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Uruguayan minister says trade relations with Argentina “will never be the same”
Industry, Energy and Mining Minister, Roberto Kreimerman, said Uruguay would try to settle disputes with Argentina in order to reestablish trade relations, but he also recognized Uruguay’s relationship with Argentina 'will never be the same'. The minister revealed that 32 million dollars of Uruguayan exports are blocked at Argentine Customs. Read full article
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Jan 06th, 2014 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'???????????
you can say that again lol.
Stuff em. And sell no more juice to Buenos Aires
Jan 06th, 2014 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I think we should send more electricity to the argies but laced with a software programme which takes over electronic control gear.
Jan 06th, 2014 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One 30 sec burst should do it and let mayhem reign.
You can bet money that the argie filters won't even see it, that's if they have any!
But another safe bet is we won't see the money because they haven't got it, they are broke, a busted flush, etc.
(From an atheist) God, what an awful country and the visitors here reckon there is nothing at all the matter with it. I suppose that is true in reality, it's the 15M Peronistas who balls it all up.
It was an interesting interview with el Mercurio in the printed edition.
Jan 06th, 2014 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately I can't find a link to the full interview.
It is good to see a former Marxist that is not too proud to embrace capitalism - maybe prison does work for some.
Until we get enough dollars we can't afford much trade with anyone, not even Uruguay. Sorry Pepe, in the meantime you can sell to Brazil.
Jan 06th, 2014 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where's Stevie?
Jan 06th, 2014 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love it when Stevie's government goes and completely contradicts everything he says, making him look even more stupid. Maybe he would have a better handle on things if he actually lived there instead of pontificating from afar.
Jan 06th, 2014 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yep Our pet trollster Stevie must be taking vacation or he is doing a double shift on the fryer at Mc D's.
Jan 06th, 2014 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here :)
Jan 07th, 2014 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course our Trade with Argentina never will be the same again!
Taking into account the amount of stuff the Chinese are buying, how much do you lot think we can produce?
;)
Producing it does not seem to be the problem.
Jan 07th, 2014 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina “allowing you access to markets” now that seems to be the problem.
Look at the bright side, YOU ARE ALL BROTHERS!
You could look OUTside Mercosur - IF Argentina will let you...
Jan 07th, 2014 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0;-D
Argentina is doing a good job of upsetting there friends, the Falkland Islands thanks Argentina for its poor diplomatic skills
Jan 07th, 2014 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is purposefully making Uruguay poor, so that both countries are made to collapse at the same time.
Jan 07th, 2014 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is understandable if Argentina considers Uruguay to be part of Argentina.
But Mujica has a duty to the people to protect them from destruction; it seems that he is failing to attend to his primary duty as president.
.................
Btw, isn't a trade bloc designed to remove internal tariff barriers?
Why are the UR. export goods blocked by AR's Customs if there is no barrier? (Naive).
@Stevie
Jan 07th, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“how much do you lot think we can produce?”
A lot more than now. Mujica is positively encouraging foreign capital investment in the country's productive industries. Uruguay respects private ownership and repatriation of earnings.
Chile's Arauco is investing US$2 Billion in building the largest pulp mill in the world in Conchillas. The project comes complete with power station, hospital and port infrastructure.
Mujica rightly wants more of this kind of investment. With the increasing level of Chilean investment I think you also need a Chilean navy base on the Plata to make sure there is no interfering with the free movement of goods out to sea.
The Chilean navy in Rio de la Plata? For what, shooting innocents?
Jan 07th, 2014 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really need to crawl out your own arse...
@15 Stevie
Jan 07th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, shooting innocents is our job!
Along with our new (joint UK/US) Special Forces unit, specially trained to shoot puppies, disembowel kittens and stamp on any pretty flowers they see along the way.
At some point Uruguay is going to have to get out from under Argentina’s economic heel, painful though that may be at the time, or they are simply going to keep doing this to you any time they feel like it.
15 Stevie
Jan 07th, 2014 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0C'mon grow up.
You sound like Sussie
M' thinks Condor is pulling yr string, Stevie.
Jan 07th, 2014 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15 Stevie
Jan 07th, 2014 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need a sense of humor.
I am sure Uruguay will manage to keep her exports flowing despite Argentine objections.
As a matter of curiosity do you approve of the Arauco plant?
Sad for you uruguayans friends, you´ll have to withstand this bullying but if this can bring some consolation we´ll let know CFK that the chilean side of Pascua Lama will keep closed despite her efforts to open it up.
Jan 09th, 2014 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is killing you, Uruguay.
Jan 09th, 2014 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0But be 'cool' for as long as you can; make the alliances behind the scenes - but don't forget to 'leak' the knowledge to CFK ... deniably, of course.
[I'm reminded of Dr. Strangelove who lambasted the Russian Ambassador: “But the whole point of a Doomsday Weapon is that you tell the other side that you've got it !!”]
Yes, Argentina must be made totally and publicly aware that they will not be allowed to destroy Uruguay.
