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Argentina imposes strict controls on buying on line
Argentines buying online must now submit a statement to the tax agency, AFIP, before they can receive the goods at the Post Office, as the government seeks to make such purchases more expensive and help curb capital flight. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSimple answer. Don't use the Argentine postal services. Have the goods delivered to a foreign address, possibly in Colonia Uruguay and hop on the ferry and collect. For those that can't I'm sure there are smugglers who will oblige for a fee.so all this does is encourage a black market
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've got a couple of Chilean friends that would likely be willing to help. If they cared about protecting the reserves, they would stop stealing.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians have a very hard time understand the difference between mine and theirs.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The concept of private property seems to escape them
How can you have a functioning democracy, country, economy etc when you don't respect private property?
Short answer is you can't
What a silly bunch of monkeys these Ks are.
50% Import Tax on personal/consumer Interent Shopping?!?!?! Really?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 050%!!!!
So let me get this straight...
Is this Proctectionism (for National manufacturers), OR a method to TRY to raise a lot of Tax due to inability to raise International Debt (due to lack of trust arising from previous default?), OR simply just to try and keep some USD in the country? Or all three?
I envisage more 'red-tape', more bureaucracy slowing down the economy, more opportunities for corupt officials to get some 'lunch-money'. Surely all these new imports need distribution/delivery etc? New jobs for people? (Jobs = Income Tax & Consumer Spending???).
But Spending is a problem......
“Consumer prices are among the biggest worries for Argentines, who often look for deals online to cope with the country's double-digit inflation.” see article above
Because Argentina is uncompetitive?
In all, this seems another idiotic way to strangle the economy, or am I oversimplifying?
Can't they just use FedEx?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 yes, Import tax is 50%. It was for a long time (since well before the Kirchner AFAIK), they just didn´t enforce it much.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am amazed the RG public has let it go this far.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What next? Taxing internet trolls, that would boost the revenue.
@2
In Chile there is a company called Hotbox. You can open a free account with them and they provide you with a PO box in Miami, Spain (EU) and China. You can then buy whatever you like online in those countries and have the goods delivered to your PO box free. Hotbox then delivers your good to your door at a very good rate.
I imagine many Argies will be signing up for Chilean Hotbox accounts.
@6 - Kirchner AFAIK???? means?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also I though Import Tax just on commercial enterprise, not personal consumption? (At least before now?)
-sorry, I'm more familiar withVZLA politics/ecomony/society
@7 Thank you for the idea, good sir.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am critical of several people for just cowing to AFIP and letting them sniff around their assets without so much as a word of protest. However, they are afraid of having their homes taken, and being thrown into jail. Sometimes I think the only way to be free of the Ks is nothing short of beating the hell out of them.
@5, 7 I had a look on the AFIP website. These controls are appropriate to “subjects” purchasing goods from overseas suppliers that enter the country through the official mail or by providers of Postal/Courier services. It includes door to door services. There will be a growth industry called “spies”. Alternatively, watch out for the neighbours. Bet there will be some terrific rewards (in pesos)!
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This may be another step in Isolation 101.
#1 Argentina's postal service SUCKS. For starters there are no drop boxes and you have to wait in line for eons to get a stamp to send a post card. And, whenever I sent things like picture calendars, magazines....they never made i they were stolen.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#5 Elaine.....then with Fedex it has to go through customs....meaning again, it get's stolen. I've tried Fedex and it really is cost prohibitive.
@11 I just mentioned it as foreign courier companies are not subject to this restriction yet. How else will CFK get her designer goods and medication?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Loving the Cristina Comeback Drinking Game:
DRINK ONCE WHENEVER:
She begins reviewing the Government’s greatest hits, as she always does whenever her administration is in trouble and in hopes that you’ll go: “Oh, that’s right. She did support marriage equality. Eh, I guess she’s not that bad.“
She criticizes Clarín, TN or any other media outlet owned by Grupo Clarín.
She criticizes those who criticized her silence, no matter who they are.
She criticizes journalism in general (if it’s Clarín she’s criticizing, drink twice.)
She refers to the global economic crisis as a “crumbling world.”
She mentions Pope Francis.
She criticizes City Mayor Mauricio Macri or the PRO party.
