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Argentina among the least well-off economies in the region, says IMF

Saturday, February 1st 2014 - 04:54 UTC
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The economies of Argentina and Venezuela are the least well-off in the region due to pressures on inflation, the balance of payments, and foreign exchange markets that developed last year, the International Monetary Fund warned. Read full article

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  • Anglotino

    Wow so much talk of contagion and contamination.

    Oh oh poor Uruguay and Paraguay.

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    “the government of President Cristina Fernandez prepares to debut a new consumer price index after it was censured by the international organization last year”

    - and it is so easy to predict how this new consumer price index is designed:

    It will contain little more than the consumer articles included in the general rule price agreement. In short just another way to continue INDEC's false inflation index. If IMF's Managing director, Christine Lagarde, when the time comes, has been able to stay out of jail, she will accept the new false inflation index. Real problem pseudo-solved.

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Argentina would't do that!! Would they?

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    1. Is the Argentina Disease the same as the Venezuela Disease?

    2. Are these diseases transmissable across borders?

    3. How can South America stop the contagion spreading to other countries?

    4. Or will it be like The Andromeda Strain - all the countries dealing with AR and VE will become tolerant to the Bolivarian Disease?

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    One point my detractors always came back with on my posts is, “you don't know because you don't live here” and “nobody else thinks a collapse is immanant” “ are you smarter than our economists”

    Vindication

    Yet nary a peep out of Think, Marcos, Toby, Dany...etc etc etc
    Did they crawl back under their rock?
    Can't find a whataboutery to point to?

    Sorry souls

    I hope they all bought sugar and laundry detergent like I have been telling them.

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Narine T. Nüster

    But there is no collapse. You and the rest of the planet can shout, pray, hope, dream, muse, fantasize, and beg for it, but it has not happened.

    The ENTIRE world economic and financial media wants Argentina to fail. Since 2001. They hate the country because for a decade and half it managed to get on with it WITHOUT them.

    They can't stand that.

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    You are right, there isn't a collapse...YET. All the signals are there though and the stupid Marxists running your country are only making it go from bad to worse quickly.
    Let's give you a little example, oil/gas, most is imported, it runs everything you can't use something else. You now will need about 2x as many pesos to get the same amount as you were getting a quarter ago. So what do you do , ask for a raise? Nope costs have gone up and sales have gone down. There's no more profit for business. Oh you work for the gov't you'll get a raise, they'll do it to keep the people from rioting, so they'll print more pesos, 40% more didn't work last year so maybe 100% more will work this year ( stupid Marxists think this). So next year fuel will cost 6x more again.
    There is no stopping this momentum.
    The collapse is inevitable
    It is just a matter of time.
    If you don't see it you are too stupid to teach.

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Narine T. Nüster

    People have been calling for Argentina to collapse since 2003. I remember. They said the recovery of Argentina would not last a year... 13 years later, still calling upon it.

    How many chances does one give someone to get their predictions right?

    In the time the world's financial media has called for Argentina's collapse, the majority of the nations on this planet HAVE collapsed economically in various crises.

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    8. I've explained all of this to you before. Argentina has indeed been lurching towards collapse for a decade. Most economists didn't think the Ks would steal just enough every year from private enterprises or BCRA to continue into the next year. There were also a few years of historic highs for Grains.
    Everything has now been looted. There is nothing left.
    Well maybe U$ in banks for anyone stupid enough to leave them there
    And Soy is down yoy, even if there's a miracle and the crops are decent it still won't be enough to work.

    Again, if you are too stupid to see this you can't be taught.

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron_57

    @ yankee old man
    ...if argie land is so bad what in hell are you posting your sh*t?
    argentina had worst time in the 58 and 89...
    and no one died of starvation
    if you want to feel “sorry” about some country go to India, Bangladesh,Philippines, Indonesia and collect their feces found in the streets!

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    No, the IMF should say what is obvious and true. Argentina is THE poorest, the weakest and most endangered country of all Latam to face the forthcoming international outlook, even Venezuela is better off!! And it’s due to the fact it doesn’t need to save up dollars to pay for fuel. Argentina increasingly has to import more energy and pay more for it while there is less soy stock than last year… And that is IF the farmers decide to sell up in March… I believe they won’t…Knowing this government I have a glitch that I will have to start saving petrol and gas because they might cut up on that.

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Trunce!

    @4

    “1. Is the Argentina Disease the same as the Venezuela Disease?”

    Apparently so - “The Dismal Duo.”

