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Heat wave in Argentina collapses power grid: thousands with no energy or water

Wednesday, December 18th 2013 - 07:15 UTC
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People out in the streets banging pots and pans, or protesting burning tires and garbage containers in powerless neighborhoods, while an estimated 30.000 businesses in Buenos Aires City and metropolitan area are organizing demanding compensation for losses suffered because of the collapse of the power distribution system overwhelmed by an extraordinary heat wave with temperatures in the high thirties and low forties. Read full article

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  • Redrow

    OK people so it's a bit hot and you are a tad thirsty, inflation is uncontrolled and there is widespread civil disorder, but remember we (say we) are sticking it to the pirate Brits and that is what really matters! Vote Cristina!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Kirchners power was off for 10 mins what's all the fuss about.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7nIGV6SpYI

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    I am afraid it's a case being of hoisted by one's own petard .
    The govt forces the energy companies to keep prices low in order to keep the masses happy , so they have no profits to reinvest in improvements , a heat wave comes along , everyone switches on the aircon and there is a power outage .... and the masses are unhappy .
    As much the people's fault as the governments .
    Try opening instead is the remedy .

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Hang on, shouldn't “public servants”, e.g. Kirchner, Kicillof, de Vido and their minions, give up their (electrical) power for the sake of “the people”? Don't know how 30,000 businesses can expect “compensation” when the government already has plenty of debts to worry about. Still, CFK has about US$16 million and Timerman has at least US$1 million. About US$500 per business?

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    All it needs now is for another dead-head in one of the generating companies to short out another alternator and it's coupled (3) transformers like somebody did last year and it will be lights out for weeks if not months.

    Argentina: what can anybody do with these people - they deserve what they get. You could even say they have it coming.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I find it comical that the head of state, president of a nation is on the national grid and not functioning totally independent. It would certainly be easy to cut off the snakes head if they ever were to be attacked. Of course if they were.....cuntlips would long be in Veneztina.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    The won decade is turning into a lost generation.
    I love to be vindicated, yes Stevie I do have a crystal ball and it is telling me that this is going to get worse before it gets better and most of the Rg posters on this board will be dead before they see good times again.
    Remember all your pension funds have been looted. Gone. Poof. All that is left are Rg gov't bonds.
    So just a little more time before the complete collapse. Just a little more time. The problem is even the most stupid and rabid K supporters see that it is coming. There is no support from “the people”.
    I can't wait.
    I hope the heat wave lasts a couple weeks.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marc1

    #6
    Being a Brit living in BA I can tell you that the people do NOT deserve this and neither do we have it coming.
    We all know why the system can't cope.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    How can Capitanich not know Uruguay is supplying extra power to them?! If they were aware this could happen once the temperature reached a certain level why didn't they do something about it? The incompetence is staggering.

    It was 42C in my neck of the woods today, 38 tomorrow. If the power goes off for an extended period of time, let alone the water supply, our senior citizens start dying. If such intense heat prevailed in Argentina I expect pot-banging would be the least of the 'authorities' concerns.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    What a nice peaceful quiet city,???

    so the argies would have us believe , lolol.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    One time I was in D.C. during a heatwave and I was impressed with the response by the city. Once the temperature is over a certain point they have water stations everywhere giving out free bottles of water, the pools are open for free, buses are free so people don't risk walking in the heat..... Maybe CFK could adopt some of these measures.

