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Quasi-monies could be back in Argentina if provinces don't receive financial support by March
Quasi monies could be back in Argentina since many provinces and city councils are running short of funds and the federal government is not sending the checks be it because of political differences or simply because there is not enough money to go around. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt's like the worst possible Groundhog Day!
Feb 04th, 2014 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0”But hard core Kirchnerites wasted no time and were quick to reply: ”2001 crisis has nothing to do with the current situation. At the time there was 30% unemployment and 60% of Argentines were living below the poverty line; eight million people had no jobs and hundreds of factories closed: this is not the situation now”.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mmmm!
Just give it another six months and you will be there or there about.
But where will TMBOA be by then, hanging by her neck off the balcony of Casa Rosada if the people are lucky.
Argentine states (provinces) should stop funds going to the central government,use them locally and think about Independence,the present model does not work and has,nt since 1930
Feb 04th, 2014 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paticones again, when you run out of other peoples money, again...
Feb 04th, 2014 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Appears the malvinas have been in argentine goverment hands all along.:)
Feb 04th, 2014 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Diffrent currency check
Diffrent defence forces well its not like the central goverment could afford to send a boat to the islands
Self regualting well its not like the argentine goverment could afford to regulte them.
You just forgot they were yours and the islanders sorted themselves out :)
Isn't the peso argentino already a quasi money?
Feb 04th, 2014 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Australs :)
Feb 04th, 2014 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are creating more restrictions for internal purchases now. All purchases with a credit card must be with 6 payments or less. They are now threatening farmers again?
Feb 04th, 2014 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently, the Kircherites can't function without making someone else's life difficult.
Watch the unofficial rate rise considerably today. Tick-tock...
@8
Feb 04th, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at the cost of credit
Argentina Personal loans on the Web 2nd. Feb 2014
National Bank - Nominal annual rate (fixed, up to 18 months): 31%. Total financial cost: not stated
City - Nominal annual rate (fixed, 12 months): 36%. Total financial cost with insurance: 53.42%
Province - Nominal annual rate (up to 72 months): 46.56%. Actual total financial cost: 59.74%
Galicia - Nominal annual rate (6-60 months): 49%. Total cash VAT Rates: 82.6%
Santander - Nominal annual rate (up to 60 months): 50%. Total financial cost with VAT: 84.19%
Citi - Annual nominal rate (12 to 60 months): 49%. Total financial cost with VAT: 83.25%
French - Annual nominal rate (12 months): 39%. Actual total financial cost: 83.16%
HSBC - Nominal annual rate (up to 12 months): 39%. Total financial cost life insurance: 61.29%
Macro - Nominal annual rate (up to 12 months): 39%. Total financial cost: 61.69%
Told ya....
Feb 04th, 2014 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bad news for those who can't afford to buy a bottle of Single Malt, I “Think”?
Feb 04th, 2014 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 08. They are trying to dry up demand for imports, cars, computers, electronics. Most Rgs can't afford to buy even the smallest appliances out of their monthly cash so they use quotas.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember going to Coto/Disco and the people in front of me almost always put their purchases on installment plans. Even if it was just some food.
The Ks think ( they are wrong) that if they make purchases impossible it will get them through this immediate crunch w/ the reserves until the SOY $ comes in.
All the hopes of the Ks are on the Soy $.
What a mistake
What an awful way to run a country when so many people will be devastated.
@12 That idea doesn't make a lot of sense. Apparently, the K's are less concerned about how many people they upset, and more about how much they can steal before they end up being burned.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Que quillombo... These poor snott's haven't got a clue... Genius's in their own minds...
Feb 04th, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This time it doesn't seem to be the fault of anyone but their own - they cannot and must not blame this situation on any other nation or entity. This would be their usual behaviour - laying the blame elsewhere - but this time NO! NO! NO!
Feb 04th, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 013. Why do you think it doesn't make sense? The Ks are deliberately driving down demand for imported goods, cars first and now everything else. They think it only needs to be until March. I say they are very very wrong.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 It generates resentment, and uncertainty. Everyone watches how their standard of life is being eroded. The questions that course through everyone's mind is “what stupid law is she going to pass this week?”