    ”Both have been living high on the hog for years, blithely dishing out the proceeds of an unrepeatable commodities boom (oil in Venezuela; soya in Argentina). Both have been using a mix of central-bank interventions and administrative controls to keep overvalued exchange rates from falling and inflation from rising. Both now face a come-uppance.

    http://www.economist.com/news/americas/21595471-latin-americas-weakest-economies-are-reaching-breaking-point-party-over

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    9//9999999999999999

    Argentina among the least well-off economies in the region, says IMF
    need we say more...

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    8. These are today's headlines from my Google news feed:
    Venezuela and Argentina
    Peso panic and rocketing prices shake the throne of Argentina's Queen Cristina
    Argentina's coming collapse
    Argentina And Venezuela Are Both In Economic Trouble. Which Will Survive?

    and all is well huh Toby,
    eat, internet, eat, internet, eat, internet
    better get used to it.

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Toblerine

    “People have been calling for Argentina to collapse since 2003. I remember. They said the recovery of Argentina would not last a year... 13 years later, still calling upon it.”

    It is only 2014 for everyone else. Not 2016.

    “In the time the world's financial media has called for Argentina's collapse, the majority of the nations on this planet HAVE collapsed economically in various crises.”

    So more than 100 nations have collapsed economically since what..... 2003?

    Look up the definition of economic collapse and then give me your 100 countries.

    Feb 01st, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron_57

    the economist said the british education is bad,

    cnn said the UK goverment asked the “Kuiiiiiin” to reduce her spending

    Walmart is terminating 200,000 employees because of the poor holidays revenues, same with Target, Macy's , JCPenney, Intel....

    the usa goverment does not have funds to pay the unemployed

    the food stamps might be reduce to only $90.00 montly per person

    Congress is divided and don't care if they will shut down the goverment again loosing 25 billons in two weeks

    Life goes on,
    with money or without money...

    Why the islanders are worry about Argetina, a country they hate?

    the islanders don't have any political power...

    the islanders keep posting nonsense comments under 27,000 screen names...
    do you think CFK or the NSA cares?
    hell no!...
    give up crazy islanders,,,,
    ....try to seek donations for a CT-Scanner...you all might need!

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Sounds likes you're living in the wrong country Sussie.

    Oops

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    @16 Ronald MacDonald

    “Walmart is terminating 200,000 employees because of the poor holidays revenues, same with Target, Macy's , JCPenney, Intel....”

    200,000 x 5+ = 1,000,000+ Really? That seems a bit unlikely, let me check. From what I can see Walmart are laying off 2,300, Target are laying off 475 (but advertising 760 vacancies), Macy's are laying off 2,500, JC Penney are laying off 2,000 and Intel are laying off 5,000.

    I make that a total of 11,515 layoffs so where did your figure of 200,000 come from? And what does this have to do with Argentina and Venezuala being the two poorest economies in South America?

    That is so far out from the easily verifiable facts that it makes all of your other claims suspicious too, e.g. “the islanders keep posting nonsense comments under 27,000 screen names...”

    27,000? Apart from the fact that I think I've only seen about 5 people here posting as islanders, I don't think that there is anything like 27,000 people posting on MercoPress in total so, again, you are posting incorrect information. Againg, what does this have to do with Argentina and Venezuala being the two poorest economies in South America?

    “the economist said the british education is bad” Actually it said that it wasn't performing as well as it should be in some areas, but what does this have to do with Argentina and Venezuala being the two poorest economies in South America? Is Britain the poorest country in Europe because of this? Or is this your explanation for your massive exaggerations? Did your education teach you that if you had an opinion it was acceptable to invent numbers in support of your opinion, because that is clearly what you are doing here.

    Do you realise what this does to your credibility?

    So, without the use of any incorrect or irrelevant facts, why do you think Argentina and Venezuala have the two poorest economies in South America?

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    Meanwhile in the Falklands:
    “oil! Come try our lovely oil. Here we are children come try our oil”.

    Meanwhile in Britain:
    “I say chaps. We're going to be the highest growth economy in the western world”

    Its great days in the anglosphere.

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    agreed.

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    Argentine Inflation Rate Now 63%

    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/letter-editor-inflation-rate-63-argentina

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Uruguay is already subsidizing Argentina.

    For three straight years Pepe La Prat has allowed a VAT holiday for ONLY the argies holidaying here and up until this year allowed the arsewipes to have the argie government value against our peso. Couple that with the argies not even exchanging their own currency it makes you wonder what Pepe was up to.

