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UK investing in new generation of nuclear deterrent 'Successor' submarines

Tuesday, December 17th 2013 - 02:56 UTC
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The UK Defence Secretary has announced £79 million of investment in the next generation of Royal Navy submarines. The Successor submarines, which will carry the UK’s strategic nuclear deterrent will be the largest and most advanced boats operated by the Navy and their design and construction will be the most technologically complex in the history of the UK. Read full article

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  • Marcos Alejandro

    Like the Russian say about Britain “a small island no one listens to”

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    Like the Brits say about argentina.........WHO?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Be even smaller, when you stop abusing our hospitality and fuck off back home!

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    To be fair Russia listens to nobody......Syria anyone?

    Still these looks to be mighty fine boats. The tradition continues of building world class subs that are some of the most formidable weapons ever developed. Almost undetectable, they can lurk for many months at a time and then pop-up and if so required permanently wipe a country off the face of the earth from unbelievable distances. Scary stuff.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @1
    Yes a small country but the last one you would want to screw with, hence the reason we just have to put up with Spanish lies, tears and tantrums, too cowardly and impotent to do anything else.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Xect

    Just wonder are you going to eat them when UK economy collapse?

    Oh! dio...

    Even Poor Pakistan has weapons to destroy UK, any country can wipe from the face of earth other country on this days if has the political will to do so. Come on boy grow up will you please?

    Mean while in the real world more bad news from the DarkKingdom...

    “Poorer than your parents - post-war pensions boom 'is coming to an end' ”

    Oops!!!!!
    “People born in the 1960s and 1970s face becoming the first generation since the Second World War who will be worse off than their parents in retirement, a new study has warned. ”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/10521587/Poorer-than-your-parents-post-war-pensions-boom-is-coming-to-an-end.html

    Sad really sad indeed...

    Not even chocolates are what use to be on these days in just for sale Britain...

    “Cadbury are facing revolt as chocolate fans complain they have changed the shape and taste of their classic Dairy Milk bars since being bought out by an American company. ”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/10521587/Poorer-than-your-parents-post-war-pensions-boom-is-coming-to-an-end.html

    Poor Britons, no economy, no jobs, no hope, Not Royal Nadie and now not even chocolates...

    I just wonder how these poor fellas can resist so much humiliation every day...

    Very sad, very sad...

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    Haha Danny, As ever posting things that have zero to do with the topic.

    And even funnier posting on economic matters when Argentina is quite simply a grade A lesson in how not to effectively run an economy.

    Serious question, have you ever been tested for ADHD?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Musky

    @1 marcos
    Oh what bollocks... never heard of soft power ? It's the ability to influence others through culture and such things as music, films, TV, books, sport and events. The survey at the end of 2012 revealed Britain as the top soft power. And where was Argentina ... nowhere, where was russia... nowhere. Combine this soft power, our military, Prince Harry, One Direction, our aid to developing countries and our contribution to UN causes, science, technology, computing, invention ..it's fair to say that for a country of a mere 61 million we punch above our weight and we are listened to much more than backward banana republics like you, so swivel on it...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2234726/Britain-tops-global-soft-power-list.html

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Dany

    Serious question:

    Are you expecting the looting to continue, in your country, Argentina?

    Who gets 'promised' more wages next?

    How will CFK pay for them?

    Will she print more money, further devaluing the Peso?

    Won't all these wage hikes create even more inflation this year??

    C'mon, Mr. Economist ????

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • nololly

    Ha ha #6 Dunny Bugger. You get up at the Argie embassy in London and over your coffee read a couple off pieces from The Times and regurgitate the sad bits on here. About the generation that will be poorer than their parents you missed the part about the inheritance in wealth they will recieve which will make them the richest generation ever. As for unemployment, we are employing about 2 million Europeans here in Britain. Unemployment would be zero if they went home. You cant avoid Spanish waiters.
    By the way, we know exactly who you are. Take care and in future stick to the topic.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AzaUK

    i do find this quite entertain, specially for a small country no one listens to

    http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp?form=form&country1=Argentina&country2=United-Kingdom&Submit=Compare+Countries

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #1
    I'm fairly certain Argentina was listening to the UK the last time the RG's were kicking up sand. As for size, how big do you suppose Israel is? Perhaps you do not know, after all you Bolivarian SA's are allies with the likes of Syria and Hezbollah.
    #2 I believe the pronoun the world is asking is.....“A what”

    cheeseburger....wouldn't you think the teltale signs of economic collapse start with civil unrest, governmental chaos, rising inflation, diminishing foreign trade, loss of DFI, before an economic collapse takes place? Mmmmmmm......sounds like a SA country......no? Keep wishing DB, but I do not think your rabid dreams will come true........highly unlikely though.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Xect

    Well just a matter of point of view my friend...

    Ukistand has a bid GDP because has an inflated and overvalued currency that only benefits banks and speculators.

    A currency 61% more valued that the US dollar that still is the biggest economy in the world has not sense.

    What is the fundamental that the Pound perform better than the US dollar?

    None, just thin air son in real term UK economy is really small despite the inflated GDP that shows in US dollars.

    Do you consider this an economy success?

    I don’t...

    Sad but is true...

    @Musky

    I guess your clock got stuck in the ’60 UK has no influence in this world since long time ago...

    Computing? Technology?, Inventions?

    Are you serious?

    I will tell something than American Engineer told me so long ago... in UK you can only may be can succeed by having a domestic hosting company if you don’t go broke in the process.

    He was absolutely right nothing comes from UK since the ’80 have you noted that?

    “Britain ousts the U.S. as world's most influential nation: Country tops rankings for 'soft power'”

    Ha ha ha, are you joking right?

    None can point UK in map have you noted that?

    Very funny that a so influential nation has to complain to Argentina for a domestic law. Do this tell you something?

    Oh! shit no influence at all ha ha ha.

    I told you guys Maradona has more influence than UK in these days a picture with god Maradona will open more doors that your Queen, CaMoron, etc. in the world- God is Argentine but now is busy in Dubai I guess. Ha ha

    @ Troy Tempest

    Have you eaten you ration of kebab today mate?

    Printing money? Ask the BoE about it they can teach how to do it in industrial way. Ha ha

    @ AzaUK

    Nice in paper but Argies have shown how easy is to sank half of the Royal Nadie and get away with it.

    If you don believe me ask Lord crying West

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VPkJWWGn3o

    How bad do you think will be next time for the “Royal Nadie” against modern Argie missiles? Half an hour perhaps?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JuanGabriel

    @13 A massive long list of complete crap and the final part is the most retarded - what modern argie missiles?

    Anyway, good news on the Subs, we picked up a decent order on the back of it yesterday and should be more to come.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    “”“”How bad do you think will be next time for the “Royal Nadie” against modern Argie missiles? Half an hour perhaps?“”“”

    half an hour of laughing to death is the only way your dream-time missile is going to cause any casualties.

    pretty much like your posts.

    “”“”“Nice in paper but Argies have shown how easy is to sank half of the Royal Nadie and get away with it. ”“””

    Argentina sank a LOT more than half the British fleet - you sank just the Invincible at least 10 times.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Anbar

    Don't worry mate sure the Argies will do a better job next time.

    Ah! I wouldn't like to be in a British boat if that is going to happen it will be a really sad death you know?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Dany,
    l guess someone left your cell door open.
    Now go back in, theres a good boy/girl(?).

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Musky

    @DannyB
    Don't be a lemon young sir
    The WWW is a british invention.
    The ARM cpu.. in nearly all mobile phones
    DNA Fingerprinting
    Viagra
    So on and so forth....
    We sit on the UN security council.
    We are at the core of the commonwealth.
    We are part of the EU (sadly) and probably 2nd largest market.
    We have treaties and partnerships around the world.
    We patrol the oceans and assist in humanitarian efforts.
    And what have you got... ahh yes, Maradonna!

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Dany, get back behind that trolley girl. We have a saying for Argies - couldnt knock the skin off a rice pudding. So it was in 1982. And, if you go out in a boat, mind those silent killers waiting offshore.
    BTW, the only missiles in Argentina are rocks and petrol bombs - sign of a nation of retards. Remember your ability to post nonsense here is due to Sir Tim Berners Lee, thats besides Watt Stevenson Bell, Newton and the rest. What have you lot invented - the Tango and Corned Beef, Oh...and whingeing.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Dany, turn it around, educate us, tell us a few things aout Argentina...

    What has Argentina invented that benefits the whole world?

    How much aid does Argentina give to poorer countries?

    Why does no-one in the world want Argentine currency?

    What does Argentina excell in?

    And so on...

    We are waiting for your answer as to why you think you are better than us?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #16
    OK our “Argy” military expert. You will do a better job next time.
    Just exactly HOW will this come about ?
    Are your software people developing a new game for X-box to enable you to carry out your fantasies ?
    Think back to 1982. One submarine put the fear of God into the whole Argentine navy. What do you have to counter the current much superior models.
    Our subs. could have destroyed the WHOLE Argentine navy but were held back for political concerns. The losses the RN received were due to a certain set of circumstances that would NOT prevail again.
    In the unlikely event of hostilities - you have nothing that floats- your navy would be destroyed in port.

    Dany
    What is your fixation with kebabs ? Can't you afford any ?
    Probably because no one wants Argy. pesos

    Jealousy just oozes from your posts.
    I am sorry that you were dealt a bum hand in life being Argentinean, but you will just have to grin and bear it.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    I think we can expect the comments we do from Argentina, our military power is now so vastly ahead of them in every possible way there is no possible way they could either catch up or match it. The sad reality for them is that they know that Falkland Islands can only be taken by war and they are powerless to achieve this.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    @15 Anbar, be fair, they only sank HMS Invincible six times, plus Canberra a couple of times and I think Hermes a couple of times as well...

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Oh! the idiots are going to make the same mistake again underestimating the enemy...

    The argies will destroy the Royal Nadie even easy than before...

    You were just lucky that's all...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsmzf57op50

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    Hey Dany!

    Tell us again about your cunning plan to invade the Falklands, sacrificing 10,000 Argentines in the process?

    Your military knowledge is non-existent, probably gleaned from playing computer games. In reality you can't just reload and start again fom scratch when things don't go your wy.

    In 1982, the UK, at the USA's request, didn't bomb Argentina. That cost the UK men and ships.

    The UK won't be so restrained should Argentina be stupid enough to try again.

    The UK can attack any military target in Argentina, with accuracy, from thousands of miles away, should the need arise. Argentina has got any missiles that could reach the Falklands. It hasn't got enough ships to get your 10,000 sacrificial lambs to the Falklands, and your airforce is a shell of it's former self.

