MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Malvinas recovery needs of a State policy argues Argentine opposition leader
The superficialities and inconsistencies of the last Justicialista governments (Presidents Carlos Menem, Nestor Kirchner and Cristina Fernandez) have facilitated the consolidation of British presence in the South Atlantic and this will continue unless the Argentine political system agrees on a state policy regarding the recovery of the Malvinas Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesDoes that make more sense in Spanish.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like my friends child trying to use big words without fully understanding what they are saying.
Still dont mean anything, as he has not grasped the main point that the islands have nothing to do with Argentina
In other words, he is saying that because of the aggressive attitude to the Falklanders by the current administration, the Islanders resolve has been strengthened, and there progress has surpassed Argentinas.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure i've heard this before, but not from an Argentine.
But surely Alfonsin must be aware that the Argeentine claim is all fairy stories, myths and false interpretation of historical events. He also ought to be aware of the 1850 Arana Southern Treaty wherein, Article 7, Argentina tacitly relinquishes any claim it might have to the Falklands/Malvinas archipelago.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only route to resolution of Argentina's “problem” is via the International Court of Justice.
The falklands Goverment, has boosted the economic development of the Islanders who have prospered and increased in number.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe if they could that in argentina rather than lurch from chaos to crisis might have a chance of a better relantionship.
It was never yours in the first place jog on pedro
The whole spirit of his letter is completely wrong.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0He's really saying that the Falklands really are theirs but past Argentine governments have gone about “recovering” these lslands, the wrong way!
The cheek of the man.
He has to get it through his head that the Falklands do NOT, & NEVER have belonged to Argentina.
And you cannot “recover” something that was NEVER yours in the first place.
NOT YOURS, mate, move on please.
(Do you like the capitals, A_Voice? lol)
So whilst Argentina is facing in biggest economic crisis in living memory their politicians try to deflect all of that by bigging up the Falklands issue. How on earth can they think that our small islands are the answer to their problems? What do they figure they'd do with the Falklands if they ever got their hands on them?
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and if you're going to recall all of di Tella's gifts don't forget that really crappy book that everyone got a copy of in the post. You should've seen the rubbish bins in and around the post office that day.
The real problem is that the deep scar caused by the humiliation of the Falklands conflict has lead to even otherwise level headed individuals to become irrational over the subject. The only way to heal that wound is for Argentina to gain sovereignty over the islands so that the conflict becomes demoted to a battle lost in a war that was finally won.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no solution and the Argentine people will continue to further humiliate themselves over the matter.
It doesn't matter what Argentina does; it will never annex the Falkland Islands.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's 2014. The age of empires is over and Argentina didn't get the memo.
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Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes....but you forgot OURS....;-)
The only way territory changes hands is through the courts, war or independence. My understanding of the law is that Argentina would have to prove that they held a prolonged administration on the islands at some point in their history to the satisfaction of a court, that never ever happened.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only other alternative is war and that didn't go too well for them last time. In the last 30 years, Argentina has downgraded its military to virtually nothing, whilst we now have the fourth largest defence budget on the planet and some pretty fearsome kit.
Its just an all round lose for Argentina, they really should accept and move on for the sake of their sanity.
Another bunch of superficial nonsense, designed to whip up exactly that domestic support he accuses CFK of doing.....which incidentally he does.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you want a rational policy on the Falklands a) address the historical realities, including the Convention of Settlement in 1850; b) address the issue of self-determination in a positive manner, rather than trying to deny it; and c) be nice to the Falkland Islanders.
Because that is the only way future generations will be convinced to have any kind of association or relationship with what is currently an unattractive, broke ,totalitarian mess.
Well, at least the “Malvinas” has united the opposition and the Bratt Street Gang in Casa Rosada.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0But that is the level they are at for their “government”: a bunch of snotty nosed kids thinking that the more they bully the islanders, the more chance they have of getting the “Malvinas” “back”.
It will come to another “war” in the years ahead to smack them back to the stone age which is where they belong. I do hope that next time BsAs infrastructure is severely damaged by cruise missiles, together with the centres of power for all the other regions: that will keep them busy for a few years.
Such a shame for the normal people of Argentina, who given the vast increase in applications for residency in Uruguay, are reducing in number by the day.
Soon the only people left will be Peronista scum.
They can't even get ketchup for their chicken nuggets, what hope do they have of colonising the Falklands. They seem to live in some alternative reality, you almost do feel sorry for them......almost!
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here we go again !!!!!!
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paper tiger.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder why this subject makes to the news. Does this sell newspapers?
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0'qualified diplomatic staff in the ministry of foreign affairs'.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0isn't that a contradiction in terms in Argentina!!!
Are there no opposition politicians in Argentina opposing the whole “Malvinas cause”, saying “let them have their self-determination”? There must be hundreds of more important issues to deal with, than this nonsens?
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@18 - I agree with you 100%. It's a crazy senseless Argentinian cause. They have far more pressing issues than to try to steal a land from a productive peaceful nation of 3000. Unfortunately the corrupt government see is as a great tool to deflect their theft and poor economic management. I truly wish the Falkland Islanders can be free from the threat of Argentina. It's testament to the stoic nature and gritty determination of the islanders in that they have thrived against constant aggression. The UK will stand with you Falklanders.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0One has never seen a more stupid uneducated brainwashed government actively doing a world comedy act,
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0And relishes at the world laughing at it,
What will it take to make these stupid arrogant backward empire wannabies to understand Basic English?
The Falklands are British,
the Falklands wants to remain so,
So Soddy offy and grow up,
Stupid cry babies..
”has boosted the economic development of the Islanders who have prospered and increased in number....in a presumptuous, insolent and arrogant manner
Feb 07th, 2014 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL. Says it all really!