Feb 04th, 2014 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As time goes buy, she will start shaving away the working poor within her following. The only people that will be left supporting her are receiving money for it, and that won't last.
@11
Feb 04th, 2014 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be sad indeed, a distillery is being specially constructed in Chubut, specifically to service the requirements of Snr Think.
“Our whisky will be single malt yet very Argentine. We have no desire to re-create a Scotch, American nor any other whisky.”
http://www.connosr.com/worldwhiskyreview/issue-8/el-gringo-unmasked/
Hmmmm, I think I'll stick with the real thing, which of course is now guaranteed.
“The Spirit Drinks Verification Scheme has been set up by the UK government to help consumers identify genuine UK-made products.”
http://www.connosr.com/worldwhiskyreview/issue-8/el-gringo-unmasked/
IOUs? Not really very wise on the part of some argentine provinces to follow the example of the United State's most important state.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps not the end but the beginning of the end of the current Argentinian government who have demonstrated that they are politically and economically incompetent.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 Trunce
Feb 04th, 2014 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably be producing Turnip wine/brandy in Chubut.
@21
Feb 04th, 2014 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL
@19
Don't think there were any problems with the 450,000 registered warrants (IOU's ) issued.
http://www.sco.ca.gov/eo_registered_warrants_2009_faqs.html
Also used in Japan.
http://www.sco.ca.gov/eo_registered_warrants_2009_faqs.html
And Ireland.
http://www.sco.ca.gov/eo_registered_warrants_2009_faqs.html
Difficulties in Argentina seem to based differing language nuances. For example -
IOU= Stiffed.
Bond= Gift.
And what does any of this article have to do with YOU?
Feb 04th, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought so.
There's a headline right now on TN saying Shell wants to dollarize oil.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gasp the nerve!!
Silly Marxists ruining the country.
When will they ever learn.
@23
Feb 04th, 2014 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But as a EUian the article is to do with you ; )
You people protest a lot about the term “EUian” but deep down you all got a good laugh out of saying it out loud.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This forum would be duller than a blank notebook without me.
@26
Feb 04th, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Snr Think - let's give credit where due, (no pun intended re credit).
@26 Toberine
Feb 04th, 2014 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“This forum would be duller than a blank notebook without me.”
I thought you had recovered the control of you account from the narcissistic Mendocino.
@26
Feb 04th, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”You people protest a lot about the term “EUian”
Not me, if that's what you want to be, then that is your choice - it's called self determination (cue Brit Bob : ). Self determination is a good thing - no?
11
Feb 04th, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then it's fortunate that Mr. Think is friendly with someone that would think nothing of sending him a bottle of any particular single malt, he was short of, from the source.......;-)
@30
Feb 04th, 2014 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooh, careful with that one.
Snr Think may be best sticking to the Chubut produce - wouldn't want him to develop reflux,barrett's esophagus, or worse, if he were to discover the truth about his tipple....... It's English ; )
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-25863920
Psst, and don't tell Clyde.
Lol! Looks like Mr A_Voice is in love with Mrs Think! Mmmmm
Feb 04th, 2014 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 031
Feb 04th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe it's down to the water....water of life....
32
Nah...I've just got plenty of lolly......
If she put more effort into running her own country,
Feb 04th, 2014 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rather than swanning around the Americas pressuring the British and the Falkland's,
she may well have enough time to run her own country properly.
just saying like.
@33
Feb 04th, 2014 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe- Peat tannic acid is wonderous stuff. Pete Bogg is wearing well given his age.
Thank God I live in a federation that works. Also that Australian states are sovereign entities and able to issue debt without permission from the Federal government.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps Argentina needs to devolve power as much as possible from a central government. Supposedly Mendoza is an extremely stable and well run province. I'm sure they would love to control more of their own destiny.