    As for Argentina itself, it is currently imploding.

    In the UK inflation is currently at 2.1%, in Argentina it is running about 30% and increasing all the time.

    When you say the UK is finished, it is just wishful thinking. When I say Argentina is heading for another implosion, that is the truth, backed up by actual facts.

    But at least you don't live in Argentina, so you don't have to face the harsh reality that the rest of the Argentine population are facing. You must be relieved about that.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Biguggy

    Just guess who, besides the US has not paid their UN 'dues'?
    http://www.un.org/en/ga/contributions/honourroll.shtml

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Dany, please keep posting, your fantasies are sooo enertaining, please keep it up!

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    What's the point in making it stealthy? The Argentines will clearly be able to detect it skulking around off the coast of Buenos Aires and declare it a threat to world peace.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    “The UK can attack any military target in Argentina”

    HAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AzaUK

    13 DanyBerger not forgetting one of the biggest war casualties, the legal sinking of the General Belgrano. that killed more Argentine in one moment then argentine caused the UK forces in the entire war. was caused by a sub

    Our country will survive this as we have survived much worse in the past. As for Argentina well that's a different grade of the credit rating scale.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Bit more information on these subs:

    http://www.naval-technology.com/features/feature-nuclear-submarine-successor-uk-royal-navy/

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Amazing Britworker, it could probably kill a bunch of third world school kids with the push of a button. And their teacher.

    What a wonder...

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @32
    Why on earth would we do that, these beauties are deterrents, a visible reminder to the crazies in the world who feel like helping themselves to our territories. You need to remember that one of our subs sent RG's entire fleet back to port.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Yes, your military also sacked a couple of countries in the Middle East, killing who knows how many civilians in the process. But UK troops helping themselves to get their hands on other people's natural resources is common procedure, regardless if it's the Middle East or the southern Atlantic...

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    26 Biguggy (#), would that be Argentina.
    Presumably if they don't pay up soon they will be kicked off all committees.
    C-24 anyone.
    At which point the Argies cannot speak next year so The Falklands Islands should immediately ask for removal from the decolonization list as they are happy with the staus quo.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @34
    I think you had better have a good look at yourselves mate!

    http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Qom-people-is-victim-increasing-43780.S.208159589

    http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Qom-people-is-victim-increasing-43780.S.208159589

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Yes, Britworker, because you lot have a historical record of caring for the indigenous population, be that wherever you lot go. A prime example in humanity...

    I guess you aren't happy until Argentina sells you a couple of Qoms...

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @37

    You're living in the past, people do that when their best years are behind them. Looking forward to the next RG collapse, not long now.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @1 From the desperate defeated! Back in '82 you should have been annihilated. Still, maybe tomorrow!
    @6 Always a good idea to figure out who can do what to whom. First step, latam becomes “volcano-powered”. Ignited by British nuclear missiles, latam “ascends to the heavens”. A whole new concept of “fall-out”. Argies will like this. Falling from the sky is very popular. Every argie should do it at least once! The sooner the better. Wherever they are hiding.
    @11 Quite good. But the UK has far more main battle tanks than those listed.
    @13 You don't have any friends. No-one likes a public masturbator. It's to do with “trust”. Not a subject argie “friggers” would know anything about. How would an argie recognise anything in computing, technology or innovation. Argies are up to the abacus, the abacus and genocide. Is that progress? How amazing that we British managed to destroy more than 100 argie aircraft. Half the Royal Navy? Could you explain how 4 vessels were “half the Royal Navy”? When 33 RN warships were deployed? And here's a tip. How many of your missiles will get through the 200 nuclear warheads “landing” in argieland?
    @16 If there's a “next time” I'm going. I expect I'll be 65 or more by then. Once I piss on you, you're dead.
    @24 Good luck. Have you noticed how the Belgrano was SUNK, the Islas de los Estados was SUNK, the coaster Monsunen was driven aground, the trawler Narwhal was SUNK, the Rio Carcarana was destroyed, the Santa Fe was disabled and the entire argie fleet fled? And do you have any boats that float? British children in a paddling pool could destroy the argie “navy”!
    @29, 32, 34 With the genocidal nature of your ancestors, you shouldn't be pointing a finger. By definition, French, German, Italians and Spaniards are genocidal by nature. Can't stop themselves. Also xenophobic. Sub-human really!

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JuanGabriel

    @39 the figure for Challenger 2s isn't far off the active number or thereabouts, there are currently 5 armoured regiments with nominal full strength of 2x58 & 3x44 C2 with the balance of the 400 or so stored in reserve.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Philippe

    The RN was, is, and will remain 2nd to none.

    Philippe

    PS. It's not a question of size

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    He knows all about underestimating the enemy, he should do, the biggest dipolomatic and military cock up in recent history and who was it that made it?

    Yep, Argentina.

    Silly buggers, about as clever as looking for a gas leak with a match!

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    You can only use these once.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @29 Stevie

    How jealous you are.

    You see the UK can attack any military target in Argentina fom thousands of miles away.

    Argentina only has the ability to attack its own people or it's neighbours. You have ZERO ability to invade the Falklands, ZERO ability to even launch a missile that could reach the Falklands.

    But laugh all you want. The UK will still be going strong when Argentina has been long forgotten.

    Argentina, a country about to commit suicide.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #37
    OK Stevie. Why don't you return to Uruguay or wherever you came from and get involved in the political process. With your impressive “take” on world affairs....especially geared towards the UK's “sins”....you should be greeted as a hero bringing the marxist revolution in South America to a glorious climax. How about it ?
    OR, are you just a cowardly twat who likes to snipe at long distance safe from any consequences.
    DO SOMETHING instead of prattling on.

    #34
    Please detail the natural resources we have got our hands on in Iraq and Afghanistan. No generalities as per your usual crap but specific items with values.
    Thank you in anticipation !

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    LEP
    Britain can only attack women and children without getting their fingers burnt. As soon as they take on the male part of the population, they get their arse kicked. Look at Iraq, look at Afghanistan.
    Looting and stealing they are great at though. Oil, rebuilding contracts for damages made by the bombing of civilians... Lying is something they are great at as well, especially in order to justify their murderous and thieving agenda. Hey, ask David Kelly.....s wife about how far the culprits are prepared to go in order to defend their crimes.

    The farce is over, and so are you ;)

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    @28 Idle, the Argentines will be able to detect it and sthqueam and sthqueam and sthqueam until they're thick anyway. It doesn't matter whether or not it's within a thousand miles of Argentina, they'll still be screaming anyway.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Oh my god Lep.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EH1G4EwljM

    LMAO

    Courtesy of ChrisR.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    #46 When has it been British policy to attack women and children? We attack armies, terrorists, drug smugglers, cruel dictators and invaders, and then only when its needed. Was the RG army that attacked the Falkland Islands composed of women and children? We know they ran away, but they seemed to be men?

    If you are going to try to argue on here get your facts straight.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    No Sir. You CALL them terrorists, drug smugglers and the name of the day. Then you bomb women and children.
    You wish to talk about Argentina 30 years ago, and there I can only say you're right. Galtieri was as big a lacra as you lot are today, and it has nothing to do with the islands...

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    @50 God you're boring. The same dreary rubbish on every thread, every day. If you must insist on infesting the place like some sort of literary cockroach, could you at least try some variety?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    @50 “Then you bomb women and children”

    Are you saying the real targets are women and children.

    And Sadam Hussein, Qaddafi, Mahomodinajob, Putin, bin Laden, Noriega, are really just good guys that we attached a bad name to so that we can go out and bomb women and children?

    Do we ever bomb bad guys, or just women and children?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You lot would never attack Putin. Your balls are simply too small for that...
    You only attack “third world” nations full of natural resources, don't make me laugh more than usual...

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    Stevie : Maybe the British pirates you despise so much might like to read how Argentina treats it's (ab) original inhabitants , including children :
    http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2013/5/7/nino-qom-nueva-victima-violencia-contra-comunidad-712969.asp
    Are you going to blame Galtieri for that ?
    Do you wonder why the Kelpers won't have anything to do with Argentina , and why the rest of the world holds the place in contempt ?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    Has Stevie actually gone back to South America yet? Considering its such an egalitarian Garden of Eden compared with the evil Developed World and its its warmongering devil-worshippers lol.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Despicable indeed, just like Brit actions around the world. Where you going at?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Don't make you laugh.

    Have'nt stopped since you appeared on here.

    You will like this, particularly at 0:45.

    It's you to a tee.

    LOL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMKsR_wUSfA

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    @53 “you lot would never attack Putin”

    Stevie can you answer the rest of my question in 52. It was a bit more detailed than what you focused on.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Bushpilot
    You lot will bomb anything for profit. Good guys, bad guys, families, uncles, children... As long as there is profit in form of oil, diamonds, contracts or influence, you'll bomb indiscriminately...

    What's your point?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    “Then you bomb women and children.”

    We take care of shitheads who are fucking up our world. Our enemies bomb women and children too, you don't mention that.

    We don't target women and children. And our adversaries shouldn't hide behind women and children.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    And you lot shouldn't be stealing natural resources around the world, killing women and children in the process, regardless of what any religious freak does...

    I still miss your point.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @61
    We had a bad apple in one of our regiments who shot an insurgent in Afghanistan, and what did we do? We charged him with murder and he was convicted.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    @61 “I still miss your point”

    You responded to my point, AND told me you missed it. You only want to make your point about how gringos brutalize the whole world for resources.

    Where are we stealing resources specifically?

    What are a few of the despicable Brit actions around the world, specifically?

    Did the U.S. go to war with Afghanistan for resources? Which ones?

    Did the U.S. kill Osama bin Laden in Pakistan for resources? Which ones?

    The U.S. bombed Qaddafi in the 80's. Did we extract resources from Libya after that?

    What were we doing in Lebanon when Hezbollah blasted the shit out of our Marines with suicide bombers? Were we there for resources, which ones?

    Somalia has what resources we were after when they chased the U.S. out of there?

    What about that conflict over in Serbia and Croatia? What were the specific resources the U.S. and Britain were after when they went in there and ended things. What were the specific resources they were after? Do you understand the question?

    When Saddam Hussein took over Kuwait, he butchered those people. The U.S. and Britain went in there for the OIL. Should they have just let Saddam Hussein act like the butcher? Just because you don't like white people?

    Why did Argentina attack the Falkland Islands?

    Is Argentina after anything in Uruguay?

    Answer the whole post please. Don't just throw back a few words relevant to one easy part of it.

    And if you don't mind. Don't end your response with, “What's your point”.