Geoff
Jan 09th, 2014 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Yes, Argentina must be made totally and publicly aware that they will not be allowed to destroy Uruguay.”
Yes, but where is the fiercely patriotic Uruguayan STEVIE, to defend Uruguay.
Wait, he's Argentine.
Every day Uruguay is Breaking records when it comes to economy. Never in history has Uruguay done as well as we are doping to this day. How is Argentina killing us? By diversifying our trade??
Jan 09th, 2014 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear Stevie, what a typo!
Jan 10th, 2014 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Never in history has Uruguay done as we are doping to this day”
Yeah, it made me laugh too :)
Jan 10th, 2014 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Although I did mean doing, doping is quite true as well...
Stevie #23 'How is Argentina killing us?'
Jan 10th, 2014 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blocking at Argentine Customs the $32 million of UR exports to AR..
Blocking the bridge.
Blocking holidays from AR to UR.
Blocking the Pulp mill expansion.
Blocking the Plata export route.
Blocking the dredging of the river to allow trade growth.
... and not least -
Blocking UR etc from a free/preferential trade with Europe.
Nobody is sting from those thing you mention.
Jan 10th, 2014 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Argentina isn't stalling the agreement with EU. EU is.
@stevie
Jan 10th, 2014 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Never in history has Uruguay done as well as we are doping to this day”
That is true (and like in Chile) it is due to the laissez-faire capitalist model that has been adopted.
Mujica on state intervencion (2013):
“Se nacionaliza esto, se nacionaliza lo otro, me cae la producción, me caen las cifras, y después la gente tiene que hacer cola, me falta esto y lo otro, y la gente lo pasa mal”
Mujica on capitalism (2013):
“El capitalismo es muy fuerte para generar riqueza. Es imposible de vencer con decretos o con decisiones meramente politicas. Es un cambio de época.”
Mujica on communism (2013):
“Uno no tiene derecho a sacrificar la vida de una generación en nombre de una utopía”
Well said José. It might have taken you 78 years to get there, but better late than never.
Condorito
Jan 11th, 2014 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with my President in all statements.
You can't nationalise everything, some thing are better off in a competitive market.
Although there are things that should be common owned as they are of common interest and should not be profitted from.
Capitalism is indeed great at generations wealth, but as Mujica says, it needs a change and this change is about greed vs need. Indeed nothing you counter with laws.
And of course you can't sacrifice an entire generation in the name of an utopia, regardless of the ideology.
So yes, I agree with Pepe.
@Stevie,
Jan 11th, 2014 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great that we can agree on so much.
Do you then approve of the Arauco plant and associated investment?”
Not entirely, as with the first one, I don't agree with the abuse of eucalyptus plantations. But I think the open mines are of greater concern.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad we can build side by side with our hermanos Chilenos though.
C'mon... big hug now.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paraguay, you too!!
@stevie
Jan 12th, 2014 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're not as pro foreign investment as Pepe then (I would have been disappointed if you were). He loves it and wants more of it and he knows it is going in to Uruguays wood mill industry and not Argentina's because he is making Uruguay a business friendly country that respects property rights, the total opposite of what is happening in Argentina.
[On that point, although Pepe complains about the problems with Argentina, CFK as actually done him a big favor.]
Did you know that Arauco “suggested” it would be a nice gesture to set up Conchillas as a zona franca so they could avoid a lot or tax?
I know Pepe has gone all laissez faire capitalist, but that is really laissez - Go Peps!
The Broad Front is indeed broad and you are confusing Pepe Mujica with Danilo Astori, a man of Vazquez.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you want my opinion on that lot, well, no jieden ni tienden olor...
Supa Tupa
Jan 12th, 2014 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, so WHY did Pepe and the Idiotic Tupas destroy the lives of a generation with their terrorism?
Instead of talking to other inbreds of the ”magnificent resistance aka the terrorists” try talking with the people who lived through the military era, like I have.
Your mom and dad and most of the “Fighting Tupas” (what an oxymoron) RAN AWAY like the cowards that they are, YOU never lived under the military so your opinion has no more weight than mine because I was not there either.
But guess what? I AM here now; YOU are not so my opinion and experience of LIVING HERE counts MORE than yours, does it not?
SO pull your head from out of your arse for once and start telling it how it is, you are NOT here, you ARE in Sweden, deal with it and stop posting bollocks.
Chris
Jan 12th, 2014 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0You lived through nothing, you came to Uruguay two months ago...
We've discussed this before, Chris.
The reason you can't vote is because you know fuck all about what you'd be voting for. The system works...
Eucalyptus I dont agree with monocultures in general as they are bound to change the environmental balance, probably for the worse.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But most of the dire predictions have proved to be unfounded. One such was that it would reduce livestock production which hasnt happened as the graziers have adapted to a beneficial management symbiosis with the timber companies such as Montes del Plata
So according to DICOSE predictions a record number of calves,about 3m, will be registered in the next census
Increasingly more pines are being planted. Being acidic, this may permanently change soil structure by creating an impervious iron/aluminium layer in the C horizon, whats called a pan in soil science.