“”“”Que quillombo... These poor snott's haven't got a clue... Genius's in their own minds...“”“”
Feb 04th, 2014 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0enough about Think already....
@36 I doubt the K's would ever want that. The reason Peron chose to introduce his brand of nationalism was because Argentina was a very divided country. He needed to unite a very disparate country.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When I was in Cordoba a few years back there was a strong wish to be separate from Buenos Aires. The hatred towards porteños was palpable. Leaving aside the history of wars between the provinces they cited the arrogance and brash attitude of porteños as the reason.
That stupid CFK is now increasing retirement benefits right after the student benefits!
Feb 04th, 2014 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is literally insane.
Somebody better do something soon.
The old folks would be starving in weeks if she didn't, given the rate of inflation.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will just drain the money faster.
It can't drain Pesos they're flying off the press in both Arg and Brazil.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 02014 Inflation will be higher than 50% and I am now thinking around 70%
@ 26 Narine T. Nüster
Feb 04th, 2014 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This article has a lot to do with us - we are lined up to make a mockery of the most arrogance nation on earth!
I am loving it. If provincial politicians had any brains, they would seriously consider seceding from Buenos Aires.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Things were bound to ketchup with CFK in the end!
Feb 04th, 2014 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/argentines-up-in-arms-as-mcdonalds-runs-out-of-ketchup-amid-peso-pressure-9106651.html
LOL! But, but, we were told Argentines don't eat Maccy D's! You have to wonder if any of the K supporters actually live in Argentina.
Feb 04th, 2014 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45
Feb 04th, 2014 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps they don't eat Maccy D's - just the ketchup : )
41. Interesting to seethat the BCRA is underreporting its daily US$ spend on keeping the peso affloat.At the end of each week the actual amount spent is $30-40m more each day.As any bets on the date on which they will run out?
Feb 05th, 2014 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ugh you British, its Micky Ds. :) Yeah idiot paul went on and on and on last night how nobody eats there. Come to think of it Toby said the same thing...hmmm
Feb 05th, 2014 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 047. They're underreporting but the reserves keep falling. Under U$27B now which means they might have U$5B in cash left. I have not been keeping track.
Who used to do that on here? Poor thing, he's probably in prison now.
Where are all the SWM's with three names when you really need one...
Feb 05th, 2014 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Teachers want a 62% raise.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Except even if they get it chances are it won't keep up with 2014 inflation.
Will this be the year inflation tops Venezuela?
Could be
Could be
Do all the Rg trolls remember me saying look to Venezuela that is your immediate future?
Nah probably not
@48 You say potato and I say potato. Um, doesn't really work when its' written down. LOL
Feb 05th, 2014 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, In the UK it is Maccy D's not Micky D's but hey ho.
unless you do it like this...
Feb 05th, 2014 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You like potato and I like potahto,
You like tomato and I like tomahto;
Potato, potahto, tomato, tomahto!
Let's call the whole thing off!
...you have made that up....Maccy D's....never heard that before....
@53 LOL! I shall remember that. I didn't think you were soooooo narcissistic that you assume something doesn't exist just because YOU have not heard it. Try googling it.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 053. It is more correct than Micky Ds.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you British are always using the wrong words.
We're just too polite to point it out.
@52
Feb 05th, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mcdonalds-applies-for-maccy-ds-trademark-433655
ok...I just did....
Feb 05th, 2014 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Maccy D
A chav term for MacDonalds. Often used to impersonate chavs when in town.
”Shall we go to Maccy D's?“
”Innit.”
ha ha...that's why I've not heard of it....;-))))
@56
Feb 05th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chavs? Nooo.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/mcdonalds-bristol-couple-hold-150-2099464
I've always had my suspicions with ElaineB...with her pretentious ramblings....
Feb 05th, 2014 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0..the chav slip confirmed it...;-)))
here she is...
http://therhonddarover.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/chav.jpg
I think it is funny that people trash McD yet, its by far the largest restaurant chain in the world with U$27B in sales and 35,000 outlets serving 70MM customers a day.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet people like to pretend they've would never consider going there.