She criticizes the United States without actually saying “the United States.”
She mentions the year 2003.
She uses irony/sarcasm to criticize her opponents.
She praises her administration and her statement is followed by an overreacting audience.
She mentions the “blue dollar.”
She mentions the word “monopolio.”
DRINK TWICE WHENEVER:
She quotes Perón or Evita.
She mentions the dictatorship.
She refers to her late husband Néstor Kirchner as “him.”
The audience begins singing “acá tenés los pibes para la liberación.“
She refers to any other South American country as “patria hermana” or “país hermano.“
She says “First they wanted me to stop talking, now that I’ve gone silent they want me to talk. Make up your mind!“
She mentions the World Cup or the “Fútbol para todos” government program.
She mentions the Malvinas/Falklands.
Dare we say it,
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dare we even mention it,
Seems like a dictatorship to me,
You are being watched, spied upon, followed,
But don't worry, its just to make sure the indoctrination is working ok..lol
Oh, to be free …lol
@Conq
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not sure, but I don't think they are controlling what people carry in to the country as personal items .. yet. There is already micro-trafficking (can I say that?) of consumer items on a massive scale from Chile to Argentina. Last year the number of tourist visits from Arg to Chile was up 30 or 40%, but the duration of the visits was down. Argies are taking short breaks to buy very normal items that they can't get easily at home.
@Optimus
You are welcome.
....
Trolls are maintaining radio silence.
I would like to see either a bombastic defense of this latest measure from a Tobyesque troll, or an incoherent expletive filled ramble from one of the intellectually challenged trolls...
wherever the truth is,
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the argies never are..
@12
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
I make that 39 drinks
Looks like they may have lost control of the Peso
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or finally realized spending U$200MM/day to keep it in check isn't worth it
Axel if you are out there, fyi you I was only off a couple weeks. You now make U$271/mo. I have shirts that cost more than you make in a month.
Sheesh will these idiots ever learn.
(7) Condorito
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hotbox, DHL, Fed-Ex etc etc etc… are no go’s. They are all subjected to the same legislation at entry point……
(14) Condorito
You are right about them short shopping sprees to Chile….
Last one, I got an excellent deal on a Denali Llama an a couple of whisky crates….
Cheaper than on the Internet….
I enjoy this site for the news, the informed debate the interesting comments, and of course, to laugh at the mad little trolls.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where are they now? Hiding under the bed? come out little trolls, come out!
@17
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The official rate gone through 7/1
Those internet purchases just got even more expensive.
@16 If you are still standing it continues:
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DRINK THREE TIMES WHENEVER:
She criticizes Uruguayan president José Mujica.
She starts dancing.
She addresses some of the corruption accusations against Government officials directly.
DRINK FOUR TIMES WHENEVER:
She admits inflation is higher than the Government says it is (don’t worry, it will never happen).
She admits the CEDIN initiative was a fiasco (don’t worry, it will never happen).
She admits the Fútbol para todos was a total waste of tax payers’ money (don’t worry, it will never happen).
She admits she loves to troll people on Twitter (it may happen).
DRINK ENTIRE BOTTLE IF:
She announces her resignation from office. Seriously, drink that. You’ll want to be drunk for what’s coming next.
Credit to The Bubble.
Credit to ElaineB.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are amused! :-)
@Think - the vanguard of the mirco-trafficking business. I presume the whisky was for personal consumption, but what about the raft?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the risk of drawing an opinion, would it not be good and proper if you had better access to such items in the Argie market place?
(23) Condorito
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All strictly for “personal consumption”, of course...
As I don't venture in any waters higher than class II-III anymore; that little Yankee packraft is more than enough....
PS...:
Of course it would be good and proper to be able to get things here but.....
“C'est la vie”.
@18 my dear old Think. Now a self confessed contabandista? AFIP s gonna get
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ya, compañero!,
Think are you still under the illusion that brca has control of the peso?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks like their bags of u$ have run put.
My guess Florida ave will have the stormtroopers out tomorrow.
Keep saying all is well all is well more lithium please.
Dollar blue closes at 12.15 official dollar at 7.14 and it is not even then end of January, at this rate what will they be at the end of the year ?