6 Joe Bloggs
Feb 07th, 2014 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Joe!!! How dare you:-
“Pillage fisheries resources in the region, advance in exploration for hydrocarbons in Argentina's continental shelf, consolidated your military presence, boost the economic development of the Islanders who have prospered and increased in number”
Did you do all this by yourself?
You must have been a busy lad over the last 10 years huh??
If ever there was an advert for the resiliance of the human spirit then you guys “down south” are it. I can only say “What ever you are doing, keep doing it”. If you can do all of the above in spite of all that argentina throws at you then Good job!!!
P.S:- I do know that with all the new “kit” the Navy and Air force is getting, they want a chance to test that it all works. So if you ever need any help, just give them a call, ok?
All
Feb 07th, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What we have here is another argie nutjob. But note, there was a “seduction” policy. Not a policy of “friendship and respect”.
“In the last ten years the British government has continued to pillage fisheries resources in the region, has advanced in the exploration for hydrocarbons in Argentina's continental shelf, has consolidated its military presence, has boosted the economic development of the Islanders who have prospered and increased in number, and have even pushed forward with a wrongly defined referendum. That is to say that in the last ten years London has exercised and exhibited in a presumptuous, insolent and arrogant manner all its colonial capacity”, wrote Alfonsin.
What a dipshit! There's been no “pillaging”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillaging
All islands have their own “continental shelf”. See UNCLOS. A “referendum” is a form of direct democracy. Why does argieland have a problem with this? Logic dictates that, if an electorate doesn't like a question, it doesn't vote. A “wrongly-defined” referendum? Why? Because argieland didn't set the question? Because it didn't have its troops on hand to see that people voted “correctly”? And that “presumptuous, insolent and arrogant manner”? It's called sovereignty.
Then there's the UN resolutions. None of which are relevant. So they aren't “milestones”. Just more evidence of impotence.
Alfonsin Jr has a little problem. He doesn't have a fluid and amicable dialogue with the Falkland Islands and the UK. Roadblock!
Meanwhile, the British Army garrison is in place. The Royal Air Force is “on watch”. The Royal Navy is here, there and everywhere. And the flags fly. The Union flag. The Falklands flag. The White ensign. The Blue ensign. The RAF ensign. The British Army ensign.
Not recovery but invasion and subjugation of an independent community who wants nothing more than to be left alone by Argentina. What part of NO does Argentina not understand?
Feb 07th, 2014 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This gentleman says “ 'they have been incapable to reverse or stop the consolidation and deepening of the colonial power presence over almost three million square kilometers of national territory”.” Actually, by my estimation, the Falkland Islands land territory is around 12,000km2, and the Falklands EEZ is around 1/2 million square km, around 1/6 of what he is suggesting. Is he suggesting that the British military now also has power on the Argentine territory, or is he blowing it all up to impress readers? If not, he better gets a calculator out. Or does he also include the islands of South Georgia, Sandwich etc. etc. etc., which have also never been Argentine? Either way, its a loose loose situation for .ar
Feb 07th, 2014 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone see the announcement of the Taranis unmanned drone?
Feb 07th, 2014 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It could bomb the poo out of Argentina and if shot down who cares. Another simply takes its place.
Meanwhile Argies are hoping to buy second hand bangers from Spain.
@ 26 Yes our Cylon brothers will soon be patrolling the sky's just waiting for the order to rain down Democracy, or they will turn against us & wipe out the human race.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 no there aren´t. Opposing the Malvinas cause would be political suicide. When it comes to Malvinas, no Argentinian is allowed to have any thought outside what the hive mind thinks. It´s not explicit, mind you. You just learn for yourself it´s not allowed.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 022 too old
Feb 07th, 2014 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Pillaged” the fishery. Is the fool not aware that the Falklands fishery has regularly been described by respected scientists as one of the best managed fisheries in the world ? If you want to see pillaging cross the border to the west.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“That is to say that in the last ten years London has exercised and exhibited in a presumptuous, insolent and arrogant manner all its colonial capacity”
Feb 07th, 2014 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was this a type, should “London” read “Argentina”
”to achieve the objective of reintegrating the Malvinas to the national territory”
It's spelt intergrating. I've never been to Russia so I can't go Back there, the Falklands have never been part of Argentina so they can't be Reintergrated
TWIMC
Feb 07th, 2014 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Alfonsin Jr. says...:
”That is to say that in the last ten years London has exercised and exhibited in a presumptuous, insolent and arrogant manner all its colonial capacity”
I say...:
Haughty English Pirates...
Mr. Alfonsin Jr. says...:
”to achieve the objective of reintegrating the Malvinas to the national territory”
I say...:
”to achieve the objective of reintegrating the Malvinas to the national territory”
...................Well, seems to be that most Argies agree about a wide-ranging State policy to address the Malvinas issue...
His tears of impotent rage tastes sweet.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even a blind person can sense that all new and old politicians, to gain popularity, grab themselves from the old and irreversible topic of the Malvina's issue.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The kiss and for ever goodbye from Argentinians to the Malvina land was more than two decades ago. Argentina should stop for good spending money and valuable time instead of focuses of injecting better and optimistic attitude towards young generations so new and fresh innovations can be bloomed and offered to the world.
Please, read the history of the Falkland Islands and you will find out that such Island was discovered by an American citizen, and does America claims that land? Of course not, so Argentina falls in that same path.
Kirk Nelson,
New York, NY USA
(34) Kirk Nelson
Feb 07th, 2014 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Please, read the history of the Falkland Islands and you will find out that such Island was discovered by an American citizen.....”
I say...:
Very interesting........
Would that be the same American citizen that discovered......................... America?
I find myself wondering if the Argie related news stories are real or copied from http://www.theonion.com/.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This obsession with the Falklands really took me by surpise when I first started following events via MercoPress ( a few months ago). I thought the war had long ago settled that issue. Really, has this insanity been going on ever since?