    @9 I agree people don't deserve it. I think we sometimes forget how manipulated people are there. I have good, hardworking friends in BsAs despairing at the way their country has been driven of the edge of a cliff again.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Elaine, The public transportation in Arg doesn't have AC! The buses, metro and trains get super gross and smell like urine in the heat.
    One of the reasons I left Arg is because nothing works like it should. I had a quinta that I lived at in the summer we lost electricity for 5 days so our water tank ran out. The only way I could get it fixed was by getting an Ex President to call the utility!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    Looking at the weather forecast it is going to top 30'C every day for at least the next 10 days, probably a lot longer. As significant for health is the night time temperatures are only falling to mid to high 20'c. So no respite at night and this will mean all the building will not be able to cool down. This potentially is a disaster.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Can't be good for the farming either. Every year they predict great crops yet the weather does them in.
    I wonder if the new idiot in charge realizes that the equipment/supplies the electric companies need are imported?
    Probably not.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Agustin Tomas O'brien Caceres

    The Cristina Fernandez administration has attributed the situation to several factors: the soaring temperatures that have been recorded across Argentina since last week; a higher level of industrial activity; an improvement in the quality of life of citizens, which has led to increased use of air conditioning and similar cooling appliances,bad management, and corruption. For this reason, she decided to sell all her jewelry, give back her airplanes, and also trade all the hotels and casinos owned by her family and friends back to the Republic of Argentina State. Her plan is to watch their assets being traded to pay the Argentina foreign debt while she would be reading books about economics and the history of The United Kingdom while in jail in Guantanamo with all his family and friends. She also pronounced that in jail, she would prefer to watch regular TV instead of LCDs because she is sick of them. Ultra Chrystal LCDs are not precise enough and lots of ideas as she is happy being a Psychopath.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marc1

    #16 I wish...............

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @10 the authorities don´t care if old people die, actually they WANT seniors to die so they don´t have to pay pensions.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    There is too much waste of electricity because prices are too low. They just need to go up a bit so people save.

    What I don't understand is why I lost internet for a full day, and there he rates are more than capitalistic enough to provide good service. I bet no one can answer that.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    @19 : It's because all the internet providers in Argentina are owned by Grupo Clarin , and they are trying to silence the government and their supporters .
    Grupo Clarin also owns amongst other things :
    All the power companies
    All the supermarkets
    Any business that puts its prices up
    The Falkland Islands
    All of Europe
    LAN Chile
    FIFA
    The Ford Motor Company
    The Bermuda Triangle
    The Linea Sarmiento
    It's a conspiracy I tell you and you are all doomed .

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ExPat 1987

    #9

    All argturds have it coming and fully deserve it... I hope they all roast to death during the summer and freeze to death during the winter....

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    THe gov't is asking the electric company to schedule the blackouts.
    Just like they did the last time they had hyperinflation

    But will Toby and Think ever say I was right?
    I am still waiting

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Optimus_Princeps

    @19 Since when are the electricity rates low? They are horrendously high. I don't approve of K supporters being given “preferential” rates for leeching off the state.

    If these parasites started pulling their weight, this wouldn't be a problem.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Rg stats:
    The official inability to face the truth extends to crime. The justice ministry stopped publishing annual crime statistics in 2009. In its statistics the health ministry has reduced the murder count by two thirds by subtracting “deaths from outside aggression, of unknown intent”, of which there were 3,124 in 2011.
    huh?
    So it's only murder if your intent was known?
    Goebbels is aliiiiiveeee

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Off topic but worth noting from The Washington Post.

    More corruption allegations against CFK and this extract:

    “According to La Nacion, the official books of companies owned by Baez show they spent millions of dollars to reserve a third of the Kirchners’ hotel rooms, whether the rooms were used or not. The paper also said the money-losing state-controlled airline Aerolineas Argentinas guaranteed another third of the rooms, providing a steady flow of profits to the presidential couple’s private businesses.”

    No wonder I could never book a room in their hotels.....

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    What an efficient way to run a nation! ¡País de ineptos!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    25. She better hope that she and her gross family on a plane out of the country when it all falls apart.
    Otherwise she'll never see the light of day again.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @Elaine,
    I had a booking last year at a hotel that wasn't owned by the Ks. A month before I was due to travel the hotel was purchased by CFK and my booking was cancelled. I asked why and the reply was that all bookings had been cancelled for the whole season?!