Its sales are bigger than almost 100 of the world countries GDP.
Silly people
@43
Feb 05th, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's because you are a loser foreigner that has not even the slightest notion of what LOYALTY to one's country is. You are a dastardly tergiversator, ululating and machinating surreptitious artifices is THE quintessential characteristic of the non-argentine, their only ratiotination is secession. Thus why Brazil has separatist movements up the wazoo.
It is more likely RIo Grande do Sul joins Argentina, than any argentine province even CONSIDERING secession.
This was from just a few years ago and this next collapse will bring it around again:
Feb 05th, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/27/world/some-in-argentina-see-secession-as-the-answer-to-economic-peril.html
''What is taking place is a search for options,'' said Gerardo Mario de Jong, director of the regional studies program at Comahue University here. ''People are questioning the concept of a single national center of power that many of us blame for our problems.''
An independent Patagonia would be a sparsely populated but prosperous nation. Though fewer than 5 percent of Argentina's 37 million people live in Patagonia, the region accounts for nearly half of the country's territory, much of its fresh water supply and hydroelectric power and 80 percent of its oil and gas.
Traditionally, resentment of the central government has been especially strong in Patagonia, which regards itself as a neglected stepchild of the rest of the country. The region was administered as a federal territory, its residents unable to elect their own governors and congressional legislators, until the 1950's.
What a silly anencephalous NorthAm.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Patagonia LIVES of the dime of the rest of Argentina. They never have considered anything of the sort and to quote American media, which are the worst-informed rags on Earth, which quoted some frustrated isolated individulas, s simply risible.
I guess if Clarin goes up to Texas, California, Northwest, Alaska, the deep South and ask the same question to people, then the conclusion is the USA is FARKED! Split up in at least 6 countries soon. And that's even before the big economic meltdown coming up!
“Much of it's fresh water supply”
Duh, ice fields that are completely superfluous in consumption.
“Oil and gas”
Which they get to use at HALF the price the rest of us pay. Independence equals paying full price, equals a massive collapse of living standards as shipping goods and travelling around a region will double.
They know where to stay.
No secession movements in Argentina since 1860!
62. Yeah okay. I think I'll take an actual news article than your crazy unsubstantiated rants.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need to be studied.
I hope hope hope the gov't tries to take the stored Soy from the farms
That would make my day!
62) Nobody wants to see Argentina split up but when all the roads lead to Rome, and the fundamental structure of the country is unfair then there must be more regional calls for autonomy.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DLR had the suburbs of BA rise up against him in 2001 and he did not last a couple of days but the rest of the country was calm…Whilst you can have the entire country up in flames like last December but you keep the Conurbano disciplined with punteros & barons you can even have a massive party at the Rosada and the President dance on TV after 13 people have being killed. There are just too many things that are profoundly wrong and unfair
I have no problem moving the capital.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have always said Argentina and Uruguay should Anschluss and the capital of the country moved to Montevideo or right in the center of Uruguay.
No country would willingly become part of Argentina. It is a mess and an Int'l joke.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't wait to see the spectacular collapse.
I really hope you've been buying sugar and laundry detergent to trade.
My poor buddy in BA was just laid off and can't find a job. He doesn't even have enough u$ to buy a plane ticket out of that horrible place.
I feel so sorry for him he is very worried. His family used ot be solidly middle class but now they are dirt poor.
So sad.
65)Its not just about simply moving the capital of the country to Viedma, Rio Cuarto or the NOA like politicians have sugested ... This problem goes way back from Pavon onwards.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@54 “But you British are always using the wrong words.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We're just too polite to point it out.”
LOL! Yes, my friends in the U.S. tell me this all the time. :)
@58 Again, I know a lot about South America but it doesn't make me South American. By your logic, now you know 'Maccy D' you are a chav. Doh!
Glad to see you admit you were wrong.
68 ElaineB
Feb 05th, 2014 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Glad to see you admit you're wrong”
Glad to see you baiting A_Voice/Think
68
Feb 05th, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is this women's logic...?