Or... maybe I should start thinking about Bermuda. About as close to North Carolina as the Falklands to Argintina... Hummm... I love visiting Bermuda...
Mother Nature rocks the islands away....
Feb 07th, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0slum place
300 yrs.=3,000 retards
No money to buy a CT-Scanner
uuuuuuuuuuuujajaja
(36) Rick from Maryland
Feb 07th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your compatriot at (34), Mr. Kirk Nelson is not very good at History....
You are not very good at geography, are you?....
Bermuda is ~700 miles from Tar Heel...
I sometimes wonder how the USA became such a powerfull Country?
I stand corrected by geographically literate friend!
Feb 07th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, so distance doesn't matter - at least some distance I suppose.
How about Cuba? 90 miles off Florida! They have nice beaches too! And heck, plenty of US citizens lived and owned property there long before Castro confiscated their property and sent them packing.
And if given a free choice I'd bet the people would agree! And Cuba is certainly closer to us then the Falklands are to you.
We'll take Cuba then! Thanks!
26 brasherboot
Feb 07th, 2014 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argies are hoping to buy second hand bangers from Spain,
Yep- more sausages .lol
27 Zool
26 Yes our Cylon brothers will soon be patrolling the sky's
Yep-
Cybernet , and john Connors..lol
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In the last ten years London has exercised and exhibited in a presumptuous, insolent and arrogant manner
In fact, great Britain has been the icon of democracy, acting in a most gentlemanly way,
Ignoring all the assaults and abuse by the cylon CFK camp…lol
[English Pirates indeed lol.]
[w] [I] [ S ] [ E ]
Welsh, Irish Scottish, English
One would suggest very W I S E Pirates…
lolol
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30 GALlamosa
Feb 07th, 2014 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was just about to ask the same question!!!
I fail to see how the “Best managed fisheries policy in the world” could be described as “Pillaged”
In fact, if I remember correctly, it is argentina who is guilty of emptying the South Atlantic of fish and then blaming ( they are good at that at least arn't they? ) everyone else for the lack of fish stocks.
For amusement value, this guy is worth his weight in gold!!!
(39) Estimated hermano Americano, Mr. Rick from Maryland....
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CUBA you say...???
Well...... Why don't you look at USA's “History” regarding Cuba since the Spanish–American War in 1898 til today....
And then come back with some more criticism about Argentina's “History” regarding the Malvinas Islands....
If you have the Chutzpah to do it......, that is.....
Yours
El Think
Chubut, Patagonia, Argentina
@42
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina does not have a valid claim to the Falklands, just rhetoric, propaganda and lies. The Islanders will always have the final say.
“That is to say that in the last ten years London has exercised and exhibited in a presumptuous, insolent and arrogant manner all its colonial capacity”, wrote Alfonsin”....Instead of London, I 'Think“ he meant Buenos Aires.....Although in opposition to CFK, he cultivates the same misled, arrogant approach to the Falklands, as fat-lips does...must be the favourite pastime of Argie politicians, because after all, there's absolutely nothing that needs doing in Argentina, everything works beautifully and everyone is sooo satisfied with the current state of affairs.. Why don't they worry about their own country ?
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And as to ”El Think's“ #38, ”“I sometimes wonder how the USA became such a powerfull Country?”.......I thought that was obvious....Well, since he's so thick, guess I'll have to spell it out for him... : Because it wasn't colonized by assholes like you.....Satisfied, CFK asslicker ??
Good news chaps, apparently the FALKLANDERS have found footprints in a bog near Port Stanley.( apparently they are 800,000 years old ) An impression taken off the sole shows that the shoes that they were wearing had a logo Barretts made in England. So that's skotched the Argie rumours that they were there in 1832.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No need for expensive stealth bombers
The software bombs already exist to bring down electrical generation,distribution.
communications,traffic control,railways, water distribution, banks,tax collection,and all other Government services and anything else reliant on computers so much more effective
,this is not 1982 !
So, more of the same then from the next Arg administration.
Feb 07th, 2014 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even though, they'll get as far with this issue as the current one.
Who will they blame for getting nowhere?
Everybody but themselves .
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
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Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 026 brasherboot
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Meanwhile Argies are hoping to buy second hand bangers from Spain.”
And that, my friend, is ALL that argentina can do at the moment. By this time next week they will be counting themselves lucky if they can afford the paper to make aeroplanes, let alone anything else.
By The Way, did you hear the news? The BRITISH economy is set to grow by 2.5% this year.........
Job vacancies are being created at a faster rate than at any time since 2008..............
Still, if you listen to the trolls, argentina is the place to be!!!
@6
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do they figure they'd do with the Falklands if they ever got their hands on them?
That's easy Joe-the Argentines would would screw the Islands up, and no one but the Argentine military would want to move to the Islands-it's too cold for them.
The fact is that Argentines want easy lives and siestas. Whilst I found the Islands pleasant, (my family and now I farmed in Staffordshire where the weather and life isn't always pleasant), the Argentines would not last especially if they migrated from the North.
There is not enough in the Islands for the Argies to plunder,(other than the oil), though they would successfully ensure that the fisheries were overfished to extinction within a decade but you would have the advantage that if the Argentine Navy based some ships at Stanley the 'wreck' tourism would increase after the Argies became fed up and left the Islands (which they would).
“ London has exercised and exhibited in a presumptuous, insolent and arrogant manner all its colonial capacity”
Don't confuse Britain with Argentina you arrogant old Imperialist fart.
Alfonsin like the rest of Argentina haven't even read the so called UN resolutions on the Falkland Islands.
@49, ck177, how about ...
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A asshole
R ridiculous
G green .....with envy
I idiot
E entertaining...pathetic but entertaining..
