. This probably could have been settled years ago with a softly softly approach playing the long game.
So, where can Spain go from here; they are running out of options to divert from internal problems.
Dec 09th, 2013 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It still can be resolved with smiling faces all round if the softly softly approach is taken by -both- sides.
Dec 09th, 2013 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But “no, no, no” wrong target...“we will fight them on the beaches”.
“Never, never, never”
Anyway, criticize the points at no.8 if you can.
(I.m.correct. o) Its a self (double) serving, indulgent little place. Mollycoddled in little legal exceptions, tax exceptions, EU exceptions, UK exceptions. Ironically whinging at Spain being nasty while as a colony not giving an inch.
“No Vestige of a Brain” and the others such as “Dickhead Aussie Raincloud”, “Marcos” and “Wartonhisweenie” remind me of my early childhood of the small children who threatened “my dad is bigger than your dad” and other such nonsense whenever they fell out with their “best friends”, you had to laugh at them.
Dec 09th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But one phrase seems to encapsulate this bunch of desperate no-hopers regarding the argie position especially and now “Spain” which is “Cowardly, Cowardly, Custard”, being yellow and spineless. They are all worth laughing at.
@11
Dec 09th, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In fairness, they don't have that many inches to give.
They just want to be left alone.
I don't understand why you think the British should be able to boss them around. They are a BOT - Queen Victoria is dead and gone.
As for your “scumbag” comment - that it entirely up to whoever wants to judge us. If standing up to right-wing Spanish Nationalists makes us “scumbags” then I can live with that.
@11 I'd love to criticise your points @8. Unfortunately, many of them make no sense.
Dec 09th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who says Gibraltar is part of the UK? I don't think anybody ever has. But it IS British. Because it CHOOSES to be. There must be something Spain doesn't have. But why not ask, for example, why Yemen or Oman isn't part of Saudi Arabia? Why not ask why Hawaii is part of the United States. The answer is the same as that for Gibraltar. Because the people that live there want it that way. And just look, the majority of the people of Puerto Rico want to be a state of the United States. Despite the other “countries” between.
Consider this. Chile is an “associate” member of mercosur. Not a “direct” or “full” member. And the difference between that example and the case of the EU and Gibraltar is.....?
And who did Spain “mug” to get most of Central and South America? So don't bother with that one. And are the “countries” in Central and South America not still “Spanish”? What language do they speak? Why not French or German?
Why doesn't the UK still “own” what is now the Irish Republic? Because the majority of the people that live there don't want it. Why is Northern Ireland still associated with the UK? Because the majority of people that live there want it that way.
It's fairly simple, isn't it? And consider these little snippets. Spain didn't become a nation state until 1812. That's only 200 years. And it whitters about something that happened a hundred years before that? Spain is living in the past when it was semi-important. People like you whitter about Britain and its Empires. And the difference between that and Spain and its “Empire” is what? That Britain peacefully gave most of its Empire back whilst Spain had to have its Empire taken away from it. Much of it by the Spanish people that lived there. And has Spain got anything comparable to the Commonwealth? Any ex-Spanish possessions see Spain as the “mother country”? But many ex-British possessions see Britain that way.
Boycott Spain! They'll be begging to lick our toilets clean
Dec 09th, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14
Dec 09th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have to say your best comment yet.
#14
Dec 09th, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never thought I would say this but I commend you on your post. Reasoned, without invective and straight to the heart of the matter.
A difficult one to refute !
Surely the headline should read:
Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain continues to show its impotence over Gibraltar.
Enough said.
Theres the attitude, nothing wrong with it alone in theory.
Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Problem is it just doesn't fit with the victim card.
(and waxing lyrical about Spains empire in the 1800's doesn't help)
Redrow, of all people, being the only one with an actual relevant point.
“In fairness, they don't have that many inches to give.”
Which Ill leave for another time.
Wow Conqueror
Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can we see more of this please!
@ Conqueror
Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, yeah, what a marvel, the wonderful Commonwealth!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24159594
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24159594
@14 conq
Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice one.
@16, 17.
Dec 09th, 2013 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aww shucks. Should have included some invective. Here's some thoughts. Hundreds of years ago, when opposing forces faced each other behind “shield-walls”, they would hurl insults at each other. They impugned the other side's birth, antecedents, toilet habits, courage. And this is wrong, how..? Back in those days, the Danes and Norse used to indulge in the fun pastime known as the “blood eagle” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_eagle Spaniards used to burn, impale, crucify and garotte. Italians were very into slavery. The largest slave markets in the western world. In the period 1939-45, nazi germans were accused of all sorts of things. When the Allies got in there, they found that things were MUCH worse than they could conceive. But Britain acted AGAINST the slave trade. Then Britain ACTED against slavery. 1939-45, who had to be DRAGGED into action?
