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Capitanich reacts to US Senators statements on Cristina Fernandez government
Argentina's cabinet chief Jorge Capitanich reacted on Friday to US Senators' remarks who on Thursday harshly criticized the economic policies of President Cristina Fernandez administration and forecasted an economic collapse sooner than later. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“We have an ally that doesn’t pay bondholders, doesn’t work with our security operations, is reopening the AMIA terrorist investigations. These aren’t the actions of an ally”
Feb 08th, 2014 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!
Word to the wise you can only fool all of the people, some of the time. The US has got your card marked!!!
Does anyone still listen to Capitanich?
Feb 08th, 2014 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0He always looks scared or nervous in his photos. Like his job/ life depends on convincing people of his BS.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, at least the US backs Argentina 100% with their Falklands claim. Er, wait a minute. The US said they were remaining neutral.
3 Joe Bloggs
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0He does have that look like “I don't believe want I am saying”.
Either that our he's just been told to bail out the Titanic with a teacup.
He must be quivering with anger! All too obvious, the “gringos” do NOT trust Argentina.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ya right full democratic rights...like the right to spend your hard earned money as you please. By the way...Capatinich has attempted to resign. Didn't think he would last long. Ministers are not there to give advice to CFK...just to do as she says.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 03. He looks like an old drag queen, with too much botox and a bad eye lift.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Super creepy guy.
I've said it before the USA DEA is very very concerned about the meth trade in Arg. This is the next gov't out with CFK send her to us to be tried as a drug lord and she can rot in our jails then they won't have to worry about her.
Civil, politic(al) and social rights. Are you kidding, startled rabbit ?
Feb 08th, 2014 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does this include attacking journalists, ransacking the offices of American cruise companies, branding those thinkers who dare to disagree as traitors, trying to prevent Uruguayan parliamentarians from visiting, and denying freedom of speech to Falkland Islanders ?
You are free to talk the biggest load of bollocks if you wish. We would not seek to deny you that right. Just don't expect to be taken too seriously.
”Marcelo Tinelli’s run with Fútbol Para Todos (FPT) ended abruptly Thursday night, the day before the beginning of the anticipated first division tournament, and not without some Twitter drama that kept most of the media busy today.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner and the rest of her administration had turned to Tinelli, a television star and businessman, to revamp the FPT brand and image, but internal disputes have ended in the removal of Tinelli by Cristina herself, who, according to La Nación, called the head of the Argentine Football Association last night to say he was out. “He thinks he’s more powerful than me,” she allegedly said.“
”When Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich took office last November, he did so under the promise of openness and change. He would talk to the media every morning and answer their questions. He would try to reset the relationship between the electorate and the administration, which took a severe beating after the October midterms.
But his job has been uphill ever since, and it is of public knowledge that he’s been struggling to maintain coherence in an increasingly incoherent environment. According to recent media reports, last night, after Marcelo Tinelli was kicked out of the Fútbol para Todos by the President, it seems that Capitanich – who had personally spearheaded the project – couldn’t handle another failure and tendered his resignation to Cristina.”
From The Bubble Ar.
A joke making the rounds on the Internet says that if Argentina were a celebrity, it would be Justin Bieber — a rich, spoiled, irresponsible teenager, who always repeats the same mistakes, and always blames others for them.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Much like Justin Bieber, the 19-year-old singer who, among other brushes with the law, was recently arrested in Miami for speeding with his yellow Lamborghini while under the influence, Argentina’s President Cristina Fernández has squandered Argentina’s biggest commodity bonanza in a populist fiesta, and is now blaming others for the country’s skyrocketing inflation, massive capital flight and crumbling economy.
“What the f--- did I do? Why did you stop me?” Bieber asked the Miami Beach police officer who pulled him over in his rented Lamborghini the early hours of Jan. 23, according to the arrest report.
President Fernández’s televised speech to the nation on Tuesday was not too different. It could be summed up in a few words: Why do critics blame me for the country’s current financial troubles?
Fernández blamed Argentine bankers, supermarket owners and opposition media for the country’s skyrocketing inflation and capital flight. “We are not going to allow them to continue looting the Argentine people’s pockets,” she said, referring to all of the above.
But Argentina’s problems are self-created by the Fernández government. Since 2003, when Fernández’s late husband Nestor Kirchner took office, Argentina’s central government spending has soared from 15 percent to 29 percent of the country’s GDP, according to a new study by the Fundación Mediterránea and IERAL think tanks.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/05/3915007/andres-oppenheimer-argentina-has.html#storylink=cpy
Captain Dismal is pequeña pulga and about as intelligent as one.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TMBOA is the bitch carrying many of the same kind up the crack of her arse.
They all need the regular flea treatment!
The Argentinean tragedy strongly resembles another tragedy.....