53 Jack Bauer
Feb 07th, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's ok.....It's only Suzie. We all know her of old. She claims that she has duel citizenship. An American passport and an argentine passport.
But all I can gather from her posts and the language that she uses in them, is that she lives in a trailer park, with her husband/brother ( the same person ) and she is a frustrated pile of racist, failed humanity.
@54 But don't lie, on a bad day we'd all love to have her “pharmacist's” number in our rolodex. Everyone needs even a little vacation from reality now and then!
Feb 07th, 2014 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 022 too old
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry about that at 29; I forgot which computer I was using again.
What I wanted to say is thanks for your post. I always enjoy your posts a lot. I also liked your idea about trying out the new toys but of course I am a peace-loving sort of guy and I realise you were just joking.
I hope you're high and dry in the UK. Our friends in West Sussex are pretty fed up and they're not in one of the really badly affected areas.
Oh Mr. Alfonsin... I wonder if you are a 'born again' kirchnerista... as an opposition lawmaker, everything you have ever said and vote for as a politician, have been in a high percentage pro-KFC... so, out of respect for your father please! just shut up. “Best Regards”
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@37
Feb 07th, 2014 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many towns of 3500 inhabitants have CT Scanners?Has CUTRAL CO, PLAZA HUINCUL, ANELO or MARI MENUCO got CT Scanners? All roughly the same population numbers. You are one complete Dork.
42 Think,
Feb 08th, 2014 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't criticize Argie history. However, the US did kick ass during the Spanish American war. We kicked the Spanish out of Cuba and the Philippines. We didn't keep either. Although you would have kept the Falklands claiming “right by conquest” we didn't.
But you didn't kick them out. You tried, you lost so please. Let it go.
The people have nothing in common with your country. They don't want to be part of your country. Same as the Cuban and Phillips didn't want to be part of the US.
Get over it. It's not the land anymore. That's so 1700's. It's the people's choice.
If it's not the people's choice, then nobody should complain if the US Marines show up in Havana next week.
Be good neighbors and maybe, just maybe their opinion may change
Until then, you are an aggressor without the power to be aggressive. Whining is very unbecoming of modern nation.
As an EUian I would strongly recommend the Argentines to allow the Falklanders to leave as the desire.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would also recommend to us in the rest of the world to stop trying to force the Argentines to behave as we want them to behave, we have no right to tell them what to do.
The Falkland Islands have the hard and soft power of the UK, so it doesn't matter what Argentina does or wants. It can ignore it.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina lacking both hard and soft power will just have to continue doing what the world tells it to. It tries to ignore the world but eventually is unable to.
So sorry Toblerine, it doesn't matter what you would like or want. You won't get it.
(59) Rick from Maryland
Feb 08th, 2014 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0The US did indeed kick ass in the XIX century….
You did in Cuba, in the Philippines and in many other places including the Malvinas Islands where you destroyed the Argentinean settlement in 1832….
In 1833 your Red Coated Anglo Cousins invaded them Islands and have kept them under militarily occupation since.
Of course the current inhabitants (Civilians and military personnel) of Malvinas have nothing in common, nor want to be part of my Country…
Same goes for the American personnel living in Gitmo or any other American base around the world….
The “Little Problem” here is that the Redcoats are fallaciously applying the UN concept of “Self-Determination of Peoples” to their 2,500 strong civilian personnel in Malvinas to seize some 12,000,000 sq km of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory for the benefit of the United Kingdom, a Country placed some 11,000 miles north of here….
To finish, we are NOT “aggressors” at all…
We simply refuse to support or assist, in any way, the ongoing British pilfering of our territories and resources in the South Atlantic…
That’s why we will continue and increase all our diplomatic, political and economical efforts to stop them.
Have a nice weekend….
El Think
Chubut, Patagonia, Argentina.
60 Narine T. Nüster
Feb 08th, 2014 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really have lost touch with reality haven't you Tobi???
“As an EUian I would strongly recommend the Argentines to allow the Falklanders to leave as the desire.”
As a UKian I would strongly recommend the Argentines keep their dirty, rotten, thieving mitts off other peoples property.
“I would also recommend to us in the rest of the world to stop trying to force the Argentines to behave as we want them to behave, we have no right to tell them what to do.”
By the same token then, you admit that, if the rest of the world should stop “trying to force the Argentines to behave as we want them to behave, we have no right to tell them what to do.” then we also have no right to try to force the UK and the Falkland Islanders to behave as we want them to behave.
Does that about cover it Tobi??
Or do you want ( as always ) to have your cake and eat?
You know what? you can't!!! So you had better start learning to live with the disappointment.
@62 Think,
Feb 08th, 2014 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0You ARE the aggressors, Think.
You are trying to take our land, which you have no rights to.
l don't really care what ridiculous reasons that you say that you have.
The answer is simple, this is OUR land(i.e. NOT YOURS).
You can shout, scream, whine, jump up & down, even do the Hopi Rain Dance for all l care, BUT your claims are worthless & you will NOT get OUR land.
And as for Britain claiming 12mil km2(if that is what they are claiming)who cares? lt doesn't belong to Argentina anyway.
So what if the UK is 11,000 miles north.
Whats that got to do with anything? BsAs is over a 1000kms north of TDF(which the British settled before you shower of misfits arrived).
By your ridiculous logic TDF belongs to Britain.
Leave the doors unlocked & switch the power off when you leave, please. lol!
Anyway, Think, we will pilfer as we see fit……what do you intend to do about it?
'@60
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I would also recommend to us in the rest of the world to stop trying to force the Argentines to behave as we want them to behave, we have no right to tell them what to do.”
Ok, if Argentina want to continue to be imperialists, that's up to them, but it's not actually going to do their people any good as they will continue to chase their tails and get no where.
“ I would strongly recommend the Argentines to allow the Falklanders to leave as the desire.”
