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Hague tells Scotland that the “UK is stronger and safer together”

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Foreign Secretary William Hague has said the United Kingdom is “stronger and safer together” as he outlined the case for Scotland to reject voting for independence. Mr. Hague spoke of shared values between Britain and Scotland and said that remaining united would give the UK greater international “clout” and allow it to be “better able to make a difference in the world”. Read full article


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  • Think


    Jan 18th, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    I think the settled opinion on this matter now is that a majority of Scots would probably like to be independent for romantic, pride and historical reasons, yet have the sense to realise that in this day and age with all the unsurities and financial implications in the world, it's just an impossible and idiotic concept.

    It's not going to happen, but being able to see Alex Salmond on September 19th with egg on his face, will be of great enjoyment to many an Englishman.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Do you have a vote on this matter ? If not then your opinion counts for nothing.
    Or are you giving your support for the recent referendum in the Falklands.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    It's hard to see how losing 8% of its population can do much damage to the UK. On the other hand, losing all the money England keeps giving Scotland could be painful. Actually, a list of what the Scots will lose compared to what they will gain is quite telling. For instance, with “independence” Scotland will lose mental ability and gain Alex Salmond, permanently. Losing - Membership of the EU, NATO, UN, Security Council, G7/G8/G20, WTO, Commonwealth, OECD, Council of Europe and OSCE. Armed forces, public broadcasting, anything international, embassies, consulates, grave space, money, free movement in the British Isles and jobs. And the gains? Freedom to spend, as they like, money they don't have. That's about it really. I wonder if Scots have realised that warships and sailors cost money. Scotland has 6,158 miles of coastline. Can be patrolled in 308 hours. 13 days. Is that okay? Mind you, that's at 20 knots. Rowboats don't do 20 knots. Scotland has no problem with aerial surveillance. Balloons are quite cheap. On land, old water tanks are quite cheap. So are pram wheels. Quite easy to manufacture pea-shooters. Sticking a Guy Fawkes “rocket” in one might be a problem. Especially getting the stick stuck in your throat. Who remembers “Carry On Up The Khyber”? Lifting kilts doesn't really win battles. Presumably Salmond is relying on the Loch Ness Monster. Has anybody determined whether the Monster is amphibious? Can it fly? Can it hover? Does it breathe fire? Bit limited? How will the sporrans vote?

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I think conq WANTS the Scots to leave...
    That, or he just doesn't realize that everything he touches turns into manure....

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Conquerer that's a classic!

    Hagues intervention should be worth a few votes to Salmond.

    As for #1 Think, as a Scotch resident he will be able to vote.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    “I think the settled opinion on this matter now is that a majority of Scots would probably like to be independent for romantic, pride and historical reasons,”

    ...Ever heard of, or read Walter Scott?...I think you will find, “romantic, pride and historical” very much a part of the Scottish psyche!
    The referendum result is unpredictable and will be closer than people imagine...

    Protection from whom?

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    To be fair to Hague, Osbourne and Cameron, they are actually giving the Scots facts. That is a world away from the fantasy stories that they are being fed by the fishy duo, Salmond and Sturgeon.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    conq's concerns are how Scotland will win any future battle...
    In his world, it's all about winning battles, preferably by killing as many innocent as possible.
    Who will invade Scotland, should they decide for independency???
    Why waste such amount of money on defence when there is no threat?
    What would Scotland use rocket launchers for? New year celebrations? A bit over-dimensioned, I would say...
    And to protect yourself against illegal fishing, there is no need for PMS Ikillyouall's. A simple, unarmed drone would cover great part of the area in need.
    conq is right that Scotland couldn't continue warmongering like their southern neighbours, should they choose to leave. But who said they wanted to?

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Long Live William Wallace!

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    ermm...he's already dead...

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    No, he is not dead. He is alive and well in Scottish hearts.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Just like Peron in Argentina, and look at the mess that got you into. Keep dreaming boys.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    Just get on with it and vote. Good to see so many voters coming here to support self determination for the population of Scotland.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Narine T. Nüster

    Good Evening,

    So in English, the English here are telling the Scots that having their own country is beyond their capabilities. Or extending that conclusion, that the Falklanders are more capabile of sovereignty than they are?

    I think one must remember the UK is a part of the EU, and ultimately it is the EU that would help a new member province. Scotland would get a lot of help from Brussels.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    At least one British Consul in Brasil will have to decide if she is Scottish or The Rest.
    Which ever way you go, my friend, it's alright with me; you do an excellent job.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Ermmm's not evening yet in Europe.....

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Good point, mrs Nostril. These English thinks everybody deserves self-determination (Cataluña, Gibraltar, Falkland...), bit somehow, the Scots would, according to them, not be able to handle independency, should that be their choice.
    Smell that?
    That's the smell of worry...

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Being that I am the all seeing oracle, the clear-seeing/clairvoyant, wise of the wise, troller of trolls, corrector of the incorrect, teacher of the internet, high functioning idiot-savant among normal day to day idiot non-savants, in my correct opinion (imco) I can tell you the referendum shall be a ........nae.

    Even the great power of historic irony cannot overcome the cultural, emotional and economic factors. Fear, inferiority complexes, and the status-quo.

    Anyway off to Vegas, cards to count.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @15 @18
    If the British government did not support the self determination in Scotland, they wouldn't be having a vote would they not?
    Does that mean the people if England can't have an opinion on the matter? After all we did have two Scottish prime ministers leading us between 1997 and 2010 and by god, that qualifies us us to have an opinion on the matter.

    The only reason independence for Gibraltar and The Falklands is ever mooted on here is because, in the long term, that might be the safest option for them from Spanish colonialism. None the less it would be their choice.

    So self determination very much applies in all scenarios. Let's see how happy Rajoy is to allow Catalan a vote!

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    @16 Geoff,

    Thanks. Excuse me for believing that the end of his message was directed at me. Won the day thinking so.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Less than 30 billion in reserves in Argentina and going down. Very soon some difficult decisions ahead on what gets paid for and what doesn't. I wonder how many other neighbouring economies they are going to take down with them. Uruguay definitely!

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Just saying...

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Do you have heard of the Three Musketeers and D'Artagnan?
    The life only worth living if we live together.
    Die or live is not important. Important is our America always be together.
    Important is the root, not the leaves.

    Long live BROTHERS!

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Big hugs to you, Brasileiro.
    Together we might fail, but at least it's us failing, and not somebody else failing for us, filing their pockets while doing so...


    Jan 18th, 2014 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    I've heard of the three stooges, Harry, Larry and Mo, is that what you are portraying?

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    ...and the British Colonialist version of the Musketeer motto goes....“tous pour un et tous pour un”...

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    @27 A_Voice


    Jan 18th, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (3) Clyde15
    You ask...:
    Do you have a vote on this matter ?
    I say...:
    Nope,...But I have a dog in this fight!

    (27) A_Voice
    You say...:
    “...and the British Colonialist version of the Musketeer motto goes....“tous pour un et tous pour un”...”
    I say...:
    “English Colonialist version”, if I may.....

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    You are right. Only England is a country. Scotland is not a country yet.

    Scottish listen to what the English think.

    Long live William!

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    29 Think
    Ah ha!...A Scottish Deerhound....great dog, can run a deer down in the woods and not break it's legs in the feet like a lions paws. Yet a very gentle and good natured dog otherwise. Though big as it is, it's not capable of killing a fully grown stag or hind...some of those are as big as a horse.
    They run down and exhaust it, and will sometimes pull it to the ground until you arrive.
    I was going to buy one....Ardkinglas line, I knew the breeder, Anastasia Noble, before she died....probably the best line you can get.

    British statement??? ...The guy that wrote the Three Musketeers was French, that's why I wrote it in French...

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    29 billion left in Argentine reserves, went down a billion in December alone. We stupidly give half of that away each year in overseas aid, 2 million to Argentina which they accept without an ounce if shame or humility.

    How long are the reserves going to last?

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Haven't Argentina reduced their external debt with quite an important amount?
    You cry when she doesn't pay.
    You cry when she pays.
    Maybe you lot are just a sad bunch...

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    Scotland does have more of what it takes to become an Independent and prosperous nation than Argentina does. In its favour it only went bankrupt once unlike Argentina who started off fabulously wealthy and pissed it away over and over again.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Scotland not a country, what is it then?

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Turnip at (36)
    A Covenant of Clans.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Colony. How are the Malvinas. Scotland has roots in the world. Falklands not. Pirates makes children, not history.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Setting emotions aside, and looking at this referendum from a purely rational point of view, I believe the Scots will vote to remain part of the's much the same as when the Quebecois nationalists wanted Quebec to secede from Canada about 15/20 years ago....good sense prevailed.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    I see you have calmed down since the full moon has passed.
    You keep using the term UK. Without Scotland you will have to rename it, the partial UK....or England as you hold no brief for Wales or N.I.
    Why would we have any problems with Iceland, Norway and Denmark.
    The only country that we have had problems with historically, on a regular basis, was England
    Wonder why the Russians have restarted their “probe” flights into UK airspace?” No, I don't need to wonder, in the time of the cold war, up to 1972 my brother was at RAF Boulmer and I knew a few pilots and aircrew who were on QRA at Leuchars and others who flew in the AEW Shackletons from Lossiemouth. I have a good idea why they are doing it.
    As to the Russians flying towards the British coast, it will be nothing to do with us. You personally will have kicked us out of NATO. Have you asked the USA's permission? Bang goes all your Northern early warning radar coverage and your control of the Faroes gap. How will you know about it ? Your farthest North fighter base will be RAF Leeming and RAF Boulmer is your farthest N. radar station which will be disconnected from RAF Buchan's long range radar.
    As you are going to keep all the RAF's equipment for yourself, then we will just have to let the Russkis drop to low level, come into England over the Cheviots and go about their nefarious business before you can react. The best of luck to you.
    By the way, I thought it was 4 quadrillion....have you halved our supposed debt?

    You are such an easy target that it is no fun teasing the mentally afflicted.
    Have you ever thought of posting your trash in the Times...including your very basic anglo saxon. I think you would be getting a knock on your door.

    I think your deer hound breeders have moved to this side of the Clyde, possibly Fairlie. We have met them and their dogs at Hunterston doing the three mile circuit. I remember him and his wife saying that they had moved from Argyll as it was now a bit too remote

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    15 Narine T. Nüster

    I’m afraid you’re wrong. The UK is a member of the EU. If Scotland chooses to leave the UK it would automatically leave the EU at the same time. Scotland would then have to re-apply to join. EU lawyers have made it clear that only independent nation states can apply to join the EU, not provinces. Scotland therefore could not negotiate to join the EU before she leaves the UK to become independent. There would therefore be a period of time when Scotland would be outside the EU. Spain, for one, has made it clear that a Scottish application to join the EU would not be quick, straightforward or automatic. It fears the repercussions over Catalonian independence.

    William Hague and others are NOT telling Scotland that independence is beyond their capacities. There is broad agreement that Scotland DOES have the capacity to become an independent nation state. This is not the issue. Everyone agrees that Scotland could suceed as an independent nation state. The question is whether Scotland would be better off, financially, diplomatically, politically, economically, culturally, etc. The slogan and central message of the pro-UK campaign is “Better Together”. This is what William Hague is saying also. I believe this to be true, and every opinion poll strongly supports this as well.

    31 Brasileiro

    Of course Scotland is a Country, just as Wales is to. It is not an independent nation state, but neither is England. I’m at a loss to imagine a definition of “Country” that would include England, but exclude Scotland (or Wales).

    Perhaps you could enlighten me. I would appreciate it.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    What has rational got to do with it rational to die for someone else...No, but people do....
    Imagine a country that had it's culture, destroyed by it's supposed cousins...

    The Clan was taken apart, the music, arms and even dress was banned, the English attempted to annihilate a civilisation that had existed as long as their own...

    You can still see General Wade's roads all over the country...Butcher Cumberland wasn't named as a catchy title...

    Rational has no place with the Auld Enemy......what you believe, is based on how you think Scots should see England and not the reality...

    ....lest ye forget.....

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    @40 Clyde
    “Obrigado”.....Thank you!

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Care to share with us where you get the info on how the EU will react on a supposed Scottish independence?
    Or is it just something that sounds good in your head?

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    I think you are right about the Deerhounds...when Miss Noble died the guy that used to help her was not liked by the estate...they got rid of him, he moved to the cottage at Butterbridge, yon side of the Rest, but that is now empty... doesn't get much more remote than Butterbridge....which, incidentally is right next to a General Wade road....

    Conqueror.....I am all the protection Scotland needs....I've said it before and I'll say it again........Southern fannies come on up, if you think you're hard enough!
    .....I'll take you all....;-))))

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Mr. Rupert, you a good person. I respect. But you talk about things than only me respect. And my Brothers.

    América....Sud América....Sur América....AMÉRICA DO SUL.




    Jan 18th, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @34 Nope. Your cretinous, criminal “neighbours” still owe billions.
    @40 Please try to understand that you don't have a brain. A state ruled by a monarch is a “kingdom”. Once upon a time, Northern Ireland was a kingdom. Wales was a “principality”. The closest Wales could get to being a “kingdom”. Before it was annexed. I don't understand the connection between “us” and NATO. The “real” UK will defend itself. Russian bombings of Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Glassgow. Who cares? Who, in England, cares about Scottish shit? In fact, in a confrontation, who cares about Scottish “collateral” damage?
    It's always pleasant to confront scotrish wankers. Over many years, the English have killed Scots. The English will always kill Scots. Scots aren't much good for anything except dying. Good for cannon fodder.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    And you are just useless. No good even as cannon fodder, having in mind the cost of the charge vs the dubious gain of contaminating the earth...

    Seriously, conqui, your old man abused you, didn't he? He entered your room at night, didn't he? Poor sod...

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    44 Stevie

    Err? A slightly odd question given the extensive coverage the issue has received in the UK media over the past 2 years. For example I refer you to Alex Salmon’s very public apology for misleading Scotland in a TV interview where he falsely claimed he had legal advice on Scotland’s position within the EU when this was untrue.