    I didn't give you a point, I gave you a question, to understand your thinking.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Hahahaha golfcronie!!!
    “A bad apple”...
    The whole bloody tree is rotten and you choose to look at the apples.
    As if that would give you lot the right to sack sovereign nation, killing women and children in the process...

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    Your posts are starting to sound like disjointed ranting. Maybe you should take a break.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Truth hurts?
    Maybe you should stop defending the indefensible...

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #60 little chica stevie will not ever mention his allied....the Taliban and Al qaeda beheading women and children besides they enemy. stevie will never bring up targeting women and children or even exploiting them in homicide bombings.
    Nor will stevie mention his close friends, the taliban's war on women. Acid in their face for going to school....death for premarital sex, A few days back they killed a girl for assisting the polio-vaccination program in Kapisa. Of course women can receive an education, as long as they are not older than 8 years old.

    stevie.....she likes to renounce nations that can defend themselves against acts like 9/11....the London subway.....Mumbai attacks.......because his role models and heros fight ethically and afterall.....her native country is incapable of defending itself.

    And btw............blackouts are in full force once again. If it's riots and loots in the streets, blackouts daily.......you know it's Christmas shopping season.

    t's the most wonderful time of the year
    With the kids are a stealing
    And everyone telling you “Be of good cheer”
    It's the most wonderful time of the year
    It's the hap-happiest season of all
    With those holiday greetings and lootings and meetings
    When friends come to call
    It's the hap- happiest season of all

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Poppy
    Nothing that you mention gives you the right to bomb defenseless women and children...

    What's your point?

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    We all know about Argentinas military capability. Their cowardice is only matched by their incompetence. They have just given a bravery award to a Uruguayan terrorist who volunteered to fight for them in 82. That is basically what passes for a military hero in Argentina.

    For more evidence look at what happened when Lieutenant Wales arrived in the Falklands in his unarmed yellow helicopter. The entire Argentine military complained that he had been deployed to conquer them (1 pilot and 1 unarmed helicopter was going to conquer a nation of 40 million).

    A half dozen short range missiles were tested and they pissed their pants in fear despite the fact the missiles had a range of 3 miles and they are 400 miles away.

    Widespread cowardice and irrational fear sits on the back of every Argentine soldier. The Chileans have a song about why the Argentines lost the Falklands War and I believe cowardice was one of the main reasons.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @ RICO
    That would be:
    “Argentinos, maricones, les quitaron las Malvinas por huevones”.

    but the Macc Lads top that ...

    ....
    Fray Bentos and cheap red wine is all they eat in the Argentine,
    But after a scrap with the English Navy,
    They'll ask for the recipe for chips and gravy.
    ....

    I think there is a version with Conq on backing vocals.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    STEVIE, STEVIE, STEVIE.

    WAKE UP, FOR GODS SAKE WAKE UP.

    SMACK HIM AROUND THE FACE SOMEBODY QUICK!

    HE'S GONE INTO THE MATRIX!

    WOMEN AND CHILDREN LOOK OUT; STEVIE THINKS YOU ARE ALL DEAD.

    HE'S ARRESTING, MUST HAVE HAD A BRAIN ANEURYSM!

    Small voice from the side:

    WTF are you lot doing: he's got NO brain!

    Stevie: this is how stupid your posts look. Stop taking whatever narcoleptic substance you are using to keep working the RSV because you are delusional if you believe the crap you post.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    It seems every time Britain gets to renew or upgrade,
    The envy of the losers comes to the front,

    You only condemn the UK,
    What abt the rest,
    And yet somehow we think, that if ever in the future YOU get these things, all will be ok,
    Hypocrisy springs to mind,

    Still,
    The old saying that if you let children play with matches ect ect,
    Argentina would almost certainly get its fingers burnt…
    .

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    There have been a couple of programs on BBC about the cold war and the submarine services of the UK, US and USSR.
    The one detailing the exploits of HMS Swiftsure describes how she sailed into Barents Sea, in the middle of a Russian live firing exercise, to gain intelligence about the new Russian carrier, the Kiev.
    The Kiev was located and Swiftsure came in behind it to capture underwater pictures,and its sonar signature. It went within 3 metres of the vessels hull to successfully obtain this information and was never located by the whole Russian force. It dropped back behind, dived and returned back with this precious intelligence.

    The Conqueror made an equally spectacular voyage to capture an array towed sonar from a spy trawler...again undetected...and return it for NATO (UK/US) examination. A fantastic piece of seamanship, entirely as expected of the RN.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9602103/HMS-Conquerors-biggest-secret-a-raid-on-Russia.html

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Don't take too much notice of Stevie, folks.
    No use trying to argue with the thing,
    Can't you see he's a stirring troll(& a malvinista).
    Just trying to upset us all.
    Yes, you're right Stevie, its a dastardly plot to take over the world & force every one to wear pink.
    What do you think you'd look like in pink, Stevie.?
    Cretin.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Stunning, simply stunning...

    Cheers love.

    Dec 17th, 2013 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @70 Condorito

    Lol.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    The point is that you are a senseless moron if you think anyone targets “defenseless women and children” like your allies, Taliban and Al Qaeda does.
    Talk about how your buddies target WOMEN.......justify there actions on women....I want to hear your rationale for targeted murder of innocence versus collateral deaths. And yes there is a significant difference in war.

    But you wouldn't know that because you think you and Argenshit is on morale high ground. If your asshole president .....christina cuntmouth did not destroy her own military, she would be invading the Falklands in a heartbeat. Now she is left to only destroy her own people.

    You are forced to take your position because you can't even defend your own country. Good thing it is destroyed to the point that no one wants Argentina. On the other hand, Argentina want everything everyone else has.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    The only people who can steal resources form the Falklands are Argentines... the Islander already own it, so its impossible for them to steal what they have always own, and still own.

    Falklands Islander 3 Stevie 0

    Hows Brazil's nuke subs coming on?

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    They are coming on well, keels laid, crews fitted out with lead underwear, just waiting now for the French to show them how to turn the pilot lights on in the reactors!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 05:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Collateral damage, my arse. Stop finding excuses to bomb kids!
    That's just sick!!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Hahaha. Stevie well and truly blathered from all sides. The lying turd will think twice before posting more of his nonsense.

    Stevie, Britons just gave £100 million to the people of the Phillipines from their own pocket and that is besides what the government gave. Our helicopter carrier carried 5000 tons of relief supplies from Singapore to the outer islands.

    What did you give? What did your country give - nothing!

    You are a sick turd of the lowest order, a bigot, liar and twat.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @80 Stevie

    Your jealousy is so obvious that you desperately try to vilify the UK.

    Your hypocrisy is also astounding. You accuse the UK of deliberately targeting women and children which is an outright lie, yet ignore completely what your 'heroes' the Taliban do to women AND children.

    Your 'heroes' give children sweets and money, booby trap them and tell them to walk up to ISAF and Afghan soldiers. Then your 'brave' Taliban set off the bomb (from a very safe distance), killing the child outright, and hoping that they will kill a few soldiers too.

    The difference is OBVIOUS to anyone with even a smattering of intelligence.

    The UK follows international law that requires that the military does everything it can to avoid civilian casualties.

    The Taliban DELIBERATELY target women and children in a reign of terror.

    Yet you support the people who deliberately target women and children.

    Tell me. How many women and children were murdered by the Argentine government?

    How many native Amerindian women and children are still dying at the hands of the greedy Argentine government?

    Look on with envy as the UK shows the world how dedicated it is to defending itself, it's people AND other defenceless people from the aspiring imperialism of countries like Argentina.

    Although with politicians like the current crop in Argentina, the only ones in danger are the people of Argentina.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    That's right steverina....ignore the question and try to twist reality in your own demented world. As CaptainSilver asked.......what has Argenturdina provided to ANY world's natural disaster's?

    NOTHING.......the great humanitarians that you turds are. The SS Argentina hit the iceberg and now their fate is unfolding on a daily basis. Christmas looting sprees , police strikes, riots, blackouts. You will soon reach the point of negative buoyancy......and their are only a few life rafts. Good thing you already fled your motherland.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    And you, in your ignorance and TV watching, think that you are fighting talibans in Afghanistan. Talibans are just a minority and what you are fighting are Afghans wishing to be free from mainly you lot. You see, they don't see their dead kids as “collateral damage” but for what it really is. Murder. By you lot.
    I don't see any Talibans bombing London, I see Londoners bombing London.
    You lot always point at your victims, calling them terrorists for defending themselves from you. “Collateral damage”... The only collateral damage here is in your heads for watching your reality TV...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #84
    I keep asking and you keep avoiding my question.
    Supply us with verifiable details of a concerted program by the UK to bomb women and children in Afghanistan and explain how YOUR rationale is to the UK's advantage.
    Please also supply details of the resources we are “plundering” in Afghanistan AND what commercial advantage we gained in the war in Iraq. As far as I know, every other country BUT the UK is doing commercially quite well out there.
    As to valuable resources we are plundering in the Falklands, what are they ?
    To quote the vernacular, ”either put up or shut up !

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Oil, oil and oil. In Afghanistans case, look at the production of opium since you lot arrived. Coincidence, I know. Just like Colombia...
    Explain to me why, if it's like you say and the UK are there to combat religious extremism and protect women rights, your best buddies in the area are Saudi Arabia. The biggest religious downwards country in the Middle East, where the women has little to no rights whatsoever.
    Explain to me, if you are so in the right, why did your leaders feel they needed to base their odyssey of chivalry on an outright lie.
    To put it simple, stop bombing children!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    Stevie - prove it. If you can't then stfu

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #86
    So, we are making money out of producing and buying opium ?.
    Your evidence for this is ?
    Oil, Oil. In Afghanistan. I must have missed this one !
    We are not there to combat religious extremism per se.
    We were there to stop the country being used as a base for terrorism against the West...and by default Argentina and Uruguay.
    Since then, no attack against the west has been organised from there.
    We have a folorn hope that democracy...not Marxist despotism...will prevail and the country can be left on a stable footing.

    I am no lover of Saudi Arabia but they are no threat to the UK.
    As to “stop bombing children” nobody would disagree with that BUT you still have not supplied details of an organised policy by the UK military making this a prime objective.
    You are spouting the old Marxist claptrap using emotive phrases conjured up with next to no proof. As I said, supply me with proof that this is the case.
    I checked the oil sales from Iraq and the bulk of oil is going to China and the Far East. How does this benefit the UK ?
    Afghanistan has started producing oil run and owned by China.
    The advantage to the UK being.? Of course, we get to protect the drilling sites and pipeline routes at OUR expense in money and lives.
    From the above FACTS, even YOU can see that we are an altruistic country !!!!
    By the way, there is a coalition of countries involved in Afghanistan. It is symptomatic of your broken ideology that the UK is the only one singled out for your bile. So much for your objective reasoning.
    As I have said in other posts, go back to Uruguay and start the revolution instead of pontificating from a safe distance.
    Stand in the Plaza Independencia in Montevideo, on your soapbox and harangue the public. POWER TO THE PEOPLE !! The best of luck !

