Time magazine named Pope Francis as its Person of the Year on Wednesday, crediting him with shifting the message of the Catholic Church while capturing the “imaginations of millions” who had become disillusioned with the Vatican. Read full article
I'm not catholic but he seems to be pushing the church in the right direction. Much better him than Snowden. Not sure why a traitor that sold his soul to the Chinese and Russians would be Man of the Year.
A few more mea culpas from Cristina and she can bask in his glow.
All of those contenders are still talked about, good or bad, praised or disgust. Snowden went on Assange's trail.
The Pope has been impressive to say the least for a Catholic. He's not sweeping dirt under the carpets and trying to bring that organization forward.
Rufus you need to understand what makes a person of the year and obviously you do not. It's not a Pulitzer or an Oscar.
Pope Francis is assembling a panel of experts to advise him about protecting children from sexually abusive priests and about helping victims who have already been harmed. This is by far a quantum leap forward from any Pope thus far.
#6 Again tobi you are sadly pathetic with all your persona's. Obviously you are one that is too embarrassed to settle for being the Argentine that you are. Your country is starting to slide faster toward it's current economic implosion. Do something other than changing your name here.
I was born & raised a Catholic in a Catholic country. As far as I'm concerned the people in Lewes in East Sussex have the right idea!!!
The world would be far better off without this 'pie in the sky when you die' nonsense.
I'd describe Francis as the best of a bad lot. He runs an bigoted, illiberal and demented organisation that believes in fairy stories but he's probably the best the world could have hoped for.
All this in spite of CFK's crass, shameful and wholly transparent attempt to hijack his moment of glory, draw the attention to her and throw in a desperate Malvinas plea.
Correspondents will recall the magnitude of this very costly (the whole team went) presidential failure (although they could be forgiven for mislaying it amongst the many other failures), and how it was countered by a phone call from a junior UK diplomat:
Diplomat: Hi, does the Pope/Vatican get involved in sovereignty disputes?
Vatican Spokesman: No.
Diplomat: Thanks.
Vatican Spokesman: You are welcome.
“Click”
Cost on a landline £0.50p (could be higher if a mobile was used).
I like Pope Francis despite his substantial ego ( he's very proud of his humility ). He seems to have a lot of energy and is used to getting things done and there is no doubting his charisma particularly compared to his predecessor. If anyone can effect positive change in this remarkably conservative institution he can.
Ah well, don't forget Time is an American publication and must keep in with the people: so send a donation NOW, in Jesus's name; oh hang on, better make that two, the personal jet needs a “service” as well only this one you can see for yourself.
#18
Ego = 'negative-humility'.
He can't have it both ways .. Hmm, maybe he can.
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Snowden could have been in the frame for Time's Person-of-the Yr.
Mandela made it through nearly-the-Year.
Both have a stronger case, for entirely different reasons.
If they'd picked Assad it would have been more comical - and also remind us that the award is not for virtue but “for better or for worse, ...has done the most to influence the events of the year.”
Indeed, it is a step in the right direction, and I do (probably against my better judgement) like this particular pope (at least he didn't (at the risk of Godwinning myself) compare atheism to nazism, like the last one), but for all his good intentions and the starts of the actions that he has made, I'm more concerned with the actual results.
To be honest, I'd like him and his panel to be effective in protecting children, but if he's fighting the entire inertia of the Catholic Church I can't help but feel that they'll be as much use as fairy wings on a cement truck.
Representative of imaginary beardy guy that lives on a cloud is voted “person of the year”. Also, head of world's largest and richest thieving organisation is voted “person of the year”. How about an audit?
The only prejudices on here are from “believers” against others, who are, like me, ambivalent to what they “believe”, as long as they don’t wage war against other people who do not believe their flavour of delusion.
ALL religions in the Northern Hemisphere have done this at some time in the past and the ragheads are doing it now.
Of course....you always enlighten everyone, especially in Uruguay. The Uruguayans should be thankful you had to move and I am sure the are pleased you cannot return.
BTW.....to plagiarize your label, you too are a believer, only the opposite end.
As I always say to both, the lost and found......prove to me the other is wrong.....and you have my vote.
Question; being my simply brain is nowhere near the mass of yours so you can undubiously answer this one:
The big bang created everything, what created the big bang....gasses? Where did the gasses come from?
God was and always will be is the mantra of religion.
nothing existed before him and nothing exists after him
The Big Bang Theory is sciences mantra.
nothing existed before the Big Bang
And trust me, there is no one quite like like.
conq......your hatred of RG's is inspirational for those filled with the energy to hate. Even men who have seen years of combat don't hate to the level you do. It's obvious you've never been to Argentina, much less SA or the that matter, probably off of your island. You always shake your balls talking military this and bombing that, like the mistral winds. But it's obvious you are a military fan and not one who served. Why so much energy in hating, did you lose a child in the war? I can understand that. It's an honest and straight question.
Poppy
You are right. There's no way to explain the big bang, nor many other things. But to explain it with some really delusional story from a book written some millenium ago makes more sense, you mean?
If that's the case, keep your vote, I'd say...
The difference is, we may not be able to explain a lot of things, but one thing we CAN explain, and that is where “God” came from...
“But to explain it with some really delusional story from a book written some millenium ago makes more sense, you mean?”
Did I say that? Have you read the words i actually typed? I think not. I believe in science, but I do not ridicule those of faith because I am not convinced there is not God. While I am not a man of absolute faith, I am not an atheist either. Condemn me to your communist prison for not denouncing God. Not all people of faith are radicals.
I've seen the work of those stupid and silly people of faith, Mother Theresa, MLKjr, Dali Lama.....all simple minded people. And in science's defense, all the good they have created I think of Oppenheimer and his crew. We owe him and his staff an unaccountable amount of gratitude for the atomic bomb. I mean what wound our lives be without it? It's like a microwave........we just cannot image life without the bomb. A great contribution no doubt.
Hell if you read about Einstein he absolutely renounced atheism. He recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. In fact he looked forward to death to find out how the universe was created......explain that?