There may be isolated unfortunate instances, but who can deny that the British are be best race to inhabit this planet? Anyone want to suggest who was better? The imperial Chinese, the imperial French, the imperial Germans, the imperial Italians, the imperial Japanese, the imperial Portuguese, the imperial Spaniards? And the North Americans?
@21 And what do you matter? So desperate to illustrate Indians killing Indians, Africans killing Africans. Where's your illustration of Italians, Portuguese and Spaniards killing South Americans?
@21
Dec 09th, 2013 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Imagine that. Indians and Kenyans facing up to their past and their problems in a mature and open manner.
How much simpler life would be if only they could just fall back on kneejerk anglophobia and hostility to their smallest neighbour.
Interesting. So the Commonwealth is at fault for all the issues that arise in member countries?
Dec 09th, 2013 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then I suppose it is time Spain took responsiblity for Venezuela's current murder rate. Maybe the drug violence in Mexico too. Argentina's conquest of the desert would have to be Spain's fault too.....
Next idiot..... currently serving the next idiot.....
I see that, yesterday, Margallo admitted that Spain's claim on Gibraltar's territorial waters has any legal basis. While he believes that Spain would win on the isthmus, he said that “he would have to see” on the waters.
Dec 10th, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile to #8:
Gibraltar belongs to those who live there. They have been there longer than the town wasa ever Castilian. As for the Castilian period, I note that Gibraltar was sold in 1474 to Jewish conversos fleeing the Inquisition and the existing population forcibly expelled. Two years later Castile reneged on the deal and expelled the Jews, sending them to face the Inquisition (in fact, the Duke of Medina Sidonia is coming to Gibraltar to apologise to the Jewish community for the actions of his ancestor).
Therefore the population at 1704 was just as 'implanted' as you believe the current one to be. Isn't it?
Three other points re your comment at #11:
- Tax exemptions: it has no VAT. Just as Ceuta, Melilla and the Canaries have no VAT. Nor do they pay the same income tax as mainland Spain; nor inheritance tax and tobacco duty. Do they? So how can you complain about Gibraltar when this discrepancy is enshrined in your own enclaves?
- Gibraltar is self-governing. It is not part of the UK because the UK refused to allow this in the 1970s - in order not to “annoy” Spain. So that is your fault as well, isn't it?
- Tobacco smuggling: you are aware that this is all carried out by Spaniards? And that the Gibraltar police are trying to stop it on the beaches, where most happens; while your Guardia stand at the border crossing and watch from afar, doing nothing except slowing the traffic down to 14 cars per hour? That 6 Guardia have been arrested for smuggling recently?
And that there have been demonstrations in southern France against the massive smuggling of tobacco, which is putting local shopkeepers out of business? Smuggling from.... Spain.
It cuts both ways.
@ sceptic64
Dec 10th, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow. Thanks for that.
I didn't think that I could read so many examples of hypocrisy in one post.
#21
Dec 10th, 2013 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for that post. It just confirms that they were better off under British rule.
Vestige - just what do you propose to do? To renegotiate the Treaty of Utrecht? Are you aware that by way of this treaty the Spanish monarch at the time ceded the Rock to Britain in perpetuity?
Dec 10th, 2013 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@14, @26,
Dec 10th, 2013 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK fled from India knowing very well the terrible massacres which would ensue. The UK forced the unification of Muslims and Chritians in Nigeria and it is partly responsible of those killings. In the 1950s the UK created in Kenya a terrible Gulag, as well as the Black and Tans in Ireland.
@26
That fable about Castille could be answered remembering that the Great Britain which signed Utrecht does not exist since the creation of the United Kingdom by the Acts of Union, 1801.
As for the alleged “self-government” of Gibraltar, please read the sections in its Constitution which vest on the Governor, a Lieutenat General of the Royal Marines, exclusive powers not only in defence and foreign affairs, but also in internal security, the designation of the Police Commissioner, judges and his special legislative powers which confer him the ability of passing bills against the wishes of the local parliament.
No Gordo I was entirely unaware of that. Thank you for the up to the minute news. God bless you and your new fangled wireless radiogram machine.