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    Stevie - I'm still waiting for proof!!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22058455

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22058455

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22058455

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22058455

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22058455 - Sometimes abusing children is enough, isn't it?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22058455 - You lot put them there, your responsability.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22058455

    You need me to continue?

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Clyde don't waster typing. steverina supports terrorism. Have you one since him denounce Taliban and the AL Qaeda and there tactics of using children and women and killing them, tossing acid on there faces for going to school? Just once? She should visit the middle east

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I hereby condemn the tactics of the “Talibans” in their struggle to free their nation from the invaders, killing women and children in the process.

    It STILL doesn't justify you lot bombing kids!!!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    @90 Stevie

    Do you ever read the links that you post?

    “But the Taliban said anyone supporting President Hamid Karzai's Western-backed government was a legitimate target.
    ”We never consider those people as civilians who are directly involved in our country's occupation and work with sensitive organs of the enemy,“ Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said in an emailed statement.”

    Also, as has been pointed out on many occasion, there are currently 47 countries contributing troops in Afghanistan at the moment - including your friends in Sweden and Denmark.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    most were proved non and void,
    no grounds whatsoever,

    having said that,
    did not Argentina have a dirty war, where thousands were killed..
    and that was her own people..

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    Stevie,
    How is Clyde any more responsible than you for “collateral” damage in Afghanistan, considering:

    1) The UN security council unanimously passed resolution 1386 authorizing the formation of ISAF. LatAm and the Caribbean was represented on the council by Colombia and Jamaica.

    2) Your adopted country, Denmark, was one of the most active (per capita) participants in the ISAF.

    The taxes you pay in Denmark buy weapons that kill Afghan children.
    So whether you are Danish or Uruguayan, “you” participated every bit as much as Clyde.

    You have blood on your hands Stevie!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I do indeed, Condorito.
    Hence it is my duty to do what I can in order to stop that farce called “war on terrorism”, as I refuse to be a terrorist or have my name used in such a manner.
    Fogh Rasmussen got his position in NATO for the efforts, the Danes got nothing but hatred back. Britains Tony Blair got his position as knight of doom, Britain got a huge bill and religious mo-fo's killing civilians on British soil.
    You defend the Corporations in killing civilians, be them from Afghanistan, Iraq or Britain. Because Britain is getting fook all from this illegal wars, the only ones making money are the big enterprises, the ones to extract the stolen oil and sell it to China, the ones to build their profit on reconstructing what they themselves destroyed. The ones to sell weapons to those whom they later call terrorists.
    Shame on you lot. Shame on you!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    Stevie, still waiting for proof - the articles you cite do not in any way indicate a systematic intent by the UK to kill women and children. In fact they hardly mention the UK at all.

    However, if you are ever able to provide PROOF of your claims I will support you on this thread. Until then I can only assume that
    you are a LIAR.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    What does it matter if you lot kill children as “collateral damage” or on purpose? Do you think the surviving family members care for the difference? Would you?
    In EVERY war women and children are the ones to die like flies, because they are defenceless. Now you send drones on them.
    You Guys KNOW this, you even have a name for it; Collateral damage. Victims of war.
    No!
    They are YOUR victims. YOU bring the war!!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @Stevie
    “Shame on you lot. Shame on you!”

    but you have just acknowledged that you are as much a contributor as much as anyone else on here (except me, 'cause my taxes don't go there), so ...

    Shame on you too. Shame on you!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Well Condorito, at least I don't defend the atrocities, like you lot...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    That's convenient isn't it.

    Blaming everyone else won't change the fact that your Danish taxes put as much blood on your hands as “that lot”. Wringing your hands won't change that, you need to take much more drastic action Stevie.

    Rage against the Machine Stevie!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I'll do that, in bt.dk, eb.dk, jyllandsposten and the rest of the Danish media that, just like you lot, are struggling to justify their war crimes commited in the Middle East.
    This is a British site, and as a vassal state to the US, hear your truths.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    steverina.......nice to see you “qualify” denouncing Taliban tactics, yet total support for the Al Qaeda.

    Ok......now tell us ALL this twithead......you may be too stupid to know this. When they moved into Afghanistan LONG before NATO or ANYONE free nation occupied it. How do you justify their actions then when they were not so called “freedom fighters”? You post stupider by the post if you think the Taliban organized to free ”invaders. It's obvious you've never read of them destroying thousands of years old shrines, beheading women to speaking when no spoken to.
    While one innocent person dying in collateral damage is too much. It is better their innocent women and children than our women and children.

    Present total facts....not selective facts.

    So lets recap:

    Taliban exists to fight off invaders-false
    You know nothing of there actions prior to 9/11-true
    You still support the Al Qaeda=true
    You think NATO troops target innocent people-true
    You never post anything about the murderous bombings killing innocent people and almost NEVER kill the troops-true
    You post selective facts-true
    You are exiled from your country because daddy was a terrorists-true

    and lastly.....you continue to defend all the actions, suicide bombing, killing innocent people of your fellow terrorists-true.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Poppy
    So it's either Taliban extremists, or western extremists in the pot for Afghanistan, you say?
    Me not supporting you lot in killing women and children doesn't mean I support Al-Qaeda.
    YOU lot support Al-Qaeda, for every child you kill you make that awful organisation even bigger.
    Build schools instead of bombing them, and you'll see a diminished Al-Qaeda.
    As it is now, it's pest or colera for the Afghani population.

    And NO death of children can be excused, only in your fascist world.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    Well Stevie why don't you go to Afganistan and help build some schools - or are just a lot of abusive hot air !

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    So, either you go to Afghanistan and build schools, or you bomb their citizens...
    Is that your logic? Why not leaving them alone to sort their own issues? Nobody is attacking the UK for assasinating David Kelly, after all...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @92 Stevie

    The western world bears some responsibility for the instability and violence that Afghanistan has endured since the Soviet invasion in '79. Most of that belongs to the United States, and much of that has to do with the law of unintended consequences - partly inspired by genuine compassion and hatred of Soviet-style communism ( Senator Charlie Wilson ) - and partly as revenge ( the C.I.A. ) for Soviet assistance of the North Vietnamese Army. A lot U.S. G.I.'s were killed by AK47's.

    After the Soviets left Pakistan decided it didn't like the power-sharing arrangement that the anti-Soviet militia's and mujahadeen had agreed to and created their own militia - the Taliban. They supplied the arms and trained their fighters and Saudi Arabia funded them.

    Without this assistance there is no way Al Qaeda would've ever have survived in Afghanistan, let alone been able to launch an attack on the United States. Even after the U.S. led invasion of Afghanistan many I.S.I. agents and Pakistani soldiers were working side by side with the Taliban. They were airlifted from the north before U.S. forces could arrive.

    Many countries have contributed to the many tragedies that have occured in Afghanistan - I haven't even mentioned Iran - but he bulk of the blame belongs IMHO to Pakistani nationalism and their own desire for regional hegemony.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    steverina, you have a perverse sense of logic. No one in their right mind supports any killing, and more than anyone, former soldiers let alone innocent people. Apparently your terrorist father taught you that the world is either “this” or “that”, black or white, “big” or “little”. You need to toss dear olds dad's perverse POV's, take off your sunglasses and see the world for everything else it has......with everything else that exists in the middle.

    “Why not leaving them alone to sort their own issues? Nobody is attacking the UK for assasinating David Kelly, after all...”

    You are simple minded to think this is how the world works. Why not tell your commie comrades in Veneztina to stop sending oil to Cuba, Bolivia etc and let them handle their own problems and dig them selves out of their own holes. Tell Madura to take care of his own people first, rather then running the country into oblivion?

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Heisen, I agree with most of your post, except that the Mujahadeen being the Talibans.
    The Mujahadeens where believers in Islam that fought/fights a Jihad. And no, I don't agree with religious wars.
    The Talibans are a group belonging to certain Afghani/Pakistani warlords that came up as victorious in the Afghani civil war. Much thanks to the contributions of USA, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
    The fact that the cat is an animal doesn't make all animals cats.

    Poppy
    Stop defending your country in killing women and children, is that so hard to grasp?

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    A UN report on Afghanistan - well worth reading

    “”Our challenge is to help the Afghans help themselves,“ Mr. Annan added, describing the country's reconstruction needs as immense. They include the reintegration of former combatants; revival of economic activity; a fairer justice system, democratic institutions and mechanisms to protect human rights; such basic serves as clean water, sanitation, schools, health care and roads; ensuring the country is no longer a haven for terrorists or drug traffickers; ending violence against women; protecting children's' rights; and ensuring security throughout the country.”

    http://www.un.org/News/dh/latest/afghan/un-afghan-history.shtml

    Stevie stop being such a idiot

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Sure Leiard, and the medicine is sending drones, right?
    Stop being such a hypocrit...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Musky

    @106 Stevie
    Taliban and extremists of their kind are not confined within Afghanistan but they provide a shelter. These people are responsible for 911, responsible for the 7/7 attack in the uk, attacks all over the place, so we cannot sit back and allow them to fine tune their skills, pursue their ambitions to annihilate the western world to produce a caliphate (did I spell that right) to subdue your right to free speech, freedom of religion and self determination. Non belligerent casualties are bad news, not denying it but better to fight a way on their turf than ours or yours.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    And who stops you lot from sacking the entire “third world”.
    Because you lot are responsible for Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, and , in the past, Vietnam, Korea, Brasil, Paraguay, Uruguay, Chile, Argentina, Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, El Salvador...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Steverina.....your daddy would be proud he raised such an indoctrinated terrorists daughter. Miss your homeland from the 1st world comforts of Europe?

    Have you ever been in the middle east and seen the aftermath of these extreme terrorists?

    I did not think so. Some freedom fighter you are. I would refer to you as a had been, but you never were anything to be a has been.

    BTW.....I will not stop defending my country killing the enemy with collateral death of the innocence over the death of my innocent country.

    When I carried weapons.....the motto we had and not “ De Opressor Liber”, rather “kill them before they kill us”.

    Still rings true.

    As I said before.....one dead innocent person is too many. However, I rather it be their dead children than ours.

    I hope your host country in Europe has been gracious in providing all the creature comforts you would never have back in your homeland.