Do you mean' live' as they desire?
If Argentina did that you would find that animosity towards the Argentines would disappear-so criticism of Argentina is like many of their problems= self-inflicted.
#62
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ” We simply refuse to support or assist, in any way, the ongoing British pilfering of our territories and resources in the South Atlantic…
That’s why we will continue and increase all our diplomatic, political and economical efforts to stop them. “ ”
An old chestnut, but what exactly are your “territories”in the S.Atlantic ?
I am aware of your fallacious claim to the Falklands based on a bunch of your pirates and brigands trying to wrest control of the islands from their rightful owner...Britain. However, to what other territories do you lay claim and why ?
As you feel so strongly about it, take it to the ICJ to adjudicate. Your neighbours in Chile and Peru seemed to think this was the correct decision in their dispute. So, stop bleating and do the same...see if you have a case in International law, OR try another invasion and get REALLY stuffed this time.
@32 “Haughty English Pirates”? Last year, your state's very own “Robbing hoodie” had the opportunity to meet face-to-face with those very same “Pirates” and demolish them with a few slashes of his rapier-like intelligence. He ran away!
Feb 08th, 2014 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm really sorry to hear that you have such problems in Cordoba City that you need a “wide-ranging State policy”. Would it be presumptuous and “haughty” to suggest that you learn about economics? Perhaps if you were to address 63% inflation? Paying your US$100 billion debts? Living within your means?
I see that you have abandoned “debating” who the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands belong to. Doubtless because every FACT you brought forward could be proved to be a lie. Like the rest of your corrupt and criminal state, you are reduced to “Because”. Which translates as “Because that's what we want”. Shame, innit?
@39 Worth remembering that Europe is only 21 miles from the UK. Much of France, for example, used to be owned by England. I think we'll have Europe back. We've fought for it. We've spent more time in it than argies have in the Falklands. Yep, I think Europe is OURS. Little problem is that the revolting peasants have taken over. Could the United States help us take it back? If we use our navies to surround the place and then our air forces to start bombing etc, our armies shouldn't have much problem. We could probably have the whole place occupied in less than a year.
@62 Oh, puhleese. Did you hover over the Falklands in your time machine in 1690? How about 1765? 1770/71? Clues. British. British. British and terrified Spanish. How fortunate for you that we left it 212 years before giving you the war you deserve. Want another?
@63 It's called schizophrenia.
(64) lsolde
Feb 08th, 2014 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“You can shout, scream, whine, jump up & down, even do the Hopi Rain Dance for all l care....”
I say...:
If you don't mind, I'll use the Shoshone Round Dance...
Much more familiar with its Juju, you know...;-)
62 Think
Feb 08th, 2014 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“To finish, we are NOT “aggressors” at all…
We simply refuse to support or assist, in any way, the ongoing British pilfering of our territories and resources in the South Atlantic…”
Liar!!! You and the government of argentina don't even see 3,000 civilians as people.
Just as the Nazi's didn't see the Jews as “people” or the communists as people.
God knows what would have happened if we hadn't sent a task force to rescue them back in 1982. Right there, there was another 2oth Century genocide waiting to happen at the hands of the argentine invaders.
and as for the “Ongoing British pilfering of our territories and resources in the South Atlantic…”
If it's within the Falkland Islands territorial waters, how can it be yours?
If the Falkland's belongs to Argentina [so they say]
Feb 08th, 2014 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then how much investment have you given, what have you done,
have you repaired roads harbours' etc,
have you built houses , when was the last time did you send a argy council worker to sweep the streets,
bah, you only want them when they have money..lol
BEYOND EXPECTABLE PATHETIC SPECULATIONS.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have always had so much respect and admiration for a great man, and a honorable president like raul alfonsin, but i can't feel the same for his son. It would be very easy to say that this guy is an idiot, however he's not an idiot, actualy nobody is idiot, what he is doing, is no more than a typical pathetic speculation, in fact, it's well known that it's something characteristic in political culture.
Anybody can agree or no on the way that kirchnerism has handled the malvinas cause, however only somebody who wants to speculate can say that this case hasn't been a state policy for c. f. k's government. Measures taken by the actual government aren't much different from those taken during alfonsin's in the decade of the 80's, both governments have always made a strong deffence of our rights over the islands, despite the misserable sepoys who we have always had in this country, who usually post their comments in this website, taking the side of the empire. Fortunatelly, neather raul alfonsin nor nestor were sepoys like those cretins who love defending the british posture, making the same distorted and partial lectures of the empire, beside, in the case of c. f. k., who isn't a sepoy either, she has always done almost all that a periferic nation like argentina can do. In my opinion, i have always said that the only one way to finish with this humbled situation for argentina, is to take the case to i. c. j. In fact, our country suggested taking the case to an arbitration in 1884 and 1888, however the u. k. rejected that idea. In 1947, britain manifested that it would be disposed to discuss about the cases of the dependencies from islands, but it hadn't included the malvinas in that idea. After that year, none of the two countries has never proposed again to take the case to an arbitration. Perhaps both aren't sure of getting a positive result, if the case is analized at the court.
#74
Feb 08th, 2014 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And your solution is what ???????????
arbitration in 1884 and 1888
Feb 08th, 2014 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0do it now..
very easy to say that this guy is an idiot, however he's not an idiot, actualy nobody is idiot,
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not true Axel YOU are an Idiot.
I hear your union is asking for 100% raise 30% every 4 months.
You'll not be able to eat by June.
@71 axelarg,
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ICJ, Axel, ICJ!
Put up or shut up.
71 axel arg
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Face it axel, yours is a lost cause. Your chance of getting the Falkland Islands are somewhere between none and b*gger all.
The Islanders themselves want none of it and, because they want none of it, we in the UK also want none of it.
How long axel? how long will it take until you realize that the Islanders are the ONLY important ones here?