Dec 10th, 2013 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ho-hum,
Dec 10th, 2013 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar still British?.................................yep.
Falklands still British?................................yep.
Not having much luck, you trolls, are you?......................nope.
Get back in the queue madam.
Dec 10th, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 So the British “fled” from India, did they? That no doubt explains why the Indian Rebellion of 1857 was followed so hastily by independence in 1947. Probably explains why India also took part in both world wars. Strange how Indian independence was decided by the British government. On purely political grounds. But if it makes you feel better about the millions you murdered when seizing independence by armed force.
Dec 10th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and that “fable” about Castile. It's called “history”. Something that argieland alters every couple of weeks.
Regarding the self-government of Gibraltar, you might want to read the sections of the UN Charter regarding “trust” territories. It is not unusual for the “trustee” to retain responsibility for defence and foreign affairs. This is so that aggressive, belligerent, bullying 17th century “neighbours” can't interfere with the “trust” territory. You might also want to note that other “countries” are enjoined by the Charter to treat the “trust” territories in the same way as they treat their own metropolitan areas. In which case, heaven help the populations of Buenos Aires and Madrid. No wonder I didn't go anywhere near Madrid the last time I was in Spain. The road blocks etc to stop people getting in and out must be horrendous. Of course, the argie navy doesn't “encroach” on Buenos Aires. It doesn't have anything that floats! Mind you, recalling what the Royal Navy did to the French fleet in 1940, Spain might find itself in a similar situation. Regarding your other reference to Gibraltar's Constitution, you might note that, as “trustee”, Britain is responsible for Gibraltar's “good governance” and guiding it to full democratic nationhood. Hard to do if the locals want to reimpose Spanish practices such as slavery, garrotting, burning at the stake, concentration camps, the Inquisition and so forth. Incidentally, why won't Spain allow the autonomous community of Catalonia to have a vote on independence? Gibraltar votes. Scotland votes!
@34
Dec 10th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar has nothing to do with the territories under trusteeship (arts. 75-85 of the UN Charter). It is a Non Self Governing Territory (arts. 73-4), and it appears in the list of NSGT.The UK, through the Governor, a high-ranking soldier, has very extensive exclusive powers, not only in foreign affairs an defence, as I have explained in my previous post, but also in his ability to pass bills against the wishes of the local parliament, internal security and the designation of the Police Commissioner, judges, etc.
The Castile fable is part of the British propaganda, not “history”. According to your theory, Dover, for instance is not a part of the UK, because it was a part of the now defunct Kingdom of England.
As for India, remember the massacre of Amritsar in 1917 or how thousands if Indian soldiers fought along the Japanese Army against Britain in Burma during the Second World War.
Apprantly th spainish are also afraid of the ghost of sir francis drake.
Dec 10th, 2013 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I always find it funny, that had Spain and Argentina had any diplomats in the 60's with half a brain, they would of followed China and had the NSGT's delisted. We all know the only outcome to decolonization is in the hands of the people who live there. And not the imperialist Hispanics :)
Dec 10th, 2013 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#36
Dec 10th, 2013 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British Indian Army during World War II was the largest volunteer army the world has known. Note the word VOLUNTEER.
thousands if Indian soldiers fought along the Japanese Army against Britain in Burma during the Second World War.
I believe the figure was approx.40,000
The personnel total for the Indian Armed Forces was over 2 million.
Which means that approx,2% of the armed forces fought against the allied side. The corollary of this is that 98% fought for the allies !!!
I had colleagues who fought side- by- side with Indian regiments in North Africa, Kohima and Imphal and Italy.. They had nothing but praise for them. There must be something we did right to have such loyalty from them .
The battle honours for the Indian Army are----
East African campaign
North African campaign
Operation Compass
Operation Battleaxe
Operation Crusader
First Battle of El Alamein
Second Battle of El Alamein
Anglo-Iraqi War
Syria-Lebanon campaign
Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran
Italian campaign
Battle of Monte Cassino
Battle of Hong Kong
Battle of Malaya
Battle of Singapore
Burma Campaign
Battle of Kohima
Battle of Imphal
Could the Spanish subjugated colonies say the same ?
@35
Dec 10th, 2013 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what exactly has the Amritsar massacre got to do with the price of fish? Or Gibraltar for that matter?