    Here are your freedom fighters. What do you suppose they were after killing children in a school bus? The motive was to prevent education?

    http://muslimmatters.org/2011/09/14/taliban-attack-school-bus-kill-4-children-peshawar-pakistan-dawn-com/

    You really have a strange sense of values.......terrorist values.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Yes, Poppy, I'm sure you had excellent excuses to send Mitrione to torture our students.

    We had ours to send him back...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Man you really are all over the place...diverting, distracting......focus chica......focus.

    At any rate........Mitrione's fate was of no concern of mine.

    When will you return?

    BTW....do not forget to thank your gracious host country for allowing a terrorist to live in exile there.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    Stevie, still waiting for proof!!!!!

    My country has never killed a single woman or child in Afghanistan.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    How convenient of you!
    Try projecting that thought to the rest of the world, because the fate of the “third world” shouldn't be of your concern either.

    You want to avoid terrorism on your own soil? Stop aiding terrorists in Israel then...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Musky

    @113 Stevie
    Oh dear, you forgot Palestine. So, The Ottoman Empire declares war on Britain in WW1 - hmm, that was nice. Britain through attrition breaks up the Ottoman Empire and is left to deal with the aftermath and through an organisation called the League of Nations, legitimately controlled Palestine, the L & N also sanctioned the creation of Israel. So get your facts right and follow history... difficult for Argentines I know.

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  • Stevie

    Damn you lot are stuck in history. Try grasping this; Stop aiding terrorists in Israel TODAY. Stop killing women and children TODAY. Vassal states or leaching ones, all of you.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    Stevie

    You do realise that the majority of Taliban are foreigners to Afganistan, don't you? You do realise that they are as much 'foreigners' to the people of Afghanistan as ISAF troops?

    The main difference is that ISAF are training the AFGHANISTANI security forces so they can defend the PEOPLE from your foreign born Taliban, and then ISAF will leave.

    The Taliban are there to IMPOSE foreign rule on the people of Afghanistan through a reign of terror.

    The fact that you can't see the difference is very telling of your character.

    Yet nothing you have written in anyway deflects from the FACT that the UK Armed Forces are so far ahead of anything South America has, especially your precious Argentina, that you are actually embarrassed AND green with envy.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Yes, LEP, I'm green with envy every time you lot kill another child...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Man...now Israel........did you forget your ADHD meds to little steverina? You are all over the globe you poor bastard. Well probably not poor, you do live in Europe.

    “because the fate of the “third world” shouldn't be of your concern either.”

    Actually it's not my concern. However it is my countries and the concern of many other countries as well. It must be frustrating being the bastard son of an exiled terrorist. Your believes are so shallow and empty that you are afraid to return to your homeland to make changes that you think you believe in and live by. You cannot materialize into reality and incapable of practicing what you preach. Yet you continue to preach to those here on this website, the best you can do. DO not fret, we are not laughing at you, we are merely laughing with you.

    Your incompetent statements could not be farther from reality.

    Musky.....the LoN and UN only work for these terrorists like stevie when it fits their needs.....convenience.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Attack my person, by all means. Just stop killing women and children in you sacking of “third world” nations.
    And you will. You might squeak, twist and turn in your attempts to continue the farce, but the world is saying no...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #90
    I gave you the courtesy of looking at all the references you quoted
    Where is the UK specifically mentioned?
    A few referred to specific cases against British troops which were being dealt with under military law.

    The rest seemed to refer to Afghanis or Talibans killing and torturing their own people. A very “selective ” slant on the news on your point.
    There has been an increase in civilian deaths from bombs and booby traps. Where does it say that these were aerial bombs dropped by the RAF. Nowhere does it say that there is a policy of targeting women and children by UK forces. That is your own made up interpretation to fit in with your biased view.
    Where is your proof that the UK assassinated David Kelly
    This is in the same vein as...“the SAS killed Princess Diana”.
    I am also waiting to hear how the UK has profited financially in Iraq and Afghanistan. I gave you some facts in another post.

    Also, the UK was responsible in Vietnam, Korea, Brasil, Paraguay, Uruguay, Chile, Argentina, Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, El Salvador...
    You have missed out the Cook Islands and Fiji.
    Well it's nice to know that you are an admirer of N.Korea !! Were we in Vietnam...I don't think so. Proof required on that one please.
    As for the rest, you must have a different history book to mine.

    As I keep saying, go back to Uruguay and help out your own country instead of telling everyone else what to do....incorrectly.
    Once you have done that, we may listen to you.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I must say that at least your daddy had character and the conviction of his believes. You whine and do nothing .......all the way over in a wonderful country that is taking care of you.

    Of course the world is saying no, no to Iran, no to the Taliban, no to DPNK.....you true idol. You remind me of the extreme politicians who are assigned the “talking point of the day” ......lol

    Sacking is a nice touch too. Want to know something little stevie.......I will be in Uruguay before you. Give me you address and I will send you a post card in February......unless the postal system is like Argentina, no mailboxes and you have to wait in line to send mail. Enjoy the beaches.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You lot might need wikileaks proof in order to accept reality. The rest of us have seen this movie before on numerous occasions, as we have heard your excuses.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Enough of speaking for the the world, it's your opinion and possibly the opinion of the minority with the same political agenda as you.

    That's it and it hardly constitutes the world.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Wikileaks...................Bahahahahahahahahahaha. Keep watching your movies........your soapbox is coming to an end. You want to know the real sadness in Mitrione? He missed daddy and another bastard hit the world with their hands open.

    Listen to RC, all you speak of is not even a UN issue. Go back to your homeland and practice what you preach, or fade away choking your chicken, just leave your seed die.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/26/afghanistan-civilians-ministry-defence-wikileaks

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/26/afghanistan-civilians-ministry-defence-wikileaks

    See?
    Told you we've all seen this movie before...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yawn!!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    16 kids killed by professional troops, invading their homes.

    And you yawn.

    Aren't you just a sad excuse of a human project that went terribly wrong. What an abortion your parents missed out on...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    lol I couldn't expect less from you lot......#9512A252ak3

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Oh excuse me!!!!!!!!!!

    Two UK broadsheets, that's it?

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-civilian-deaths-rules-engagement

    Is this systematic enough for you?

    You asked for proof. Well, there you go.

    Sheep.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Guardian circulation 180.000.

    Beano circulation 120.000.

    Bhaaaaa!!!!!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Sure RC, it's ok to systematically kill women and children, because Beano has almost the se circulation as the Guardian...

    Your logic is only surpassed by your idiocy...

    Sheep.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    You base your comments on an editorial in a UK Broadsheet with the circualtation comparable to that of a UK childrens comic and you call me an idiot!

    PMSL.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You really have no other comments on the matter other than “as I don't get the Guardian in my mailbox, it's ok to kill women and children in the Middle East”?

    And I would never call you an idiot, I know a couple of idiots and even they have more regard for human life than you lot.

    You are a sheep. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    That's us.

    If the Fleece fits, wear it!

    http://www.kulfoto.com/funny-pictures/24250/wolf-in-sheeps-c...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    The only thing your guarde has in common with wolves is that both of you are on the verge of extinction. One more generation and the world has finally got rid of you lot. Of course there will be a few renegades, but all on all, you lot are finished.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    “One more generation and the world has finally got rid of you lot.”

    Erm! and you have been what? accusing us of deliberately killing women and children.

    Oh man, oh man, the sublime hypocricy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Too funny for words.

    I am out of here, you have lost the plot, big time.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I'm feeling quite confident I backed my statements with proof, at the same time you backed yours stating you don't receive the Guardian in your mailbox...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    Wow, 143 comments and half seem to be from Stevie.

    Seems few things get Stevie going like an article on military hardware.
    He loves it.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Condo- It's his assigned talking point of the day. To justify the actions of the taliban and al qaeda and to disparage that actions of pro-action defense. He's just very depressed his terrorist allies are dying like flies around a horses ass.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    How sad of you having to brand children as terrorist so you can kill them off like flies, without remorse...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @143

    I'm feeling quite confident I backed my statements with proof, at the same time you backed yours stating you don't receive the Guardian in your mailbox...

    Uh no! don't believe I stated any such thing, whilst true, I am fairly certain I would remember stating it, but please, feel free to direct me to the post in question.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Well, your argument was that the Guardian has few more copies than your favorite news source, hence it is ok to kill women and children in the Middle East.
    Or you meant something else entirely. Mayhap your post was merely informative?

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    RC don't fall into that insidious morons games of rationalizing the existence of Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Look at the dates of those posts. Besides age does he think that war is clean? stevie ask you terrorist daddy.....oops, he's dead.
    All he can talk about is the evil countries, 1st world one at thought (anomosity and jealousy....she any 3rd world he hates?), who are defending themselves from terrorists, real....competent terrorist and not like his incompetent dad's fellow clowns. Talk about the Taliban?

    http://www.information-entertainment.com/Politics/article3.html

    They love peeling the face down to the bone, muscle and ligaments. You can actually see the skull......and they are still ALIVE. It's not worth it for a 10 year old girl to go to school with the chance of that happening because she is suppose to obey and fuck and make babies...that's it.
    2013:
    http://www.information-entertainment.com/Politics/article3.html

    1997 before 9/11:

    http://www.information-entertainment.com/Politics/article3.html

    2013:
    http://www.information-entertainment.com/Politics/article3.html

    http://www.information-entertainment.com/Politics/article3.html

    For the sake of humanity....stop supporting the Taliban and al qaeda. Just because your dad was an incompetent terrorist does not give your the right to support terrorism.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I don't support terrorism at all. I've never said anything good about Taleban or Al-Qaeda. You on the other hand, support Saudi Arabia and their abuse of women, following a political agenda. You don't care for the Saudi women as long as the Saudi royals are your best buddies.
    Stop that selective hypocrisy, it suits you... Well, it does suit you, but it's plain wrong and obvious...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Show me one single post where I support Saudia Arabi or stop making things up that I do not say. You problem of being a stupid person is you broad stroke “ one for all and all for one”. One person is not a country and a country is not one person.

    You on the other, denounce and call USA, UK etc murderers for fighting terrorism and preventing more 9/11 and 7/11 from taking place and growing new breeding grounds. Wars happen, innocent people die by mistake and life sucks. Your stupidity is your inability to differentiate between targeting innocent children and women where most often your allies...the taliban and al qaeda hides and your allies...the taliban and al qaeda that you so love...targeting them and enforcing their ways on children and women.
    You're sad and pathetic...and I have a train to catch.

    PS
    Perhaps there's some old pics of your buddies work. Like when they rape a 5 year old girl and she dies of internal hemorrhaging...

    At any right........The Brits will kick the living shits out you pissants .....so stop living in the past thinking the Falklands are your's.