    Independent Scottish campaigners argue Scotland could retain membership of the EU as a Treaty amendment under article 48. However this would require the support of all 28 member states, the European Parliament and European commission. This cannot be taken for granted. Spain for example has a vested interest in making this transition as difficult as possible to send a message to Catalonia.

    Scotland is a member of the EU by virtue of its membership of the UK. The UK however has extensive treaty opt outs covering the Euro, the Schengen Common Travel Area and flexible opt in for justice, employment and home affairs legislation. Scotland would need to re-negotiate all of these and btain support from all 28 member states. There is also the issue of Britain’s EU rebate, the distribution of EU development funds (which go to London) and other issues.

    The legal and constitutional complexities involved in an independent Scottish membership of the EU have been extensively covered by (Amongst others) the “Scotsman” newspaper. I suggest you refer to this source for further information.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Porkchop

    As a Brit, I don't want to see the Scots go independent because of romantic reasons. I don't like change either but I can understand why some may feel it's a path they need to go down. There may well be reasons why they shouldn't go it alone - probably along the same reasons some may claim as the reason the UK shouldn't leave the European Union but ultimately, people must have their say.

    Not too sure why the likes of Think is getting so over excited about an event that has absolutely nothing to do with him?

    Does he imagine that Scottish independence will somehow weaken the UK, it's capacity to defend B.O.T's? Even if it did, Argentina has committed it's self to a peaceful recovery of the Falklands so that point is mute.

    You have no dog in no fight Think. It's all Walter Mity stuff. By all means get excited over seeing proper democracy in action, even if led the way on Scotland's behalf by Alex Salmond... but a wet dream is nothing new so don't embarrass yourself getting excited over on of those.

    As for any MP visiting Scotland thinking they can swing this vote one way or the other, get real! The polls may or may not prove to be correct but this vote is already decided. Now it's a case of wait and see whilst trying to keep it in our pants, Think...

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    And what has the EU stated on the matter?
    Nothing, you say...

    You mean you are speculating!

    Let me speculate too.
    Scotland talks to Mama Merkel.
    Problem solved.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Voice, you're back (#42) after a pleasant was so good not to see your rubbish for a while...but then ,maybe you 're right, when anything is discussed by you, it's anything but rational. Let's wait for the referendum....

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    51 Stevie

    Err no. A private arrangement with Chancellor Merkel just will not do. There are complex treaty obligations involved here. As I repeat, there has been a wide debate, extensively covered by the media, regarding Scotlands position within the EU if it becmes independant. Just refer to the “Scotsman” as a starting point and you will see for yourself. There is no speculation here. I merely repeat what I have seen and heard. I am surprised you are not acquanted with this debate.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    You again...why don't you, hit the road Jack and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more....
    Hit the road Jack and don't you come back no more....

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Porkchop

    To be fair, the debate surrounding Scottish independence has mainly been childish nonsense. Anything the 'No' camp claim is a 'negative campaign' and anything the 'Yes' camp claim is a 'lie'.

    It's a sad state of affairs that deep down we feel we can not trust either side because UK politicians are just absolute, lying runts. I suspect most people will be voting with their hearts and why shouldn't they, especially since they, like the rest of us, can't trust the powers that be.

    Personally, I don't think the EU give a fig either way because either way it will ultimately get what it wants and it's accounts will continue to not be signed off with absolutely no shock, no horror and nothing being done about that.

    It's a wonder why any of us give a damn about anything really.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    The “debate” is a monologue on the Black death descending upon Scotland, should they opt for independency.

    A bit like yanqui's predictions on Argentina. According to him, they are on their 7th default since last summer...

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Porkchop

    Not true Stevie. It's been as you describe for half it with the other half being a path of everything being rosy, no problems what so ever and a closer step to heaven. Even if either sides claims were true, nobody believes them apart from the nationalists on either side.

    As for Argentina, come on now. To take the simplistic view, they don't want to pay their bills! It's interesting that the SNP are claiming they will not contribute towards UK national debt unless they get to keep the English pound upon gaining independence.. Rather sounds like blackmail to me, perhaps that's part of the reason why Think is getting so over excited?

    Either way it's going to be an interesting vote but the Walter Mity crap just takes away from the event to be.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (50) Porkchop
    You say....:
    “Not too sure why the likes of Think is getting so over excited.......”
    I say....:
    “... the likes of Think ARE getting....” Anyhow, as I have said before on these pages...... I would luuuuuuv to fish the bonnie waters of Scotland free of the English yoke.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I haven't been listening to Salmond, you might be right on the rosey part.

    As for Argentina, her debt to GDP is around 50%, much better than most countries, USA and UK included. Her actual debt is lower today than it was back in 2002 and she has negotiated an agreement with all creditors except those few who chose to sell their part to the vultures. These vultures bought the debt for pennies and now they expect full payment plus interest. They're not getting it, or you can wave goodbye to debt restructuring and future plan Brady's.

    I find it quite hilarious that countries like those of your own, having the largest debts on the planet, have stomach (not mondongo) to talk about debt when you haven't had an effective reduction of your own debt since... well, since you acquired it. Remember you guys owe almost a thousand times more than the Argentines....

    But you are paying, you say.
    No you're not.
    Effectively, Argentina is reducing her debt, the UK is increasing it. The US has a floating ceiling for theirs...

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Here we go round the marlby bush,
    Swings and roundabouts,

    And everybody jumps on the British hating band wagon,

    But allow me my pennyworth,

    What happens, will happen,
    We don’t want it, but that’s democracy for you,
    And despite all the foreign crap, what’s left will still be stronger, and powerful,
    And [believe it or not] richer,

    For no matter how bad our government is,
    Or how bad the country is at the moment,
    You don’t just walk away,
    You stay and work at it,
    For the bad times will be replaced by the good times,

    Long may Great Britain remain united?
    If for the very least to shut up the anti British brigade.
    Who would surely relish it.



    Jan 18th, 2014 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    For your information, to save you looking things up:
    José Manuel Barroso, the president of the European commission, said in an interview with the BBC in September 2012 that any new state would have to re-apply
    “A new state, if it wants to join the European Union, has to apply to become a member like any state”.
    Speaking at a joint press conference with the French president in November 2013, Spanish Premier Rajoy said:
    ”It's very clear to me, as it is for everybody else in the world, that a country that would obtain independence from the EU would remain out of the EU, and that is good for Scottish citizens to know and for all EU citizens to know.“
    Rajoy went on to say:
    ” EU treaties apply only to member states that have agreed and ratified them, and if a part of one member state cleaves from the member state, it converts itself into a third part with relation to the EU.”
    51 Stevie

    It is a basic fact about international treaties that they can only be amended with the agreement of all the original signatories. Scottish independence would therefore require complex negotiations to secure the agreement of all current 28 members of the EU. It would be simple for any state, Spain for example to be difficult, or even veto Scottish accession.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Think is rooting for Indepence because he is in Scotland...simples! No doubt about it.
    Voice has an English chip on his shoulder, and, I suspect a Scotch Guards loss. The Scotch fish have all but disappeared into Spanish nets. We now have a Cabinet Minister for Portsmouth for when all naval ship building is returned south of the border and Faslanes work is relocated in Plymouth, hopefully.

    There is always an agenda, I have mine too..

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Porkchop

    Think.. Firstly, I wish you would give up this “You say” “I say” nonsense. It's ridiculous and chuckle brother like. Secondly, I wasn't doubting that the likes of you wasn't getting excited. That was the point. You're an idiot talking a lot or rubbish in a ridiculous format. Time for you to regenerate, come back as something a tad more interesting. What d'you say?

    Stevie, I have no say over what goes on as far as UK debt is concerned. I can only worry about my own or worry about staying out of debt and saving enough but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on Argentina's debt and I don't see what's so funny about that to be honest with you. Since when were there conditions attached to having an opinion?

    The UK doesn't lie about it's official statistics. Argentina does.

    Argentine has defaulted within the last decade. When did the UK last default?

    The UK is committed to paying it's debts. Argentina I guess will eventually pay it's debts off, if it's lucky but it will not be through honest means and anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool. It will be dodgy deals and avoidance galore.

    Now, for the Think - I say, you say, we all say show. What a plonker.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Now, that's a proper argument.
    The Barroso part at least, what Rajoy says is...
    The Spaniards have a joke about him, on his birthday they let him know that;
    “Feliz cumple Rajoy, por fín cumplís algo...”

    Next question would be, do the Scots WANT to be members of the EU? With that I mean the people, maybe a referendum is not a bad thing after all.

    I apologize for the “sounding good in your head”.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Before I go,
    Read this, not for the disbelievers,
    Thin Pinstriped Line
    Assessment on the proposals for a Scottish Defence Force (Part 1)
    Assessment on the proposals for the Scottish Defence force (Part Two – The Air Force)
    Assessment on the Proposals for a Scottish Defence Force (Part Three - General)
    Doing More with Less – Global Engagement at the close of 2013
    Thin Pinstriped Line
    Probable more informed, and knowledgeable, than most if not all you anties.

    Night night,


    Jan 18th, 2014 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Everything is dry in Europe. Never enough rain. Will there be Pyramids in Paris or Prague? Europe represents the allure of ancient Egypt. Or be ostracized?
    Normans in 1066, the plague in 1364, Joana Darc in the Hundred Years War, America in 1776, Napoleon in 1808, Bismarck in 1870, Kaiser Wilhelm in 1914, Mussolini in 1923, Hitler in 1933, Nazism in 1939, Korea in 1953, Cuba in 1959, Vietnam in 1963, the Cold War, Angola and the map pink in 1966, Apartheid, Grenada, Noriega, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, Afeghanistan, Libya, Syria.

    Europe sucks that clogged my toilet.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (63) Porkchop
    Once again for the Turnip....

    You wrote....:
    “....the likes of Think is getting ....”
    The correct form would be....:
    “... the likes of Think “ARE” getting....”

    You wrote (a couple of times)...:
    “Walter Mity”
    AFAIK it's spelled...:
    Walter Mitty.

    Speaking about Walter Mitty's........:
    I do consider myself on of the lesser Walters in the MercoPress Mitty's Club...
    I have lost count how many Anglo Oxford & Cambridge graduates, how many Anglo millionaires, how many Anglo veterans of the Malvinas War, how many Anglo martial arts & shooting champions etc. etc. etc. have insulted and threatened this frail Argie poster during the three years he has been posting from his humble Patagonian shed…..

    And now........., to top it all I get insulted by a…………. Porkchop!

    Chuckle chuckle©

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    40 Clyde15

    You are missing the MOST important point. If the Scottish people decide that they really would like their country back and they do decide to go it alone, it won't be the UNITED KINGDOM any more.

    So we will need a new flag won't we? The Union Jack will have to be re-designed without the Scottish flag in it innit?

    And they wouldn't be included on the weather map after the 10 o clock news!!

    For me, it would be a shame if Scotland decided to go it alone but if that what the want then I say “Good Luck!!” to them.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You'd be returning to the good old Black Jack instead...

    Sorry, just too tempting :)

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    69 Stevie

    What has a game of cards got to do with Scottish independence?

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    64 Stevie

    Apology cheeerfully accepted.

    In answer to your question; I don't know. However I suspect that given Alex Salmons eagerness to re-assure Scottish voters that EU membership by an independent Scotland is a simple formality, EU membership is more popular than it is in England. Consequently withdrawal from the EU isn't a vote winner.

    It is the case that Alex Salmons arguements for Scottish independance seem to imply that wonderful things would flow to Scotland with effortless ease once independance is achieved.

    However the highly problematic issues, such as EU membership, defence, currency, relationship with the Crown etc have shown that this is far from the case.

    This is not to say that these problems cannot be overcome. However Salmons conviction that they aren't really problems to start with hasn't convinced many and is a major reason the opinion polls haven't shifted in his favour.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Scottish NATIONALIST Party, says it all really. Salmond and Sturgeon just want to go down in the history books as the two that took Scotland out of the UK. Personally, apart for a dislike of the two, it is for the Scottish population to make their own minds up. I have always had the idea “ if it ain't broke why fiddle with it ”

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Turnip at (71)

    You say...:
    “It is the case that Alex Salmons arguements for Scottish independance seem to imply that wonderful things would flow to Scotland with effortless ease once independance is achieved. ”

    I say...:
    If you English Turnips must comment on Scottish Independence, the least you could do is spell “Indpendence” correctly......

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Clyde #40

    Ah! Memories.

    My cousin, Rod. Leigh, trained a generation of RAF flyers on Shackleton, Nimrod and Tucano Simulator .
    RIP 2011.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    Like most people living in England, I could not care a less whether scotlands inhabitants vote yes or no. I enjoy the fact that there is a lunatic fringe of Scottish Nationalists and seemingly latino fruitcakes, who think English inhabitants care. As for william hague...scottish independence near guarantees a Tory majority in Westminster, the status quo risks Milliband/

    The worst result is the status quo, which is ludicrously undemocratic. So if there is a no needs to be followed with a devo max...west lotian solution.

    Funny debate though...of course if Salmond wanted a yes vote for an independent Scotland, hes asking the wrobg people...he should have asked the English....!

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Nothing, nothing at all

    I don't see defence as a problem. Defence against whom?
    The Queen is, according to me, a non issue as well. The rest of the world seems to do fine without her...
    The EU membership is not a problem for Scotland, should they decide to join and have the money for the entrance fee.
    As for the currency... Well, every country has one, I don't see why that would be a particular issue for the Scots...

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (76) Stevie

    You say...:
    “As for the currency... Well, every country has one, I don't see why that would be a particular issue for the Scots...”

    I say...:
    I would warmly second the reintroduction of the Scottish Sceat.
    Wat a beautiful coin!

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic


    If you do get independence, can you take the Welsh with you..and maybe the North East..

    We will keep Northern Ireland, the crown dependencies and the BOTs though. Also if the Shetland idlands want to stay, theyll be wrlcome too.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    (76) Stevie

    Of course, problems are there to be solved. An independent Scotland could introduce their own currency. Firstly they would have to create a central Bank. This could potentially happen. Do the Scots want it? There doesn’t appear to be much enthusiasm for this at the moment.