The Málaga-Almería road massacre, for example, was much more recent, happened much closer, and had loads more victims. But I guess it doesn't count if there were no Brits involved?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A1laga-Almer%C3%ADa_road_massacre
@36
Dec 10th, 2013 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The importance of the role of the leaders of the India National Army, which fought against Britain alongside with the Imperial Japanese Army was such that when of them were captured and judged as traitors by the British, it sparked a widespread mutiny in the Indian Navy.
78 ships and 20,000 sailors took part in that revolt, from Bombay to Karachi and Calcutta on February, 1946.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombay_mutiny
@40
Dec 10th, 2013 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to your own link, the mutiny was sparked by food and general conditions. Also
“The mutineers in the armed forces got no support from the national leaders and was largely leaderless. Mahatma Gandhi, in fact, condemned the riots and the ratings' revolt ...... the Muslim League issued similar attacks on the mutiny which argued that the unrest of the sailors was not best expressed on the streets, however serious the grievance may be.”
Strangely enough, nobody seems to have had anything to say about Gibraltar.
@8 Vestige
Dec 10th, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar is not a colony. It’s a BOT which has a modern relationship with Britain and the EU, both of which it is part of.
The only dysfunction here is in the Spanish psyche, no change there then.
In Europe, wistful historical arguments of who mugged who of what, are not really listened to. Too many wars could start overnight.
It is the rights of the people today that counts, and the people of Gibraltar irrefutably have the right to decide not to be Spanish.
As does Catalunya.
The Spanish are the ones way out of step, in Europe.
@14 Conqueror
Good shot Conq!!!
@21 olisipo
Indeed, a marvel without equal, certainly in the Spanish speaking world.
And how many disparate ethnic groups were forced together or separated by the Spanish drawing lines on a map of South America.
How many were then assimilated or wiped out by the Creole republics re-drawing the lines, and colouring in the blank bits.
Not to mention the forced unification of Spain under Christian rule, then Castilian rule, or the expulsion of the Jews from Spain.
What you are trying to do, is justify with history, repeating the mistakes of history.
You have learned nothing.
Boycott spanish tourism! it will hurt them much more than the UK.
Dec 10th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41
Dec 10th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You and your selective reading. ”BRITISH units were near mutiny (...) The weekly intelligence summary issued on 25 March 1946 admitted that the Indian army, navy and air force units were no longer trustworthy (...) The situation has been thus deemed to the 'Point of no return'
Many historians agree that these revolts precipitated the end of the Raj.
The relationship of those events with Gibraltar? A poster who bragged a lot about the importance of the Commonwealth and how the independence of its member countries had been achieved without violence, by a genteel decision of the UK.
@44
Dec 10th, 2013 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're missing the point again. Your original claim was that this mutiny was precipitated by the capture and trial of the leaders of the Indian National Army. This is clearly refuted by the link you put forward in support of your contention, and notably by the reaction of the independence leaders of both India and Pakistan.
But do keep it up. Your claim to the moral high ground is as hollow and unfounded as your claim to the Rock. The Spanish was by a long way the most genocidal and rapacious of all the European colonial empires, and if it was the shortest lived, that's only because it was you who made the truly astonishing discovery that it's possible to steal so much you impoverish yourself.
But do keep it up. Perhaps one day you'll learn to appreciate the irony that it's your own hatred which ensures you will never get what you want.
Sorry boys ya just canny argue with the Spanish,
Dec 10th, 2013 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You see they invented history, and what they say - goes,
In fact according to the Spanish or Argentina supporters on here,
Its either Spanish or Argentinian land or it disputed between them both,
Now we brits must learn this new variety of noble history,
If the Spanish say its theirs, then by Jove , its theirs,
So we either live with their version or just let them twaddle on abt it,
Mind you in a way, I don’t put all the blame on the Spanish,
I think the unmighty EU and the British government are just as guilty in a sense,
The EU just lets them do what they want, when they want, how they want, and to whom they want, and breaking most of the rules ,and agreements alone the way,
And the EU just turns a blind eye,
Perhaps it’s true, that they wish we would just get so fed up with anti British Europe, we will just sod of and leave mighty Spain in charge,
As for Cameron, well, he talks, his government talks , but sadly, as some newspapers have commented, the government has been [ got at] and being pro European poodles, they will do everything not to upset our new masters….