    And kiss the ass of all the citizens in your new homeland that took in a terrorist in exile. They were certainly too kind.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Show me a single post where I defend the Taleban or Al-Qaeda.
    Your country is an ally of Saudi Arabia, mine is certainly not one of neither the Taleban or Al-Qaeda.
    Wars don't “happen”, somebody initiates them, most often your country.
    And not to protect anybody but your own greedy interest. It has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with profit, otherwise you lot wouldn't be dancing with Saudi royalty.

    And by the way, your 9/11 is their 24/7...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    You're a person (presumably) without a country. You live in exile stevie....Europe.....are you forgetting your previous posts? Unless you are calling that European country you new homeland.
    You are sad

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Stevie

    Your 'opium post' earlier, shows how you seem to be really reaching to try and blame all ills on the UK.

    Contrary to what you said, increased Opium production in Afghanistan is NOT an attempt by the UK, US, EU, to steal and profit from the 'resources' of the Afghans.

    In fact, Western governments have SPENT billions to try and eradicate that scourge, but in contrast, Afghan Warlords and surprise!!, the TALIBAN have profited well !!

    Opium

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/13/world/asia/afghan-opium-cultivation-and-production-seen-rising.html

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/13/world/asia/afghan-opium-cultivation-and-production-seen-rising.html

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/13/world/asia/afghan-opium-cultivation-and-production-seen-rising.html

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/13/world/asia/afghan-opium-cultivation-and-production-seen-rising.html

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    The UK hardly invests in anything else nowadays. No wonder - it lacks other industries and is a nation fed but blood and tears throughout its history.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    155 forget it '87

    Forget you, parroting pure mindless baseless dogma.

    yawnnnn

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    should'nt that be purile mindless baseless dogma?

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    It gets under a lot of people's skin, though.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    157

    LOL !!!

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Musky

    @155 forgetit87
    Mindless clap trap, just like Stevie. You think you sit on the moral high ground, which is hilarious. So we cannot talk or do business with Saudi Arabia because of its attitude to women? Dear oh dear, should we stop talking to most of the middle east too or indeed any other country giving a raw deal to its subjects, like south american countries and the destruction of its indigenous peoples? Should we stop talking to Burma because of the racial tensions between Buddhists and Hindus?
    Perhaps we should stop doing business in Britain completely. We have women subjugated by their husbands into wearing Burkkas, but we have to be tolerant of these religions. We don't like these practices and more and more, our laws and culture will reduce the problem (personally I'd shoot the husbands). Not everything is black and white. So we talk to Saudi Arabia, its oil (and our own) is the foundation of the western world (lest we all go back to the dark ages). We had a big part in creating Saudi, following Britain's efforts in collapsing the Ottoman Empire because it declared war on Britain in WW1. It's a complex world.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    No need to stop talking to the Saudis, just stop using the women as an excuse for sacking the neighbouring countries...

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    Steve : I am assuming you are an argie ?
    Isn't Cristina very pally these days with Iran ?
    You know , that progressive country that stones women to death and hangs rape victims of 12 for sex outside marriage ?

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You assume wrongly...

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #162....Uruguayan exiled to Europe because his dad was a terrorist.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    ...And meanwhile the Briishs families are getting poorer.....as was the debate on Food banks yesterday in the Commons where Torrie MPs sneered and laughed at stories of starving British people....
    www.co.uk/news/uk-news/food-banks-debate-video-iain-2941100

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Actually Poppy, in Europe they voted if the Tupas were terrorists or not, before accepting political refugees.
    You can imagine what the outcome was, as they were accepted everywhere except in USA, a country that brands children as terrorists in order to bomb them without remorse, a country that holds civilians as prisoners for over a decade without trial, a country that uses torture as a way of getting information, a country that invades sovereign nations for natural resources, a country that has school shootouts as a national sport, the only country in history to have bombed civilians with atomic bombs.

    A country of terrorists.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/food-banks-debate-video-iain-2941100
    I made a mistake before.....if not google..uk food bank debate...total disgrace of these politicians!!

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Children going to bed hungry is something that only happens in the “third world”, sunshine. In the UK it's merely perceived hunger...

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 166 Stevie

    Oh dear, wrong again Stevie:

    US Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO): NO
    Terrorist Exclusion List (TEL); NO

    So you owe the US an apology.

    The Tupamaros only got to the limited membership that they eventually attained (3,000 in 3 million) because of the dithering of the legitimate government of Uruguay over what to do with them and the actual measure of support from the population (mediocre at best).

    After your mom and dad plus Pepe murdered people they eventually let the military have a go. I will tell you this: it’s a damn good job “for you lot” that I was not the commanding officer. There would be no Tupamaros then or now, and it would not have taken SIX bullets NOT to kill the commie bustard that is now president and no mommy or daddy for you. AND you know I would have done it, never doubt it.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Chris, you would've talked us to death... But even so, a Tupamaros holds the Presidency. Use that as a measure of the popularity of the organization.
    Your 3000 is made up by you, as not even the Tupas knew how many members they had, a crucial aspect because of the torturing.
    Try again ;)

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    stevie you're like a titmouse scurrying away in a field being chased by a cat. Now WWII? Next you will equate Fatman and Little Boy with they way your heros carried out the final solution. You compare that to the Bataan death march......you're an idiot to the xth degree. You are so proud of Uruguay than GO HOME or shut the fuck up.

    You talk shit and walk none of it.
    A man(presumably) with a paper asshole.

    I would like to see where the USA brands children as terrorists? I have no compunction in using whatever means is necessary to extract information that may save lives. And quite honestly I agree with Chris when it comes to fighting. I would have killed every last one of them. I never believed in POW's unless there was a remote chance of extracting information. But.....at any rate.........you need to check with state on the classification of the tupamaros.....despite all the murdering they amassed.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    and meanwhile shoppers are fighting over discounted food in supermarkets to feed their families.This is not Argentina this is GREAT BRITAIN...let´s spend another
    2 billion on defence...
    www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2526191/Fight-breaks-cut-price-fruit-veg-Tesco-forced-lay-extra-security-staff-deal-bargain-hunters.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Of course you are proud, Poppy.
    After all, you are one of them and it is your lot...
    Proud of bombing children.
    Proud of torturing human beings.
    Proud of being a common thief.

    What else can you do than to be proud...

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 170 Stevie
    “Your 3000 is made up by you, as not even the Tupas knew how many members they had, a crucial aspect because of the torturing. Try again ;)”

    Yes, I understand the need for security when the murderous actions of the Tupamaros pushed the state to let the military loose on them and the death squads and torture that came with it.

    However I did not make the number up but I cannot find which publication I used as the source, sorry. There is another source, Latin American History, written by Christopher Minster, a Yank gone native after he obtained a PhD in Spanish. He has written a very soft piece about the Tupamaros and he quotes “up to 5,000 members” but that may be puffed because of his love of the history of LatAm.

    The military death squads were, in my judgment, either emasculated or ineffective, as they failed to get rid of the real problems – the Tupamaros hierarchy despite the successes that torture gave the military in having the real names of the leaders. Poor leadership by those in command.

    Point your finger at me as much as you want: just be glad I was not in control of the army, I would not be fucking about I can assure you.

    I just love how the rump of these those that escaped the bullet now want the law on immunity for the military removed, but not for the commie bastards who caused the problems: Pepe’s head on a plate anybody?

    Ha, ha, ha.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Not answering a single question to your claims speaks volumes of the smoke and manure you preach young man.

    Is this you concept of debate.....ignoring everything asked of you and your “facts”

    My offer still stands to send you a post card from Punta del este....assuming I get to BsAs and the electricity will be on......it's been a few days now and many are still without.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Chris, old Chris...
    Gallego Mas Mas would've enjoyed you. I got to admit, I can't pull a trigger knowing I'll end another human beings life, but you'd be getting the same return ticket Mitrione got.
    You see, people like Mas Mas never talked like you do...

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    you must admit.....Mitrione provided a great return on the investment. the ratio was......one Mitrione to how many insignificant's?

    It pulling a trigger bothers you to kill anyone, afterall it is freaking loud and boring, there a more ways up close and personal and a hell of a lot more quiet. But stay away from your buddies way, the Taliban because it's loud, messy and clumsy.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Don't know Poppy, he killed 2 poor fellows from the street demonstrating his tactics. But please feel free to send as many Mitriones as you wish, we'll make sure to send them back...
    If you think killing poor people from the street is a great return of investment, well, what can I say...

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    169 ChrisR

    Oh how you must miss the dictatorship and the extra judicial executions. It seems that probably your real opposition to Mujica is because he was in opposition to such excesses. That you are a little to the right of Attila the Hun is no surprise. But when I need a chuckle I shall enjoy looking forward to your ludicrous rants from the fascist right. As I enjoy equally the biased mutterings of the 'loony-left' or 'loony-right'. They were not apparently the initiators but the respondents thus:

    “The Tupamaro... ... it abstained from armed actions and violence; they have always made clear about not being a guerrilla group but a political movement; the eventual use of violent means would be made according to strategy and possibilities. In June 1968, President Jorge Pacheco, trying to suppress labour unrest, enforced a state of emergency and repealed all constitutional safeguards. The government imprisoned political dissidents, used torture during interrogations and brutally repressed demonstrations The Tupamaro movement engaged then in political kidnappings, ”armed propaganda“ and assassinations.”

    Your so called “because of the dithering of the legitimate government of Uruguay”
    “The government imprisoned political dissidents, used torture during interrogations and brutally repressed demonstrations.”

    So the governmen't hadn't moved enough to right in your opinion.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupamaros

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Terrence
    The “democratic” government had already sent the police to kill demonstrating students back in 1968, starting with Liber Arce.

    The death squads further killed poets, musicians and students with the green light of the “democratic” government.

    This happened all over SA, but of course the blame is on the Tupas...

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    We.....we...you're in Europe you are not part of that we. There is no WE......to you it's THEM. lololololololol

    Still bypassing all my questions. Common tactic when the truth is against you.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Poppy

    We.

    ;)

    And I've answered your questions plenty of times, you want me to post a link where US soldiers kills civilians from a helicopter, killing 2 kids and their father while at it?
    I'm quite sure the whole world has seen it by now though...
    Let me know if you need the link.

    ;)

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    You lie and you are in Uruguay?

    You've answered them? For starters where does the USA “brand” child as terrorist?

    You will never be more than the bastard your terrorist daddy brought into the world. I wonder if he even knew the woman he paid the night you were conceived.....assuming he paid. If she's still alive after a Tupamaros shag fest, do you think she saved the best part of you that ran down her leg?

    We....lol I like to pretend I am still part of the Army and use WE also.

