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Spain nervous with Catalonia says it will not interfere with Scotland's referendum
Spain has no intention of interfering in Scotland’s push for independence and is willing to consider an eventual Scottish application to join the EU as a separate state, foreign minister García Margallo said in an interview with the Financial Times. Read full article
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Feb 05th, 2014 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scotland will remain in the Union this year and that will have a impact on its Celtic Iberian cousins... The Catalan politician’s strategy should be taking distance from the Scottish “Yes” campaign because it’s going to be a disaster.
Feb 05th, 2014 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 02
Feb 06th, 2014 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's not a forgone conclusion ..the latest polls are 45% Yes 30% No 25% undecided.
The 25% could go either way....
Although a look at the Bookies odds tells a different story...
A unilateral declaration does independence is a difficult route to independence, however not impossible.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's a pity Spain feels the need to act more like China, Russia or Serbia than more enlightened countries.
Opps ..correction @3 ....45% No 30% Yes
Feb 06th, 2014 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stop the press, Madrid will consider letting Scotland join the EU. Hardly news really.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The story that Madrid seems to think Germany would let an independent Catalunya crash and burn, or that the UK would not be chomping a the bit to invest in and trade with this new separate state is amusingly wishful thinking though.
All Madrid has is thuggish bluster.
The UK will not interfere in Catalans valiant struggle to free itself from Spanish oppression. However if UDI was declared am sure UK would recognise newly formed state and promote its membership of International bodies.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0What the jesus H fcuk can Spain do to interfere with the Scottish referendum anyway?
Feb 06th, 2014 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0the cases of Scotland and Catalonia were “fundamentally different”.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Along with Melilla and Ceuta, Breath taking Hypocrisy!
@8 Escoses Doido,
Feb 06th, 2014 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0You took the words right out of my mouth.
lts none of Spain's business what Scotland decides.
lts also none of my business what Scotland or Catalonia decide.
As its none of Argentina's business what the Falklands decide.
QED.
Well, I'd imagine the results (my guess is a small majority NO for Scotland, however I'm a bit dubious about whether it'll be quorate or not anyway) would be different.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0As would the treatment of the newly independent Catalonia, probably followed in short order by the newly independent Basque Republic...
Don’t you just love the picture?
Feb 06th, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gollum2 doing what Gollum taught him with his hands. Pity he is saying “my arsehole is this big after Rajoy stuffed a telephone pole up it because I made a prat of everybody with my bragging we would exclude Scotland”.
Spanish idiots, the only ones with brains have already left the dump. Some, like one of my Spanish friends, has made a real success of his life, he and his wife own one of the largest heavy-side barracas on the east coast. He is actually a Catalan and is really pissed off with Rajoy and Gollum2 but is a realist: he tells me that unless you live there you have no right to anything.
What a pity “free energy” Stevie hasn’t learnt that yet.
“Madrid would continue to resist a Catalan plan to hold its own referendum on independence less than two months after the Scottish vote in September, he told the FT.”
Feb 06th, 2014 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll bet they resist-if they thought the Catalans would lose the referendum they'd allow it.
Spain's Imperialist traits continue as they continue to detest self determination.
But denying the Catalans a vote will only increase a demand for one in the future.
“Don’t you just love the picture?
Gollum2 doing what Gollum taught him with his hands.”
Bet his secretaries love him..........
Will an independent Catalonia recognise the right of self-determination for Gibraltar and the Falklands, or will they also be hypocrites?
Feb 06th, 2014 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 One of the main separatist parties already has, at least for Gibraltar (I don't think that anyone asked them about the Falkland Islands)
Feb 06th, 2014 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/08/13/uk-gibraltar-spain-catalonia-idUKBRE97C0KX20130813
“A state born through a unilateral declaration of independence would have no international recognition whatsoever. It would be absolutely isolated in the concert of nations. Such a state would not have access to the United Nations system or to the World Bank or the IMF,” he said in the interview.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Worked out ok for the U.S.
@3,5 Strange that. Latest poll I found is 61% No, 30% Yes.
Feb 06th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Can I suggest that the UK's “view” of an independent Scotland much closer to the time. My personal view is that Salmond is doing an amazing job at persuading most of England to hate him. There also appears to be number of, I assume, Scots that are taking a similar line with assertions about what they will take with them. A few REAL considerations. Look at what happened when the Soviet Union was disassembled. There was only one “successor state”. The one with the greatest population and territory. Russia. The one about Scotland taking x, y and z? Perhaps it might had it been a colony. But it wasn't. I suggest that the remaining UK is under no obligation to give Scotland anything! Then there's the open border etc. What piffle. Independent Scotland would be a non-EU state. There can be no doubt about that. Margallo HAS said that Scotland would have to join the queue. There MUST be a proper border between the EU and the outside. And Scotland WILL be outside. That probably takes care of passports, visas and entry requirements. Any Scot that thinks it will be “business as usual” is going to get a rude shock. The Common Travel Area (CTA) will have to be changed. The opportunity may be taken to exclude the Republic of Ireland. With EU membership, there's little reason for it. Common use of the pound sterling is another matter. Scotland could use it informally. But Salmond is talking about a currency union where the Bank of England remains the lender of last resort. That's not going to happen. There are countries around the world that use the U.S. dollar, but the U.S. Treasury has no responsibility. To be honest, I'm not sure that Salmond really wants independence. I believe he's angling for his so-called “Devo-Max”.
@12 Back as far as February 2012, I can't find any trace of Margallo saying that Spain would “exclude” Scotland. Just that Scotland would start at the end of the queue.
Can A-Voice tell us all what currency an independent Scotland will be spending? After he has told us all “it's in our interests” to enter a sterling zone, can he say what the English people think about that?
Feb 06th, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sept, will decide,
Feb 06th, 2014 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0until them , we will wait,
but Spain has a problem, it needs to solve before it breaks up,
just a thought.
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Feb 07th, 2014 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I won't be able to tell you, but perhaps this guy can...
“The Bank of England governor has said an independent Scotland would need to give up some power to make a currency union with the rest of the UK work.
Mark Carney said such a move, proposed by the Scottish government, ”requires some ceding of national sovereignty”.
...so that would be the Pound...Sterling...
...no mention at all about what English people think...they probably don't get a choice in the matter...
@ 20 Lunatic’s little puppet
Feb 07th, 2014 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mark Carney has said a lot of things since he “arrived” but can you point to anything that he has said other than “things will stay the same” that has actually come to fruition?
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Feb 07th, 2014 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you talking to me or chewing a brick....
It's immaterial...if the Governor of the Bank of England states they will be able to use Sterling, with some conditions, who else would know better..
Whose opinion is more valid...yours or his...?
detail are yet to be done,
Feb 07th, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the referendum is in sept,
mmmmmmm
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Feb 07th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Briton...that is the problem, there are no details from either side and what has been given is all hypothetical....
How is one able to make an informed decision on an issue as important as this, without info....
@ 22 A_Voice
Feb 07th, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Posting to you, but it’s like chewing a brick: you can’t get any sense out of it.
The Canadian cannot decide on Scotland using Sterling, his boss will tell him the crack.
Frankly I don’t think the Scots are that stupid that they will leave the Union: it would be like turkeys voting for Christmas.
Is Lunatic still in Russia? Ha, ha, ha.
@24,
Feb 07th, 2014 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all I can say is,
wait and see,,
I don't think they will go anywhere,
but with so many predictions going around,
I wish someone would predict the lottery numbers..
no one can tell what will happen,
until after the result,
and even then, I believe, it will take up to 2 years to unwind it all,
so the TV says.
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