    Alex Salmon is at the moment supporting the idea of using the UK currency. However this isn’t a decision for Scotland to make. It is for the Bank of England to decide if a foreign and sovereign nation can use British currency. Would the Bank of England be the lender of last resort to Scottish Banks? Would the Bank of England restrict the amount of borrowing and spending of the Scottish Government? Almost certainly. That being the case, in what sense is Scotland truly independent? Would the Bank of England stand behind Scottish Government bonds? Would the bank of England guarantee deposits in Scottish banks? These are questions the bank of England would decide. Not an independent Scottish Government. They are certainly not questions Alex Salmon has answered with any conviction.

    His breezy assertions that an independent Scotland would simply continue to use the UK currency leaves too many questions unanswered.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    #39 Jack Bauer.

    It wasn't 'good sense' that kept Quebec part of Canada - it was people from other parts of Canada being bused in on the day to vote.

    Canada was not separated due to the tiniest of margins - approx half of 1 percent.
    That was 1995.

    Previously, in the 1980 referendum on separation that margin was approx 10%.

    Seems the Francophone Quebecois community feels a cultural difference to Anglophone Canada.

    This is reflected in the British monarchy's unpopularity in Quebec.
    Quebec is decidedly anti-monarchy.
    They're being forced to tolerate the Anglo queen, and they've previously come within 0.5% of separation.

    Canada will soon have some difficult questions and dilemmas to face.
    “À la prochaine fois!”

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I never said it's an easy decision.
    I know what I'd vote for, should I be Scottish.
    But I'm not and it's their future, not mine...

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    81 Stevie

    You don't actually have to be Scottish to vote, you just have to be on the electoral roll in Scotland at the time of the referendum.

    Personally I'd vote NO. I, however live in Hackney; East London so I don't get to vote either.

    I don't find the case for independence convincing, but more importantly I really believe we are “Better Together”. Just a point of view of course.

    Jan 18th, 2014 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I believe the majority of the Scots will vote like you would, Rupert.
    But I also believe you'll need to offer more in the future if you want to keep the unity.
    Not necessarily money or power, but more so the influence of integration.
    The union wasn't exactly based on brotherly love and I think that has left its scars.

    But that's only me guessing...

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    “False barriers to independence will vanish after a Yes vote”

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  • Troy Tempest


    “Canada will soon have some difficult questions and dilemmas to face.”

    You are full of shit.

    If anything, the Bloc and others have backed down a lot in the past 20 years.

    Anglos were NOT “bussed in”, but you can bet that the Seperatist forces were well able to organise their own supporters and constituents in a predominantly Francophone society - and it still failed.

    Yet, Canada allowed the Referendum and everyone peacefully abided by the outcome - kudos to them.

    You however, are lying.

    This was just a deflection on your part.
    The Scots and UK situation has nothing to do with Quebec - you are off topic.

    In fact, Quebec with a different language, would not go.

    On the other hand, Scotland and the other peoples of the British Isles have lived closely for centuries and share a rich history.

    But the Scots too, as a credit to their society and culture, have been allowed to vote.

    Would Catalonia or... Tierra Del Fuego, perhaps, be permitted a referendum?
    Doesn't look like it.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    chuckle chuckle

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Poor Vestige

    He thinks places like UK, Canada and Australia are just a couple of votes shy of either breaking up or going republican.

    But at least the Scots and Québécois are given the options self determination. Not something many countries allow.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Comment removed by the editor.

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  • Narine T. Nüster

    Good morning,


    Tierra del Fuego would be irrelevant in this discussion by virtue of the fact that virtually no one in Tierra del Fuego wants to secede from Argentina.

    There are many things one can criticize about Argentina, however the obsession of fellow EU compatriots to invent secessionist movements within Argentina that clearly do not exist nor have ever existed strikes me as exuding desperation in equalizing Argentina to the downside with one of the clear weaknesses of the modern European state.

    I have a hard time understanding why so many here cannot stand the thought that Argentina could actually be, in some narrow and specific issue, BETTER than their own homeland. Quite discrediting.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino


    I really do feel sorry for him. I might laugh as well. But pity is the greatest emotion. His dislike for Britain is palpable in his incessantly unfounded predictions regarding Britain and the monarchy.

    Btw can you think of an OECD country that would be worse than Argentina to live in?

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (50) Porkchop

    You say….:
    ”Not too sure why [-sic- the likes of –sic-] Think is getting so over excited about an event that has absolutely nothing to do with him ?
    Does he imagine that Scottish independence will somehow weaken the UK, it's capacity to defend B.O.T's?

    I say…:
    As Mr. Hague says in the title of this Article…:
    ”….. remaining united would give the UK greater international “clout” and allow it to be “better able to make a difference in the world.”
    Or, as I read it…:
    ”….. seceding would give the UK lesser international “clout” and hinder it to be “better able to make a difference in the world.”

    241 days to indyref....

    Su humilde servidor…..
    El Think
    Chubut, Patagonia, Argentina.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Good morning, Nostril “of the EU”

    Mr. Nostril et Nostril, are you a frequent traveller back and forth between the EU and Argentina?

    Do you have family in Argentina?
    Would TDF be better off with Chile, or is Argentina the “Latin Paradise” we hear about ?

    I ask this because you seem very familiar with it, even though you are European.
    It must be a nice place to visit, but must you continue to live in Europe? Do you only need to live in Europe in order to nee steady work, and provide for your family, or is it just a better place to be than South America?
    Please tell me, are the services, consumer goods, and educational institutions as good as Europe's?
    The beaches can't be as good as Spain's, surely?
    I would be very interested to hear someone who is informed, contrast life in Argentina to that of life in your native country in Europe.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @58 Think(old you say, l say, we all say),
    You say:-
    l would luuuuuuuuuuuuve to fish the Bonnie waters of Scotland, free of the English yoke.
    l have said repeatedly(but you will not answer):-
    Please give all of us an example of a modern English “yoke” on Scotland.
    No lies now Think, just try a little bit to be truthful.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    As to defence forces. there is always the Irish Republic model. They seem to be quite happy with no thoughts of being a “world power”. Why would Scotland need a modern equipped air force or anything other than coastal defence vessels. Russia is no threat to an independent Scotland.

    Why does England need any armed forces when you can defend it and wipe out everybody with a mighty blow from your computer keyboard.
    What is your time allocation for using the internet, from Broadmoor.
    Do your handlers allow you to be unchained ?
    You are a good ambassador for England to the rest of the world with your rabid hatred of anything not English. You have no love for the UK.
    Based on your personality, it would be doing the rest of the UK a favour if YOU went independent.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    It's all leaving me distinctly schizophrenic!

    There has been a lot of 'splitting' in my lifetime;
    with the one, great 'lumping' - the European Union; starting as a trade bloc but with the unspoken intention of making a super-state.
    Other 'lumpings' have been attempted (e.g. the S.A. groupings) but none have voluntarily devolved sovereignty to the larger entity.

    So is 'splitting' good or bad?

    Many regions were held together by the 'regional big man' ... such as Yugoslavia, Iraq, Ruanda-Burundi, etc.
    For good intent (or bad!), the great powers have tried to make things 'better' in terms of human rights by containing it, by intervening, and by removing the 'regional strong man'.

    Though the intent of the 'powers' may have been 'humanitarian' (if you believe their rationale), I see very little success, very little replacement with a better state of being.
    The game is just too big and complex to control the 'local effects' and the desires of the people themselves.

    Whilst I am not suggesting that Scotland will degenerate into internecine strife between religious factions, genocide and cross-border raiding (shades of Wallace, James, etc!!), I believe that Scotland should have the RIGHT to secede but that they would be extremely stupid to do so.

    However, when it comes to 'tribal' wants, acting in one's best long-term interests is often swamped by the short-term ground-swell thinking of sectarian public opinion.

    Scotland COULD survive as a separate entity - if it plays it's cards right - because of the lovin' financial arms of England and the EU policy of support for the weaker territories.

    Luckily, the vast majority of Scots have significant political and economic 'nouse' so will not be bounced into secession by the joys of jingoistic propaganda.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (93) Carissima lsolde

    You say...:
    “Please give all of us an example of a modern English “yoke” on Scotland.”

    I say...:
    Just from the top of my head, a very incomplete list of examples of today’s English yoke on Scotland….:

    1) That usurping Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha Lady playing Queen of Scotland, when everybody up there knows that the true monarch is a Stewart…

    2) The stationing of English nuclear weapons in Scotland against the expressed will of the vast majority of Scots…

    3) The use of Scottish citizens and Scottish ressources in wars of conquest that the vast majority of Scots strongly oppose, as for example Iraq & Afghanistan...

    4) The absolute control over Scottish Hydrocarbons (and the all important Scotch Whisky industry:-) by Londonians and other despicable South Easterner elements...

    5) The very fact that all important decisions about Scotland are taken by the English at Westminster, not by the people of Scotland in Scotland...

    And that’s only a few quick examples of today’s English yoke on Scotland…..
    Don’t get me started about yesterday’s….

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Well we are 8 months from an independence election. If I was Scottish, what do I concretely no about my future if I became independent?

    Currency ? Euro or Pound very doubtful
    Defence ?
    Continuance of ship building on the Clyde ? more likely no
    EU Membership ? more likely no
    Monarch Queen Elizabeth 11, probably none in the medium term
    President ? Alex Salmond (oh my god!)
    What will the tax revenue of 4 million people buy ? not a lot
    North sea oil yes for 30 yrs approx but dwindling (shared with UK?)
    Continued free University placements ? doubtful
    Continued free prescriptions ? doubtful
    Physical border between UK and Scotland Yes
    Share of UK debt ? Arguable but probably yes
    Continued UK pension No, will need to be financed in Scotland
    Will Shetland/Orkneys be part of UK or Scotland No, they wish to remain in UK

    There are many more.

    I am English not Scottish, I couldn't care less what they do, but I do have an opinion. If was 8 months from an independence election, I would want concrete answers to all of the above questions.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Even having the debate of Scotland leaving the UK is an Rg wet dream. It will never happen.
    There's a much better chance of Catalonia leaving Spain.
    The Catalans think the Spanish are lazy and entitled
    and who would disagree?

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Ah, Troy 85, Anglo 87. Come up to the front of the class.

    Calling your awesome teacher a liar, and all sorts of rude words, tut tut.

    Now then, although it is indeed a digression, albeit on the topic of referendums would you care to present your arguments.

    Perhaps you could correct my facts.

    Lets see, I did propose that thousands of people were indeed bused to Quebec to take part in the vote.

    And that the 'no' vote won by the tiniest of margins, approx half of one percent.

    I also now propose that political unionist parties influenced both airlines and train companies to offer record discounts for travel to Quebec for the day of the vote.

    To this end I offer a humble wiki page to save you time. Gracious and truthful as I am.

    Anglo, if you'd care to take the time out of twisting my words I invite you to read comment #19. I do not propose that GB will break up, I made that more than clear. Lets try it one more time - The Scottish referendum result will be a no. I know this to be true, for I am wise indeed.

    Lastly, Gentlemen I put it to you that the Quebecois do indeed hate the monarchy like (almost) nobody else on gods green earth.
    (1 exception, have a guess, no not me)

    Extract from Huffington post 2012:

    “ In Quebec, however, just 24 per cent of respondents say the monarchy is an important part of Canadian history, a figure that's actually down six percentage points from the previous poll”.

    Now then, if you'd like to consider these facts together with the monarchy's heavily fluctuating popularity you may foresee dilemmas and questions arising for Canada in the not too distant future.


    Don't hate the player. Hate the game.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Porkchop

    Think, you're rather pathetic. Let's not cherry pick to assist you in your wet dreams.

    What I actually said was “Does he imagine that Scottish independence will somehow weaken the UK, it's capacity to defend B.O.T's? Even if it did, Argentina has committed it's self to a peaceful recovery of the Falklands so that point is mute.”

    The majority of UK residents would love to see the UK sticking it's nose less in to other peoples business but Scotland seceding is not about to help you in any way, shape or form and nor will it somehow help Argentina 'recover' the Falkland Islands.

    So you've spent 3 years of your life commenting on this site? Wow! That's quite the achievement.. 3 years of turnip calling and chuckling.. I think CFK has missed a trick in selecting Daniel Filmus over you. Had she done so, I suspect the Islands would have been all yours by this time next year! I hope I'm as productive when I'm as old and frail as you. I really am well jel, you have no idea how much.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (100) Porkchop
    You say...:
    “What I actually said was “Does he imagine that Scottish independence will somehow weaken the UK, it's capacity to defend B.O.T's? Even if it did, Argentina has committed it's self to a peaceful recovery of the Falklands so that point is mute.” ”

    I say ( - again - )...:
    It will, undoubtedly, weaken Little Britain's capacity to defend its Colonies aka. B.O.T's......
    Be it militarily, economically, politically or diplomatically…....
    The last three ones are those Argentina is targeting in its public commitment to a peaceful recovery of the Malvinas Islands….....

    I have during the last three years commented on MercoPress about the English military occupation of the Malvinas and other Argentinean Islands in the South Atlantic, some 14,000Km. from London…
    As an old man, I have the time to do so….
    What’s your excuse, young lad?

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @40 You have a problem with concepts. England was and is a “kingdom”. Ireland was a kingdom. Wales was a principality. No reason for a name change. @48 Poor litle stevie. Yep, so useless that I put lots of latams behind bars. Wish it could have been more. Even had one die on us. No loss. But I would have preferred him to spend 10-12 years walking round a yard. My father was a nice man. Fought in WW2. Do you know who your father was? Probably best not to ask questions. Yanks, mostly, were well-known for screwing everything. Strange tastes, the Yanks. How does your mother feel about sitting down?
    @51 Actually, the EU says Scotland can take its turn.
    @56 Maybe, instead of spilling your bile, you could show how Scotland would benefit from independence? Minutes of research shows that the British government presents facts. Salmond presents insupportable, rose-tinted lies. Read the list of what Salmond says he will do. Then read the list of what the relevant authorities says he can't. Salmond is no different to CFK. A power-hungry incompetent.
    @58 You're welcome to “fish the bonnie waters of Scotland”. Bait and fish food is always welcome.
    @59 Clever words. Based on the argie “education” system and “government” propaganda. Any problem with your pals paying their debts? How hedge funds obtained responsibility for debts is not your concern. Bit like being able to buy a £10,000 car for £4,000 and sell it for £6,000. It's called “business”. But argieland WILL pay. One way or another.
    @67 How could you be “insulted”? An insult is an expression, statement (or sometimes behaviour) which is considered degrading, offensive and impolite. Has anyone has ever said anything about argies that is inaccurate? Is there any reason why argies shouldn't be told what they are? If you are “offended” perhaps you should try ceasing to “offend” others? Peabrain.
    @83 Want to list how many of Salmond's assertions can be verified?
    @91 With or without Scotland, nuclear......