    You cup your chest like a Silverback telling Chris he will be Mitrioned, yet you've the balls of a bed mite that your mom made her living in.

    I've seen death up close and personal.......tragic at first but nothing down the road. As I said, they kids dying are better than American kids dying.
    You'll be pleased to know friendly fire kills Americans as well.

    Find some balls.....oops....sorry....I forgot you're a 1st generation European and descendant from Uruguay. Balls are out of the question due to the latter.

    BTW:

    What makes the Tupamaros killing, kidnapping and bank robberies in the name of a communist WAY OF LIFE better than Americans, the UK and others killing for their way of life?

    Allow me time to get my shit shovel and boots before you answer.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Poppy
    You tilted... Let me go slow on you...
    The Tupas never attacked anyone, they defended themselves.
    Your country attacks at will, killing women and children in the process, and the fire is anything but friendly.
    You really don't want the link of your countrymen killing children from a chopper?
    It's freely available, you don't have to pay anything but attention...

    WE never did anything like that, that's just not justifyable, no matter what way of life you believe in...

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Why would I need a link when I've seen first hand the horrors of armed conflict. Send the link where the USA brands child as terrorist instead?

    you win stevie......your twisted and slanted half truths about the pussies that run your dad's former country, now controlled by Argentina and half truths and biased on the rest of the world is nauseating.

    It's funny how biased people as yourself only see one singular POV. All things they do are reasonable and justified. The actions of those they do not agree with is not.

    You've bored me to death with your selective answered, half truths, partial facts. Most of all your naivety about the rightousness of the tupamaros and never killed, robbed or kidnapped.

    You'd really shit if I was ever able to tell you where was an adviser.

    Good day mancha de semen......think of me on the beach in your dad's homeland in February.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    How is it you guys say?
    Chuckle chuckle?
    You say you are in the Middle East fighting terrorism.
    I have provided plenty of proof where children are deliberately shot and killed, be it for lack of investigation or plainly because you lot don't care. And I'm not counting the chopper incident.
    And of course the Tupas did wrong. We killed Pascacio Baez with a lethal injection, his only crime being discovering our main tatucera. Awful decision and something we all have to live with. We also misjudged the response from the military when attacking the death squad, killing 4 of their members. That incident led to an entire family being slaughtered by the military, the Martirena's. Their crime was having hidden some Tupas, amongst them Huidobro.

    Welcome to Uruguay, Poppy. Bring Kissinger with you.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 179 Pot-Head Hill

    Oh dear! Why the fascist right? The Blessed Margaret was not a fascist and nor am I.

    I wouldn’t put too much faith in wiki: it was written by people with a myth to support. If the Tupamaros had KEPT to their original creed then I would be the first to applaud them; but they did not. They robbed banks and gun shops and then kidnapped the British Ambassador only releasing him after 8 months and £49,000 paid in ransom.

    They then killed at least three people. But being a pot-head and not too bright (I wonder if it’s the drugs?) that was OK by you because THEY claimed they weren’t terrorists. Now in words that even you can understand: if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it ain’t a fucking chicken you moron.

    It wasn’t that they were not right enough, they hadn’t got the guts to deal with the problem and the Tupamaros couldn’t handle the military (being dead) and that left the way for military rule (thinking ahead was not an asset they had, just like now). What else do you expect the military to do? No established government left (Bordaberry ring a bell?) and only the commie bastards they had just defeated! You are about as bright as Stevie and the drunken Defence Minister who WOULD have fought against the Falklands but he was in jail.

    FFS stop with the drugs and get real for your own sake.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Chris
    Your “democratic” government started killing students in -68. Now, we all know you would hide under the table, should it happen again, but not all thinks and acts like you.
    The military rule happened all over SA, Uruguay isn't an isolated case, that was the plan. The Tupas tried to avoid it. What did you do? What would you have done? Nothing.
    So don't point your fingers at the ones that at least had the guts to fight that monster, paying with their lives so you can enjoy that beautiful country today.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    187 ChrisR

    Your own words have clarified your opinions abundantly, but of course after making a complete ass of yourself, you now attempt to extricate yourself by muddying the waters and engaging in an argumenta ad hominem. Incidentally, I've met some quite engaging people who have accepted the sobriquet of 'pot-head', the same can not be said of any fascists.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @161stevie

    No need to stop talking to the Saudis, just stop using the women as an excuse for sacking the neighbouring countries...

    “Sacking” the neighbouring countries???

    Stevie,
    You have a common theme you harp upon, as our old friend, Alex Vargas, aka “Pirat-Hunter”

    Surely, you remember him, he visited us a lot, back when you were “Guzz”.

    His recurring mantra was, “ UK and US murdering women and children in Afghanistan... ”, “stay out of SA”, “you don't belong there, it's ours”, etc.

    His Facebook site was full of La Campora, Campora Juvenil, YPF, CFK imagery,
    AND like you, the same political stances, “US & UK, stay out of Libya” images of Quadaffy captioned with slogans about the West only wanting their oil, “NATO allies leave Syria alone”, etc. etc.

    I'm not saying that Internet wackjob, Alex, is you, but your perspectives, issues, and causes, are exactly the same as a La Campora fanatic and the terrorist groups he follows.

    You seem to have the same agenda - from the same source.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Troy, that is fascinating...

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Almost as “fascinating” as your fantasy about UK/US “sacking” countries and trying to profit from their opium production...

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Troy I love your theory. Funny how Alex just faded away.....like Guzz, just around the birth of Stevie

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Troy
    I don't need proof for the opium, just look at the amounts produced prior to when you got there, and after. Look at Colombia.
    And the US are the biggest consumers by far.

    That's no coincidence, regardless of your rethoric.

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    Stevie , you do realize governments have to exert a certain amount control ?
    Your message of peace , love and happiness is all very commendable , but it didn't do 13 people in Argentina much good two weeks ago , did it ?
    By concentrating on the human rights of the violent minority , you deny the peaceful majority those same rights , condemning them to anarchy , corruption and crime .
    The majority then welcome tanks on the streets , as happened in 1955 and 1966 and 1976 in Argentina , not out of any political love for the military but simply a desire for law & order and economic stability .
    In the same way , terrorist bases in the M East have to be taken out so you can carry on your life in Denmark in peace .
    Men of violence do bad things in order to guarantee our right to spout drivel on here , never forget that .

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 188 Stevie
    “Your “democratic” government started killing students in -68.”

    WTF are you on about now?

    @ 189 Pot-Head Hill
    “I've met some quite engaging people who have accepted the sobriquet of 'pot-head',”

    Of course you have dear, especially when you have been out of your head as well.

    What is it with fascists? Your mother shagged by one and you were the result? There must be some hang-up that you have apart from drugs that keeps you coming back to it. Do tell!

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Chris
    Liber Arce, check him up, don't be so selective in your googling.
    While you're at it, check Ibero Gutierrez.

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 197 Stevie

    My democratic government in 1968 was the UK. Apart from “Sink the Bismarck” I didn’t know that Uruguay existed until the last few years. Didn’t Uruguay have laws to prevent those disgraceful incidents? Or did he bribe somebody like Pepe got bribed over the Pluna fiasco?

    For someone “who couldn’t pull the trigger to kill anybody” DON’T confuse me with your inability to defend your family. I have never hidden in my life and most certainly never from a fight, verbal or the other sort.

    You see, one of my uncles was a boxing champ in the army and when I was young let me into a little secret which fits the LatAms very well. He told me that the trick to beating anybody was not to mind being hit by them and as long as you pictured that in your mind and hit THEM as hard as you could, they would go down and stay down. And isn’t that the truth? Oh, YOU wouldn’t KNOW, would you? Argies, the well known “Cowards of the Continent” (sounds like a good name for a song): Pepe “Chief arselicker to TMBOA and thereby Deputy Coward of the Continent” AND he was a Tupamaros. But the killer has to be the drunken “Defence Minister” aka The Mouse and one of your best friends: he made sure he was in jail before “volunteering” to fight in the Falklands. Dear me, Stevie, you can really pick the losers.

    So less of the taunting from a hypocrite like you. When you come back here to live (if you ever leave your wife, because she isn’t stupid and knows full well she is better off where she is) AND start paying taxes, THEN you can try your juvenile taunts and see where it gets you. How does that suit you?

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Great Chris, then enjoy our country and stay away from commenting our history, as you obviously don't have a single clue as to what you are talking about. I've heard your pitiful rethoric before and most probably, it comes from the guts of a rosadito friend of yours that did little else than hid behind the Tupas when things got rough and now he's justifying his cowardice blaming the same ones that at least had the courage to fight.

    Say hello from me, and know that even if I couldn't kill a man, I'd have little trouble in doing some weeding for the benefit of us all.

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    194 Stevie

    “Troy
    I don't need proof for the opium, just look at the amounts produced prior to when you got there, and after. Look at Colombia.
    And the US are the biggest consumers by far.

    That's no coincidence, regardless of your rethoric.”

    You can dismiss my 4 links to 3 news networks “rhetoric” if you feel you need to, but your statements make no sense, in fact they fly in the face of logic.

    Not only does comparing opium production before and after a war FAIL to PROVE your assertion that the West has increased its production for their own profit, but to say they invaded to steal this 'resource' from the Afghan people is ridiculous.

    Yes, there are many users in the US and EU, but those governments are $pending billions to prevent that, effective or not.
    The US/UK are NOT “Narco-states” like some places (perhaps you are confused with the opium wars in China, over 100 years ago?)

    Certainly, they are NOT harvesting opium in Afghanistan to sell to their own people , incurring huge Social Costs and monetary drain.
    How stupid you are to suggest that.

    The Afghan people are growing opium to survive, now that the war has disrupted normal economic activity and livelihoods.
    Who can blame them, they know they have a ready market - their own corrupt Warlords, and the Taliban, who need to continue to finance their war against the Allies and the Afghan government.

    What happened to the real Stevie??
    Perhaps you are Alex Vargas after all ?

    193 Captain Poppy

    Alex may have cleaned it up by now, but his FB site was chock full of images of photos of Taliban terrorists in civilian clothes, firing high-powered automatic weapons or sniper rifles on US and Canadian troops from bunkers and blinds.

    I'm sure “Stevie” would find no issue with that.

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Troy
    Of course you lot provide opium and cocaine to your own people.
    How come Evo is more successful fighting the drugs than USA in Colombia, with their military bases (7 of them)?
    You lot NEED junkies, alcoholics and social outcasts. After all, for a few to be very rich, a lot has to be very poor. Easy maths.
    There is no coincidence whatsoever that wherever your army sets a foot and stays, the narcotics production rockets and prospers.
    You can lie to yourself, but, how is it you say?
    If it looks like a duck...