    I am glad I didn't contribute my own money to her piggy bank, but it seems the poor Argie tax payer doesn't get a choice.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Don't you find it funny that none of our Pr0K supporters are ever posting on the threads that show Arg in its true light?
    I hope this heat wave lasts a couple weeks and right though everyone's vacation time.
    I bet the Int'l tourist numbers are going to suck this year.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    yanqui
    It's because this is non-news, reported especially for you.
    You just fail to realize that summer attends Argentina once a year. Just as winter.
    This has happened for as long as anyone can remember in our sister nation. Happens in a loop. And all summers tends to be hot...
    I'll let you in on a secret. After summer, comes autumn...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    #30. Is the heatwave just to kill women and children like you said the British do, except with no bombs, just heat!

    By the way, your grasp of climatic knowledge is awesome... have you had training+

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Yes, clever one. Blame your murdering of women and children on the weather...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    If Argentina shits all over Uruguay and Pepe.

    And the UK doesn't shit all over Uruguay and Pepe.

    Why does Stevie the Uruguayan defend Argentina?

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Because you lot steal natural resources from developing nations, killing women and children in the process.
    Then you dress up in homemade morals, pointing your bloody fingers at anyone and anybody that speaks up.
    You understand? No?
    Didn't think so...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • nololly

    #34 Oh dear, seem to have touched a raw nerve there. Can you please provide links to some newspaper reports on those assertions from trusted sources? Havent heard anything like that? Where did you hear this? Is it to do with throwing nuns out of aircraft, or those mothers still seeking their kids? That wasnt Britain, that was a dark SA country.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Again?
    I just made a proof database out of one MP thread and you need more?
    Something tells me it has little to do with you needing proofs and everything to do with you simply failing to accept the truth...
    In Amy case, it's fine by me. I never expected anything less from you lot.
    My intention was to show you lot that we ALSO know..

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    You may be surprised but blackouts and lack of water For Five Days is not commonplace in civilized countrys capitals or major cities.
    Only fcked up banana republics.
    BTW its front page news on every Rg news site due to the civil unrest and health concerns and the idiotic comments from the govt officials.
    Poor Stevie another grand socialist experiment bites the dust. How do you stand it?

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Hahaha yanqui!
    Obviously better than you!!!

    Hahahaha!!!

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Laughing? @38. My friends in Buenos Aires are not laughing at all.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    With all respect, my lady, but that's a redundancy...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 19 It's a TrOLL Road
    “What I don't understand is why I lost internet for a full day, and there (sic)he rates are more than capitalistic enough to provide good service. I bet no one can answer that.”

    Ha, ha, ha. Well I think we can! You pay “high rates” to your monopolistic internet supplier, who has to use the power system to drive everything. Using generators at the ISP will not overcome a thing. Your PC, tablet or can on a string won’t function until the mains come back on. I should ask for a refund! And good luck with that.

    You could always move to another country like Iran or N. Korea, ask Gollum how things are there, he loves the places.

    @ 9 Marc1
    And you are a Brit?. Really?

    Then YOU definitely deserve what’s coming. The real Argentines can’t move, the Peronistas and all the argies need executing to get rid of the lazy vermin (all 15M of them): you had a choice, you made it, live with it.

    Idiot.

    @ 33, 35

    Guys, you have to remember that Stevie is the result of a failed sexual experiment carried out by his parents and has a Tupamaros brain but is living the life of Riley in Europe and his wife who, rightly, enjoys what he works hard for (she is not stupid).

    But the inner anguish, the shame for his parents and the utter failure of the Tupamaros is just too much to bear. Now be kind to Stevie he is beginning to realise his whole future is going down the shitter and cannot help making stupid comments like the Brits kill only women and children, blah, blah, blah.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    That utter failure took us to the Presidency, dear Chris, I wouldn't know what on earth you are talking about..