    We all know now! He was arse licking TMBOA for all it was worth to avoid a “row” with her. The Tupamaros ran away from the fight so why can we expect anything different from Pepe?

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron_57

    @18
    “massive exggerations” ????
    The fact that Walmart, one of the largest worlwide store is closing 50 stores in Brazil plus terminating thousand of employees worlwide is not “exaggeration”. Is a fact.

    “Credibility”....??????
    USA Pen and Pencil-In ChiefObama.. keeps promising to the long term unemployeed that “300” business stores will hire them regardless of how long.
    Pen and Phone In-Chief Obama ___a Harvard graduated___keep lying to the usa poor citizens that these stores will hire the unemployed....
    WORST YET! ___ Pen and Phone- In-Chief Obama is blaming his race __BLACK __for his incompetent job performance survey. See the New Yorker edition of 1/17/14.
    So, talking about “education systems”...it seems that Harvard graduates
    teach graduates to lie as much as possible to keep a JOB. That is what
    OBAMA is doing.

    Is obvious that the islanders have posted comments using several screen names. No one FOCUS on the subject. The comments posted about the penguins demostrates stupidity.

    So, having read your comment, please, ....keep sitted on the toilet!

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    23 ron_57

    Why Suzie!!! I didn't know you were part of the day release program.

    “Is obvious that the islanders have posted comments using several screen names”

    I would have a word with your La Campora colleagues who seem to take on a false identity for every month of the year.

    “No one FOCUS on the subject”

    Again, I would talk to your La Campora colleagues about staying on topic. They could learn something, I doubt it, but they could......

    And so BACK on topic:-

    “Argentina among the least well-off economies in the region, says IMF”

    What do you think about the fact that KFC has taken agentina and run it successfully into the ground? and in doing so has ruined the lives of all of those that have voted for her?

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron_57

    @24

    I responded @18 __Zaphod102__ aka__Captain Poppy__ comment....

    I don't have to respond your question.

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    25 ron_57

    That's right!!! You don't.

    Poor Suzie-troll. So much rage and no one to vent it on

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    23.Walmart closing 50 stores in Brazil

    WTF does that have to do with the USA?
    Your meds are off you stupid retard.

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Argentine reserves down again to 28.1 billion dollars, it has dropped over a billion in one week. Tik tok.

    Feb 02nd, 2014 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JollyGoodFun

    @27 - 100% the RG trolls are well and truly up to their eyeballs on blackmarket basement made drugs. I believe Queen Kristina has found a way to increase her holiday/escape fund (apart from stealing from the Argentinian people) - She's now distilling her cast off Botox and ordering the RG Storm Troopers (at a price, albeit hers is inline with the true rate of inflation) to inject it into her poor brain dead “lackies”........ Damn Argentina, you guys need some serious help. If you're not careful you will be over as a country, and your “all for one” SA brothers will divide what's left amongst themselves with a smile on their faces.............. To you RG trolls, to attempt to direct your suffering at the UK, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Falkland Islands (and all others within the Anglosphere) is a ridiculous attempt at deflection. Unfortunately you forget the UK is a very old, wise and powerful Lion, and our young Lions are the most powerful and prosperous on the planet per population. Rule of Law and not the rule of the jungle is what governs the Anglosphere, we're a people of principle, loyalty, courage, hard work, and most of all outward looking. You could learn and benefit from our influence if you had any sense...... unfortunately you have none and the SA vultures will pick your carcass clean....

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    @23

    “massive exggerations” ???? The fact that Walmart, one of the largest worlwide store is closing 50 stores in Brazil plus terminating thousand of employees worlwide is not “exaggeration”. Is a fact.“

    The fact is that you've been unable to prove that your figure of 200,000 for each of 5 organisations is correct.

    You haven't explained what this has to do with Argentina and Venezuala being the two poorest economies in South America. Probably because it has no relevance whatsoever. So why mention it? And why exaggerate?

    “Credibility”....??????

    Are you confused because you don't know what it is? Understandable.

    ”.. the islanders have posted comments using several screen names.“

    Ah, it is ”several“ now, not ”27,000”. So you accept that your initial claim was an exaggeration and incorrect. Well done. :-)

    “So, having read your comment, please, ....keep sitted on the toilet!”