How long will it take?
You don't matter, we here in the UK don't matter. We will only matter when the Islanders say we do. Until then, they are part of the UK and will continue to be part of the UK so you can gash your teeth and whine as much as you like, it ain't going to change a thing.
The Truth is that without the Islanders say so NOTHING will happen........ get it?
Everything to do with them, starts and ends with them... Simple
The ONLY way I see argentina get her hands on the Falkland Islands is through Military adventurism and even then. If you tried that again, we would come back and kick your sorry A*ses back to BA
@71 Oh, axel, and still you remain pathetic. “Sepoy” is an Indian soldier. Where do you get “sepoys” from? Another attempt to display your non-existent “erudition”? Between 1864 and 1870, you “fought” a war against Paraguay. Of course, you needed Brazil and Uruguay to do most of the fighting. At the end of the war (have you noticed how it took 3 of you to defeat Paraguay), you suggested that Paraguay be split in two. Half to Brazil, half to you. The resolution didn't come until 1876 (Treaty of the Triple Alliance) and you got 1/3 of Paraguay's territory. And who did you suggest as an arbitrator in 1884? Paraguay! There was NO arbitration suggestion by argieland in 1888. Just a “diplomatic letter” of protest. See it differently? Then tell us who the proposed arbitrator was. Do you “understand” what “periferic” means? It's an international biennial of contemporary art.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See whether you can get something through your thick skull. NOTHING that happened before 1982 is relevant. Being as thick as pig-shit, you started a war. You were DEFEATED! You LOST! International law says that the territories are now British. A bit more research and you will find that SELF-DETERMINATION beats ANY historic “claim” to title. Those are the views of the ICJ.
You're THROUGH. Don't bother with ANYTHING before '82. No longer relevant. The world moves on. Leaving you behind. So don't waste our time anymore. Others may do as they choose. For you, MY timeframe is 1982 to 2014. That's it!
CLYDE 15: Read my comment again, and you'll realize that my solution is to take the case to an arbitration.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CONQUEROR: Although it's obvious that you will always invalid the rights of argentina, making the typicall partial lectures which benefit your empire in decadence, but the day that you decide to be serious, you'll realize that the case is too compliocated, that's why it has strong and weak aspects for both nations.
We call sepoys in this country, to those people who take the side of the adversaries, in detriment of the interets of the nation, like it or not, we have always had a lot of those cretins, in fact, you can see some of them here evereyday, who love defending your empire, with the same partial lectures.
On the other hand, we call periferic nations to third world countries, or to development contries, like argentina.
Respecting the alliance tripple war, i have always felt ashamed for it, and i have always thought that our country should apologize paraguay for it, however, that unforgiven war doens't invalid our claim for the islands. Beside, accept ir or not, in two opportunities between the representants of both countries, in 1884 and 1888, argentina suggested taking the case to an arbitration, it wasn't just a protest, anyway, it's expectable that you continue to make your usuall distorted lectures, in order to benefit the psoture of your empire. You aren't stupid, and you know perfectly that if the u. k. didn't have any right to veto at the u. n., it wouldn't be able to do what it has always done with this case.
#78
Feb 09th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I understood what arbitration is BUT how do you propose to get your government to agree with what you advocate ?
Arbitration is available through the ICJ. As the”aggrieved party it is up to Argentina to present it's case. Britain need do nothing !
78 axel arg [[ in order to benefit the psoture of your empire ]]
Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0axel, we don't have an empire any more,
how do you expect us to take one seriously when one still thinks we have an empire..
@78
Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to think this is a 50/50 case.
You have constantly failed to prove that Argentina has anything but a minimal claim on the Falklands.
“your usual distorted lectures”
Not everyone posts links on here including myself-but others have which you have not been able to counter effectively.
“ that unforgiven war doens't invalid our claim for the islands.”
On the contrary-it broke res 2065 and under the Argentines own concepts a country that fights another (i.e. Spain) and wins its territory keeps it, uti possedis I think, I'm sure you can work that out.
“who love defending your empire”
Sorry to disappoint you, but Britain's empire disappeared along time ago.,
“ in 1884 and 1888, argentina suggested taking the case to an arbitration”
And did not make another formal protest for over 50 years -another reason the Argentine claim is invalid.
The treaty of Arana in 1850 declared there were no outstanding differences between Argentina and Great Britain except for some money owed to British people. A territorial claim is obviously a whopping great difference. And that is a signed document.
“ that if the u. k. didn't have any right to veto at the u. n”
But the ICJ is not hamstrung by the UN Security Council-and the UK has signed up that it will respect judgements by the ICJ-strangely enough Argentina hasn't signed up-why?
And Argentine had NO
Feb 09th, 2014 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rights what so ever to invade a peaceful defenceless law abiding tiny weenie little islands,
The lead directly to the deaths of hundreds of innocents,
Planting deadly mines that have killed and maimed the innocents,
For a supposed civilised nation, this was a disgraceful act,
This alone denied you any bloody rights to occupy these islands,
You break all the rules and agreements, and then whine like children to the unmighty UN,
You should be ashamed,
CFK and her government should say sorry and compensate every islander for the hurt they have imposed,
And say sorry to the families of all the dead, and compensate them, anything else is disgraceful,
Yet lot, even today, CFK,S government still threaten, abuse , demands , blockades , intimidates the islanders,
And for the rest of the world to just turn a blind eye is a disgrace to democracy,
One day we will have a government with a backbone,
Then you will get everything you bloody well deserve,
We say,
Leave them alone to live in peace,
And soddy offy..
thank god they have us to protect them.
@78 axel arg,
Feb 09th, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NOW do you get it, Axel???????????????
Argentina has ZERO Rights in the Falkland lslands, ZILCH, NADA.
Understand at last, Axel?????