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To see the future, just look to Venezuela. I was there for the past two months and I could generally get 60-70 Bsf/1USD on the black-market (lechuga-verde) against official exchange rate of 6.3.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before I arrived I was in Bogota on lay-over and changed some USD in the casa-de-cambio for Bsf and got a rate of 39. So the official rate in Colombia is higher than in VNZLA.
How crazy is this?
How soon for Argentina?
@14 We are talking about one issue. But every customs authority deals with evasion. If you carry an item in as “personal baggage”, it will be checked. Customs authorities are not normally limited. Even if they are, they can call in other authorities. Not worth the risk!
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm happy to see the BCRA doing the right thing, wasting precious reserves propping up what doesn't need propping up was a stupid game. Let the market set the rate, I think 100/1 is the way to go, at the current rate of depreciation it will take less than 80 days. Just let it happen Argentina, don't intervene, don't be afraid.
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 Conqs. If you are RG , you just bribe the customs officer. Easy as that
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#24 Tweedledumb, its Burns night soon, how will you spend it without single malt, a Mate perhaps...poor substitute. And, Tweedledee, what about him/her, worrying about hands up his skirt . Thats what you get down at the Combined Services. No underpants, the Scotch are always ready for action .
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two short SA items on CBC afternoon News Radio today:
Jan 22nd, 2014 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To paraphrase,
1) Argentina tries to restrict online purchasing to protect the plummeting Peso
2) Venezuela's President Maduro blames the country's violent crime on TV soap operas and the media.
He says they do not teach the proper lessons to society.
The media says it is another attempt to control media that produce stories that criticise Maduros government.
Venezuela has one of the world's highest murder rates.
Well, they ARE being noticed, and that is how the world sees them.
:-)
they don't know what to do.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0neither the cepo cambiario, nor the price control have worked in the past to reduce the inflation rate.
this new control is more of the same.
@33
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0As mentioned else where I spend a lot of time in VNZLA most recent visit?Dec/Jan ... country is a mess, really a mess, piles of garbage rotting on every street corner, pot-holes everywhere, nothing works, no internal flights unless you book 2 months in advance, 3 hour queues in banks everyday, no international phone-calls from payphones, queues in Supermarkets of 100s people, National Guard poking guns at people in the street, bugger all internet, electricity failures, no toilet paper, no fresh milk, parallel exchange-rates of 10/1, water cut-offs, need I go on ..........?
Oh and got mugged by the Police on the same day, same highway that Monica Spears (Beauty Queen/telenovela actress) was murdered...
And now Mas-Burro is blaming the telenovlas - bit sick really - dontcha think?
Argentina - I have seen your future and it's not Orange!
I feel sorry for Argentineans.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's like slow boiling a frog. It's finally too late when it realises the trap.
@34 For a change I agree with you Paul
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0we are in a shitty situation considering the inflation rate, the quality of the politicians in charge, etc.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0now, it is very funny that a bunch of isleños & chilotes feel sorry for argentina or want to compare chile (lol) or the islets (lolx2) with a real country.
in spite of all the problems, we still are the 3rd most important automotive industry of latin america after brazil and mexico, while the islets and chile cannot even produce a karting.
more or less the same with oil exploration and exploitation, being the 4th in importance, chile and the islets do not count of course.
or with the production of soy and meat, where argentina is one of the most important players of the world, and the list goes on.
so, we have overcome situations like this because we have the resources to do it.
you guys do not even have enough to start talking.
http://www.oica.net/category/production-statistics/
http://www.oica.net/category/production-statistics/
Paul, you are whistling in the wind. Today the BCRA could no longer sustain the official peso rate against the blue. It's not a gloat.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where do you as a porteño think where this is leading to?
@39 Directly to Caracas.... (metaphorically speaking)
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0see my post @ 35 where I forgot to mention the 24000 violent deaths in 2013. Sad but true. Oh, don't need a link, just google it and you will find too many links...
Very strange situation. Weird way to run a country. I live in Hackney, a poor part of East London. If I want Dollars I simlpy pop down to my local Post Office on Mare Street and buy some.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can import what ever I like over the internet, no one asks or taxes me.