Well, you certainly showed me your Christian side there!
What happened, did you lose your beliefs?
BTW I used to believe, because my parents told me about “the truth of God” and I was conformed and the High Server at our CoE High Church (figure that one) until I started learning about science and then I woke up. They had not lied to me, they had been lied to by the whole disgusting panoply of the church.
How do you explain the fact that your God who loves you would have you suffer the wrath of God and all the other illogical things that come with a compendium of fairy tales written mainly by warring tribes of the desert some 4,000 years ago? I bet nobody in your church has ever admitted that to you, have they.
But anyway, back to Einstein. Einstein was undoubtedly a clever man but like a lot of us had serious personal flaws. Being frightened of having no after life was only one of many. But that is understandable given the personal pressures he was under.
As regards the big bang, I have no proof of what came before only Einstein’s view that the universe would yo-yo back and forth between bang, expansion and contraction to a singularity and the bang again has been proven to be wrong. BUT, I know one thing for sure: it won’t be a kiddie fiddler in a dress that comes up with the answer, it will be a scientist.
Your walking and talking in circles......as usual and making insignificant statements. Why is it all you exiled people talk shit? That last statement is straight of of your ass. I'm pleased that Europe has you.
Keep hating people of faith chica.....it will will come back to you one day.......perhaps it has and that is why you cannot be in your homeland.....even to visit.
* 'God' with right on his side / the 'devil' with evil intent ... without doubt, a human construct.
* Humans with sentience; a need to ascribe reason and logic beyond the self ... otherwise “Is that all there is?” becomes the sad song that overlays all existence. Human find this too scary - hence the construct of worlds beyond death.
CS Lewis: 'Mere Christianity' = the Christianity of my youth.
It wasn't just Christianity that I left, it was the God-concept itself.
Poppy’s vitriol is getting beyond himself when he thinks I hate people of religion that is simply not true. I DO detest the Yank mentality that paying money in response to some crook on the TV somehow makes you better than anyone else on the planet.
Anyway, IF he is right I will not be bothering him in the “afterlife” and if I am correct neither will he.
@34 as an agnostic,please tell me Chris , who or what, after the chaos of the Big Bang, organised the laws the laws of physics which you as an engineer take for granted? Or was it just a coincidence?
the present laws can't explain why or what happened in that climactic event.
Perhaps if you have time you should go out of your back door and look at the splendour of the Milky Way
It certainly makes my problems fade into insignificance
How great Thou Art
Who Thou is I certainly don't know
Chrissy I would say I detest a brits mentally, but I don't in general as detest Brits as you broad tar brush yanks and besides.....you are a Uruguayan, supposedly a brit afar.....kicked out of your homeland. What was the criminal action that exiled you to Uruguay? Who goes to a 3rd world country to retire? lol Still telling they story of a lame ass medical move? Yes........the world knows the quality of medicine there versus the UK.
Your posts go back over a year calling people of faith ......what was the most recent:
“kiddie fiddler in a dress”
Certainly defines your acceptance of the religious.
“Well, you certainly showed me your Christian side there!”
BTW......where have I posted that I am a Christian?
Your parents failed you and you take it on the people of faith. A shame they were so religious that they did not believe in birth control.
“What happened, did you lose your beliefs?”
Where have I posted one position or the other? You should stick to pretending to be a brit and a man of science. At least we all get a chuckle here and there between your posts. You'd be surprised how much you and stevie have in common.
In my sparetime I will mine Mercos for your vial posts of hatred toward the religious minded.........I mean, in your words....the “Kiddie fiddlers in a dress”. Very accepting of you with those words. however.....I don;t have the free time that you SA's have.
Exiled, pretending....whatever.......you certainly deserve Uruguay. And if there is an afterlife.....we'll both be in hell......only I made my pact with the devil long ago.
I guarantee you that I will not be maggot food. If you can only prove to me there is no hell you'll impress the hell out of me.....lol. No pun intended.
Stevie, I ask a similar question to the faithful, only prove to me it exists and I will beg forgiveness for breaking every commandment.
Stevie, save your time figuring because you are not going back to your homeland. Didn't dear old dad fuck you out of that trip?
It's the intelligent mind that asks questions and the most common to humanity is' where did man come from”. Only it does not prompt your natural curiosity. As a communist you do not care of such natural aspects of being human. It tells a lot about you.
“Stevie, I ask a similar question to the faithful, only prove to me it exists and I will beg forgiveness for breaking every commandment.”
So Pops has broken every commandment...all 613 of them...
...confessing to being a murderer...stealing..adultery and coveting his neighbours wife...?
I don't even want to think of....Lev 18:9 or Lev 18:23...
Although for Yankee rednecks...probably the norm...
the primary 10. You love turning an inch into a yard. Forgive me for not clarifing myself to the anointed one........now I never said murder......but 18 bravo for an MOS and you think I am bloodless?
“I DO detest the Yank mentality that paying money in response to some crook on the TV somehow makes you better than anyone else on the planet.”
Let’s at least have the full statement so that other people can wonder at your ridiculous response.
I have no idea where you have got this foolish idea that I was “kicked out” of the UK and “cannot go back”, but if it helps you assuage the rage you have over me stating the truth about ‘kiddie fiddlers in a dress’ then knock yourself out.
You see, it is easy for me to tackle anything you think I have “said” because I don’t lie and have never had a criminal record. Why is it that you have brought that facile comment up: personal experience perhaps? I don’t know, I am just treating you the way you treat me. You don’t like it do you? No, neither do I.
But I will educate you over one thing: “the world knows the quality of medicine there (Uruguay) versus the UK.” Well, clearly you do not. Yes, we have to pay for health insurance instead of through taxes in the UK, but it’s considerably cheaper and VERY MUCH BETTER! My wife has a serious problem which is ongoing and the treatment has been superlative: NO waiting lists, no being pushed from one department to the next, no having to get the drugs from the other side of the town and VERY GOOD personal care. Most of the doctors have an American medical degree, but I won’t hold that against them. Ha, ha, ha.