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I'm sure you wish you had some bars for your old man, at least for a night or two... For relief, I mean...
    But focus on the positives, at least you walk like a proper cowboy...

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    United Kingdom is a quilt larger than Spain flaps. What comes to wars of conquest, goes with democracy.
    We can not expect a lemon tree bears fruit oranges.

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  • yankeeboy

    101. There is that word “peaceful” again. I don't think you quite know what it means.

    Maybe do a little research and get back with us with a better descriptor for the shenanigans the Rgs are trying to inflict on the Falklanders.

    Your posts are cringeworthy.

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  • Troy Tempest

    #99 Vestige - and no, you ain't Gretzky

    Do you read your own links??

    I said you were a liar before and now you've shown yourself to be stupid also.

    1) “Bussing”:

    Your link refers to a rally of supporters promoting a unified Canada, 3 days before the referendum.
    Understand that unlike the “Dark Country”, these were NOT the unemployed and stupid rounded up by La Campora and shoved on a bus with bribes of free sausages and Malbec.

    Note, these were SUPPORTERS, not VOTERS.

    VOTERS were required to be RESIDENTS OF QUEBEC and registered on the Quebec polling list.

    It was not possible for Anglophones to flood in and skew the referendum.

    FAIL for Vestige.

    2) Monarchy:

    According to your link, overall support for the Monarchy, outside of Quebec, is 44-75 % positive, depending on which political affiliation you asked. I don't know how many “I don't know/ don't care responses there were.
    That is UP from 45% of those polled, and we certainly were not in 'danger' of 'losing the Monarchy' at that time either.

    ”Separatists have been decrying the Monarchy for years“ - decades actually, and yet there are still many supporters within Quebec.

    There is an increase in popularity for the Monarchy in Canada, with the ”Royal” designation being restored to the names of military regiments, and a new interest in the Royal Family with the young, charming and photogenic William & Kate.

    The Seperatists will not be taking Quebec out of Confederation over the Monarchy, no matter how much some South American Troll may want it.

    Sorry, another FAIL for Vestige

    3) Republic vs Monarchy:

    Vestige, did you look at the graphs??

    Even your Pro- Republic website gives these results:

    1996 46% preference for a Republic
    44% Monarchy
    10% don't know

    2010. 37% preference for a Republic
    35% Monarchy
    28% don't know/ care

    Conclusion - equally divided, but the trend is - fewer people think or care about it. It is hardly a divisive issue.



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  • Faz


    You say “recover the Falkland Islands”

    We say “United Provinces or Argentina never had them?”

    You say “recover Las Malvinas”

    We say “your welcome - they don't exist”

    If you are really old, you'll never get to see it.

    If you are lying about your age, shame on you and you'll never see it either.

    Your country, as a state, has existed less than 200 years. Our country has existed for 1,000, and we invented Magna Carta.

    Your country invented Corned Beef and the Tango

    Enjoy your porridge....

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  • Stevie

    You took part of no invention, whom are you trying to fool.
    In that aspect, you are as productive as anybody else.

    When Blair sent your military to kill children, it was him.
    When a Brit invents something, all of the sudden it's all of you.

    Stop taking credit for other peoples work, nobody believes you.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest


    When Argentina invaded the Falklands and held guns to the heads of the civilian population,
    it was “the Junta”

    ...and the people cheered!!!

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Will Shetland/Orkneys be part of UK or Scotland No, they wish to remain in UK

    Scot·land (sktlnd)
    A constituent country of the United Kingdom comprising the northern part of the island of Great Britain as well as the Hebrides, Shetland Islands, and Orkney Islands.
    Please tell me how a part of Scotland can have a separate binding vote in the independence referendum ? Will the vote allow any of the Scottish counties to register a No vote and decide to stay with the UK.
    Perthshire and Dumfries and Galloway have a large English population, can they opt out also ?
    This would seem to be a contradiction to the agreed legal framework of the referendum.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    That's a disgraceful attitude,
    The people didn't cheer.
    Some people did. Other people died.
    Look how many cheered when the fascist left power.
    Argentinean boys sent to their death. State terrorism being the juridical, legislative and executional power. In both sense of the meaning.
    The amount of disrespect you show against people like the late Juan Gelman, is beyond reason.
    If that is your argument, hear mine, murderers of children.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    It's more a matter of will they remain part of Scotland in the case of a yes vote....

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    So, in case of an Independent Scotland, the oil-rich Shetland Islands, which considers themselves of Scandinavian descent and therefor not part of Scotland, will most probably vote to be... British...

    I see a pattern here...

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    As an orcadian descendant, you know the history of those islands as well as I do. They do have special status as their parliamentary constituency can never be absorbed into mainland Scotland, any more than the Western Isles seat. Yep I know it's called by its Gaelic name now.
    Orkney and Shetland have a sizeable population of which I seem to recall only 7 per cent voted SNP.
    Lerwick is closer to Bergen than to Edinburgh
    If we are going to promote the rights of the Falklanders, why not let the inhabitants of Orkney and Shetland have their say also?
    Your idea of individual mainland counties in Scotland seceding is a non starter.
    But the idea of Berwick on Tweed joining Scotland seems to be quite acceptable to Mr Salmond and his ilk
    Added to which most of the inhabitants of that town would really like to be Scots according to the polls
    Conundrum,isn't it?

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  • Monkeymagic

    I love this debate, folk show their true colours.

    The real colonialist imperialists (think, marcos etc.) cannot understand that the English neither want an empire nor care less whether Scotland stay or go. It makes as much difference to the English as when Australia, Canada or Jamaica became independent. Stay if you want (as 99.8% of Falkland islanders do), go if you want (as 50 odd members of the Commonwealth have, peacefully).

    We have A-hole playing Mel Gibson, thinking Scottish Independence will be in someway a revenge for the Highland clearances, and a reinactment of Bannockburn. Crikey, if Scotland wanted revenge for those atrocities...just vote in another Gordon Brown..!

    Then strangely, we have a view that the English were guilty for Iraq and Afghanistan but not the Scots, that one made me laugh. The UK entered those wars under a Labour government, stayed under a Labour government, and withdrew under a coalition government. A vastly greater percentage of Scots voted for the Labour governments and there would be no coalition government without the Scottish constituencies....

    Clyde ducks the key, and quite funny question surrounding the Scottish islands. Clearly, they are part of the Scottish state, and will cede with Scotland. However, it is that island group being “integral” again. I have a feeling if the Shetland Islands wished to leave Scotland and rejoin the UK after the event, that would be democratic and permissible. Oil impact'd appeal to my sense of humour.

    My feeling is there is a good reason for the split, Scotland votes Labour in a massive majority, England doesn't. This means pretty often one or the other gets a government they didn't vote for and didn't want. This should be the key reason for voting.

    Of course this discussion seems to think the main reason for voting yes is to spite the English, who for the most part couldn't care, and stand to gain considerably by avoiding future governments they didn't vote for!!

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  • Stevie

    Comment removed by the editor.

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  • A_Voice

    You stupid monkey you do talk shite....
    It seems the UK Govt (English) are desperate for Scotland not to leave..or did I misread this article...
    Which of course makes a mockery of your argument....
    Again..on the subject of a Government that nobody voted for.....What is the present coalition...?
    Stick to your bananas and peanuts stupid monkey...and think before you post....

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  • aussie sunshine

    Scotland Independent!!?? ummm when I win the Euro Lottery!!!

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    If Scotland wants it's independence why not, so long as they understand the consequences.
    It all seems to be based on history which happened a long time ago and isn't relevant in today's world.
    Or is Scotland going to ask France to return Calais to their sovrienty?

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Shoot yourself in the foot...why don't you....
    What constitutes long a period.?
    How about that a long time ago? often do we see Argentina being judged on...History....
    How many times have you said something along the lines of....if the Junta didn't invade in 1982....
    Same argument applies for Scotland....

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    A-hole (you complete penis)

    The UK Government is a coalition between the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives.

    The Conservatives have a massive majority in England, so there would be no coalition in the UK if it weren't for Scotland. I am sorry if this is beyond your intelligence fuckhead, but it's true nonetheless.

    650 (total seats) - 59 (Scottish seats) = 591 non Scottish seats.

    Number of Conservative MPs outside Scotland = 306

    So we have the current coalition UK government BECAUSE of Scotland.

    God, you are thick.

    Indeed you did misread the article. William Hague represents the UK government, there is no English government.

    However, according to the polls as I posted links before for you A-hole (thick twat). A GREATER % of ENGLISH VOTERS SUPPORT SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE THAN SCOTTISH.

    Your asking the wrong people sweaty....

    You are insignificant A-hole, your pathetic dream of avenging some historic wrong won't happen....because we couldn't care less if you certainly doesn't “spite us”...hahahahahaha

    Scottish Nationalists are like the lazy unemployed aggressive husband continually threatening the hard working and attractive wife with divorce. You seem surprised that we quite like the idea.

    PMSL you trot...bye.....

    Oh, you shit yourself and decided to stay.....hahahahahahahahah...all mouth and no trousers.....that's you all over though isn't it A-hole?

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @103 We don't do “bars”. We do medals. I have my father's. “Bars” are for third-rate places so they can drink and try to forget their inadequacy.
    @108 And what have YOU done? Apart from disgracing “your” country. Mind you, I'm not sure Uruguay is your country. You always sound more like a brainwashed argie turd to me. If you are from Uruguay, that makes you a traitor. Back in 1939, after a naval battle, the damaged Nazi pocket battleship Admiral Graf Spee took refuge in Montevideo. To its eternal credit, Uruguay interpreted international law in such a way as to limit the Graf Spee's choices. Britain worked to convince Graf Spee's captain that overwhelming British forces were waiting for him in the South Atlantic. Uruguay had to know that it could attract Hitler's wrath and retribution. Nevertheless, it did what it could to help the world defeat criminals. That is something of which it can rightly be proud. And now you and those like you bring shame to Uruguay. You assist and aid the nazi's successors. You are as criminal as they are.
    @111 Strange. All those people cheering and dancing in the streets. Your “friends” imprisoning women and children in unprotected accommodation, contrary to the Geneva Convention. Your “friends” carrying out war crimes. Indulging in “ethnic cleansing”. Did they stop there? No. “Argie boys sent to their death”. Don't blame US. Stupid, uneducated, brainwashed, armed tossers were sent to confront professional armed forces. Rightly, they got creamed. Nazi-style actions deserve the same reaction that Britain gave Nazi Germany. Collaborators are equally guilty. YOU are responsible for the deaths of 255 British servicemen and 3 Falkland Islanders. YOU are a war criminal. How many have YOU killed with your “support” for argie criminals?

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  • aussie sunshine

    let me see!! If the scots get independence the history books will have to be re written..with the Industrial revolution and The Scottish revoluton and not the English revolution!! Let sleeping dogs lay......

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    Stevie “Einstein” asks in # 9 “Why waste such amount of money on defence when there is no threat?”

    Rightie “Einstein”, and who needs a fire insurance *before* the house is burning?

    As the Roman, whose empire lasted almost a millinnium, said: “Se vis pacem para bellum” = if you wish for peace, prepare for war.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Stupid monkey...again...
    I said...Again..on the subject of a Government that nobody voted for.....What is the present coalition...?
    Real answer is...A government that nobody voted for....
    Are we there yet...ya fanny....
    Again...not an English many of those 591 seats are English's no use trying to disguise it by writing...non Scottish seats...;-))))
    Friggin stupid monkey..have a banana......have two....

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    rupertbrooks0 you are up against Stevie whose Alzheimer makes her forget everything she has read more than 12 hours ago, which is also the reason why she cannot answer serious question with other than silly foul language, the poor girl.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    117 A_Voice

    There is no such thing as the English Government. There is only Her Majesty’s Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. No one gets to vote for the Government. You only get to vote for an MP. Each citizen gets to vote for one person to represent them in Parliament. My MP is Diane Abbott, who represents Hackney North and Stoke Newington. That is, she represents ALL the people in her constituency; irrespective where they voted for her or not. Diane Abbott holds weekly surgeries (like most MP’s) where any of her constituents can go along to see her with their problems or complaints regarding government or public services.

    The present coalition is made up of 364 elected members of Parliament (307 Conservatives and 57 Liberal/Democrats) who received a total of 17,634,380 votes, which represents 59.1% of all the votes cast.
    I see no evidence that the English are desperate to keep Scotland within the union. Many, like myself simply believe in the union and sincerely believe all four of the constituent home nations are better together.

    Others many take a different view, but that’s up to them.

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  • Monkeymagic

    Firstly, A-hole claims in 117 that the UK Government is English....than he says the UK Government wasn't voted for by anyone.

    It actually represents of what the UK voted for. Certainly not what the English or Scots voted for in isolation.

    However, back to English indifference

    Seems like Scottish independence is growing support in England and losing it in

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    One other point you stupid monkey....
    It is also true to say that you got a coalition government because not enough English people voted Conservative....boy O boy you do like to show what a stupid monkey you are....have another banana....;-))))
    Ok an English Government by any other name would smell so sweet....
    How about a UK Government that is dominated by 80% English MP's....

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Gentlemen, gentlemen,
    Tittle tattle, its just tittle tattle,

    That’s what my Nan always said,
    One day it will come back and bite you,
    Still, a little note of observance,
    The union jack,
    There is no reason legal moral or otherwise, that the union jack still cannot be flown
    It could be any colour or crosses,

    There is nothing to stop the rest of the union from using it,
    [Unless you know something we don’t]
    Mr Hague,
    On the other hand, talks to much, bla bla bla,
    Considering he and his captain are promising us a referendum,
    That we would almost certainly leave the unmighty EU,
    This pair seems awfully interested in the future EU,

    I trust neither of them..

    calm down chaps..