Argentina should abandon all restrictions and let the natural market rate take care of itself. It's the only long term solution. You can't buck the market.
I agree with Rupert@41 “Argentina should abandon all restrictions and let the natural market rate take care of itself. It's the only long term solution. You can't buck the market.”
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also, living not far from the Emirates Stadium myself I can vouch for the fact the one can buy as many USD as I need for my frequent trips to LatAm. We only have one exchange rate here. Sign of a well-run country, no need for a 'blue dollar'.........
English Turnip at (41) says...:
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 05:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I can import what ever I like over the internet, no one asks or taxes me.”
I say...:
HOW can Turnips be SOOO ignorant about their own situation?
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/post/internet.htm#1
43 Think
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t be ridiculous. Obviously normal customs and excise duties apply. This is common sense and goes without saying.
The point I was making is that the UK government doesn’t impose special 50% import taxes solely to restrict the spending of foreign currency or to reduce imports.
As I said If I need $UD I can just go and buy them. Indeed I don’t even have to get out of bed; I can just order them over the internet.
The market rate IS the real rate. One day the Argentine government will have to accept reality; unless of course it plans to follow the Alice in Wonderland economic madhouse of Venezuela.
Does Think's link show the UK has a 50% tax charge on purchases?
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nope.
Pwned.
#38 You're probably right that Argentina has the 3rd most important auto industry in LatAm. It would only be surprising if it didn't considering that Argentina has the 4th largest population by 10 million and the 3rd largest country by population has been in an intermittent state of civil unrest for decades.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comparing Argentina to the Falklands in terms of anything other than per capita quantities is not much short of stupid. The Falklands has a population ~20,000 smaller than Argentina so I fail to understand what kind of point you're trying to make.
On this note, it's difficult to find accurate up to date figures. However, the CIA world fact book suggests in 2007 the FIs had a GDP (per capita) of $53,000 compared to Argentina's 2012 value of $11,300.
CFK, after a 40 day absence made a speech on TV yesterday...she advised the people of AR to watch TeleSur TV if they wanted to get real news about AR because the media here lies all the time. And of course TeleSur is the biggest propaganda machine on the continent. Comes out of Caracas...of course. What an idiot...I think its time the media here took out the big guns.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 042 ilsen
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess you know “The famous Cock Tavern” just by Highbury tube. Great place to watch the footie. Ever try the Marquess Tavern in Canonbury? Lovely friendly pub, closed in July for a re-furb and I haven't been back yet. There used t be a lovely, friendly Argentinian bar-maid; Vanessa. Boy oh boy did she hate CFK. “That Bitch” she called her. She's been living in London for 10 years, near Clapton pond. Small world isn't it.
@38
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In most places in the world, a new car depreciates in value after you buy it, but not in Argentina.
46-you have said it.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it is impossible to compare a little colony, financed by the “real” british taxpayers, let's say a parasite territory, with an authentic sovereign country.
@50
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many times you have to be told that the FALKLAND ISLANDS manage their own economy without the assistance of the UK taxpayers, the only service that the UK provides is DEFENCE and we all know why. Small change to our taxpayers, in fact foreign aid is more of a talking point. We have given £ 600,000,000 in aid to Syria ( humanitarian aid ) consider how much has Argentina provided? I understand that you LOT cannot afford it.
“How many times you have to be told that the FALKLAND ISLANDS manage their own economy without the assistance of the UK taxpayers,”
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
yeas, right...
hahaha
@51
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are wasting your time with the paulcedron puppet, he has nothing truthful to add to any debate or discussion.
53
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, he didn't last very long.
Yes, best ignored.
:-D
Turnip at (44)
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You said at (41)...:
“I can import what ever I like over the internet, no one asks or taxes me.”
What about...:
I can import what ever I like (well... almost) over the Internet, no one asks (but the NSA & GCHQ do peek) and, depending of the origin, kind and classification of the bought product, the customs duties, eventual excise duties, administration fees & import VAT) can vary from 0% to ~50%.....
I “Think” it goes without saying and it's pretty obvious who's being ridiculous here......
apparently axel is doing more research on this very subject,
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so they say .lol
55. How's the peso going chuuummmm _p?
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still think it is an orderly depreciation?