You have no rights here at all.
lf you disagree, take your laughable “claim” to the ICJ.
If you won't do that, then the only thing left for you is to TRY to invade us again!
Are you ready for that?
Are you ready for the consequences to Argentina?
lf not, then shut up.
@ 3 Gordo1
Feb 10th, 2014 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The only route to resolution of Argentina's “problem” is via the International Court of Justice.”
Unfortunately this would be a complete waste of time, as Argentina would never accept a verdict in The Falkland Islands' (and thus UK's) favor. Re. Beagle Islands arbitration.
For an ICJ verdict - any kind of arbitration, for that matter - to settle anything, Argentina will have to deliver hostages, the most important member of every important family in the country.
As long as she remains in government,
Feb 10th, 2014 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nothing will change.
@84 St John,
Feb 11th, 2014 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes l agree with you.
Argentina would only accept the court's ruling if the verdict was in their favour.
A few years ago l suggested to sr Think, the ICJ & he said that Argentina would go to the ICJ when there was enough Argentines or proArgentines on the court bench!!!!!
The absolute cheek of the man, its breathtaking.
Something about a “fair hearing for Argentina” or some other such rot.
lts shows that corruption is part of their very soul.
What a skewed way of looking at the world.
l like your idea of hostages, though.! lol!
Another Lawyer
Feb 11th, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems this Ricardo Alfonsín
Aint no better than CFK,
He too wants the islands,
Seems they never learn,
Still,
When the talking stops.?/lol.
@86 Isolde, “”“A few years ago l suggested to sr Think, the ICJ & he said that Argentina would go to the ICJ when there was enough Argentines or proArgentines on the court bench!!!!!”“ Isolde, as we all know by now, that's is the mentality of most Latin American Presidencies...and many idiots like Sr.Thick...... Look at Brazil and the ”Mensalão” - the largest corruption scheme exposed (2007) to date in Brazil, and put into practise by Lula and his Cabinet Minister, Jose Dirceu ; Before his 2nd term ended, he appointed two pals of his (judges) to the Supreme Court (both members of the Worker's Party (PT)) with one objective - do whatever it took to absolve the defendants (many of his Ministers and high-level collaborators) . Obediently, they proceeded accordingly, argueing incessantly to try to dismiss the accusations against the members of the PT. Although the prison sentences most of them received is a joke, at least they are out of politics for a few years.
Feb 11th, 2014 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very well said, Mr. Alfonsín.
Feb 12th, 2014 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The case can not be taken to the International Court of Justice without the agreement of the 2 countries. The UK knows, so he refuses to talk.
The Malvinas are Argentine.
#89
Feb 12th, 2014 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas are Argentine. Quite correct as they are on mainland Argentina. The FALKLANDS are not.
89 Malvinense 1833
Feb 12th, 2014 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0prove your point,
as far as we know, Argentina does not need anyone else or agreement from anyone,
they can and must take it to the ICJ themselves..
A good state policy make argentina a first world country with a thriving economy a workable democracy good infrastructre lack of corruption the y ou might intrest the falkland islanders
Feb 12th, 2014 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 091 Briton, Come see the National Archives, and read real history books, not condensed extracts(notes) such as Pascoe and Pepper.
Feb 12th, 2014 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regards.
@93
Feb 13th, 2014 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like the records in your National Archives concerning 1833 that your government ignores?
So what you are saying IS that Argentina cannot go to the ICJ without Britain's agreement,
Feb 13th, 2014 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0one suggests you are either brainwashed , or pulling a fast one..
@93...are we going to have to listen to this ALL over again ??? ”real history books ??? you mean those written by nationalist Argies who twist the facts ?
Feb 13th, 2014 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@96-agreed
Feb 13th, 2014 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0their are few wise men,
but always plenty of fools like these argies..
@96 Yes, books written by Spanish, French, Argentine, American and even British.
Feb 13th, 2014 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@95 So what you are saying IS that Argentina cannot go to the ICJ without Britain's agreement
Exactly!
“The case can not be taken to the International Court of Justice without the agreement of the 2 countries.
Feb 13th, 2014 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 089 Malvi,
Not quite. An agreement may be required for the Court to proceed with a suit, but it's not a requirement for a country to present one. This is what happened when the UK presented a suit re the Falkland Islands Dependencies.
Besides, there's the option of asking the UNGA to seek an Advisory Opinion on any point of international law regarding the Falklands. Prior agreement by states is not required when seeking Advisory Opinions.
”The UK knows, so he refuses to talk.”
Argentina has never approached the UK about presenting a suit to the ICJ
@98 Malvinese1833,
Feb 14th, 2014 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't need anything from us.
lf you feel that you have a case, then present your evidence to the ICJ.
No-one can stop you doing that.
What are you waiting for?
Correct!
Feb 14th, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina doesn't need anyone's permission to approach the ICJ for an Advisory Opinion.
It could ask any question it wanted regarding its sovereignty claim.
But of course it won't..... because they already know the truth.
unless you are @98,
Feb 14th, 2014 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then its all our fault Argentina cant go. typical..lol
#98
Feb 14th, 2014 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.icj-cij.org/information/en/ibleubook.pdf
Read the 248 pages and come back to us with your thoughts
QUOTE
An application, which is of a unilateral nature, is submitted by an
applicant State against a respondent State. It is intended for com-munication to the latter State and the Rules of Court contain stricter
requirements with respect to its content. In addition to the name
of the party against which the claim is brought and the subject of
the dispute, the applicant State must, as far as possible, indicate
briefly on what basis — a treaty or a declaration of acceptance of
compulsory jurisdiction — it claims the Court has jurisdiction, and
must succinctly state the fact and grounds on which it founds its
claim. At the end of the official title of the case the names of the
two parties are separated by the abbreviation v. (for the Latin
versus), e.g., Nicaragua v. Colo
This looks as if only ONE applicant need apply HOWEVER I may have misunderstood.