Anyway I am done with playing your stupid fairytale games so adios!
You're cute on your worst days Chrissy....still playing the spouse's health card....lol.
If that's rage......you've never seen rage.
You never did answer my questions to your assumptious insipid response to my posting I do not hate religious people.....aka...“kiddie fiddlers in a dress”.
I take comfort in knowing you are much older than I and death is not far off. Sucks knowing you will know before me.
All you Uruguayans must dream of being in Britain....can't say I blame you either.
If you are truly done, you and your fictitious spouse should go back under your SA rock you were bred under.....perhaps stick there just a wee bit longer.
Poppy , the health care here is excellent and a lot of your countrymen come here to fix their probs of health and dental for half the price and excellent results as it's worth their while.
While some of the public free care hospitals leave a lot to be desired, some of the better ones are in the forefront of medicine
Chapter and verse provided if it interests you
Unlike some that post here I can say that ...I do not know. I do know that a lot of Americans travel for healthcare. You can find the best and worst doctors in the world in the USA, depending on what you want to pay. Sad that the powers that be here have the populace convinced that the government should pay for roads, primary education, military, wars for oil.....but not to keep the people healthy. My trips to Argentina has not taken me to Uruguay.....perhaps this year.
As you can see, he is not interested in facts only berating other people.
Why he gets upset at the term “Yank” is beyond me: it's like me being upset about “Brit”.
The other laugh about “Poppy” is he seems to be unaware of the number of Yanks coming here having given up their citizenship. Must hurt having to voluntarily pay Obuma 50% of your total wealth just to escape the tax burden, poor things.
Before we decided to come here we had luch with Total Uruguay in Pocitos (every Sunday) and the majority where these people. They did nothing but moan about the States but said they were enjoying life in Uruguay. Unlike me, they did not pay any tax to their country of origin.
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Simply put...I do not believe you...
...“unaware of the number of Yanks coming here having given up their citizenship.”
.....“Unlike me, they did not pay any tax to their country of origin.”
For starters why would they pay taxes to origin if they had given up their citizenship?
Second ....Yanks living abroad do not have to give up their citizenship...
I know a lot of Yanks living abroad permanently and not one of them as given up their citizenship and certainly not in a third world country....
All Yanks are legally required even when living permanently abroad to fill in a tax return yearly to the US and can have their nationality revoked if they do not, though it seldom happens...
You appear to know very little about Yanks...I think you make stuff up...
....stick to what you do know about...
As for you Pops why do you always assume the rest of the world even knows or cares what an “18 Bravo for a MOS”...means...
Get your parochial head out of the USA centre of the world complex and start thinking out of the box.....
One thing I do know about Special forces current and EX...is they never ever tell anyone....lots of them are part time and can still be called up for duty or instruction purposes and they are still considered targets....hence the secrecy...
Why is it that on every forum Yanks are always....a business tycoon or Specialised in some way...yet over there I just see ordinary folk...
I'm thinking they tell porkies....
Art... my neighbour has a gammy leg...he told me he got it in Nam..I know for a fact it was a work related accident and he was never in Nam....but I humour him...
...“I'm just out taking my gun for a ride”.....Ya gotta love him!...;-))))
You did not read my post or you did not understand it, so, in simple words here it is:
1) Yanks who are fed up of paying worldwide tax to the States can opt to leave the country, and their citizenship, AND paying tax to the States from anywhere and forever, BUT it costs them 50% of ALL their current wealth and that’s it. From the US Tax Office figures, via the BBC here are some simple statements that even you should be able to grasp. Note the SIX times the previous year surge in cases of relinquishing the US Passport!
2) The Yanks you know who are paying tax to the States DON’T have to give up anything: why should they? And it doesn’t matter where they live AS LONG AS THEY KEEP PAYING THE TAXES.
3) Now, let us tackle the mind-boggling (to you anyway) statement about our lunch in a restaurant in Pocitos, MVD back in 2010. My wife and I were sitting with about 22 Americans, all who were living in Uruguay and enjoying it. Some had already given up the US Passports. Some were in the process of getting the Uruguayan cedula which allows them permanent residency in the country, this takes three years.
The meal was great but the company was marred by the ones who were still having to pay taxes to the States and moaning like hell about it. BUT and here is where you became confused: the no US Passport Yanks were also complaining about the tax and the stupid sods didn’t have to pay any.
Now I think you are a Brit. Bet you don't pay tax on all your worldwide income, do you?
“One thing I do know about Special forces current and EX...is they never ever tell anyone....lots of them are part time and can still be called up for duty or instruction purposes and they are still considered targets....hence the secrecy...”
What you do know is nothing about SF......SF are not in the NCS, though they may work aside them. It's not a secret to tell people you are Airborne, Ranger or SF.....the ones NO ONE knows of....even beyond SEALS, are Delta. SO don;t tell me anything about SJ....which is now a combined branch...JSOC. The only real secret is deployments. I'd be more than happy to show you my DD214 in PA, where you OWN property. You are relatively a smart individual voice, but contrary to your believe, you do not know most everything.
Don't confuse Army SF with Delta and Seals.
PS....There are quite a few Americans who choose to move abroad when they retire. I will be one as well.
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That was it..that was your source...you do not understand it at all.
This is for Yanks having over 50,000 dollars in a foreign banks...
BTW If it's below 50,000 the foreign banks don't have to inform the US....answer different bank accounts with 49,000 in...
Where do you get 50% of all their current wealth from?
This is to target Yanks with foreign investments and tax evading not for Yanks living abroad the whole article was crap, Yanks living abroad earning a normal wage are not liable to pay US tax...if they have investments that create revenue over a certain limit they will be liable for tax on the profit above the limit....as if they were living in the US with a foreign investment.
That silly cow was obviously unable to fill in a simple tax return...paying others to do it. Also the remark....I won't be able to own property in the US ever again...if she becomes a foreign national.....Bullshit, I own property in the US and I'm not a Yank....the woman's an idiot.