Feb 08th, 2014 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Titanic.
Two stupid youngsters fall in love the boy drowns; the girl survives, while the whole nation is slowly sinking...
Instead of all that, Capitanich should have made at simple statement:
Feb 08th, 2014 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Foreign legislatures have no assigned constitutional powers in Argentina's laws. Whatever they deliberate upon is 100% irrelevant. Next question'.
@13 Narine T. Nüster
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems that anyone who speaks the truth is 100% irrelevant - to have I misinterpreted you?
They can speak the truth, which of course is then up to debate. The bottom line is however, whatever they palaver has no consequence. That's what Capitanich should have done. The Argentine government and the US legislature are not on equal ground when it comes to Argentine law making. The former is fully within its purview, the latter has absolutely no control.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So to respond to them with anything but stating the obvious, they are a bunch of zeros to the left of 1, is deigning them a stature they do not enjoy in this area.
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Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yes Dany, I am sitting here watching your country collapse and feeling quite grand that all of my predictions have come to pass.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope you put all your capital into Pesos like you said last April.
You would have been much better off buying sugar and laundry detergent like I suggested.
And here is a REAL collapse, in flying colors:
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.weather.com/travel/ruins-rust-belt-abandoned-buildings-photos-seph-lawless-20140206
United States. Nowhere but down. And that is now spreading to the empty neighborhoods in Florida, California, Arizona, Las Vegas due to the 2009 economic crisis.
And now with the water drying up for the entire west USA, and the north USA becoming an ice world, (and the south ravaged by super tornadoes and hurricanes), there is no where to hide.
And of course, the USA still owes 17 trillion which is going nowhere fast.
No where but down.
Good day my EUian cousins and my unfortunate USAnian friends.
It was Maximo K, La Campora that wanted a saying in FpT…Hebe de Bonafini one of the most vehement and reactionary leaders of the Abuelas de Plaza de Mayo “Grandmothers” warned Tinelli literally that FpT is for” making politics and not money”as Nestor Kirchner said back in 2010 when football transmitions where snatched from Clarin’s sports brand TyC.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With Tinelli, TyC would have returned from the back door into transmitting Arg football and in fact they had already removed the most militant propagandist of FpT by Capitanich’s consent. This is what triggered La Campora to start blocking the new deal. Eventually at 4.00 am in the morning CFK raging with fury cancelled the whole deal.
Ahh whataboutery. The poorly educated persons only response to facts.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, if you only knew how idiotic you sound you'd never post the crap you do.
He looks like Squirrel out of Benidorm
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Toberine
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That wouldn't be the right message to send whilst simultaneously begging the Paris Club to extend additional borrowing.
(19) CabezaDura2
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Eventually at 4.00 am in the morning CFK raging with fury cancelled the whole deal.”
I say...:
Woooooooow......
You, “Monitos Tití”are soooo well informed about Ms. Kirchner!!!
Tell me.... How many soft boiled babies did Cristina had for breakfast?
23
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dunno....She swallowed many millions of babies from Kicillof ....
23. We are all still waiting on the “good news” stories you promised.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At 4.00 of the morning...
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1662431-cristina-estallo-de-furia-en-mitad-de-la-noche
When both Dems and Repubs are displeased with the nominee, it is highly likely that he will not be the Ambassador. Dickhead Obama needs to find someone that at least traveled there once and understands the BS Argentina is slinging. And these two wield more influential power than Obama does within Congress.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“US State Department spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, dismissed speculation that the senators’ comments would affect relations with Argentina. “I think we speak from here on US Government policy. And obviously, there are a range of comments on a range of issues that are made every day from not just members of Congress but officials around the country,” she said.”
Fortunately for Americans, the POTUS cannot act without Congress on most matters and cannot appointment without Senate oversight. Executive orders can only go so far and have minimal impact, including interim recessional appointments.
26. That women is unhinged.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder when someone will do something to fix that problem?
There has been much written about the “fragile five” in the financial press and today I see there is a new elite group the “desperate duo” : Ukraine and Argentina!
Feb 08th, 2014 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How much rope has Kicillof got left?
I thought that the USA agreed with Argentina and supported her wholeheartedly in all things. At least, that is what Timerman was boasting some while back and confirmed by the Argie trolls on here. Could we possibly have been misinformed ?
Feb 08th, 2014 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 030. Rg Govt press releases are always one sided. No matter what it is, oil, Falklands, Paris Club, whatever they are saying in Arg you never hear from the other side.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blah Blah company agrees to huge oil investment! Yet this so called Blah Blah company never says a word.
Same goes for when AxelK came back from the Paris Club meeting heralding a triumph. Too bad for him the PC was watching and negated everything he claimed.
Cfk and minions are constantly getting smacked across the face and embarrassed.
You'd think they would wise up.