If you look at page 46 of this book under a list of countries who accept the decisions of the ICJ you will see the UK but NOT Argentina.
So, it appears to me that Argentina COULD unilaterally take the matter to the ICJ but refuse to accept it's findings if it did not get the ruling it wanted.
Do you agree ?
If not, please point out my error using the above source document with references taken from it.
I have not read it in any detail but just picked out what I thought were the salient points.
@98
Feb 14th, 2014 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your reply anticipated..
101 Anglotino,
Feb 14th, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0States can't seek Advisory Opinions, only UN Organs can. Argentina can ask the UNGA to seek an Advisory Opinion. This is what Serbia did regarding Kosovo.
UN Organs
Feb 14th, 2014 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0???
@105 dab14763
Feb 14th, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While states can't individually seek Advisory Opinions, the mechanism is not only available to UN organs. It is available to any intergovernmental international organisation. Though the UN is an easy and common route.
So Argentina could seek one through Mercosur, UNASUR, CELAC or the UN.
So there is no barrier to it seeking one. Especially considering how much support it purports to have.
@98 Malvinense 1833, well, if the books you refer to are historically correct, then they have to show that Argentina has no legitimate claim to the FI...which goes to show that either you did not understand what was written, or you were brainwashed at school. As dozens of posters have said here, if you believe you are right, go to the ICJ....n stop spouting bilge.
Feb 14th, 2014 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anglotino,
Feb 14th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See Article 96 of UN Charter. It's UN Organs and Specialized Agencies as listed here:
http://www.icj-cij.org/jurisdiction/index.php?p1=5&p2=2&p3=1
Not any international organisation.
PETE BOG.
Feb 15th, 2014 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have discussed in planty of opportunities, including with you about the partial lectures that many people, including you make in relation to the historic and the legal aspects of this conflict, in fact, i have always recognized that the case has strong and weak aspects for both nations.
Anyway, there is something that you, and many other people like you, who often make too partial lectures must learn. When any historic moment is studied, it's absolutly necesary to take the context of it into account.
I say it, because you, and some other people here, insist on making refference to the arana southern treaty. Firstly, that treaty didn't have anything to do with this conflict, the main reason of it, was the rasing of the blockade, beside, it has never been invoked by britain as a soposed renounce of argentina's rights over the islands. Anyway, it's true that since 1949 untill 1880, argentina didn't present any protest, and since that year untill 1946, argentina's claims weren't permanent. But, you all fail sistematicly in taking into account the context of our country in XIC century. In that time, argentina had a very big economic dependence with the empire, where it handled most our economy, then, it was obvious that the country wasn't in conditions for claming britain for our rights over the islands. You can agree or not on this lecture, but argentina's great dependence with the u. k. was a fact. Anyway, despite this weak aspect of our claim, britain tried to negotiate with arg. in 1968, 1974 and 1980, this is another objetive fact which shows that the case has strong and weak aspects for both nations.
Respecting arbitration, if it soposes that only arg. should present it's case before i. c. j., then why do you think that the u. k. manifested to be disposed to discuss about the cases of the dependencies from the islands in 1947?. You already know what i think about it.
CLYDE 15: Read what i wrote for pet bog.
BRITON: Sorry for using the wrong word.
sorry for sounding sharp here, but I wish Argentina would finally realise that the Falklands have never, nor will ever be part of Argentina.
Feb 16th, 2014 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0They will never be able to have the islands, and if, there ever was a chance that the Falklands were forced against their will to become Argentine, then they would vote overwhelmingly to become independent and would be supported by the UK and UN to do so.
They would also the join the commonwealth and still have UK forces based in MPA and troops training there, so no wet dreams about oil for Argentina, which is what this is all about
Change the record, Axel.
Feb 16th, 2014 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0NO! You do not own the Falklands,
NO! Argentina has NO RIGHTS here.
NO! We will NOT negotiate OUR Sovereignty.
Which part of NO, don't you understand dear Axel.?
ldiota
#110
Feb 16th, 2014 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0, britain tried to negotiate with arg. in 1968, 1974 and 1980,
1982 changed all that. End of story.
@110 Axel
Feb 16th, 2014 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Anyway, there is something that you, and many other people like you, who often make too partial lectures must learn. When any historic moment is studied, it's absolutly necesary to take the context of it into account.”
Correct. But whenever it is mentioned that the Falkland Islands were owned by Spain and great Britain-the CONTEXT of the Spanish withdrawal is assumed by Argentina as an inheritance of the Spanish claim.
Spain rejected the UPs case for becoming independent of Spain until the 1850s so the assertion that the UPs could have inherited a claim from a country that did not surrender that claim for the UPs/other South American territory is simply ludicrous-and as you say. it is down to CONTEXT.
The treaty that the UK and Spain signed to avoid Britain going to war in 1770-1771 did not accept that any successor states to Spain in South America had any rights over the Falklands.
“But, you all fail sistematicly in taking into account the context of our country in XIC century. In that time, argentina had a very big economic dependence with the empire, where it handled most our economy, then, it was obvious that the country wasn't in conditions for claiming britain for our rights over the islands.”
In the same way, you Axel fail systematically to see that Britain negotiating with Argentina in the 1960s and 1970s also must be seen in the relevant context. The UK did not have any doubt that its claim was good, and in any case it was bound by the UN charter AND res 2065 to take the interests of the population (i.e. FI ) into account. The reason the UK were willing to consider transferring the Islands to Argentina was nothing to do with whether the rights of the islanders were illegitimate or not, or for that matter the legitimacy of UK's claim, but the Islands were seen as being of no financial benefit to the UK and that trade with Argentina was seen as a more important for the UK economy-therefore the UK negotiated for economic gain
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