This is very difficult if not impossible to reverse.
No research at at Uruguayan level has been done on this and when I have talked to INIA to suggest it, I am polititly dismissed as a nutter.
Aritiri I am not against mining in principle, but this has been very badly managed.
Ok someone will have to let me in to continue as running out of space
The contract is due to be signed next week BEFORE the environmental studies are complete. Thats Crazy!
Apart from that, what is this Indian company and what is their record? Is this the beginnings of another PLUNA scam?
@ 36 Supa Tupa
Jan 12th, 2014 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lying again I see.
You and everybody on MP knows I have been in Uruguay since May 9th 2011 and it will be THREE years this May.
How many RUNNING YEARS have YOU lived here? I bet it is ZERO or cero if you like.
How many months in total have you holidayed here when visiting your mom and dad? I bet it is not 12 months.
So who has the MOST TIME in country? It isn’t you.
BTW, don’t let facts get in the way of your lies regarding Eucalyptus. You once claimed that Eucalyptus used more water than Pino, but I proved you wrong on that. Just WHAT is your problem with the truth Supa Tupa?
@ 37 redp0ll
“Apart from that, what is this Indian company and what is their record? Is this the beginnings of another PLUNA scam?”
This is likely to be MUCH bigger than Pluna. The question is: who of the Old Bastard Marxist Communist President’s mates will benefit this time? Juan Carlos Lopez-Mena is bound to be one of the front runners, as usual.
It seems that as an Argentine he is not so stupid as to accept AR Pesos in the “duty free” shops on his ferries!
“No research at at Uruguayan level has been done on this and when I have talked to INIA to suggest it, I am politely dismissed as a nutter.”
AND YOU ACCUSE ME OF BEING Che Quixote! What did you expect them to say, that you are correct and please forgive us our thievery as we don’t forgive them that thieve against us?
At least there are no windmills involved. :o)
For Gods sake the Quijote comment was posted in jest and if you cant see that, well its a poor sense of humour you have marra.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 39 redp0ll
Jan 12th, 2014 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My final two paragraphs were my (feeble it seems) jocular attempt at a “riposte” (another joke) to you tilting at the “windmills” of INIA!!! (and getting nowhere just like Quixote).
Oh dear! :o)
Point taken Chris.
Jan 12th, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reversible turbines have been around since 1890.
New technology which you may like to research.
Thorium nuclear reactors. Pilot plant in Norway
Osmosis generation. Again a pilot plant in Norway currently producing 4 Mw to the grid.
Tidal power. Two ideas. The tidal barrage at Rennes in Brittany which has been running since 1966
The run of tide generator at Strangford Lough in northern Ireland that works 22/7 and as such is much more dependable than wind turbines.
As to wind turbines,the Chinese are putting up two every day.
I don't think the Chinese are stupid, rather the reverse.
@ 41 redp0ll
Jan 13th, 2014 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Reversible turbines have been around since 1890”
Yes, they have but in the intervening almost 125 years there has been massive improvements in turbine blade design due to CAD and finite element analysis.
In the last five years propeller design has also gained significant efficiency improvement as a result. Turbines and propellers now run in one direction only (except for tidal turbines, but see link) to maintain optimum operational characteristics. Massive container ships were launched in 2013 which have full axis control of their main propulsion propellers: these things are handling many thousands of SHP in ANY direction you want from full ahead to full astern by “simply” rotating the unit around the vertical axis.
One patent which is expected to come to market this year is the counter rotating type, hydroelectric unit for tidal power. It overcomes serious operational losses of older systems which need to be set for either tide but cannot handle both from one unit setting, requiring two correctly set units to handle EITHER flow but not both. Please read the Pdf:
http://iopscience.iop.org/1755-1315/12/1/012111/pdf/1755-1315_12_1_012111.pdf
“Thorium nuclear reactors”
Yes, I like many people were very hopeful this would come to fruition by now but it is turning into the quest for the Holy Grail. Major leaps forward could happen at any time of course but I am somewhat disappointed with the lack of progress so far.
Anything is much more dependable than the current crop of windmills.
Yes, you have to admire the political shenanigans of the Han! Two windmills a day and ONE FULL COAL FIRED POWER STATION PER WEEK!
The Han are not concerned with windmills other than to deflect the tremendous criticism that they have faced over their thermo-electric policy they have been running for years. Consider the manpower, investment and planning that goes into one full power station a week to manufacturing and installing a couple of poxy windmills a day.
Thanks for the link. Too technical for me and the maths is beyond me!
Jan 13th, 2014 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still waiting for the River Severn Estuary Barrage Hydroelectricity scheme to be dusted off.
Jan 14th, 2014 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was a 'goer' in the research reports from when I was 'young', but the RSPB was too powerful for the governments during my lifetime to go up against.
Probably the 'energy gap' - Labour's failure to replace power stations - will cause it to be looked at soon, but UK fracking could cause it to be, once more, shelved.
Yes a it of a bore that!! Goosed by by Peter Scott I seem to recall?
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