Remember we have two opinions here,
The Spanish who say Gibraltar is a danger to Spain, that means Britain,
But the British Cameron on the other hand, has stated we have no enemies, and you are all our friends,
So to end this we say, we reduce our military at our peril,
Just my opinion,
Just my opinion mmmm
You are sooooo boring. 1) The Indian Navy mutiny was sparked by the trial of the leaders of the INA. 2) I had never said that the riot was supported by Ghandi or by other civilian Indian leaders. 3) Attlee acknowledeged that one of the reasons for the precipitation in the withdrawal of the Raj was the distrust that those mutinies raised about the Indian soldiers. Read the memoirs of Lord Mountbatten.
Dec 10th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for your moral admonishment about the behaviour of Spain, coming from an alleged Briton, let me receive it with some irony.
@47
Dec 10th, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me just suggest you read links in their entirety before you post them, that way you'll be at lesser risk of undermining your own argument.
I might also add that I'm a great fan of Sancho Panza, but the poor guy sure has his work cut out for him. What a shame he can't be everywhere at once.
#47
Dec 10th, 2013 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are soooooooooooooo much a sanctimonious prat that you think this has anything to do with Gibraltar. By the way, your mutiny happened AFTER the war was over. The Indian Navy and Army could have easily mutinied when the war was on ...BUT THEY DID NOT. Why ? That could have been disastrous for the UK.
The Ghurkas were and still are queueing up to join the British Army !
You are putting yourself up as a leading authority on all things relating to the UK's colonial history. Enlighten us from a Spanish/Portuguese/Brazilian viewpoint...as your country (s) have been free from any colonial excesses and whose conscience is pure and blameless.
PS Why is Briton “alleged” I had to look up olisipo....it came out as a fish sauce. Seems about right.
@35 olisipo,
Dec 10th, 2013 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Amritsar was 1919, not 1917.
Have you even read anything about it at all?
You should.
you guys are right, this has nothing to do with Gibraltar,
Dec 11th, 2013 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0its just a wishy washy to change the subject,
the facts are, in 21st century earth, there is no place for spains actions or Argentina's, we all know it is nothing more than a government excuse to cover up there own corruption and failure , they are in a bloody mess and are using Gibraltar and the Falkland's as an excuse,
a bloody disgrace,
their is no justification whatsoever for Spain to act like a Franco dictatorship and a spoilt child,
just my opinion.
*51 What you mean is that in the 21st century THERE SHOULD NOT EXIST A BRITISH COLONY ON another member state of the EU and NATO member!!
Dec 11th, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THIS IS THE REAL BLOODY DISGRACE!! AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A CIVILIZED COUNTRY..CIVILIZED MY ARSE!!!
GOOD ON YOU SPAIN!! FIGHT FOR WHAT IS YOURS!!
@52 Squatter Bloke
Dec 11th, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shouldn’t you be out oppressing local PINDANJARARARA’s, or something?
@ 52 Dickhead aussie raincloud
Dec 11th, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a laugh a minute.
You haven't got an arse. That's what you talk out of, which in polite society is known as your GOB or in your case you are a gob-shite.
No need to thank me for setting you straight.
@52
Dec 11th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A British colony on the territory of another EU and NATO member? Gosh. Where could that be? All I'm aware of is an EU and NATO country which claims the right to seize and absorb the legal territory of another member, disregarding the fundamental human rights and clearly expressed wishes of its inhabitants, apparently on the grounds that it now thinks it made a bad deal 300 years ago.
It's no surprise, of course, that the country in question is one of a number of recent dictatorships, admitted to the EU partly in order to support their path to democracy.
Evidently, some are further along that path than others.
[52]
Dec 11th, 2013 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your reply tells us all what we need to know,
you know the truth hurts, so you change the subject , and try to intimidate or brow beat us,
sadly it just don't work,
try again.
Re Olisipo #35
Dec 11th, 2013 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At 2.5 million men, the Indian Army in World War II became the largest all-volunteer force in history. They fought against the Axis armies (Germany, Japan, Italy, etc.).
The 40,000 men Indian National Army (INA) was raised by the Japanese *from Indian Prisoners of War*.
[The Nazis also raised the Tiger Legion (2,000 men) from Indian PoWs captured by Germany.]
At the end of the war, my father had a senior military role - adjutant general? - managing the Allied Indian Army in Burma.
I remember his conversations describing the dilemmas for Indian soldiers captured in Malaya etc. He used Eddie Izzard's description “Cake or Death?” ... which explained the 40,000!
Pugol-H
Dec 11th, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aussie Sunshine is about as Australian as Franco was a democrat. He's Spanish.
Poor poor Aussie Sunshine. Looks like the frustration is getting to you. How very Spanish. Start shouting and ranting. Oh while you're at it, can you tell me which EU country has a colony in the territory if another EU country.