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    It was a uk government dominated by 80% English MPs just 4 years ago, when a Scottish Prime Minister and a Scottish Chancellor of the exchequer blew billions on socialist fantasies.

    Yep, an English government without that pair of wonder we want rid of

    So tell me A-hole..are the majority of Scots going to join you in your deluded revenge mission against an “enemy” who couldnt give a shit...or are they not as stupid as you.


    I'm going to divorce you. I'm going to divorce you. You are lucky to have me. I'm going to divorce you....

    Go on then....

    Oh shit, nah not really, oh crap, can I stay, didn't mean it.... are weak and impotent Ahole....bitter, a huge inferiority complex...weak and impotent.

    England doesn't care you what's best for you...we won't even notice either way.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige


    Option Canada was a Montreal-based lobby group established (a mere) eight weeks before the voting day of the 1995 Quebec referendum on sovereignty.

    ...The group was disbanded soon after the referendum was over.
    (huh, almost as if it had served its purpose)


    At the time of its operations, the group was composed of businessmen and political organizers of the three **federalist political parties**.

    The president of Option Canada was an aide to Paul Martin, at the time Canadian minister of finance.

    Quote the Vestige:
    A useful man to befriend, record heavily discounted travel to Quebec for his bosses supporters AND voters on the days leading up to election could pay off in the long run...
    ......aannnd thats what happened, funnily enough.
    Record discounts by rail, bus and airline companies, carrying federalist political party supporters and more importantly as we'll see now voters from OUTSIDE Quebec.

    Option Canada (first caught media attention in Quebec when the group created ***the Committee to Register Voters Outside Quebec***
    (D'OH!!) order to help citizens who had.....!! OMFG !!.....left Quebec in the two years before the referendum vote register on the electoral list of the province.

    (Left Quebec ?? Well I guess that would mean if they wanted to go back to Quebec to vote in person* they would need some kind of transport, maybe a bus could suffice if they were travelling as a group).

    A 1989 clause allowing this farce of voters from OUTSIDE Quebec to travel (by bus) back to Quebec after up to 2 years living in other states to vote in person was initiated by who.....the Quebec Liberals (i.e federalists, i.e anti-separatists) during the term of who ??... A federalist party prime minister.

    Now then.
    Tell me voters weren't bused in

    Would you like me to address the monarchy's impending doom next ??
    You've already gone to the bother of cherry picking some stats.

    Just say the word. :D

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    We wonder what all the onlookers to this site,

    thinks of all this nice , pleasant

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    ...did that stupid monkey actually say anything in that last post...I thought it was trying to type the complete works of Shakespeare....
    Take note...these exchanges with a primate are an example of how to destroy a gibbering monkey's argument with ease...
    Although I did notice this stupid comment at the end....

    “England doesn't care you what's best for you...we won't even notice either way.”

    Well apart from William Hague and erm...Cameron and erm.. the rest of the UK Govt....;-))) be off with you and lick your balls or pick nits from your family or whatever it is that monkeys do...

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    It's not banter Briton.

    A-hole is fighting a 1000 year old war on behalf of Mel Gibson and Robert the Bruce. He thinks that we English wish to dominate his people and he wants his....“Freeeeeedoooom”.

    He also thinks we are “desperate” to keep him.

    Talk about a delusion. Hahahahahahahahah.

    To all sensible Scots, stay if if you want, go if you want, vote for what is best for you, your families, your communities and nation.

    To A-hole and the lunatic'll never have your freedom, we wish to dominate and subjugate you. We are desperate to keep you, please please please stay...we'd be lost without please don't go....quick put Braveheart on...on Gazzas goal in Euro 1996.....

    Lol....poor poor Ahole...a lifetime of inferiority complex....don't worry I'll show them and get independence....what...they don't care...and ....oh what have I done.... LOL again

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think


    What perfect English MP’s Monkeymagic, Briton & Conqueror would made….

    Out of the EU…
    Out with the Scots…
    Out with them immig-rants…

    Keep the good work, lads….
    Keep England English!

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    For no matter how bad our kingdom is,
    Or how bad the country is at the moment,
    You don’t just walk away,
    You stay and work at it,
    For the bad times will be replaced by the good times,

    For if I walked away every time I burnt the cakes
    I would never learn to cook,
    And we would go hungry ?
    [ ALFRED ]


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  • Monkeymagic

    @136 ”think (sic)

    Or perhaps...

    1) Let the UK people decide whether they want to be in the EU
    2) Let the Scottish inhabitants decide whether they want to be in the UK
    3) Let the Falkland Islanders determine their sovereignty.

    You will never hear me argue against immigration Twink. You seem to like racial purity, but not me. I am for controlled immigration but I firmly believe Britain is a far stronger country because of immigration, and welcome skilled immigrants from all over the world to add to our societies, pay taxes, increase our skills and keep our laws.

    Sorry, if this doesn't fit with your stereotype Twink.

    However, you'd make an excellent Argentine politician.

    1) dishonest
    2) wish to colonise someone else's land
    3) make yourself look foolish on a daily basis
    4) lie some more
    5) IQ in single digits.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton


    What perfect English MP’s Monkeymagic, Briton & Conqueror would made….

    Out of the EU…
    Out with the Scots…
    Out with them immig-rants…

    Keep the good work, lads….
    Keep England English!

    You forgot chuckle

    Besides if we stayed in the EU we would eventually be United States of Europe,
    And this would totally defeat the Scottish independent question, would it not,

    As for [ immig-rants ]
    Are we not ALL immigrants?
    In one way or another
    Keep the good work, lads
    All good lads , keep it up .lol
    Keep England English!
    You could say, keep ?? to all , 200 countries in the world,
    But with 50,000 years of immigration,
    We think,,,, not .lol.

    .chuckle chuckle .

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    @ 120 Hartlepuddlian
    1982 is within living memory. Bannockburn in the year 1314'or even the 1745 is not.
    Hence my comment tongue in cheek about Scotland reviving its claim to the French City of Calais

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Still trying to get my head around Vetige's claim that voters were busses into Quebec.

    How did they get their names on the electoral roll?

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    They do say,
    their are a few wise men,
    and millions of fools,

    if one was to believe every little thing these argies ever stated,
    we would be fools like them,.lol

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @96 Think,
    Your reasoning is getting wonky again Think. Steady up on the Malt.
    1) We've been through this before. lf l remember Anglotino posted how the Queen is descended from the Stuarts.
    2) l'd have to agree with you there, Think. No sane person wants a nuclear arsenal on their land. However that is where the submarines are based, as its closer to the former enemy, the Soviet Union. Scotland is(at the moment)part of the UK. Do you think that we should have just surrended to Soviet navel power?
    3) What you should be saying is the “use of British citizens & British resources in wars of conquest that most British citizens strongly oppose, for example lraq, Afghanistan etc” then add, “that the Americans drag us into all around the world” Don't cherrypick, Think.
    4) l don't know about the ownership of the Hydrocarbons industry, but l'd be very surprised if there are not Scottish investors, Scottish shareholders, Scottish managers & Scottish oilworkers. wrong again, Think.
    5) l doubt very much that ALL decisions regarding Scotland are made by Englishmen.
    The last three Prime Ministers were Scottish & there are plenty of Scottish Members of Parliament.
    Whats the matter Think? can't get your head around a democracy? he he.
    6) We're not talking about “times past” Think.
    l asked you for modern examples of an English “yoke”.
    lf Scotland was under a “yoke” do you really think that the oppressors would allow a vote of lndependence.?
    And don't get me started on yesterday's Scottish raids & invasions of England.
    Flodden Field 1513 for example. google it Think.
    Finally the only “yoke” here is you Think(as my Finnish friend used to say).

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    ....haha...the stupid monkey know all about immigrants...don't you eh.. monkey....
    nudge, nudge wink, wink say no more...
    I dare say you would support them...;-)))
    What's this obsession with Hartlepool? You surely don't think I'm a Monkey hanger do you?
    Although I do know one stupid monkey that should have visited Hartlepool... history has now been redefined to be out with memory...
    Damn ...I'd best not read about the History of WW2 then.......

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think


    I luuuuuuuv those English UKIP types and their double talk.....

    We are no “racists”...
    We are just “realists”...

    We have NOTHING against immigration...
    As long as it's controlled and consist of skilled individuals that work for “Us” and do as we tell them...

    Chuckle chuckle

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    one will not get into an argument with a fellow brit,
    so they say,

    but Mr think,
    likes to drop the cat,
    does he not .lol

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Anglo you're right to wonder.

    Subtle clue : #132 ***the Committee to Register Voters Outside Quebec***

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    but did it work.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    The pied art of piping...
    The shadow it's fuel though and in the light, there is no reason to conquer anyones minds...

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Free minds,
    Free thinkers,
    Free speech,

    Unless one is not-Free.?
    Controlled minds , thinkers , speech , control

    the rats all left,
    following the piper I believe .lol

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You sure, Briton? They seem to be all over the place..

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    Oh are terribly stupid.

    I said I wanted controlled immigration based on skills targeting those likely to pay into the system and keep to the laws of the land.

    You seem to think this is racist....PMSL

    As opposed to uncontrolled immigration, targeting unskilled, aiming at those likely to require benefits and welfare and not likely to keep the law.

    What an odd individual you are think, confused, and stupid.

    I certainly do not vote UKIP, nor (unlike A-hole) do I believe that all of my ancestors 25-30 generations ago came from a single place or all fought on the same side of a battle.

    So, as far as immigration is concerned, the UK is greatly thankful for the fantastic contribution to our society that the vast majority of immigrants have bought through the last several millennia.

    your ridiculous insults are as misguided as you views on the Falklands.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    151 Stevie
    yes, everywhere .lol

    Does anyone know which blogg?
    Ended up at the highest number,

    Or is the answer irrelevant
    [ 259]
    Im sure one reached over 300 ?
    152 Monkeymagic
    25-30 generations ago came from a single place ,

    being a free born Englishman..

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    What to do with those refugees whose lives have been destroyed, houses bombed, family members killed, left with psychological issues, result of a war influeres upon them?
    Because, you know, they might not fulfill your little list of requirements...

    Want to stop imigration? Stop emigration!
    Nobody is born with a desire to be your neighbours...

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    152 Monkeymagic
    I missed a bit,
    What part of England did they come from?
    Thin Pinstriped Line
    The intelligent blog on defence issues, providing high quality and objective analysis on UK Defence Policy, military affairs and wider global security matters
    Thursday, 16 January 2014
    Friends with benefits? The UK/US relationship and Mr Gates.
    Friday, 10 January 2014
    Actions on encountering a plan - the UK Parliamentary Defence Select Committee report on the 2015 Defence Review

    Friday, 3 January 2014
    The Dragon awakens - Chinese Carrier Task Force images

    You should read these items,
    They are most interesting,

    Unless one has no interest.


    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    Who wants to stop immigration Stevie....? Certainly not us.

    Perhaps the Amerindians, back dated 500 years wouldn't wish to have your genocide visited upon them?

    I forgot Stevie, you'd stop immigration wouldn't you...scared that if you ate a curry, it would dilute your pure Uruguayan gene pool...another Stevie classic.

    How's the Nobel prize Stevie...nothing yet?

    How's the virginity...still got it....never mind...I am sure there's a nice pure blood Uruguayan girl who can't wait for someone with your acne, racism, and misplaced of luck.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    back tomorrow boys.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • José Malvinero

    18 September 2014: 30% less territory to the arrogant, shit!
    Glasgow, out
    Dundee, out
    Aberdeen, out
    Inverness, out
    Edimburgh, out!!
    He is right to be concerned this guy

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    No Monkey
    I'd stop making people homeless, driving millions to despair in order to select the “skilled” ones and condemn the rest to the sewers...

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    30% less territory's all about land.

    Hague would be more concerned if they stayed.

    Tory odds of winning a general election with Scotland...3/1
    Tory odds of winning a general election without Scotland ....1/3

    Edinburgh...Labour (occasionally the Pentlands go Tory)

    Yes vote...Hague wins
    no vote...Hague wins


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  • Clyde15

    All that I said was that the Northern Isles are included in Scotland for the purpose of the referendum. There is no separate vote for them in this matter.
    Their vote will be included in the grand total.
    After the ref. if it is a yes vote then they can petition for independence from Scotland.
    What happens if Fair Isle decides to opt to stay with Scotland ? Can they opt in
    I had a colleague whose family were born and bred on Fair Isle and go back generations. He was an active member of the SNP when they had only one seat in Parliament and the rest of us used to joke at him for his political aspirations.

    You have surpassed yourself this time !!!
    I could not understand a word of what you said. Complete and utter nonsense.

    As I pointed out earlier, if all the voters in Greater London had voted Conservative, then they would have had an outright majority REGARDLESS of the vote in Scotland. So, blame the English who failed to comply with your obvious wishes. Oh course, it must be the fault of the Scots because the English are always right and blameless in your estimation.
    It is interesting to see the latent anti-Scottish feeling now coming to the surface.
    It has always been there, hidden under the surface but rising up occasionally.
    Yes, there are anti English nutters up here who shoot off about long forgotten wars against England etc BUT there are even more English who are just as jingoistic and and antagonistic to about every other country in Europe including Scotland and Ireland.
    The consensus of “English” opinion appears to be ...let the ungrateful *******'s go. We will be much better off without them. Maybe not. On the international scene the question asked will be, “ what is so wrong with England that the Scots want out ”
    It's about time we all drew back, took a calm look at ourselves and counted to ten before irreparable damage is done to both sides.

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  • José Malvinero

    Go ahead, Scots, to follow the example of the glorious Ireland.
    To shit with the English.

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  • Stevie

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  • Monkeymagic


    I am far from anti-Scottish. I am anti the kind of Scottish Nationalist that A-hole is.

    Most people in England including Cameron and Hague think it is a matter for the Scots.....mildly they have no particular wish to break up the Union, nor are they passionate defenders of it.

    A-hole is the type of nutter who believes he is pure blood. His ancestors were robbed by the English (he has no English ancestry in 30 generations) and somehow independence will spite England.

    It is lunacy!! Imbecilic, childish lunacy.