    ;)

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Which asylum is Stevie from? Killing women and children? The last British woman executed was Ruth Ellis back in the 50s I think. Where is this whole MP thread? Why does he keep coming up with drivel? Is he something to do with the disappeared?

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marc1

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Stevie the only thing bothering me is the sound of all the personal jets bringing their owners to the amazing tropical location I'm spending Christmas vacation.
    Oh and btw its hot we have electricy and running water. Gasp. How do they do it?

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You are on a tropical vacation spending your time on MP... That would be you in a nutshell...

    Dec 18th, 2013 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Are you jealous?
    ooh phone internet.
    Gasp.
    Don't worry it won't steal your soul.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @18 MagnusMaster

    I honestly don't know how you guys can stand it. I doubt it's of any comfort to you but I feel for you.

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • It's a TrOLL Road

    Cristina Fernandez is trending both on Yahoo's top 10 and Twitter.

    I thought she had been murdered by a Mercopress forum member, I had to turn on TN24 to make sure that was not the case!

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Day 6 of huge swaths of BA still without power and water.
    BCRA not supporting the Peso for fear of lower Reserves.
    Peso crashing
    Unions demanding year end bonuses
    Provinces out of $
    Oh I have been waiting for this for such a long time
    I hope this heat wave, which is not really a heat wave because its always hot this time of year, lasts for awhile.
    It will go out with a bang not a whimper

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I am not sure which is rising faster, the peso at 6.40 or the temperature at 40C.........

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Both ate equally bad for Crissy tho

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Ooo....look at post 45...Yankeeboy has got a Waitering job at a tropical location for the Christmas holidays..
    .....“More Christmas pudding over here boy”....;-))))

    All those private jets bringing his customers .....
    ...he'll be rolling in tips......“Happy holidays”....Living the dream....

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I have no problem with you calling me a waiter. I worked my way thru school in the Restaurant business. It is a good job when you have no familial responsibilities or business commitments.
    I wish my life was that easy now alas that was a long time ago.
    BTW can you explain again how you go north from IAD to get to PA?
    I didn't get it last time
    knob

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    54
    Hopefully with your seasonal festive tips you may be able to afford a car...that way you may get an understanding of US Highways....
    What was that gem you came out with...”I passed through Williamsport on my way upstate...to the Lakes???
    From where exactly....couldn't be New York and it couldn't be DC...wrong roads...So where exactly....best get your Google map out to recover from that gaffe and invent a location to take you that way...;-))))
    ..or were you telling more porkies....
    Right said Fred....You the man....

    “I'm too affluent for my shirt, too affluent for my shirt
    So affluent it hurts....
    I'm too affluent for Milan, too affluent for Milan
    New York and Japan....
    I'm a waiter you know what I mean
    And I do my little turn on the forum
    Yeah on the forum on the forum yeah
    I do my little turn on the forum”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YUXIKrOFk
    ...is that you Fred?
    Hey your life is simple Fred....“Would that be Chicken or Pasta Ma'am?”

    Dec 19th, 2013 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Oh poor dumb voice.
    Why pretend you know the USA when clearly you've never been here.
    Sad stupid man

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    56
    Dumb....Moi..??
    Let me show you..dumb...

    “Why pretend you know the USA when clearly you've never been here.”

    Here..??
    Did you forget where you are supposed to be?
    ...a clue...tropical location....
    Ha! I knew you were telling porkies....;-))))))
    What else are you lying about??....being a Yank?

    “Would that be Ranch or Italian....Ma'am?”

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I am looking at palm trees and a sail boat right now right off of my lanai and I am in the USA. So yeah HERE.

    I can taste your jealousy.
    and it is delicious.

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    58
    ....I look at palm trees every day and sailing boats....so what...
    ...funny that you find that unusual...

    “the amazing tropical location I'm spending Christmas vacation.”

    What..South Florida?...who hasn't done Florida...not amazing...
    Hawaii...?
    ....Or....telling porkies.....
    If I was a betting man I'd go with......Tall Tales....Walter...