Even Spain recognises that Gibraltar is not Spanish territory.
Oh and in Australia we spell it CIVILISED!
@58 Anglotino,
Dec 11th, 2013 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite true.
l've proved to my satisfaction long ago that aussie sunshine is definitely not an Aussie.
lnitially l thought that he was an Argentine malvinista troll, but l now agree with you that he is Spanish.
I don't doubt that he has lived here. But that doesn't make him an Aussie. Indeed his English skills at times show how English is his second language.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0But it would be a boring forum indeed if the otherside was represented by idiots.
can anybody explain to me how the Indian Mutiny has anything whatsoever to do with Spain wanting to re-seize Gibraltar?
Dec 12th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm really struggling to find any comparison or link whatsoever...
kinda sounds to me like somebody's Wiki-Fu got a bit carried away...
@61 Anbar,
Dec 12th, 2013 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0malvinistas just trying to portray the British in a bad light.
Anything will do.
And malvinista logic,
lf the 6.55 is late at Clapham Junction, that proves that South Georgia belongs to them.!
They really are this planet's Dkhds.
But its fun to listen to their drivel & even funnier to stir them up.
@ 58 Anglotino
Dec 12th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I realise that, which is why I don’t usually refer to him as “aussie”, sunshine or anything else.
The “wind up” is directed at him not you.
However if it offends your sensibilities less, I will refer to him as Ocupas.
*60 ” I don´t doubt that he has lived here,but that doesn´t make him an aussie!!
Dec 12th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HAHAHA!! what a fart face!! what does it make him?? A martian!!?? HAHAHAHA...You are a silly one!! aren´t you??
Pugol H
Dec 12th, 2013 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No you can refer to him as whatever you like however plenty of people argue with him by highlighting issues or problems in Australia instead of Spain which is his native home.
I mean look at the above post… this is the face of Spain. His keyboard can't even do a proper apostrophe.
Anyway he is good value. Every forum needs a village idiot and he considering he is probably unemployed in Spain, he is therefore filling his time productively.
*65 You are the only idiot on this forum and a BLOODY RACIST BASTARD!!
Dec 13th, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what do you think that to be an Australian you have to be white like your STUPID NICK SAYS!! wake up arsehole!!
@65 Anglotino
Dec 13th, 2013 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, El Ocupas is way too good to be just a village Idiot, we are talking big town at least, or even a city’s prize Idiot.
@66 El Ocupas
As you are clearly not from “down under”, could you tell us how it was you became a boei dragger.
*67 and how was it that you became a maggot!!
Dec 13th, 2013 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 68 Dickhead aussie raincloud
Dec 13th, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The question I would like the answer to is not how someone who is obviously human became (to use your words) a maggot, but how did you become a faggot?
Ha, ha, ha.
*69 Shit!! another maggot coming out of the wood work...Hahahaha
Dec 13th, 2013 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This forum should be disinfected!!
Aussie sunshine…. calm down sunshine…
Dec 14th, 2013 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You are the only idiot on this forum”
Really? So there is only one and it is me! Well lucky for everyone else that takes the piss out of you I suppose.
“a BLOODY RACIST BASTARD!!”
An accusation TOTALLY without basis. PROVE it little man!
“what do you think that to be an Australian you have to be white like your STUPID NICK SAYS!!”
Really? My nick here is a portmanteau of anglo and latino. Which part of it says white?
At least I am proud of my country and don't continually have to lie about it. You have had more than one opportunity to prove you live in Australia and you keep running away from it. Your mistakes both in grammar and spelling… not to mention punctuation…. shows that English is not your first language and that you don't even type on an US standard keyboard.
Interesting though that anglos only come in white…. so anglo is a race? Not a culture? What ever shall I do with my Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Danish and Spanish genes now?
“wake up arsehole!!”
Well at least you spelt arsehole right!
Oh and how does disinfectant treat a maggot infestation? Your english is so quaint.
@70 “something”sunshine(but definitely NOT Aussie),
Dec 14th, 2013 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whats the name of that hot Melbourne wind, old mate?
You say you come from Melbourne, then you must know.
Do you want me to tell you?
lts obvious that you don't know. lol!
Señor Think found it with his computer.
Can't you?
@70
Dec 14th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are really Australian you would know who the chairman of the Australian cheese board (in perpetuity) is.
Also why does this person find it uncomfortable when sitting at a meeting of the cheese board?
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