    What is wrong with England, to make the Scots want out, is that the English vote Tory and the Scots vote Labour. They are massively politically distinct. I understand that, and perhaps a split would be better...let the Scots choose.


    You are funny...prattling on about Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Tell me Stevie, why would these people made homeless by war in those countries be looking to live in the UK. Surely they hate us and wouldn't want to come within a million miles...

    Surely they'd be queuing up to go to Uruguay and Argentina. With their rich culture, tasty food, and wonder Nobel Laureates to be.

    So which country takes more refugees, which country grants a greater number of political asylums, which country do more of them want to come to...and are accepted into?

    oh dear Stevie...wheels fallen off your pathetic racist argument again....oh well, pop a few zits, see if you can score.....doubt it though Stevie...LOL

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  • Think

    (143) lsolde
    You say...:
    “Anglolatino posted how the Queen is descended from the Stuarts.”
    I say...:
    I had a British colleague once that could mathematically demonstrate, with 100% certainty, that the glass of water one was drinking contained at least 1(one) water molecule that had been previously pissed by William Shakespeare... The Lady is a usurper to the Scottish throne “Und damit basta”....

    You say...:
    “Do you think that we should have just surrended to Soviet navel power?”
    I say...:
    You, cute petite Squatterette surely know more about “Navel Power” than me....

    You say...:
    “the Americans drag us into all around the world”
    I say...:
    Stop blaming the Yanks for everything... You resemble an Argie Commie from the 60's…

    You say...:
    ”l don't know about the ownership of the Hydrocarbons industry“
    I say...:
    Evidently you don't, dearest...

    You say...:
    ”l doubt very much that ALL decisions regarding Scotland are made by Englishmen.“
    I say...:
    I specifically wrote ”all IMPORTANT“ decisions”, Woman! Can't you comprehend English?
    Finally.................................. a Skål to your Finnish friend.

    Turnip at (152) says…:
    “I said I wanted controlled immigration based on skills targeting those likely to pay into the system and keep to the laws of the land.
    You seem to think this is racist....PMSL
    As opposed to uncontrolled immigration, targeting unskilled, aiming at those likely to require benefits and welfare and not likely to keep the law.”
    I say…:
    The above comment is not “racist”…. But it is classist AND incredibly destructive for the economies of the Countries that have paid for the education of those skilled laborers that the First World wants to cherry picks at its convenience…

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  • Stevie

    I think Pakistan takes the most refugees. Or was it Jordania?
    Poor, unskilled victims of your bombs. In the millions.

    You want to act world police, but wish no responsability for your actions.
    Everything about you is selective. From memory and guilt, to achievements and humanity.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    Oh Twink.

    Firstly it was racist, now it's classist.

    Lol. I don't believe we force anyone to come here.

    Tell me, what is the Argentine immigration system based on? Or the American system, or the Chinese system, or the Japanese system, or the German system, or the Ugandan system?

    Oh yes, they want immigrants that they believe will be beneficial, with skills they are short of, and talents they don't have, who will pay into their system and keep to their laws..

    And as Stevie so generously pointed out, those in greatest need, those in peril or being subjugated in their own countries are also far more likely to be accepted into the UK than many (most) other countries on the planet.

    Try again Twink, not too good at this are you...

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  • A_Voice

    ....there goes the stupid monkey ...if I'd known that you know all about my ancestry it would have saved me a fortune with
    I've still got a few threads to follow...perhaps I should just ask you...?

    Why so defensive about immigrants and racial purity....whatcha hiding..?
    I know you are hiding something... what is it...?

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    132 Vestige


    IT IS IRRELEVANT - just your own little campaign and your own diversion.

    I see no link to the Wikidamia that support your claims of... what?
    What is your point?
    Are you trying to say something?
    What does it have to go with UKIP, SNP, UK, British integrity?

    Speaking of “cherry-picking”, do you think “ ” is a non-partisan, objective, website?
    Of course not. Yet I was able to prove a point by using their own historical statistics.
    Oh, and I read the rest, including the “Synopsis” and their projections of the future of the Monarchy in Canada, IN 25 YEARS.
    Sounds like Malvinistas predicting the 'return' of the Islands - wishful thinking.

    Since these stats were assembled in 2010, your other link tells us there has been a resurgence in support for the Monarchy by both the government and the people of Canada.

    “Bussing” - in 1975, there was a mass exodus of Anglos leaving Quebec permanently. Quebec language laws etc. effectively left Quebec for the Francophones and they achieved much of what they wanted.

    Of those Francophones, by 1995, many were spread out all over Canada working in the arctic, oilfields, fishing, military, remote prairie communities, Ottawa, Federal Government postings, etc. etc. etc. Most by nature of their jobs were gone from Quebec for months at a time, but still identified Quebec as “home” with family, property, or Principal Residence there.

    Good luck with your Anti-Monarchist campaign - I'm sure with enough “cherry-picking”, selective links, and wishful thinking, you can assemble some sort of case to rid the world of the evil English influence.

    Perhaps you'll find a way to make it relevant to a Referendum in Scotland that has been willingly granted by the UK government.

    No matter how you try to spin it, the British and the Monarchy are NOT standing in the way of our peoples Self Determination.

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  • Stevie

    Pakistan and Jordania are part of the UK now?

    Listen, Monkey, of the amount you do accept, tell me about their fare in the British integration system... I know you lot... I was there ;)

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Turnip at (167)

    You say...:
    “Tell me, what is the Argentine immigration system based on?”
    I say...:
    And here it comes again...
    The total ignorance of the non racist but realist & classist Anglo Turnips about anything Argentinean...

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    165 think

    “The above comment is not “racist”…. But it is classist AND incredibly destructive for the economies of the Countries that have paid for the education of those skilled laborers that the First World wants to cherry picks at its convenience…”

    What's the matter, Think?
    Are all the educated Argentine professionals that can, leaving for the US/UK/ Canada/ Australia for more money and a better life for their families??

    I bet they are.
    Ask “pgerman”
    Ask “Stevie”

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  • Stevie

    Nah Troy, I know my worth ;)

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  • Monkeymagic


    Why am I defensive about racial purity and immigration A-hole?

    Because it is ignorant.....look at you, believing that your pathetic vote in a referendum might spite a few people who died 1000 years ago...lest we fucking cretin!!

    Look at Stevie, terrified to eat a curry or a pizza incase it dilutes his pure Uruguayan blood...whatever the hell that is.

    Apparently, being against blatant racism, “the master race”, and pure blood having something to hide......good luck with that A-hole.

    I think you accused me of being a foreigner on another thread...more blind and desperate crap...and more overt racism if I call (your words “I smell a foreigner, so you are not entitled to an opinion”) lol..

    Funny though, all 8 of my great-grandparents were British, and as far as I am aware all 16 great great it seems, anyone who doesn't support your “pure-blood” idiocy must be foreign,,.,,..hahahahahahahahaha....

    My maternal grandmother was a “Bruce” from Scotland funny is that....Freeeeeedoooom!

    Good luck with your “revenge”, give Longshanks my regards when you see him...and remember to find someone in England who gives a shit.

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  • lsolde

    @165 Think,
    You haven't convinced me.
    You are just anti-English.
    Alright, l said “navel” instead of “naval”. Even l noticed that but l had sent it & it was too late.
    But you didn't answer the question, dear Thinkus, just mocked the typo.
    Still, we expect that sort of behaviour from you.
    l don't care about your colleague wasting valuable time on frivolous subjects.
    The Queen is descended from the Stuarts. thats all you need to know, Think.
    How many times in history has a monarch been descended from an offshoot of the original family? James II would not listen to his subjects & so lost the right to rule.
    The line continued through his daughter.
    l don't blame the Yanks for everything, Think.
    lt is irrefutable, however that we have been to war in lraq etc to further American aims AND the British public are mostly strongly opposed to this.
    You don't acknowledge this either Think.
    What do you know of the Hydrocarbon industry that gives you inside information about who owns what.?
    lf you are to be believed(ha!)you are a “humble Argie, living in a shack in Patagonia”(which you stole from the native peoples).
    How do you know that all the IMPORTANT decisions for Scotland are made by Englishmen?
    l just pointed out to you, your highness, that the last 3 British PMs were Scottish.?
    Think, you are a past master at deception, deflection, muddying the waters & outright bloody lies.
    But someone has to counter your b/s.
    I repeat, if Scotland was under any form of yoke, how come the Govt is allowing a vote for lndependence? Answer please. & no yoking!

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  • Jack Bauer

    Vestige, #80, at the time of the Quebecois referendum, I used to meet up on a regular basis with a group of Canadian businessmen (amongst which, several bankers) from Quebec as well as from the anglophone provinces ; when the result was known, all, especially those from Montreal, seemed truly relieved at the outcome ; their unanimous opinion was that they would all have lost had the referendum gone the other way.

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  • Stevie

    Listen, Monkey, of the amount you do accept, tell me about their fare in the British integration system... I know you lot... I was there ;)

    Come on then!


    Jan 19th, 2014 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    What I have noticed is the Expats are the ones that are unsuccessful in their own country and seek opportunities elsewhere...
    Successful people succeed in their own country, but have places in other countries...
    Ermm..Ask “me”

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic


    I have no idea what you are prattling on about, other than in all likelihood it's racist and ignorant crap.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Brasileiro, yr # 66 is you actually have to make an effort to be stupid or does it come naturally ?
    # 54..As for you Voice, you 'n Brasileiro would make a nice couple - at least you could pretend to be the man...

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Still hiding stupid monkey...who are the immigrants then...the wife...the are not fooling me...
    Defensive you are....
    I'm right aren't I...
    fee fi fo fum....I smell the blood of.....a foreigner....

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Racism is not a word, Monkey.
    Racism is a behaviour.
    You think fulfilling a quota justifies you excusive behaviour towards foreign cultures.
    Of course you know what I mean. It's just your selectivity playing you another trick on your ever shrinking ocean of excuses...

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Is that Jack back...I said ..don't you come back more, no more, no more. no more...
    and just 24 hours later....and you're back ....
    Oh and now GO! ...Walk out the door! ....Just turn around now,
    'Cause you're not welcome anymore!.....

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    182 Stevie

    One would have thought YOU of all people, would be grateful to Monkeymagic and his policies to build a better society for all.
    Or did you not qualify?

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (175) lsolde, dearest

    Shouldn't you be preparing dinner for your hubby and that hord of children of yours....
    Remember to feed the cats too.....;-)

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  • Monkeymagic


    You don't have a clue what you are talking about. We set any quota, any rules and any it's up to us if we meet them...

    We set ours at a level which sees thousands a year come here to escape persecution.

    Uruguay sets its at virtually nothing...and no one wants to go there anyway?

    But we are the ones who have an exclusive behaviour...don't think so Stevie.

    Until I found your posts, I never thought there was anyone left who thought eating foreign food would dilute their culture.

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  • Doggy Rap

    It is hilarious that today fewer Scotsmen (23%) than Englishmen (25% - hey Haggis, here's a hacksaw - cut yourself off!) want Scotland to become independent.

    The faith of the independence movement is probably sealed by the fact that some 43% south of, and some 60% north of Hadrian's wall prefer the kingdoms to stick together.

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Please use that as yet another excuse as I have a fabada with a nice selection of chorizos, a shish kebab with rice and grilled tomatoes or the perfect balance found in proper husmanskost...

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @185 Think,
    We've had dinner, Think.
    Lamb Shanks in garlic & red wine with roast small potatoes & side dishes of salads & peeled tomatoes.
    We are early risers & early to bedders(l'm the only one awake).
    But thanks for your concern.
    And its “horde”, Think, not “hord”
    The cats have been fed, too, Think.
    So, are you going to answer any of my points, oh perfidious one?
    Or are you hoping that l'll get side-tracked & just go awa'?
    lf Scotland is under an English “yoke”, as you say, then please explain why the “yoksters”(English, in your scenario)are allowing the Scots a vote for lndependence? Why, Think, why? porque?
    Maybe to impress Argentina? no? not that?
    Maybe to increase trade with China? no thats just silly.
    Do ye ken?


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  • Faz

    Successful, success at being an Rse thats all. Independence for the Scotch now!

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    169 - I hear butthurt.

    Regarding your long detailed second or third rant on a subject that “IS IRRELEVANT”
    I can tell you that its not a campaign of mine, just how I (correctly) see the facts. If the facts please me I can't help it.

    Your links sir,

    Nor have I need of diversion. Ive said a few times now that the Scotland referendum will return a 'no'.

    My point is that Quebec remaining part of Canada wasn't a matter of “good sense prevailing” as Jack said.

    Having digressed into the subject of Quebec/nationalism and culture the English monarchy became relevant.

    Fair point on the use of “ ”

    But I dont think you proved anything, just took one or two choice stats and interpreted them to your favor.

    The 25 YEAR poll was taken in 2000 and is only one of MANY.

    You mention resurgence in the monarchy's popularity, this exists only as a part of an overall decline, a temporary resurgence due mostly to tours/babies/weddings being used as marketing, of which they've almost run out of.

    Next event - Liz's death, and the men of Canada being told they now have a male lord.

    “In 1975, there was a mass exodus of Anglos leaving Quebec permanently”.

    Very interesting, must write it down.

    “Quebec language laws etc. effectively left Quebec for the Francophones and they achieved much of what they wanted”.

    Is that right.

    “arctic, oilfields, fishing, military, remote prairie communities” ...many identified with Quebec etc etc

    Well thats just dandy.

    Its not me you should be addressing when it comes to an “Anti-Monarchist campaign”.
    If the monarchy's existence in places like Canada or Australia is your cup of tea then I'm by FAR the least of your worries.

    That work has been taken up by legions of dedicated, influential, educated people in both those countries. And their numbers are looking pretty positive overall.

    I havent spinned or lied about anything.

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  • Troy Tempest

    191 Vestige

    Forget it Vestige,
    “ the ship has sailed”, to quote Disney.

    CHEK Wiki

    Jan 19th, 2014 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    awwww ...Whats wrong Troy ??

    Tell uncle Vestige.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    The Queen is descended from the Stuarts.
    Can't argue with fact!

    Scotland will not become a republic but shall be a constitutional monarchy.
    Can't argue with fact.