Sensationalism....1000 out of 6 million Yanks living abroad giving up their citizenship and it states quite clearly there was no indiction on the reasons....just assuming it was for tax reasons....
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Well that told me Pops....you were right I was confusing SF with Delta and Seals....
When I'm in PA I will definitely take you up on your offer...I'm not shy about meeting real people as you may have followed on other threads....
...but no guns....mainly because I don't have any...;-)
Though it looks like a 6 hour drive for me...still I'd like to have a nosey at Boston then a company I want to visit in Vermont....
PS...So where do you fancy abroad...Europe?
Guns.......no FID card nor a license to carry. I have no need for them, they are long behind me.
Italy tickles my fancy. My actual preference it Egypt but I wager I will not see it.
Boston's classy and crude around the edges. But it's the sports mecca of the USA.
@ 35 redp0ll
“who or what, after the chaos of the Big Bang, organised the laws the laws of physics which you as an engineer take for granted?”
Carl Sagan does a marvellous job of explaining the things that happened as the singularity “opened” (in nothingness). Perhaps (we don’t know for sure as yet but we are nearly there) after a split of a split second there was a multi-billion degree (absolute) soup of neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons (positrons), photons, and neutrinos comingling for another split second before they were blasted at huge velocities outward in all directions. We have to be a little careful here as the energies involved to cause this inflation would seem to comprise of something we have yet to know.
There was no blinding flash of light at that point.
It was at this time that the basic laws of physics were established. It had to be VERY early on (less than a second) in order for the law of entropy to arise and everything to start cooling thus allowing the neutrons to start the process of decaying into protons and electrons or, very importantly combining with the protons themselves to make deuterium. This is VERY important because deuterium is an isotope of hydrogen, the fuel of stars and the driver of all life. To answer your question as to whom or what formed the laws is very simple: the particles and what comprises them did. The nuclear elements within hold the answer and this is what the Hadron Collider is investigating among other things.
“the present laws can't explain why or what happened in that climactic event” (I take it you mean the singularity itself at the point of appearing).
No, it cannot and why should they be capable of doing so? Normal matter had coalesced by the time the thing had been opened for a split of a split second.
You must realise that the “laws of physics” are configured to comply with the observable worldly results and not the other way around!
Brasil is more generous - you only need US$24000 pa to qualify financially as a Permanent Resident - and you can keep your prior nationality, pay your takes to the 'home country' and just top-up any difference via the Brasilian tax system.
My (scrupulously and honestly completed) on-line tax calculation always works out as a residual R$0, because my allowances in Brasil - m0stly medical expenses - always exceed my residual.
My vote is, of course, postal British.
Yup, Poppy, I *chose* the 3rd World option for my retirement.
Ex-environmental academics often take this option of living in the biomes that were their professional life.
&58 thank you for your ideas, ast all of which I would disagree!
Well if we didn't have different opinions and be prepared to discuss them in rational manner we wouldn't be where we are
A prime example of a disproved theory is Fred Hoyles hypothesis of a steady state universe for example
So I will think about this and reply later
Mean while beware the dreaded cow theorem
“Cows have four legs,therefore all quadrupeds are cows”
Hi Chris,
I'm trying to get a 'peace and reconciliation' thing goin' with Stevie ...
y' know, just 'cos it's Christmas.
Remind me, Stevie is female, isn't she? Could be a bit embarassing if 'she' turns out to be male! ;-)
'@ChrisR The man in the sky knows when you are bad and you will go to hell when you die....
'Remember though, If you are a good person when you die the man in the sky gives you a free Mansion in heaven to live in!:)
Laudable as your intentions are I don't know of any RSV operator who allows females on the working deck, it's just too dangerous.
But nice try and have a good christmas. :o)
@ 64 Christina is a Crunt
Well, I think I am a good guy but when I die I will go back to the stars (eventually after the sun goes to a red giant and devours what is left of this planet).
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI'm not catholic but he seems to be pushing the church in the right direction. Much better him than Snowden. Not sure why a traitor that sold his soul to the Chinese and Russians would be Man of the Year.
Dec 11th, 2013 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A few more mea culpas from Cristina and she can bask in his glow.
OMG. Just look at the competition. No wonder he won
Dec 11th, 2013 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the pope has an affect on the Catholics, while Snowden has a massive effect on everyone and still doesn't win.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time magazine playing politics.
All of those contenders are still talked about, good or bad, praised or disgust. Snowden went on Assange's trail.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Pope has been impressive to say the least for a Catholic. He's not sweeping dirt under the carpets and trying to bring that organization forward.
I don't think he really cares about this yankee magazine, fame or any other award.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nevertheless congratulations to el Papa Francisco.
They did say “person” of the year, not “human” of the year!
Dec 12th, 2013 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not saying anything here!
While there are still paedophile priests in operation and he does nothing about it, he deserves nothing.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 TTT
Dec 12th, 2013 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can change your name but it doesn't change the rubbish that you talk!
Marcos - racist!
Dec 12th, 2013 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0TOBY = tit....
Well, it's got to be an improvement over some of their previous winners, such as the winners in 1938, 1939, 1942 or even 1979
Dec 12th, 2013 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rufus you need to understand what makes a person of the year and obviously you do not. It's not a Pulitzer or an Oscar.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pope Francis is assembling a panel of experts to advise him about protecting children from sexually abusive priests and about helping victims who have already been harmed. This is by far a quantum leap forward from any Pope thus far.
#6 Again tobi you are sadly pathetic with all your persona's. Obviously you are one that is too embarrassed to settle for being the Argentine that you are. Your country is starting to slide faster toward it's current economic implosion. Do something other than changing your name here.
I'm not Catholic or even religious but I do think that he is doing his best to move the church in the right direction.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was born & raised a Catholic in a Catholic country. As far as I'm concerned the people in Lewes in East Sussex have the right idea!!!
Dec 12th, 2013 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The world would be far better off without this 'pie in the sky when you die' nonsense.