You are brainwashed and braindead.
You owe me an apology.
Go on say it Yankee was right and I was wrong Yankee was right and I was wrong.
Over and over until it doesn't hurt any more
hahahahha
hmmm loads of revenue for smugglers in SA if your clever about it you could make some cash on the sly here easily. Regulations like this only enable and reinforce the black market. If I was an rg Id be asking why the govt seems intent on pulling the country into chaos, you can only blame so much on stupidity. When will you consider enough is enough and get rid of leather face and co?
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 057 yankeeboy
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I THINK you are going to waiting a long time for that apology........
Think is always right ( even when he's wrong ) and everyone else is just a turnip.
I don't THINK that he will be posting on this thread any more, as he was so glaringly un-right.
““internet transactions have seen extraordinary growth,” explaining that figures had soared from 1000 purchases a year in 2005 to 30,000 in the last 12 months”“...So Jorge Capitanich thinks that 82 internet transactions or purchases per DAY, is a lot ??? If they had more freedom, or less of those ridiculous restrictions, that number would ”soar” to dozens of thousands per day...
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Elaine (#12), needn't worry about CFK, if she wants some luxury poducts, she just hops over to Paris on the “Presidential” airplane, and doesn't go through Customs on the way back...it's easy to produce legislation that screws only the taxpayer..
59. I'm not holding my breath waiting.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think is an arrogant as* that wonders all day why he is poor and lonely when clearly he is smart and witty.
Dumb as the day is long
Argentina is right!
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A country that proves that it is possible to live and grow outside the capitalist US-EU axis.
Congratulations Argentina! You are a example for all South América!
Why don't you just ignore pond life like Stevie, paulcedron and the Tinker? I do.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have nothing to do this afternoon. So ...
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#38 Paul, I love the way you are so proud of your country that you go around boasting about how they produce more cars than the Falkland Islands. Could you not find any other examples of where Argentina produces more of a product than the Islands?
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#62
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Despite the EU being “capitalist” (I prefer mixed economy) income inequality in the EU is lower than virtually everywhere else in the world.
65 rico, the number of examples are, as you well know, endless, interminable, unending, never ending.
Jan 23rd, 2014 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 48 Rupert. I'm more Finsbury Park/Stroud Green area myself. There are quite a few Argentinians round here, and down Tottenham way also. All here because they can't tolerate the political/economic situation at home. At least that seems to be the general consensus from those I have conversed with.
Jan 24th, 2014 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Small world eh? True!
Brasileiro (#62) you're so full of shit, I mean wtf is “”“ Congratulations Argentina! You are a example for all South América!””....Rgland is not an example for anyone, except for braindead assholes like yourself who believe they're doing well...you are either extremely ignorant, or a fuckin' PeTista .....go and study dickhead !!
Jan 24th, 2014 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 069 Jack B
Jan 25th, 2014 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't forget, ol' Brazzy has multiple operators - a group effort.
His English ranges from Pidgin gibberish to fluent with purposeful propaganda.
Every Troll has purpose,
Ev'ry Troll is good... la la la
sung to: Ev'ry Sperm is Sacred
@70, Troy when you try to imagine where Brazzo's coming from, probably a dingy little 200 sq ft apartment in some decadent area, sharing it with a bunch of other “don't haves, but want what others have”, it's easy to understand why they rant the way they do...they're probably recipents of government handouts who think they know what's going on...and to think that my taxes - if not stolen beforehand by the 'honest' politicians - are probably supporting him and his brainless friends.
Jan 25th, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@71 Jack Bauer,
Jan 28th, 2014 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazzo(like it!) is similar to paulcedron & José Mal-de-dum-dum.
They're all Oxygen Thieves.
At least Thinko has some interesting(although all wrong!)theories about founding the Argentine Empire.
He should stay off the Malt though!
75 bloporta
Jan 28th, 2014 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I rather think yur missing a crucial point. Namely that the Argentina of today consists of land stolen from the south american indians. Patagonia was forcibly incorporated into the Argentinian Republic by armed conquest after Argentina gained independance from Spain.
The British empire has meanwhile ceased to exist. Argentina still benefits from its colonial enterprise.
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