    Quebec didn't vote to leave Canada.
    Can't argue with fact.

    The Scottish Queen will be Elizabeth should they vote to leave the UK. She may be the Elizabeth I in Scotland but will still be the same monarch.

    Elizabeth II’s father was George VI, whose father was George V, whose father was Edward VII, whose mother was Victoria, whose father was Edward, Duke of Kent, whose father was George III, whose father was Frederick of Hanover, whose father was George II, whose father was George I, whose mother was Sophia of Hanover, who mother was Elizabeth Stuart, whose father was James VI of Scotland, whose mother was Mary I Queen of Scots!

    You just can't argue with fact.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    194 Anglotino

    Correction, “ Vestige can't argue”

    He lost his off-topic, Anti-Monarchist sojourn into Distraction.

    Now, he is sulking and goading because he's not getting any more attention.

    Hmmm, sounds like another English and Monarchy hating sourpuss, I know...

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    oh well if we are going through mothers....George V's consort was Queen Mary and her lineage goes straight back to Vlad the Impaler....Dracula...
    So Prince Charles is a great grandson 16 times removed to Vlad III....Dracula...
    You just can't argue with fact.
    I reckon I'm a direct descendant of famous is that why I like apples...?

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    You are right A_Voice, you can't argue with fact.

    And unlike you, I don't need to constantly seek out an argument so I will take what you said at face value and agree with you.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Spot on Anglotino, he is just like a (bad ) Monty Python sketch, arguing into the small hours

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    “The Queen is descended from the Stuarts.
    Can't argue with fact”.

    Vestige didn't argue with that. (or even give a damn about that bs)

    “Scotland will not become a republic but shall be a constitutional monarchy”.
    Can't argue with fact.

    Vestige didn't argue with that.

    “Quebec didn't vote to leave Canada.
    Can't argue with fact”.

    Vestige didn't argue with that.

    “The Scottish Queen will be Elizabeth should they vote to leave the UK. She may be the Elizabeth I in Scotland but will still be the same monarch”.

    Vestige didn't argue with that.

    “He lost his off-topic, Anti-Monarchist sojourn into Distraction”.

    My victorious off-topic, Anti-Monarchist sojourn was fueled by you.

    Now he is smugly looking back proudly on his fact based structured argument.

    He sounds like another Monarchy hating sourpuss whos had amicable relations with English people and wishes the vast majority no harm.

    He is just like a science professor in a room of flat earth apologists.

    He's kind of a big deal round here.

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  • GeoffWard2

    178 A_Voice (#)

    'What I have noticed is the Expats are the ones that are unsuccessful in their own country and seek opportunities elsewhere...
    Successful people succeed in their own country, but have places in other countries...'

    I think, on most measures (except perhaps in terms of money) I have been somewhat successful.
    I have had homes both in my home country and abroad.
    But the term 'ex-pat' should apply to one with a Permanent Resident visa.

    However, my newer title of 'pensioner' changes everything.

    One's life is not black or white, wholely successful or otherwise.
    Successful or unsuccessful? - I leave you to untangle your distinctions, for I think you are muddled.

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  • Conqueror

    @125 What a pity that you didn't study constitutional law. Then you'd know what you wrote is drivel.
    @129 Perhaps you might want to consider that, in 2010, Her Majesty invited David Cameron to form a government. There is no obligation or legal requirement on a Prime Minister to form a government solely from members of his own political party. If that were the case the governments of Ramsay MacDonald, Stanley Baldwin, Herbert Henry Asquith, David Lloyd George, Neville Chamberlain and Winston Churchill would have been impossible.
    @136 Careful what you wish for. 255 British servicemen killed. And 3 Falkland Islanders. 775 British servicemen wounded. Here's one; This is just one thing argieland did. He endured over 70 major operations or surgical procedures. When do you think we'll forget? And you're no different now than you were then. Belligerent, criminal, despicable, mendacious larcenists.
    @145 Just remember, Twinky, Britons aren't “racists”, but argies are. It's in “your” constitution. Strangely, the same provisions in “your” constitution makes it clear that your “immigration” has to be controlled and consist of “skilled individuals that work for “Us” and do as we tell them...” Before you “Think” you have to have a mind!
    @149 The chief lemming of uruguay. It's all about convenience. Argieland likes to watch the lemmings of uruguay immolate in the Rio de la Plata.
    @154 Ah yes, the “refugees”. International law says that refugees must apply for asylum in the first “safe” country. From Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Austria, Germany and Belgium aren't ”safe? Much the same from Iraq. I wonder how your pals in argieland took, and take, those factors into account. Forgot to mention the minefields!
    @158 Dreaming!
    @159 Quite. Wonder how your argie pals feel about the families of the 30,000 they murdered?
    @162 Not all the Irish!
    @164 On Scotland? Agreed!

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  • A_Voice

    I meant most cases....It's fairly logical that if you are successful and can afford makes more sense to have a home base and somewhere abroad of your choosing...
    Are you telling me, that if you had the means that you wouldn't have kept a bolt hole in Blighty...?
    Besides there are exceptions....
    You have a mind to be heading home...if I remember...for health care benefits....imagine if you had kept a cottage and perhaps had been leasing it out...
    Or with money to burn...not leasing it out...
    I personally, put my spare capital into properties in different I have, I have not, so far, seen the property devalue...
    Still think I'm muddled...?

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  • Faz

    Yeah, but they don't usually make their base in joke towns. here's a local lassie -. all the suicide bombers decided if that's what virgins looked like, they wouldn't go through with it.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    203 have no idea where my base is...
    What conclusions have you been jumping to...sucker.... don't even know what nationality I fact you don't know shit....
    I throw you scraps and you gobble them up...well suck them up in your case....;-)))
    How things wasn't long ago I was definitely Mr Think.....

    BTW...the article is wrong...she is not playing the pipes...she is just takes two hands on the chanter to play...
    Also your face would look like that trying to inflate, then and attain a note...your lips have to takes a great deal of pressure to attain a note...a reed in each one of those drones and one in the chanter...
    You would have no chance without teeth...;-)))

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    199 Vestige

    ”(I'm) kind of a big deal around here”

    Vestige: The Ron Burgundy of Trolls

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  • Faz

    Oh dear Voicy, I seem to have touched a raw spot..seem to know all about the Pipes...wonder why that is? Anyway, here's something for you - put in an order...

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    206 would know all about gummy bears...;-)
    Do they keep appearing with your other targeted adverts?

    Of course I know all about the pipes...I have already said I was a lead piper...
    In fact, in that photo it's obvious that she previously found she couldn't get a note as she is actually pretending to blow...that is why she is holding them with her hand...the bag is not inflated...when it is is held underneath your left arm..leaving both hands free to play the chanter...
    ....I will be a lead Piper.... in the invasion of the South.....;-)))

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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  • yankeeboy

    ....I will be a lead Piper.... in the invasion of the South.....;-)))

    what an idiot

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Ooo....look at that....a Yankeeboy post without the Peso in it....
    ...better to be an idiot with a sense of humour... than a Dumb Waiter...

    Let me rewrite it for you...
    “what an idiot...have you seen the Peso rate...”

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  • Faz

    Voicy, you were a lead piper, or...were you a lead piper? Is that the Scotch choice of weapons now? Have you given up handbags? Do you still lift your kilts and wiggle your bums or have you given that up after they got peppered with arrows in that deleted scene in Braveheart?

    I should pay attention to the fate of the Peso because that is the future for any Scotch currency. What will you call it - the Nelly?

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  • Think

    (210) A_Voice

    As the Great Bogie said...:
    A_Voice; I “Think” this .. ... ......... .. . ......... ...........

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  • so_far

    William Hague duties:

    1- Aboout Chile he said: “Chile is one of our greatest friends in the region and a valued international partner. We share common values on climate change, energy, human rights, education and international justice and security”

    What Chile (president Piñera said in return ?

    “the most firm support of our country to Argentina’s rights in the sovereignty dispute referred to the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces” said Piñera at the Government House, La Moneda ceremony ..”

    2- About Brazil he said :
    “..British support for Brazil to have a permanent seat on the U.N. Security Council..”
    “..your country's (talking about Brasil) formidable economic power..” “..UK wishes to forge a closer understanding with Brazil on foreign policy..”
    “..we should always be able to discuss them in a spirit of friendship...”

    What Brazilian officer (Mr Patriota) say in return ??

    “Minister Hague knows that Brazil ... supports the sovereignty of Argentina over the Malvinas and we support the United Nations resolution that calls for discussion about the issue with Argentina”

    3- About Scotaland he said now: “.. the United Kingdom is “stronger and safer together” as he outlined the case for Scotland to reject voting for independence. Mr. Hague spoke of shared values between Britain and Scotland..”

    What Scot Alex Salmond said:

    “... yesterday published an extraordinary wish-list designed to convince Scots they would be better off voting to dissolve the 300-year-old union with England”

    After all that “sucking” attitude and their results, FCO should review Mr Hague skills

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    212 Think
    ....Och aye the noo.....Mr Think......;-)))))

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  • Clyde15

    1 and 2
    Yes, but what have they actually done about it ?
    Have they stopped trading, offered military help, recalled their ambassadors and cut off diplomatic relations ?
    Enlighten me.

    Mr. Salmond speaks for the SNP and NOT the Scottish people.
    He can put the SNP's case BUT it is for the Scottish people to make up THEIR mind.
    Both he and Mr. Hague have equal rights to their points of view.

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  • Corvus corax

    I still have a feeling that the Sir Humphreys in Whitehall have a few tricks up their sleeve should the vote be 'yes'.

    Whatever happens, Scotland will still be a great place to visit. If they've dropped the prices of the Loch Tay lodges then an end of season jaunt might be in order.

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  • Faz

    Twinky, as a resident, how will you vote...probably to stay in Scotchland..Argentina has so many problems - loonies in charge, currency worries, crime, just like Glasgow really ;-)

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Turnip at (217)

    Sadly, I'm not entitled to vote on the Indyref 2014...
    But I sincerely hope that every Single Scot votes listening to their (Brave)heart...

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  • Faz

    Hahaha Twinky, you don't understand the Scotch, their most important organ is their wallets! (Or Sporrans when they wear those sskirts ). My Scotch friends will certainly be voting, and its not for independence.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Thought you were supposed to be at Celtic Connections....have you been telling's already started.....

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    if im correct,
    Scotland will be staying ,
    the queen can be connected to [ALFRED ] through DNA

    Gibraltar will be divided when we leave the EU, but may well follow us,

    the Falkland's will remain with us,

    the united kingdom will remain in tacked,
    We will still be the 5th powerful, riches in the world,
    Argentina will never recover its former glory, thanks to the support of CFK ,
    and Spain,
    she will have to live with her childish actions,

    just my post XMAS

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Voice & Think - two idiots acting like 12 year olds, always having to have the last word...if it were TRULY their last.....

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I'm quite sure it's the only way she connects whatsoever...

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    probably the only way, we are all connected,

    why has merco press not updated yet.

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    222 say that, like it's a bad thing......
    Hey Jack....
    you best be nimble
    you best be quick
    and leave this forum
    or face plenty of stick....

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    MONDAY, 20 JANUARY 2014
    Strategy, Politics, Privacy and Intelligence
    the united kingdom will remain in tacked
    intact--clever boy .lol

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I still think Canessa would have refused :)

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    #225....“'or face plenty of stick'” ?? you dreaming again ?? true to form, even your poetry is shitty...

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    So what are you Jack...obviously not a Brit.....

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Further to my post at 189, please explain why Scotland's “oppressors”(who according to you have put Scotland under a “yoke”)are even allowing a Scottish vote for lndependence.
    Would it not be in their intrests to keep Scotland “yoked”?
    l am waiting, with bated breath, for your illuminating observations, my dear Think.
    Failure, on your part, to answer with a convincing reason for this, will be an admission that you were handling the truth carelessly, OR in fact were just plain lying(gasp, shock, horror).
    Personally, l'm convinced that you DO occasionally lie. :--)))))))))))!
    Come on Think, the mighty viking warrior, are you afraid of a small Saxon woman?

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  • Troy Tempest

    228 Jack bauer

    Beware, Jack,
    Poster @229 says, “So what are you Jack...obviously not a Brit.....”

    This is his favourite line of questioning.

    He will either deride you for being a Brit, NOT being a Brit, or WANTING to be a Brit.

    Any definition of “being a Brit”, is apparently, completely up to him.

    When asked directly, this Troll will not say whether HE “is a Brit”

    He seems to attach a lot of importance to this


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  • Faz

    Mr Voice - not yet, not yet. Been at a gig tonight, and there's King Tuts too...

    Jan 20th, 2014 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Pity you couldn't recognise the plagiarising of an old English nursery rhyme...
    I knew you wouldn't that's why I did it.....
    Thought I would cross Brit off the list...;-)))

    Jack be nimble,
    Jack be quick,
    Jack jump over
    The candlestick

    ...I like to distinguish the Wannabe's like Troy....
    Ho hum...did you think I was just being silly....?
    Too late Troy.... too late....

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  • Troy Tempest

    228 Jack Bauer

    Ooo, That poster @ 233 thinks he “trapped” you, Jack.

    “plenty of stick” is the first thing anyone else would ridicule too.

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  • Anglotino

    Why doesn't A_Voice tell us his nationality?


    Jan 21st, 2014 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Taking a lot of stick....hassle..flak
    Plenty of Stick...hassle...flak....
    Very British indeed..
    Possibly not to a Wannabe like Troy...
    Is Jack your puppet Troy...;-))))
    You seem very concerned....
    I could use British Idioms and colloquialisms all day...that would sail right over the top of your head...simply because you are NOT a Brit....;-))))
    ...I do it all the time....hide them in innocuous posts to see who picks them up and whose head they sail over.....
    You are not a Brit Troy you are a fake Wannabe.....just like your puppet name....
    Imported any cars from San Fransico yet...Arthur Daley....;-)

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  • paulcedron

    235 anglotino
    and why dont you tell us what part of the city of mendoza you are from?
    cuyania, sanjoinaina, puntania?

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  • Anglotino

    Oh Paul when God said brains, you thought he said trains and caught a slow one.