My! I'll bet CFK is grittin' her teeth again ...
Dec 12th, 2013 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It Shoulda been ME!”
I'd describe Francis as the best of a bad lot. He runs an bigoted, illiberal and demented organisation that believes in fairy stories but he's probably the best the world could have hoped for.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All this in spite of CFK's crass, shameful and wholly transparent attempt to hijack his moment of glory, draw the attention to her and throw in a desperate Malvinas plea.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correspondents will recall the magnitude of this very costly (the whole team went) presidential failure (although they could be forgiven for mislaying it amongst the many other failures), and how it was countered by a phone call from a junior UK diplomat:
Diplomat: Hi, does the Pope/Vatican get involved in sovereignty disputes?
Vatican Spokesman: No.
Diplomat: Thanks.
Vatican Spokesman: You are welcome.
“Click”
Cost on a landline £0.50p (could be higher if a mobile was used).
#13 Ah... BONFIRE, many good memories. Though the anti-catholic sentiment doesn't really exist (anymore).
Dec 12th, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like Pope Francis despite his substantial ego ( he's very proud of his humility ). He seems to have a lot of energy and is used to getting things done and there is no doubting his charisma particularly compared to his predecessor. If anyone can effect positive change in this remarkably conservative institution he can.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah well, don't forget Time is an American publication and must keep in with the people: so send a donation NOW, in Jesus's name; oh hang on, better make that two, the personal jet needs a “service” as well only this one you can see for yourself.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#18
Dec 12th, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ego = 'negative-humility'.
He can't have it both ways .. Hmm, maybe he can.
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Snowden could have been in the frame for Time's Person-of-the Yr.
Mandela made it through nearly-the-Year.
Both have a stronger case, for entirely different reasons.
If they'd picked Assad it would have been more comical - and also remind us that the award is not for virtue but “for better or for worse, ...has done the most to influence the events of the year.”
Dec 12th, 2013 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's entirely neutral on virtue
#19 I'm impressed you've managed to hide your prejudice so well.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 Capt Poppy
Dec 12th, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed, it is a step in the right direction, and I do (probably against my better judgement) like this particular pope (at least he didn't (at the risk of Godwinning myself) compare atheism to nazism, like the last one), but for all his good intentions and the starts of the actions that he has made, I'm more concerned with the actual results.
To be honest, I'd like him and his panel to be effective in protecting children, but if he's fighting the entire inertia of the Catholic Church I can't help but feel that they'll be as much use as fairy wings on a cement truck.
Representative of imaginary beardy guy that lives on a cloud is voted “person of the year”. Also, head of world's largest and richest thieving organisation is voted “person of the year”. How about an audit?
Dec 12th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 22 Captain Poppy
Dec 12th, 2013 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only prejudices on here are from “believers” against others, who are, like me, ambivalent to what they “believe”, as long as they don’t wage war against other people who do not believe their flavour of delusion.
ALL religions in the Northern Hemisphere have done this at some time in the past and the ragheads are doing it now.
Of course....you always enlighten everyone, especially in Uruguay. The Uruguayans should be thankful you had to move and I am sure the are pleased you cannot return.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW.....to plagiarize your label, you too are a believer, only the opposite end.
As I always say to both, the lost and found......prove to me the other is wrong.....and you have my vote.
Question; being my simply brain is nowhere near the mass of yours so you can undubiously answer this one:
The big bang created everything, what created the big bang....gasses? Where did the gasses come from?
God was and always will be is the mantra of religion.
nothing existed before him and nothing exists after him
The Big Bang Theory is sciences mantra.
nothing existed before the Big Bang
And trust me, there is no one quite like like.
conq......your hatred of RG's is inspirational for those filled with the energy to hate. Even men who have seen years of combat don't hate to the level you do. It's obvious you've never been to Argentina, much less SA or the that matter, probably off of your island. You always shake your balls talking military this and bombing that, like the mistral winds. But it's obvious you are a military fan and not one who served. Why so much energy in hating, did you lose a child in the war? I can understand that. It's an honest and straight question.
Poppy
Dec 12th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right. There's no way to explain the big bang, nor many other things. But to explain it with some really delusional story from a book written some millenium ago makes more sense, you mean?
If that's the case, keep your vote, I'd say...
The difference is, we may not be able to explain a lot of things, but one thing we CAN explain, and that is where “God” came from...
On the fifth day, God made Leonard and Penny.
Dec 12th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And there was comedy, and it was good.
“But to explain it with some really delusional story from a book written some millenium ago makes more sense, you mean?”
Dec 12th, 2013 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did I say that? Have you read the words i actually typed? I think not. I believe in science, but I do not ridicule those of faith because I am not convinced there is not God. While I am not a man of absolute faith, I am not an atheist either. Condemn me to your communist prison for not denouncing God. Not all people of faith are radicals.
I've seen the work of those stupid and silly people of faith, Mother Theresa, MLKjr, Dali Lama.....all simple minded people. And in science's defense, all the good they have created I think of Oppenheimer and his crew. We owe him and his staff an unaccountable amount of gratitude for the atomic bomb. I mean what wound our lives be without it? It's like a microwave........we just cannot image life without the bomb. A great contribution no doubt.
Hell if you read about Einstein he absolutely renounced atheism. He recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. In fact he looked forward to death to find out how the universe was created......explain that?
Poppy
Dec 13th, 2013 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can't explain that, and why should I?
What would you do with the answer, how on earth would it be useful?
But of all explanations... A homophobic super being that is shit scared of women???
@ 26 Captain Poppy
Dec 13th, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, you certainly showed me your Christian side there!
What happened, did you lose your beliefs?
BTW I used to believe, because my parents told me about “the truth of God” and I was conformed and the High Server at our CoE High Church (figure that one) until I started learning about science and then I woke up. They had not lied to me, they had been lied to by the whole disgusting panoply of the church.