My logic is.....I don't use the term Maccy D......Chavs use the term...ergo...I'm not a chav
...but you use the term...therefore....;-))))
Oh and err.........Doh!
@45 & @48
Feb 05th, 2014 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, you are both incorrect. It is, of course, Macca's. You have to use an Aussie accent when pronouncing it, which might be challenging for you both, but try it and the truth will be revealed to you.
@59
There's no accounting for taste.
@60
Glad to see the real Tobi return. I was getting worried for awhile. “Dastardly tergiversator”. You have outdone yourself.
71
Feb 05th, 2014 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....thought that was Paul McCartney .....
@70 How long are you going to squirm around an apology. You said “...you have made that up....Maccy D's....never heard that before….” I proved you wrong. It is a well-known nick-name for McDonalds, not made up by me.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Man up and admit you were wrong.
73
Feb 05th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was wrong...you never made it up....
...but I was right I had never heard of it....as it's a Chav term....
...but you use it.....Chav alert....;-)))
...soooo..... how close is this to you or is it you?
therhonddarover.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/chav.jpg
@70
Feb 05th, 2014 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Chavs use the term”
Says 'Riteous Mango', the well renowned lexicographer, who has submitted 7 definitions to the Urban Dictionary.
I do like your impeccable sources, and indeed, your more convoluted conclusions : )
@62
“Which they get to use at HALF the price the rest of us pay. ”
Rest of us?
Remember you are a “EUian” now. Concentrate.
@72
Feb 05th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Close, but no ceeegar.
78
Feb 05th, 2014 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....clicked on the first one I saw....having never heard of it....
...and now having heard of it....I would still never use it...it does have that Chav ring to it.....
70
Feb 05th, 2014 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“My logic is.....I don't use the term Maccy D”
ergo
Not All Chavs use the term.
Oo... er, Smiffy.
78
Feb 05th, 2014 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are there any women you don't suck up to...?
You are one creepy person.....
79
Feb 05th, 2014 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose it's better than being a fixated misogynistic stalker who preys upon them, ThinkVoice.
@80 Yup, misogynist to his core. It oozes out of him. Still, credit to him for admitting he was wrong.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 080
Feb 05th, 2014 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I treat every name caller the same...male or female.....you go sniffing and sucking up to them at every possible opportunity....
Creepy is what you are....“shudder”....
Elaine,
Feb 05th, 2014 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How does that Bolivarian SA expression go, “We are all Chavs” ???
:-)
BCRA ordered banks to sell all but 30% of their U$ holdings.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rut ro
Do i smell another forced pesification in the works?
Yes I believe I do
“Gov't threatens to strip subsidies from dollar buyers”
Feb 05th, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How DARE people change their meagre savings into dollars. The wicked witch has their names on a list!
...Nah!...ding dong “the” witch is already dead....
Feb 05th, 2014 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 082 VoiceOverof Think
Feb 05th, 2014 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“80
I treat every name caller the same...male or female.....you go sniffing and sucking up to them at every possible opportunity....
Creepy is what you are....“shudder”.... ”
calm down a bit.
:-)
89
Feb 05th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...but you're worth it....
‘Saving money leads to greed’ said Capitanich last week.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This week it is revealed he has 2.5 million pesos in savings.
What a greedy guts he is.
89. He better get those peso into U$ pretty soon they'll be worth a kilo of peaches.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 088 voiceThink
Feb 05th, 2014 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“89”?? ;-)
Oh, dear, did you want all the attention, then?
Forget it, she's moved on...
BTW, you're going about it the wrong way to get people to like you.
“Just sayin' ”
In the English Midlands, I heard a lad in Micky / Maccy Ds ask for “Tommy K”. I thought maybe Tommy worked there.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was a quantum leap...and I sucking up to Elaine....;-)
Feb 05th, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do you guys make of the idea of the CFK and her gang replaced by a technocratic government up to 2015 to control the crisis like happened in Italy after Berlusconi was ditched in 2011???