    Where are you from? I'm guessing Argentina. At least I hope so. We don't get many posters that live in Argentina.

    PS: I'm not Argentinean....

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    and why you wrote:

    “I, for one, am Argentine. I was born and raised in a city you may not have heard of called Mendoza.”

    not only ignorant but also a liar
    there are many liars in this site saying they live in australia, were born in the u.s, etc., no?

    it seems they are just a bunch of sad isleños.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest


    Your Euro-cousin, “Narine Nuster”, a 'woman from France', who is really your SA HermanA, is actually your hermanO, a kid from Mendoza (!), Toby aka TTT aka Nostrils, a troll who has never left Argentina, but embarrassingly pretends to be a world traveller and all-knowing “Sage of Patagonia” - “all is well, all is well”, “ we don't need the rest of the world, we outsmarted the world by borrowing money with no scruples and no intention of paying back”

    He is defeated on every thread - you two should get along marvellously,

    Bah ha ha ha ha ha ha... !!

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    guess he / she has traveled a lot more than you guys.
    and in the case that he / she has never left argentina, he / she still have 2.780.400 km² to tour.
    not to mention the number of cities, (real cities with museums, universities, schools, stadia, shopping centers, avenues, buildings, cars, lights, parks, people, etc), mountains, pampas, waterfalls, glaciers, deserts, sierras, etc etc etc

    pretty different from the bunch of isleños who have never left a pair of islotes.
    do you have something interesting there?
    i knew it.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    well, there is the reactor...

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Paul, that one is an Australian that cares more for the Argentine electricity bill, than his own human rights in his own country, as marrying whomever he wishes.

    He's selfless like that, in his reach to solve all problems but his own and the day those get overwhealming, well... He'll go scuba diving...

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  • lsolde

    Further to post #230,
    l guess he is, at that.
    Thiiiiiiiiiiiiink, come out now from under your bed.
    l won't hurt you! he he he he!

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  • Clyde15

    “ Scots aren't much good for anything except dying. Good for cannon fodder.”

    I was going to let this go as one of your insane statements however, let me see if I have understood what you have said.
    So, by your words what the “Scots” were required to do, in the British Army, was to bear the brunt of the heaviest and hardest fighting, take the casualties so that the “English” element would have the easy task of mopping up the remainder ?
    So what you are effectively saying is that the English are not up to the job ?
    That must come as a shock to our military planners.
    Excluding the Scottish regiments, that would mean that any Scot in the Marines and Paras, would have to advance and attack ahead of their mates to clear the way for them.
    That sounds like a citation for the V.C.

    In one of your posts, you mentioned the Scots Guards at Tumbledown.
    I presume then that they were sent in to do a tough job, which by your measure, really did not amount to anything apart from the fact of doing YOU a favour by getting some of them killed. One thing is certain, YOU would be last in the queue if danger threatened.

    I presume with yourself self- professed expertise on military matters, that you speak for the British Army who agree wholeheartedly with your assessment.

    Who built the Destroyers you are always boasting about, and where are the carriers being built. You had better contact he RN to cancel the carriers and dry dock the Type 45's before they sink. They were built by the incompetent Scots !!

    Quite the English patriot aren't you.
    I can sense quite a bit of anti-Scottish sentiment on this site but I did not think it had sunk as low as this !

    If this is the general opinion in England, then the sooner we break company the better.

    With “friends” like this, who needs enemies.

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  • lsolde

    @245 Clyde15,
    Please don't take Conq, seriously.
    Most English do not think like that.
    l am English born & have nothing but admiration for Scotland & the Scottish people.
    lt will sadden me if Scotland leaves the UK, we've been through so much together.
    But l would never condemn any people for wanting to go alone.
    lf thats what Scotland wants, then they must do what is good for Scotland.
    Don't take offence, realise that Conqueror is just, well....Conqueror.
    Most times he is funny, but sometimes he just goes too far.

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  • Stevie

    Top dog of the lawn, you don't expect her to say what we all know, do you?

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @221 Let's stick with “predictions”. I predict that Scotland will remain within the UK. There are good solid reasons for this. (1) Everyone with intelligence knows that Salmond is a bumptious toe-rag with pretensions; (2) Scots think first with their wallets; and then with the purses in their sporrans; (3) Scottish women are more intelligent than Scottish males. Scottish women wear long skirts. Scottish males wear short skirts. Cold air round the gonads. Scottish males do as they are told. Otherwise there's no telling what's in the porridge!
    I've seen lots of discussion by Scots about whether to retain the monarchy. What exactly makes Scots think they have a say? By reading the “Scotland analysis” documents, it is clear that the United Kingdom will continue, just without about 8% of the population. The UK government will make decisions about Her Majesty's role. With “austerity”, I see no justification for providing a Head of State for a foreign country. Especially a country that is making itself “foreign”. List of things Salmond wants but won't get. Use of the pound sterling. Bank of England as guarantor and lender of last resort. Freedom of movement around UK. No border controls. Dual nationality. Access to UK government records. BBC facilities without payment. The monarchy. You see, we English will object to all of them. We've spent enough money pandering to Scotland's aspirations. Independence means that the money, and everything else, stops. Scotland wouldn't even be in the EU! Gibraltar would have a hard choice. Stick with the EU. And Spain. Or stick with the UK. What has Spain ever done for Gibraltar?
    @237 This is called “diversion”. Why don't you let “A_Voice” answer for himself? Is he out of the office getting “his” butt shagged? Is it your turn next?
    @239 Why don't you tell us where you got that quote from. Common courtesy says you “attribute” quotes. Everybody knows that argies lie. Show us where Anglotino typed that.

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  • paulcedron

    next time, try to do your own search.
    lazy isleño.

    US dollar approaching the 12 Pesos mark in Argentina
    53 Anglotino (#)
    Jan 19th, 2014 - 07:37 pm
    ”I, for one, am Argentine. I was born and raised in a city you may not have heard of called Mendoza. I had an interesting childhood, though my parents decided that the constant fear of crime, rampant poverty and all pervasive corruption by the government meant that I would probably grow up into a adult that spouts La Campora propoganda (they are entrenched in our school system) and trapped in a job that wouldn't enable me toake a decent living when the economy crashed again.

    So we emigrated to Australia. Here I study at university for free, don't worry about crime and am comfortably middle class.

    According to your logic, the opinion of those that were born or raised there have more weight than those that weren't. So with all due respect I tell you that you don't now anything about my home country. ”

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  • A_Voice

    ...249 paulcedron (#) ☚...this hash symbol in brackets is a direct link to your future to post a direct link...right click the hash....copy link...paste in to your post and voila...the link below...

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    thanks a voice

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    You're welcome...

    ...well whoopie can thank your lucky stars that you are safe behind your keyboard, in your command centre (bedroom) and never run into me, as the only thing that would be fcuked you...

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  • Jack Bauer

    Troy, you're right about Voicy....his #229, “ So what are you Jack...obviously not a Brit..” totally irrelevant to this discussion, and I'm not going to give him the pleasure of thinking he's smart. The fact that someone is born in a determined country, or adopted a different one as their home, does not mean they need to defend it's megalomaniac government - if that's what they have....being able to discern between the good and bad , and acknowledging it, is a sign of being level-minded...not like some of the turds we encounter here...
    But Voicy, haven't forgotten “plagiarize” means to 'take and pass off as one's own'...that's not what you simply changed a couple of lines, presuming I would understand your little gimmick - which in fact I did, but thought it rather weak - and tried to show off your literary prowess.....well , you failed. That's probably why you call yourself think you should be heard....get a life !

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  • HansNiesund


    If there is nothing interesting in the islands, why are you so desperate to seize them?

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    ....was that it???
    Like I said..obviously not a Brit....
    haha I did make it my own, but left enough to be recognisable to a an English Nursery rhyme....
    So what do you think of fat?..Jack, do you like it or not?

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  • Clyde15

    Another milder rant BUT do you stand by your statement and agree with what I understand you to mean at #245..quite simple, even for you. confirm or retract.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    #255...“”Like I said..obviously not a Brit....“” that your best ?? you must be a real imbecile to believe that by reading a few posts and setting yr silly 'traps' ( ? seriously ?) you can deduce who's on the other side ?? you'd be surprised nincompoop...

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  • A_Voice

    .....noticed you didn't answer my question...Jack... you daren't pretend to be a you know I'll catch you out...
    ...did you have a history all prepared...? Like Troy and his Chemist story?

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  • LEPRecon

    @245 Clyde15

    Ignore Conquerer. He is a racist biggot who does not speak for the majority of people in the UK, whether they be English, Welsh, Irish or Scottish. I have also caught him out in outright lies. He's a Walter Mitty, nothing more.

    The Scotish Regiments have a long and proud history. They're not afraid to get into a fight, and will usually stick to their guns until the last round has fired. But this is also true of English, Irish and Welsh regiments too. It must be something to do with British mentality.

    So what if the English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish have had problems with each other over the years? All families fight, but when push comes to shove we are always there for each other.

    I, myself, believe in the Union, and I believe that every member of the Union benefits from it, but if the Scottish people really want to leave and make a go of it themselves, then good luck to you all.

    I do worry though about the 'so-called' White Paper the Scottish Nationalists wrote. It's a wish list, and I can't see just how Scotland could hope to fund it all, even if you did get all of the revenue from the North Sea.

    I would hate to see Scotland go the way of my forefathers in Ireland, by allowing Ultra Nationalistic pride to come before common sense and the welfare of the people.

    The Irish Ultra Nationalist government destroyed Ireland's economy in a 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' move, when they refused to trade with the British Empire (the largest trading block in the world at the time), and basically destroyed Irelands economy overnight.

    Ireland is still recovering from that fiasco 90 odd years later.

    My opinon is that this isn't the right time for Scotland to become independant. The world is still recovering from the global recession, and the Scottish Nationalists still haven't explained many things, especially how they're going to fund their wish list.

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  • A_Voice

    It's really funny to see British elements of the forum attacking Clyde...Clyde is not a Scottish nationalist....I know one, when I hear one...
    I doubt that he supports Salmond and the SNP at all...
    There is a difference between a Scottish nationalist and a Scotsman that has pride in his national identity...
    You stupid Brits are attacking him and forcing him to defend Scotland and take a stance against all the bigotry....
    If I remember correctly, and that is usually the case, he had no intention of voting in the coming referendum, but I think your ridiculous anti-Scots rhetoric may be changing his mind...
    He is a Unionist and a true Brit you arseholes...unlike the many Wannabes on can't even recognise one of your own...
    ......noo git oot o’ his face ya wee bunch o' Scunners....

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  • Anglotino

    Oh Paul. You really miss the point.

    Not the sharpest pencil.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    260 A_Voice
    It's really funny to see British elements of the forum attacking Clyde
    You stupid Brits are attacking him
    First off,
    Only a tiny majority on here are doing all the [ ANTI ]
    And that includes Argies,
    I am sure [ 256 Clyde15 ]
    Understands this,
    Eye will not fall out with a fellow brit,
    We live in a free speech world today, and every one has their own opinion,
    That is their choice,
    So your support is admirable,

    Eye am a unionist, and always have been,
    United we will stand,
    Divided we will fall,
    There are a lot of leaders and countries out there that would relish the break up,
    We all know the directives of the EU and Germanys part in it,
    A president that would like us to fall in line,
    At this time it would be very unwise for us to break up,

    Let’s wait until sept,
    Besides depending on ones point of view,
    Everyone born in the British isle are British
    One way or another,
    Eye cannot speak for fellow brits,
    But on this site, we tens, are not the millions who will vote.
    So I can only give my opinion and view,
    Eye am a unionist full stop,
    and have nothing against my fellow brits.
    im the good guy, lolol

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Elements Briton...not the whole...they know who they are.....
    ...Not you.....;-)

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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  • lsolde

    Halloo Think, you can come out now.
    Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiink, where are yoooooooooou?
    lf l promise not to try to force you to tell the truth, will you rejoin us?
    You can't hide forever Thinkus Horribilus Maximus.
    Please come home, Mummy will be nice to you(for a little while, anyway!)

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

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  • Jack Bauer

    Voice you noticed I didn't answer your inane question ? how astute of you....“what do I think of fat ?” C'mon, grow up.
    “ you daren't pretend to be a you know I'll catch you out...”..I don't have to pretend to be anything ... I am the nationality (or nationalities) that I am. finito. Catch me out ? wishful thinking of disfunctional brown matter in the place where your brain - if you have one - should be.

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Of course you didn't.... poor Jack sat in the corner now, daren't say anything in case he makes a mistake...
    Show me what a good little boy you are.....
    ....are you sure you didn't mean...Dysfunctional....
    Just one gaffe Jack....I'll be watching for it....;-)))

    Jan 21st, 2014 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    267 Jack Bauer

    Several months ago, it was noticed that poster at 268 had several of the qualities of a Sociopath - the need for attention, being one of them.


    a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.


    “Pathologic egocentricity ”

    “Antisocial Personality Disorder is chronic, beginning in adolescence
    and continuing throughout adulthood. There are ten general

    not learning from experience
    no sense of responsibility
    inability to form meaningful relationships
    inability to control impulses
    lack of moral sense
    chronically antisocial behavior
    no change in behavior after punishment
    emotional immaturity
    lack of guilt

    ” Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
    Other Related Qualities:

    Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
    Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
    Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
    Conventional appearance
    Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
    Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
    Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
    Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
    Incapable of real human attachment to another
    Unable to feel remorse or guilt
    Extreme narcissism and grandiose
    May state readily that their goal is to rule the world”

    The last link is the best.


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  • Stevie

    That's conq he's talking about...
    Oh boy conqui will be happy!!

    Troy found.... your life story....!!!

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Enough of your are embarrassing me....
    What about my bad points...?

    Has anyone noticed that Troy appears to be a bit of a perve...he keeps going on and on about that post about Anal...
    It's getting a bit embarrassing now....
    If you like to hear dirty talk Troy there are call lines for it....

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Voice, so now you are going to be my “spellcheck” in the forum ?...not that it bothers me, but thank you.
    And, come to think of it, you do show a lot of the symptoms of a psychopath......especially the aggressive anti-social behaviour....

    Jan 22nd, 2014 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Thank you Isolde, for your rare yet choiciest comments. A delight!

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