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Guess away or gasp look at my IP address if you're that curious.

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    ...“look at my IP address if you're that curious.”

    Do you know much about computers?
    ...wait a second while I look at your IP address...erm..one moment...

    ...How the fcuk am I going to do that if you don't send me an email....Dumbo...

    What is curious is..if your family have a place upstate New York in the Lakes, why is it you had to work as a waiter to fund yourself through school?
    Most Folk that I know fund their children through school....

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I've worked all my life some people would have considered my family to be well off but that is irrelevant. My parents, grandparents knew it was important that I worked and I am glad that they did.
    My friends that were really rich with absent parents are all adrift now. They are sad and mostly a mess.
    I would never wish that for anyone.

    Gotta get ready now, off to a new beach that is supposed to be amazing.

    Your jealousy will keep me happy and satisfied all day though.

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    I've got an alternative explanation....

    “He's just a poor boy from a poor family. Spare him his life from this monstrosity.”
    .....dream on Yankee...hope springs eternal....

    Ps..If I want a beach...I'll buy one....;-)))
    Come to think of it...if global warming raises the sea by ten feet...I'll have one....

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Agustin Tomas O'brien Caceres

    INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE SHOULD INVESTIGATE AND JUDGE ALL THESE POWERFUL LATIN AMERICAN POLITICIANS AND PUT THEM ALL AND ALL THEIR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS (THE GIGANTIC LATIN AMERICAN MONEY LAUNDRY MACHINE) IN JAIL. GUANTANAMO TO: EVO MORALES, MADURO, CRISTINA KIRCHNER, BOUDOU, LULA DA SILVA, NEWTON CARDOSO, SARNEY, DILMA ROUSSEFF, AND SO MANY PSYCHOPATHS THAT SHOULD BE ARRESTED OR IN MENTAL HOSPITALS YEARS AGO. PSYCHOPATHS DO NOT HAVE CONSCIOUSNESS AND THEY WILL ALWAYS DO MORE HARM. ONLY JAIL OR MENTAL HOSPITALS CAN TAKE CARE OF THEM. THE LONGER THEY STAY IN POWER, THE WORST THE WORLD WILL BE.

    The Cristina Fernandez administration has attributed the situation to several factors: the soaring temperatures that have been recorded across Argentina since last week; a higher level of industrial activity; an improvement in the quality of life of citizens, which has led to increased use of air conditioning and similar cooling appliances,bad management, and corruption. For this reason, she decided to sell all her jewelry, give back her airplanes, and also trade all the hotels and casinos owned by her family and friends back to the Republic of Argentina State. Her plan is to watch their assets being traded to pay the Argentina foreign debt while she would be reading books about economics and the history of The United Kingdom while in jail in Guantanamo with all his family and friends. She also pronounced that in jail, she would prefer to watch regular TV instead of LCDs because she is sick of them. Ultra Chrystal LCDs are not precise enough and lots of ideas as she is happy being a Psychopath.

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron_57

    @64

    BLOODY RUBBISH BRITISH COMMENT!

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Agustin Tomas O'brien Caceres

    I am Argentinian... I am talking internationally. The whole world know that the government of these nations in South America and Cuba are not legitimate. This is just a statement. For whatever reason, after 40-50 years of moral deterioration in Latin America, now that part of the world became a dangerous place. Argentina today is not the same Argentina of the 50's. Brazil has just purchased 4.5 billion in Air Force and it is not clear who are the South American enemies, what is the purpose of the guns. Why the most important nation of Latin America is sacrificing education and infrastructure investments to buy Air Force jets? Why does Argentina of Kirchner want the Falklands Islands so much if they cannot even take care of their own territory? What are the real intentions behind this corruption and violence horror show of South American society?

    Dec 20th, 2013 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron_57

    @64
    You are Isolde posting under several different screennames: Tramposos!

    Dec 21st, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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