Feb 05th, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 094. If the members of the technocratic gov't were not Argentinian and it had unlimited power to do what is necessary to fix everything I am sure it would work.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need a revolution not simply a change of faces in the gov't.
You might as well get used to a generation or 2 of abject poverty.
The idea would be to mitigate the upcoming crisis and not make it worse than it already is. I think Argentina needs a change in mindset and culture rather than a revolution… However the great advantage of a technocratic government made entirely by economists and specialists is that they will be able to do the cuts, privatizations, and loosening and liberalization of the economy and painful decisions that don’t come attached with a political cost to pay which prevents actual Argentine politicians from doing...
Feb 05th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 096. Nice idea I don't see how that would come about. My guess is you will have an a repeat of 2001 without the ability of any org to bail you out for awhile.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks to me like the Ks are deliberately crashing the system. So it shouldn't be too much longer now.
@95 “If the members of the technocratic gov't were not Argentinian and it had unlimited power to do what is necessary to fix everything I am sure it would work.”
Feb 05th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that happened there would be a revolution alright... the technocrats would be running for their lives.
Magnus, I feel sorry for you, clearly you are brainwashed and a brain dead Peronista.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no hope for your county when people like you are still around to muck it up.
Argentina has been getting poorer and dumber for the last 3 generations and you are a darn good example of why it has clearly failed.
@99 I'm not a Peronista, but I'm a realist. The Peronists rule, they are the mayority, they will always be there. And guess who can and are willing to make a revolution? The Peronistas. Who only make revolutions when they aren't getting paid by the government.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I stick by my statement that you are typical of the people that are ruining Argentina.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lazy, Stupid and Weak
Let others ruin your country, get very rich doing it and you sit back and do nothing.
It is shameful.
It is the reason your country has failed its population.
@101 there´s not much a regular citizen can do when people don´t want to revolt and the powerful control everything. Just vote and complain. And I would never be a politician, I´m not a gangster.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again, the apathy of the Rgs is disgusting.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look to The Ukraine, they are under threat of invasion from Russia and in the middle of winter are non-stop protesting.
In the end the population will win.
103
Feb 06th, 2014 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right apathy is a fundamental problem in Argentina. Casting a vote each 4 years is about as good as nothing. The last time the Argentines revolted was in 2008. Its only in the interior of the country and in productive sectors that there is any sense of responsability and hope remaining
The farmers could easily collapse the gov't if they wanted to.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and they may
@ 100 MagnusMaster
Feb 06th, 2014 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Peronists rule, they are the may(sic)ority, they will always be there”
Not according to the polling records (I realise I am quoting “government” data here so it could be anything) BUT at most there are only 15M Peronistas out of 40M population.
The problem is getting the Peronistas to give up being a Peronista and you have accused me of genocide when I said they should be executed.
Now think it through, these clowns are wannabe thugs at best and have shown extreme cowardice so once 1,000 are killed in each province how many do you think of the 15M would be left? I think you would not be able to find anybody willing to admit being a Peronista.
Surely, to safeguard the future of Argentina for the 25M reasonable people it HAS to be worth getting rid of a few thousand of the scum that are Peronistas?
@106 Not all of the population are eligible to vote.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the last election of those eligible to vote around 70% turned out (even though it is compulsory) and just under 12m voted for CFK which equalled about 54% of the turnout. (Not 54% of the population or those eligible to vote, but of the voters that turned out).
I think you asked any Argentine to clarify the political ideology of Peronism they would all give a different answer. It is more of a movement than a political party.
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Feb 06th, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the farmers pushed that far they will quickly loose the support of the urban areas and cities. Argentines have being brainwashed that demanding a incompetent government to leave office is “golpista” oor “gorilla”. And many people are jealous of the farmers who think that the majority of them are fat bastards who live stashed with money and wonder around in 4X4 while they employee people in black and evade taxes
108. The farmers don't need the support of the urban poor. They'll be in the city rioting for food. Let them riot. It won't be long until the gov't has to be replaced.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus it will keep the gov't busy quelling the riots rather than attacking the farmers.