    That is an odd request, but FYI I wasn't sat on the toilet when I posted that message so it is not really possible to keep doing something I wasn't doing. Do my private toilet habits have anything to do with Argentina and Venezuala being the two poorest economies in South America? If so, I'd love to hear your explanation of why.

    Hey, I have a question for you (and I apologise that it is on-topic): Why are Argentina and Venezuala the two poorest economies in South America?

    “I don't know” is an acceptable answer.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    @25

    “I responded @18 __Zaphod102_...”

    True, you responded, but apart from revising your claim @16 of “27,000” down to “several” you didn't actually answer any of my questions.

    “..._ aka__Captain Poppy__”

    I am not and never have been Captain Poppy, as I'm sure Captain Poppy can confirm.

    BTW, I am not sat on the toilet - just so you know.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JollyGoodFun

    @30 - I believe hell will freeze over before you get a sensible and factual response.

    I think Monty Python and the Holy Grail sums up the RG Trolls:

    BRITON #1: Halt! Who goes there?
    KRISTINA: It is I, KRISTINA, daughter of Uther Pendragon, from the castle of Mercosur. Queen of the Argentines, defeater of the Anglo-Saxons, sovereign of all the World!
    BRITON #1: Pull the other one!
    KRISTINA: I am. And this my trusty servant Patsy Timerman.
    We have ridden the length and breadth of the land in search of knights who will join me in my court of Mercosur. I must speak with your lord and master.
    BRITON #1: What, ridden on a horse?
    KRISTINA: Yes!
    BRITON #1: You're using coconuts!
    KRISTINA: What?
    BRITON #1: You've got two empty halves of coconut and you're bangin'
    'em together.
    KRISTINA: So? We have ridden since the snows of winter covered this
    land, through the kingdom of Mercea, through--
    BRITON #1: Where'd you get the coconut?
    KRISTINA: We found them.
    BRITON #1: Found them? In Mercea? The coconut's tropical!
    KRISTINA: What do you mean?
    BRITON #1: Well, this is a temperate zone.
    KRISTINA: The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin
    or the plumber may seek warmer climes in winter yet these are not
    strangers to our land.
    BRITON #1: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
    KRISTINA: Not at all, they could be carried.
    BRITON #1: What -- a swallow carrying a coconut?
    KRISTINA: It could grip it by the husk!
    BRITON #1: It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple
    question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a 1 pound
    coconut.
    KRISTINA: Well, it doesn't matter. Will you go and tell your master
    that Queen KRISTINA from the Court of Mercosur is here.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @32

    Lol. Jolly good fun indeed.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @32
    Did KRISTINA pay the import duty on the coconut? 50% isn't it?
    LMBO

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    NYT times is predicting a massive devaluation.
    Finally the world is seeing what I have the past few years
    I wonder what took so long?

    Prices have doubled in some areas and there are the shelves are empty, no more cc financing, no more personal loans, cash only at gas stations.
    The problem with this is that a great majority of the Rg population was buying food on payment plans.
    And food went up 30% in the last couple of weeks

    This is rolling out just as I have been predicting.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    One job between you. One job betweeeeeen you

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JollyGoodFun

    @33 - thanks, it's a great film. The reality of Argentine logic is far more entertaining.......... @34 - Kristina left her money (I mean The peoples money) back in Cuba. As a result she had to pay with mouth. Hence the new Botox injections to cover up the stretch marks around her lips and cheeks...... Last I heard it was newly recruited 70 unwashed dockmen (released early from prison to save money) and 2 customs officers (with fa fisher Price make it your self scanners)...... The other 5 customs officers wanted cash as they said she was a big disappointment the last time she paid with mouth.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich is pretty desperate.

    On rising fuel prices:

    “Shell’s attitude is not a coincidence; it’s an attitude which goes against the country’s interests. Shell’s attitude is always conspirational,”

    On disappearing reserves:

    ”The levels of reserves right now in Argentina are more than enough. ”

    How does he keep a straight face?

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    38. Botox

    Hasn't YPF doubled prices in the last year? Psst that's the gov't.

    I hear there are lots of stores closed because nobody wants to sell at these prices since they know the peso depreciation has not stablized.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JollyGoodFun

    @39. I've been a keen follower of the commentary on these articles for about a year now, your predictions have been bang on. Argentina is imploding and it only seems to be speeding up........ Sir! I'm electronically patting you on the back for a job well done...... If only the RG trolls put their countrymen first.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @39 Like the last crash when nothing was priced and the exchange rate was worked out at the till because it was changing so fast?