How do you explain the fact that your God who loves you would have you suffer the wrath of God and all the other illogical things that come with a compendium of fairy tales written mainly by warring tribes of the desert some 4,000 years ago? I bet nobody in your church has ever admitted that to you, have they.
But anyway, back to Einstein. Einstein was undoubtedly a clever man but like a lot of us had serious personal flaws. Being frightened of having no after life was only one of many. But that is understandable given the personal pressures he was under.
As regards the big bang, I have no proof of what came before only Einstein’s view that the universe would yo-yo back and forth between bang, expansion and contraction to a singularity and the bang again has been proven to be wrong. BUT, I know one thing for sure: it won’t be a kiddie fiddler in a dress that comes up with the answer, it will be a scientist.
Your walking and talking in circles......as usual and making insignificant statements. Why is it all you exiled people talk shit? That last statement is straight of of your ass. I'm pleased that Europe has you.
Dec 13th, 2013 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Keep hating people of faith chica.....it will will come back to you one day.......perhaps it has and that is why you cannot be in your homeland.....even to visit.
lol
Poppy/Chris
Dec 13th, 2013 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0* Creation with a guiding 'mind' ... perhaps.
* 'God' with right on his side / the 'devil' with evil intent ... without doubt, a human construct.
* Humans with sentience; a need to ascribe reason and logic beyond the self ... otherwise “Is that all there is?” becomes the sad song that overlays all existence. Human find this too scary - hence the construct of worlds beyond death.
CS Lewis: 'Mere Christianity' = the Christianity of my youth.
It wasn't just Christianity that I left, it was the God-concept itself.
@ 33 GeoffWard2
Dec 13th, 2013 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poppy’s vitriol is getting beyond himself when he thinks I hate people of religion that is simply not true. I DO detest the Yank mentality that paying money in response to some crook on the TV somehow makes you better than anyone else on the planet.
Anyway, IF he is right I will not be bothering him in the “afterlife” and if I am correct neither will he.
I totally agree with the last line of your post.
@34 as an agnostic,please tell me Chris , who or what, after the chaos of the Big Bang, organised the laws the laws of physics which you as an engineer take for granted? Or was it just a coincidence?
Dec 13th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the present laws can't explain why or what happened in that climactic event.
Perhaps if you have time you should go out of your back door and look at the splendour of the Milky Way
It certainly makes my problems fade into insignificance
How great Thou Art
Who Thou is I certainly don't know
“I DO detest the Yank mentality”
Dec 13th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chrissy I would say I detest a brits mentally, but I don't in general as detest Brits as you broad tar brush yanks and besides.....you are a Uruguayan, supposedly a brit afar.....kicked out of your homeland. What was the criminal action that exiled you to Uruguay? Who goes to a 3rd world country to retire? lol Still telling they story of a lame ass medical move? Yes........the world knows the quality of medicine there versus the UK.
Your posts go back over a year calling people of faith ......what was the most recent:
“kiddie fiddler in a dress”
Certainly defines your acceptance of the religious.
“Well, you certainly showed me your Christian side there!”
BTW......where have I posted that I am a Christian?
Your parents failed you and you take it on the people of faith. A shame they were so religious that they did not believe in birth control.
“What happened, did you lose your beliefs?”
Where have I posted one position or the other? You should stick to pretending to be a brit and a man of science. At least we all get a chuckle here and there between your posts. You'd be surprised how much you and stevie have in common.
In my sparetime I will mine Mercos for your vial posts of hatred toward the religious minded.........I mean, in your words....the “Kiddie fiddlers in a dress”. Very accepting of you with those words. however.....I don;t have the free time that you SA's have.
Exiled, pretending....whatever.......you certainly deserve Uruguay. And if there is an afterlife.....we'll both be in hell......only I made my pact with the devil long ago.
Don't worry Pops, there is no hell, and only life after death will be feeding the maggots...
Dec 13th, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If people only would spend as much time figuring out where we are heading instead of where we come from...
@ 37 you planning to become fertiliser soon Stevie?
Dec 13th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No need to plan the unavoidable, is there?
Dec 13th, 2013 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guarantee you that I will not be maggot food. If you can only prove to me there is no hell you'll impress the hell out of me.....lol. No pun intended.
Dec 13th, 2013 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie, I ask a similar question to the faithful, only prove to me it exists and I will beg forgiveness for breaking every commandment.
Stevie, save your time figuring because you are not going back to your homeland. Didn't dear old dad fuck you out of that trip?
It's the intelligent mind that asks questions and the most common to humanity is' where did man come from”. Only it does not prompt your natural curiosity. As a communist you do not care of such natural aspects of being human. It tells a lot about you.
“Stevie, I ask a similar question to the faithful, only prove to me it exists and I will beg forgiveness for breaking every commandment.”
Dec 13th, 2013 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Pops has broken every commandment...all 613 of them...
...confessing to being a murderer...stealing..adultery and coveting his neighbours wife...?
I don't even want to think of....Lev 18:9 or Lev 18:23...
Although for Yankee rednecks...probably the norm...
the primary 10. You love turning an inch into a yard. Forgive me for not clarifing myself to the anointed one........now I never said murder......but 18 bravo for an MOS and you think I am bloodless?
Dec 13th, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Captain Poppy
Dec 13th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I DO detest the Yank mentality that paying money in response to some crook on the TV somehow makes you better than anyone else on the planet.”
Let’s at least have the full statement so that other people can wonder at your ridiculous response.
I have no idea where you have got this foolish idea that I was “kicked out” of the UK and “cannot go back”, but if it helps you assuage the rage you have over me stating the truth about ‘kiddie fiddlers in a dress’ then knock yourself out.
You see, it is easy for me to tackle anything you think I have “said” because I don’t lie and have never had a criminal record. Why is it that you have brought that facile comment up: personal experience perhaps? I don’t know, I am just treating you the way you treat me. You don’t like it do you? No, neither do I.