I'd rather burn my crops if a gov't ever tried to confiscate them.
It’s the middle class that is crucial for the farmers. The middle class is more or less the gap between the 2009 and 2011 election. The 30% urban poor throwbacks are always going to support peronist. You may have a point that the farmers are not as brave enough as they should be.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0110. The middle class is crucial to everyone but I think if they see the end game there will be enough support until the gov't is gone.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 107 ElaineB
Feb 06th, 2014 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, thank you for reminding me that children and others cannot vote, and if you remember I was the first to point out the exact figure of those who voted for TMBOA, albeit it using the government figures as reported with all that entails (shades of INDEC?).
However, using standard statistical techniques, I am confident in the split ratio, unless someone can prove otherwise AND I do mean prove.
As you say Peronism is not political partisanship and extends way beyond that: that is why it is vital to terrorise them all to renounce these debilitating concepts that have and will continue to ruin Argentina forever unless radical action is taken.
Unless you can suggest an alternative?
111) The farmers made a PR error of not being consistent that they were the real providers of the recovery after the 2001 crisis... The massive media apparatus of the gov't has being lying and lying so that many people eventually believed it was the Kirchner administration that saved the country and put it back on tracks since 2003 and not the country side and the external factors like China and the low interest rates of the US dollar. Plus the extra significant support they gained after Nestor's death. K supporters even here in this site believe Argentina is an industrial country now even when it is obvious they are desperate for the next harvest liquidation
Feb 06th, 2014 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The farmers unions should have formed a party back in mid 08, they tried to make a lobby and they utterly failed because the opposition failed them.
PS. The middle class is not only the 2009-2011 gap between the 30% and the 54%...But that 24-25% swinging is crucial.
113. Yeah they backed down too quickly but they actually have much more leverage now than they did in 2008.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BCRA must be absolutely scrambling and might have put themselves in quite a bind by making the Banks turn over (sell) their U$ down to the bare minimum.
This is leading to another forced pesification
I think they've made too many missteps to fix this mess.
I can't wait to see what happens this winter when they have to buy fuel and there're no exports.
Cars are done, I bet you'll have factory lay offs soon.
As usual; Yankeeboy is correct.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0you'all should listen!
@ 114 yankeeboy
Feb 09th, 2014 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Right again! Check the link and scroll down to the market stall selling washing powder, etc.!
http://hd.clarin.com/tagged/Sociedad/page/3
OMO for AR $1,300, Rinso 3kg for AR $3,500, Pepsodent toothpaste 3x2 for AR $1,500!
Couldn’t see any sugar.
And the trolls would have us believe everything is OK. Ha, ha, ha.
I am surprised that she hasn’t got an armed guard for that lot; she probably has more dollar value than the central bank.
HA, HA, HA.
Turnip at (116) Mr. ChrisR
Feb 09th, 2014 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the link with those nice pictures...
But.... What is its relevance in respect to Argentina?
As far as I can se that market is in CHILE and the prices are in CHILEAN pesos...
What a Turnip!
@ 117 Think
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, dear, you are right for the first time ever in my experience!
How embarrassing, I was admiring the Museo paintings and thinking the argies can do something good then and then you shatter TWO thoughts in one blow.
“Double Turnip” may turn out to be a challenge contest!
@117 Think,
Feb 10th, 2014 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0There mate, thats how its done.
ChrisR made a mistake & admitted it.
You could learn from this, Think, old chap.
@23 about as much as the Falklands have to do with Argentina. That's a thought: perhaps Argentina should ask the FIG to run their economy. Couldn't be any worse than what they already have.
Feb 10th, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chris if you watn to check prices go to discovirtual.com.ar
Feb 10th, 2014 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SKIP DETERGENTE LIQUIDO INTENSE BOTELLA 1LT.
$96.79 x Lt
I think this used to be $10 when I lived there
The avg Rg has to work a day to buy a bottle of detergent.
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