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Major lawmakers of the ruling Victory Front (FpV) launched a push over the weekend to implement a National Grains Board to control the exports of grains and oilseeds that would be along the same lines as an agency created by Juan Domingo Perón almost 70 years ago.

    According to government figures, cereal exporters should sell between US$27 billion and US$30 billion between unsold and yet-to-be-sold stock. Farming groups say the real number is actually US$13.7 billion — reportedly the same amount as last year.

    I would love to see the gov't try and confiscate the SOY.
    I would love it.

    http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/151213/gov%E2%80%99t-allies-seek-state-control-of-grain-sales

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @42 It would not surprise me if they do. There was a good reason they took over the railways last year. They can't rely on the teamsters to haul the confiscated grain.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    43. The railways are in no shape to do it either. I hope they try to take the Soy.
    Even at the hint of it the Farmers should stop shipping food to BA.

    Then we'll see change.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Andy65

    To My Dear Argentine Trolls

    Seems Walmart are hiring, building and investing in The UK perhaps it's just South America with all it's poverty where they are pulling out of.

    http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/394265/Asda-unveils-700m-spend-on-expansion

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @6, 8 Slight problem. In the early 2000s, we didn't mind whether argieland improved or collapsed. NOW we do. Argieland has indulged in so many corrupt, criminal, illegal, illegitimate actions that the world wants to see it collapse. Watching every move. Going DOWN!
    @10 Didn't hate you quite so much then! Plenty of faeces in your villas.
    @16 Lost it have you, Daa Doo Ron? 27,000 screen names? Up here in the UK and down there in the Falkland Islands, we're going to watch you DIE. And we're going to laugh. Maybe we'll move in when you're DEAD!
    @23 Wow! Walmart closing 50 stores in Brazil. But then it has 553. Less than 10%. Wow!

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    Argentine Implied Annual Inflation Rate is 74% - Even Worse Than Syria!

    http://www.cato.org/research/troubled/currencies-project

    Cristina must be given more time to propel Argie-Land back into the dark ages.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    Capitanich, former Governor of a province and chief of ministers told the press yesterday: “Saving money is something that promotes greed and has little solidarity with all the Argentines. It also delays the expansion and economic growth”...for God's sake these people are crazy...mad...mad...mad

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    48. BCRA also told importers and anyone with notes payable or invoices in U$ to find the U$ outside of the country because there's none left in Arg.

    Cue Int'l mfgs leaving

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Andy65

    Looks like the pro Argie trolls are lost for words again.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @50

    I am “pro Argie”...I was born there, it is also my country and the place where my pleople live.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great Britain

    Looking at the figures any farmer who can afford not to would have to be CRAZY to sell his Soy - they'll have to steal it.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 50 Andy65
    “Looks like the pro Argie trolls are lost for words again.”

    Let’s hope it goes further than that and at last they are beginning to realise that La Camping-It-Up are blowing smoke up their culos!

    There must come a point when even the most stupid and indoctrinated of them such as Axel will realise that they are being lied to and that will be the tipping point.

    We are some way from that though.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Andy65

    @pgerman,Pardon me for saying but I feel sorry for you poor bugger.

    Feb 03rd, 2014 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    @32 “I believe hell will freeze over before you get a sensible and factual response.”

    I think you are probably correct. I tend to be more of a lurker here, but “Ron”'s figures of 200,000 and 27,000 were so ridiculous that I had to challenge them. He/she has now reduced the latter figure to “several” which is probably a lot closer to the correct value (zero seems likely) so it is more difficult to argue against and I regard that as a recognition that the 27,000 was a complete fiction, which I regard as small success for reason over bs. :-)

    “I think Monty Python and the Holy Grail sums up the RG Trolls:”

    Absolutely! I wonder if as reality deviates even further from the Kirchnerite propaganda it results in ever more extreme claims to fill the widening gap? If so, more comedy is guaranteed... ;-)

    Feb 04th, 2014 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    A Public Service Announcement * Feb 4, 2014
    --- Official Bolivarian ‘Wonderland’ Exchange Rate in Venezuela ---
    BCV 6.3Bsf / 1USD (SICAD 11.3Bsf /1 USD)
    ----Today’s Reality Cheque --- The ‘Lechuga Verde’ or ‘Blue Dollar’
    81.46 Bsf / 1 USD
    106.97 Bsf / 1 Euro
    See http://dolartoday.com/
    Brought to you by Ilsen Publications ©2014 (*because dolartoday.com website is blocked in Vnzla by the current ‘administration’/dictatorship and the Press are banned from reporting it)

    So how is MercoSur looking now? Anybody think the “EU-ians” really want to do trade deals with Argentina and Vnzla?