But I will educate you over one thing: “the world knows the quality of medicine there (Uruguay) versus the UK.” Well, clearly you do not. Yes, we have to pay for health insurance instead of through taxes in the UK, but it’s considerably cheaper and VERY MUCH BETTER! My wife has a serious problem which is ongoing and the treatment has been superlative: NO waiting lists, no being pushed from one department to the next, no having to get the drugs from the other side of the town and VERY GOOD personal care. Most of the doctors have an American medical degree, but I won’t hold that against them. Ha, ha, ha.
Anyway I am done with playing your stupid fairytale games so adios!
Redpoll, I will reply later.
You're cute on your worst days Chrissy....still playing the spouse's health card....lol.
Dec 13th, 2013 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that's rage......you've never seen rage.
You never did answer my questions to your assumptious insipid response to my posting I do not hate religious people.....aka...“kiddie fiddlers in a dress”.
I take comfort in knowing you are much older than I and death is not far off. Sucks knowing you will know before me.
All you Uruguayans must dream of being in Britain....can't say I blame you either.
If you are truly done, you and your fictitious spouse should go back under your SA rock you were bred under.....perhaps stick there just a wee bit longer.
Keep living your dream live......in Uruguay..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Poppy , the health care here is excellent and a lot of your countrymen come here to fix their probs of health and dental for half the price and excellent results as it's worth their while.
Dec 13th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While some of the public free care hospitals leave a lot to be desired, some of the better ones are in the forefront of medicine
Chapter and verse provided if it interests you
Unlike some that post here I can say that ...I do not know. I do know that a lot of Americans travel for healthcare. You can find the best and worst doctors in the world in the USA, depending on what you want to pay. Sad that the powers that be here have the populace convinced that the government should pay for roads, primary education, military, wars for oil.....but not to keep the people healthy. My trips to Argentina has not taken me to Uruguay.....perhaps this year.
Dec 14th, 2013 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 45 redp0ll
Dec 14th, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0As you can see, he is not interested in facts only berating other people.
Why he gets upset at the term “Yank” is beyond me: it's like me being upset about “Brit”.
The other laugh about “Poppy” is he seems to be unaware of the number of Yanks coming here having given up their citizenship. Must hurt having to voluntarily pay Obuma 50% of your total wealth just to escape the tax burden, poor things.
Before we decided to come here we had luch with Total Uruguay in Pocitos (every Sunday) and the majority where these people. They did nothing but moan about the States but said they were enjoying life in Uruguay. Unlike me, they did not pay any tax to their country of origin.
It takes all sorts.
47
Dec 14th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simply put...I do not believe you...
...“unaware of the number of Yanks coming here having given up their citizenship.”
.....“Unlike me, they did not pay any tax to their country of origin.”
For starters why would they pay taxes to origin if they had given up their citizenship?
Second ....Yanks living abroad do not have to give up their citizenship...
I know a lot of Yanks living abroad permanently and not one of them as given up their citizenship and certainly not in a third world country....
All Yanks are legally required even when living permanently abroad to fill in a tax return yearly to the US and can have their nationality revoked if they do not, though it seldom happens...
You appear to know very little about Yanks...I think you make stuff up...
....stick to what you do know about...
As for you Pops why do you always assume the rest of the world even knows or cares what an “18 Bravo for a MOS”...means...
Get your parochial head out of the USA centre of the world complex and start thinking out of the box.....
One thing I do know about Special forces current and EX...is they never ever tell anyone....lots of them are part time and can still be called up for duty or instruction purposes and they are still considered targets....hence the secrecy...
Why is it that on every forum Yanks are always....a business tycoon or Specialised in some way...yet over there I just see ordinary folk...
I'm thinking they tell porkies....
Art... my neighbour has a gammy leg...he told me he got it in Nam..I know for a fact it was a work related accident and he was never in Nam....but I humour him...
...“I'm just out taking my gun for a ride”.....Ya gotta love him!...;-))))
@ 48 A_Voice
Dec 14th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, aren’t we in a tizz?
You did not read my post or you did not understand it, so, in simple words here it is:
1) Yanks who are fed up of paying worldwide tax to the States can opt to leave the country, and their citizenship, AND paying tax to the States from anywhere and forever, BUT it costs them 50% of ALL their current wealth and that’s it. From the US Tax Office figures, via the BBC here are some simple statements that even you should be able to grasp. Note the SIX times the previous year surge in cases of relinquishing the US Passport!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24135021
2) The Yanks you know who are paying tax to the States DON’T have to give up anything: why should they? And it doesn’t matter where they live AS LONG AS THEY KEEP PAYING THE TAXES.
3) Now, let us tackle the mind-boggling (to you anyway) statement about our lunch in a restaurant in Pocitos, MVD back in 2010. My wife and I were sitting with about 22 Americans, all who were living in Uruguay and enjoying it. Some had already given up the US Passports. Some were in the process of getting the Uruguayan cedula which allows them permanent residency in the country, this takes three years.
The meal was great but the company was marred by the ones who were still having to pay taxes to the States and moaning like hell about it. BUT and here is where you became confused: the no US Passport Yanks were also complaining about the tax and the stupid sods didn’t have to pay any.
Now I think you are a Brit. Bet you don't pay tax on all your worldwide income, do you?
“One thing I do know about Special forces current and EX...is they never ever tell anyone....lots of them are part time and can still be called up for duty or instruction purposes and they are still considered targets....hence the secrecy...”
Dec 14th, 2013 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you do know is nothing about SF......SF are not in the NCS, though they may work aside them. It's not a secret to tell people you are Airborne, Ranger or SF.....the ones NO ONE knows of....even beyond SEALS, are Delta. SO don;t tell me anything about SJ....which is now a combined branch...JSOC. The only real secret is deployments. I'd be more than happy to show you my DD214 in PA, where you OWN property. You are relatively a smart individual voice, but contrary to your believe, you do not know most everything.
Don't confuse Army SF with Delta and Seals.
PS....There are quite a few Americans who choose to move abroad when they retire. I will be one as well.
49
Dec 15th, 2013 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0That was it..that was your source...you do not understand it at all.