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 199 Stevie

    I have met your type many times in industry and other areas that I won’t go in to.

    We have a saying in the UK about people like you: gobshites and you are the perfect example.

    You say WE when you mean Uruguay, et al, and you don’t live here, you don’t pay taxes here, and apart from your postal vote and talking on the phone to The Mouse and others of his ilk you have as much influence on the government as I do: NONE.

    You will fold up when challenged, particularly face to face AND especially if it looks like you might get a “slapping” as we call it. You KNOW I am right AND you know your wife is right when she doesn’t want to come back here with children of school age.

    Just answer this question honestly: where would you have been if you had been educated in Uruguay and how much would you have been earning.

    I know the answers of course. NOT working an RSV for US$150,000 a year and not having any real qualifications that main line international companies will accept.

    You may even have been one of “The Poor” looking to live in the Social Inclusion Programme that your Great Leader Pepe would “give” you. How do you think your sensible wife would have dealt with that? Probably not married you, she isn’t stupid.

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Let me ask her...

    ...

    ...

    She says she would've married you...

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    196 ChrisR

    Oh here comes the fascist who is apparently also the King of the Fallacies, as using the fallacy twice of abusive ad hominem. As far as I know I don't have any hang-ups as I have found myself more than adequate to deal with people. Unlike yourself that was correctly perceived by your neighbours as being an ineffective wimp, which is one of the reasons that you were robbed. Anyone with any moxy would have dealt with the situation themselves. Instead of wishing for a situation were the police would do your bidding and carry out summary extra-judical executions. So I call someone like you who wishes for an authoritarian government that operates outside the rule of law correctly a fascist, a can't think of a better definition.
    You have defined yourself perfectly as an inadequate wannabe, in trying to live-off the the perceived aura of an Uncle. It must be fun for such a loser like yourself trying to boo the world from behind your keyboard.
    You see when my oldest son was bullied by a gang when in grade-two, after school on the way home, and the school claimed it was off their property, so it wasn't their responsibility. I took him down to the basement and told him how I resolved the same situation when I was at school. Run just enough to let the first one get close enough, and then pop him, and continue until they are all defeated. They have bikes no problem, put six short sticks in your back pocket and insert through front wheel. Bingo! problem solved school phoned to object that a number of parents complained that their sons had been given a hiding. When I asked where the events occurred and they stated a public street, I pointed out it was nothing to do with them as it wasn't on school property. So that is how adequate people work out their problems and don't require the state to man-up for them.

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    201 Stevie

    “Of course you lot provide opium and cocaine to your own people.”

    It might be “National Agenda” in SA, but here, it's a crime.

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Opium:

    Top producer: Afghanistan
    Top consumer: USA
    Massive US military presence

    Cocaine:

    Top producer: Colombia
    Top consumer: USA
    Massive US military presence

    So Troy, either USA is.... No, there is no either.
    Fool yourself.

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    206 Stevie

    Columbia war on drugs and Communism

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/10/the-us-war-on-communism-drugs-and-terrorism-in-colombia/

    I've already given you 4 links to the US fighting opium in Afghanistan, and the Taliban profiting from it.

    The US in Afghanistan

    The US in Columbia

    In neither case is it US government policy to produce more drugs to turn a portion of their society into junkies and zombies

    Coincidence ??

    You sound ridiculous

    Dec 21st, 2013 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Sure Troy
    Evo isore successful in combatting narco trafficking than you lot.
    You telling me that wherever you lot set up a military camp and the drug production tenfolds, it's a sign of you lot combatting... what, exactly??

    Dec 21st, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    Aw look, Stevie is still jealous of the UK's new generation of submarines, so continues to DESPERATELY try and divert the thread.

    Aw diddums. It must be so frustrating for you for your country to be so impotent and unimportant.

    Dec 21st, 2013 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Mujica amongst the 16 most influential persons in the world, according to some western media. Elected “country of the year” by some English outlet.
    Quite fine for a country that has 3.5M people...

    Dec 21st, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 204 Pot-Head Hill

    Ha, ha, ha. Was that the best you could come up with, lies about me? I should stop taking the drugs, it was me and my mates who dealt with the problems, together with the threat of Terry Mellia.

    The difference between being beaten or beating the opponent is TRAINING. That is what my uncle did for me.

    BTW I loved the run-away, stop and hit the first one that gets to you. Only ONE problem: I would have been the first and at 17 YO, 17 stone (and NO fat – I was a weightlifter for a while) I would have floored the wimp and I would pay money to see somebody put short sticks through the wheels of a bike while it was going! Have you EVER seen that?

    No, you have just proven what a downright fantasist you are and I bet your son is now a Pot-Head to rival even you. You know what the saying is: “like father, like son”. Poor bastard, I bet you have really fucked his life with all the drug taking you do.

    No more fantasies please, they are too transparent.

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  • A_Voice

    This is so funny....both of you are fantasists....
    How tall are you Chris?
    17 YO and 17 stone...no fat....;-)))) ...you have got to be joking.
    I'm 6'2..just under 16 stone...do weights at the gyn every other day and have done it for decades and I still carry some fat....
    If I were to add another stone on in muscle I would need half again my calorific intake...about 5000 calories a day...
    For goodness sake...when Arnold took the Mr Olympia title he was 6'2” weighing 16 stone 11 pounds....no fat...
    You....17 Stone.....no fat...and did weights for a short while....hadaway and shite....

    ,,,and you Terry Hill....just pop the first one??....have you ever seen kids fight?...a tangle of arms and legs...one trying to get the other in a headlock...rolling about the floor with never a decent punch connecting....
    The net result of your fatherly advice would have got your kid with half a dozen kids on top of him......
    My advice from experience of being quite small until I sprouted at 16 .....RUN...all the way home and get a cricket bat and go for the biggest....works a treat...

    Dec 21st, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 212 A_Voice (NOT a fantasist, honestly)

    What are you a strip of liquorish? I was only 1in taller than you but clearly bulkier. I worked from the age of 15 part-time, every evening and all day Saturday and part of Sunday at a job that involved moving bulk groceries and barrels of cheese by hand. Unlike you I needed the money.

    BTW, you must have gone to a girls’ school if your description of the fights you were in were like that!

    However, I should carry on your experience at looking after yourself with Pot-Head Potter.

    His son needs it far more than me, that is, if he still has a functioning brain after all the drugs he must have had access to in the family home.

    You do make me laugh, first a high-sider off a real bike on a traffic island no less, then making your own version of a Triumph by getting the dealer to defraud Triumph for the bits and now you want something that will give you a high-sider as soon as look at it due to having more torque than a farm tractor.

    I bet you were top scrapper at the girls’ school though? Come on do tell us.

    Dec 21st, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Some of you lot have lost the plot here, isn't the article about the new submarines, it certainly isn't about slagging each other off. Get a grip, let,s have a sensible discussion, YOU TWATS

    Dec 21st, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 214 golfcronie

    “The MoD has also released a picture which shows for the first time how the early designs of Successor are taking shape. The image forms part of an update on the Successor programme that has been presented to Parliament”

    All this is, is a way to keep the core engineers on the project and I wholeheartedly agree with spending that small amount of money to do that.

    Do you really think the “artist’s impression” is going to be like the sub that eventually comes out “from 2028”?

    I had sign the Official Secrets Act before I did some work for BAE some few years ago. This is what it is.

    Dec 21st, 2013 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    Argies :
    You weak pathetic nation.

    A pirate spits in your face - your mothers are whores

    Dec 22nd, 2013 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron_57

    @ 216
    bloody rubbish comment !

    Dec 23rd, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    211 ChrisR

    Specifically what is that I'm supposed to have that untrue as I have only responded to what you written, if this were so you would have shown it. The only opinion on the use of marijuana I have shown is those of experts, and the only reason they were researched was as an aid to my wife when she was studying for a law degree. So all you are revealing is that you are a liar and or a complete ignoramus. Since all this forum is subject to is your personal biased and unsupported reactionary opinions, awash with fallacies.
    All the tough guys I have known and it has been many, never ever ever made claims like you, only wannabes. Hey stupid we are talking about a seven year old having to deal with a gang of older bullies, and so by your own admission you in concert with a gang would bully younger boys, typical fascist mind-set. It was a tactic that worked successfully both for him and myself. Well my son went on to win the Ontario boxing Championship for his weight then switched to Muay Thai and even went to thailand twice. No he's doing real well makes what ever money he wants, and belongs to a great union that collects more academy awards than anyone else. As far as I know he doesn't partake of any substances, his philosophy is the body is the temple of the soul so keep it pure.
    So here are what the experts say again:
    British Indian Hemp Drugs Commission
    “..The moderate use practically produces no ill effects... ... It has been the most striking feature in this inquiry to find how little the effects of hemp drugs have obtruded themselves on observation. ”
    La Guardia Committee
    “The publicity concerning the catastrophic effects of marijuana smoking in New York City is unfounded.
    Le Dain Commission of Inquiry into the Non-Medical Use of Drugs
    ”Crancer's group found no cannabis effects on a laboratory-simulated driving task.145”

    212 A_Voice

    Well it didn't transpire as you predicted, in fact when the school echoed the other boys parents complaints, and I poin

    Dec 23rd, 2013 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Continue

    Dec 24th, 2013 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 218 Pot-head Hill

    I commend your son, escaping from what could have been a downward spiral with a drugged up father blowing smoke up his arse about cannabis, well done the lad.

    YOU on the other hand need to get a grip on your life before it's too late.

    Try reading this again when you are not drugged:
    “The moderate use practically produces no ill effects”

    So what ARE the side effects it produces?

    You are very lucky that your lad is not as stupid as you.

    Dec 24th, 2013 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    212 A_Voice

    Well it didn't transpire as you predicted, in fact when the school echoed the other boys parents complaints, and I pointed out that nothing had occurred on school property. I was told I had a poor attitude, I told him where he could stick his opinion, as initially the school had an opportunity to provide a remedy and declined. I told them they weren't making one set rules one week and then changing them the next.
    I can't tell you how things transpired on the street, I can tell you what the school told me. What of my advice was used I don't directly know. But, I was satisfied that some bullies got their comeuppance, and my son was able to make his way to and from school unmolested.

    220 ChrisR

    As per usual absolutely no factual support for your biased conjecture, just because you don't like the message don't shoot the messenger. But, I am expecting to much from a fascist who wishes the police to carry out extra judicial executions. What ever controls societies wish to impose on the use of this substance let us hope they are both rational and proportional and not based on the ignorance of men like Henry S. Anslinger and you.

    Dec 24th, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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