    Feb 04th, 2014 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JollyGoodFun

    @55 - “I tend to be more of a lurker here, but “Ron”'s figures of 200,000 and 27,000 were so ridiculous that I had to challenge them”

    I'm similar: I tend to read the articles and then browse the commentary, then having read the constant lies and misdirection from the paid Argentine “lackies” I also had to comment.

    I'm surprised at the level of BS that is written by them. The strangest part is that i'm not convinced they know it is BS. It must be a very repressive and controlling regime (Kirchernites).

    I think you definitely achieved a win. They cannot argue with the cold facts (even if they do not believe them).

    “more comedy is guaranteed” - I surely think so, especially with the amount of silliness that comes out of the Argentine regime and their puppets.

    I think a Life of Brian edit sums up the blind following of the Malvinistas/Peronists.

    Man in crowd: Hail Messiah!
    Cristina: I'm not the Messiah! I'm a lying thieving, grumpy old troll!
    Man in crowd: I say you are the Messiah, Lord, and I should know;
    I've followed a few!
    Malvinista/Peronist Crowd: Hail Messiah!
    Cristina: I'm not the Messiah, would you please listen, I am
    not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly! I'm a lying, thieving, grumpy old troll!
    Malvinista/Peronist II: Only the true Messiah denies her
    divinity.
    Cristina: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me?
    All right! I am the Messiah!
    Malvinista/Peronist Crowd: She is! She is the Messiah!
    Cristina: Now, fuck off!
    Malvinista/Peronist Crowd: [Silence]
    Malvinista/Peronist in crowd: How shall we fuck off, oh Lord?
    Cristina: Oh, just go away! Leave me alone!

    So, so, so true!

    Feb 04th, 2014 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Oh my favourite (paraphrased!) quote

    Cristina: “You are all individuals!”
    Trolls: “yes Lord, we are all individuals!”
    Chief Malvinista: “I'm not!”

    hehee!

    Feb 04th, 2014 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JollyGoodFun

    @58 - I'm electronically high fiving you right now :)

    Feb 04th, 2014 - 03:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @59
    Thanks, it's a favourite! :-)

    Feb 04th, 2014 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    @57 - “I think you definitely achieved a win. They cannot argue with the cold facts (even if they do not believe them).“

    Thanks. ”Ron“ appears to have gone very quiet.

    “Man in crowd: Hail Messiah!
    Cristina: I'm not the Messiah! I'm a lying thieving, grumpy old troll!...”

    :-D

    Feb 04th, 2014 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BLACK CAT

    @57 Lol

    I'm Brian and so is my wife

    Feb 04th, 2014 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    “Argentina among the least well-off economies in the region, says IMF”

    NOTHING NEW!

    Feb 04th, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    If Kretina and Co would have put as much energy and enthusiasm into the Argentine economy as they have done with the baseless 'Great Malvinas Lie' then the country wouldn't be in such a mess.

    Feb 04th, 2014 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DJ56

    Venezuela and Argentina: proof that populist fantasy politics will, in the longer term, always lead to complete economic collapse.

    Feb 05th, 2014 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ck177

    nothing to worry...argies can cope with anything!

    Feb 05th, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    66. The inability to buy fuel is the biggest problem. Argentina has never had that problem before.
    It will be interesting to see what happens when the gov't doesn't have the U$ to buy LNG, diesel & jet fuel.
    Very interesting indeed

    Feb 06th, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ck177

    Zaphod102

    Don't worry about “Ron”....

    Ronaldo or Ronata keeps sniking in this Merco_sh*t hole_Press...

    jijiji

    Feb 06th, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    I'm not worried about Ron. He seems to have disappeared. Maybe he'll return as one of his 27,001 other personas. ;-)

    Feb 07th, 2014 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ck177

    @69
    WRONG again
    YOU have REACH 27,996..
    uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuujajaj ;-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    @70
    Since ron_57 didn't answer my questions I can only conclude that he is unable to defend his claims in a sensible, honest manner. Therefore his claims are confirmed as having no value.

    Clearly ck177 is clearly another incarnation of ron_57 and he/she changed his/her persona because ron_57's credibility had been blown. ck177's nonsensical response means that his credibility has been blown too. Oh dear. :-D

    Feb 08th, 2014 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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