This is for Yanks having over 50,000 dollars in a foreign banks...
BTW If it's below 50,000 the foreign banks don't have to inform the US....answer different bank accounts with 49,000 in...
Where do you get 50% of all their current wealth from?
This is to target Yanks with foreign investments and tax evading not for Yanks living abroad the whole article was crap, Yanks living abroad earning a normal wage are not liable to pay US tax...if they have investments that create revenue over a certain limit they will be liable for tax on the profit above the limit....as if they were living in the US with a foreign investment.
That silly cow was obviously unable to fill in a simple tax return...paying others to do it. Also the remark....I won't be able to own property in the US ever again...if she becomes a foreign national.....Bullshit, I own property in the US and I'm not a Yank....the woman's an idiot.
Sensationalism....1000 out of 6 million Yanks living abroad giving up their citizenship and it states quite clearly there was no indiction on the reasons....just assuming it was for tax reasons....
50
Well that told me Pops....you were right I was confusing SF with Delta and Seals....
When I'm in PA I will definitely take you up on your offer...I'm not shy about meeting real people as you may have followed on other threads....
...but no guns....mainly because I don't have any...;-)
Though it looks like a 6 hour drive for me...still I'd like to have a nosey at Boston then a company I want to visit in Vermont....
PS...So where do you fancy abroad...Europe?
Guns.......no FID card nor a license to carry. I have no need for them, they are long behind me.
Dec 15th, 2013 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Italy tickles my fancy. My actual preference it Egypt but I wager I will not see it.
Boston's classy and crude around the edges. But it's the sports mecca of the USA.
@ 35 redp0ll
Dec 15th, 2013 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“who or what, after the chaos of the Big Bang, organised the laws the laws of physics which you as an engineer take for granted?”
Carl Sagan does a marvellous job of explaining the things that happened as the singularity “opened” (in nothingness). Perhaps (we don’t know for sure as yet but we are nearly there) after a split of a split second there was a multi-billion degree (absolute) soup of neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons (positrons), photons, and neutrinos comingling for another split second before they were blasted at huge velocities outward in all directions. We have to be a little careful here as the energies involved to cause this inflation would seem to comprise of something we have yet to know.
There was no blinding flash of light at that point.
It was at this time that the basic laws of physics were established. It had to be VERY early on (less than a second) in order for the law of entropy to arise and everything to start cooling thus allowing the neutrons to start the process of decaying into protons and electrons or, very importantly combining with the protons themselves to make deuterium. This is VERY important because deuterium is an isotope of hydrogen, the fuel of stars and the driver of all life. To answer your question as to whom or what formed the laws is very simple: the particles and what comprises them did. The nuclear elements within hold the answer and this is what the Hadron Collider is investigating among other things.
“the present laws can't explain why or what happened in that climactic event” (I take it you mean the singularity itself at the point of appearing).
No, it cannot and why should they be capable of doing so? Normal matter had coalesced by the time the thing had been opened for a split of a split second.
You must realise that the “laws of physics” are configured to comply with the observable worldly results and not the other way around!
BTW I do look at the stars down here.
Brasil is more generous - you only need US$24000 pa to qualify financially as a Permanent Resident - and you can keep your prior nationality, pay your takes to the 'home country' and just top-up any difference via the Brasilian tax system.
Dec 15th, 2013 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0My (scrupulously and honestly completed) on-line tax calculation always works out as a residual R$0, because my allowances in Brasil - m0stly medical expenses - always exceed my residual.
My vote is, of course, postal British.
Yup, Poppy, I *chose* the 3rd World option for my retirement.
Ex-environmental academics often take this option of living in the biomes that were their professional life.
&58 thank you for your ideas, ast all of which I would disagree!
Dec 15th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well if we didn't have different opinions and be prepared to discuss them in rational manner we wouldn't be where we are
A prime example of a disproved theory is Fred Hoyles hypothesis of a steady state universe for example
So I will think about this and reply later
Mean while beware the dreaded cow theorem
“Cows have four legs,therefore all quadrupeds are cows”
@ 55 redp0ll
Dec 15th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now you have me in suspense, the first line of your response doesn’t make sense to me! I THINK you disagree with everything I have posted? :o(
Love the cow theorem; I think you must have had scientific training.
Never mind Fred Hoyle, what about Einstein’s “little” bloomer?
science is a myth. The man in the sky created everything!
Dec 15th, 2013 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@57
Dec 16th, 2013 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Broken my glasses so meantime, definition of a polymath
Someone who knows fook all about a helluva lot
The man in the sky knows everything!
Dec 19th, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 59 Christina is a Crunt
Dec 19th, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems your tag may also apply to you.
As an atheist I am not jealous of your claim to have three wise men and a virgin in at the start of Christianity, if you can believe it of course.
Thoroughly enjoyed a Cambridge choral service today in this run-up to Christmas (though I kept my eyes open during the prayers, of course).
Dec 19th, 2013 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 61 GeoffWard2
Dec 19th, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, the wife enjoys the carols also.
I of course sing the alterantive version that we as choirboys came up with for a giggle.
“Whilst Shepherds washed their socks by night all seated on the ground” is very mild to ours. :o)
Hi Chris,
Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm trying to get a 'peace and reconciliation' thing goin' with Stevie ...
y' know, just 'cos it's Christmas.
Remind me, Stevie is female, isn't she? Could be a bit embarassing if 'she' turns out to be male! ;-)
'@ChrisR The man in the sky knows when you are bad and you will go to hell when you die....
Dec 19th, 2013 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Remember though, If you are a good person when you die the man in the sky gives you a free Mansion in heaven to live in!:)
@ 63 GeoffWard2
Dec 20th, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Laudable as your intentions are I don't know of any RSV operator who allows females on the working deck, it's just too dangerous.
But nice try and have a good christmas. :o)
@ 64 Christina is a Crunt
Well, I think I am a good guy but when I die I will go back to the stars (eventually after the sun goes to a red giant and devours what is left of this planet).
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