@yankee bobo
Feb 08th, 2014 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep watching while you can....
If you would understand economy you should know that for me doesn’t matter if the dollar goes up or down because I always get profit. Ha ha
If the dollar goes up I rise the price if the dollar goes down I keep the price.
Can you see I always win.... Like any multinational I leaned this since long time ago...
Don’t worry a country like Argentina always emerges from ashes like the Phoenix ...
BTW How USaMEX is doing with OBOSO?
I heard that a lot of industries are closing down and Jobless is growing despite OBOso propaganda.
Do you thing that this is a lie?????
I guess not even you can denied that...
Am I right?....
#32 Aye Danny,, Argentina always rises from the ashes eventually, such a rich source of commodities it can't do anything else. A new load of thieves and freeloaders will be attracted to running the country again. It is just a shame that so many people either die (dirty war) or the honest people get everything taken away from them each time(financial crises, theft of private pensions etc).
Feb 08th, 2014 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The honest people suffer the criminals, hopefully, hang.
Does anyone else notice the innate selfishness of the posts by the K supporters? I have heard it from TTT, Think and DB. When they are faced with irrefutable evidence of decline they start with the 'I'm alright Jack' posts. It explains a lot.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 034)
Feb 08th, 2014 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT blames the EU and the US for everything. Think deflects to talking about whataboutery of the Falkland islands and flirting with the housewives and DB aka El Diego pretends he is rich and everything is OK in Argentina
34 ElaineB
Feb 08th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ When they are faced with irrefutable evidence of decline they start with the 'I'm alright Jack' posts.”
They are hilarious arn't they? a regular laff-a-minute. Poor TTT pretends ( in his most recent incarnation ) to be European!!!
As for Think and his sock puppet ( A_Voice ) a song comes to mind:-
“Because he knew a thing or two, He thought he knew it all.....”. I can quite honestly say that this forum would not be the same if it wasn't for them all posting misinformation and their half truths.
It always gives my day a little lift!!
By The Way, Do you think that Jorge Capitanich looks like a wide mouth frog? The pose the photograph has caught him in is very flattering, don't you think???
@36 I think the picture editor has a great sense of humour. It certainly gives me a laugh.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Capitanich looks like he just took an ice pick to the forehead in that photo.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 038 Troy Tempest
Feb 08th, 2014 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0..........or someone has just flicked his off switch.
Or he has been shot by a sniper?
Feb 08th, 2014 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These 2 senators Rubio (puberty face) and Menendez (impotent face) are seeking attention mentioning the “argentine economic crisis” while they cannot resolve the USA economic crisis.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Noahn Mamet does not know where to find Argentina in a map.
Obama blames his race: Black for his low job performance which indicates he just cannot control himself. He is lost.
I would like to add that most of the usa ambassadors to Argentina are not welcome.
USA Ambassador Raul Castro resigned because Argentina did not like his mexican spanish speaking accent which is not acepted in Argetnina.
41 ck177
Feb 08th, 2014 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what you are saying is that, because Obama is a black man, he is not a good president and that argentina doesn't like the US Ambassadors because of the funny way they speak........
wow, Tell you what suzie, why don't you take your racist a*se back to your trailer park?
If argentina is filled with people who think the same as you then, the kindest thing we can do is turn the whole country into glass.
Looks to me like something was rammed up his posterior!
Feb 08th, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think a reporter just told him that someone had cloned his Swiss Bank Account!
Feb 08th, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the complete fraud and faulty public statistics of the entire decade, I think it is fair to ask ourselves if Argentina ever really came out of the 2001 crisis...
Feb 08th, 2014 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a comment from Ecuador, one of the countries which Timerman and La Kretina allege to support them - Ha! Ha!
Feb 08th, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.eluniverso.com/opinion/2014/02/08/nota/2151031/ahora-argentina
46) What has that got to do...Do you think that Argentina's free press (whats left of it) doesn't criticize Venezuela or Ecuador??
Feb 08th, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(45) CabezaDura2 says...:
Feb 08th, 2014 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ With the complete fraud and faulty public statistics of the entire decade, I think it is fair to ask ourselves if Argentina ever really came out of the 2001 crisis...”
(47) Think says...:
Wooooooow....... CabezaDura2, the Argentinean Neo breaking the Peronist Matrix!
Ha ha ha….. I knew that would touch a nerve and that would smoke you out of hiding place; flirting with basic housewives and talking about sheep of those islands...
Feb 08th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now let me reassess my point once again…
¿¿¿Did Argentina ever really leave the Crisis of 2001???
SHAMEFUL SILENCES.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunatelly, objetive facts show that i am not wrong when i say that imperialist nations have a very reactionary and stigmatizing view in relation to latin american governments with center left ideologies. Rubio's and mendez's expressions can't sorprise anybody, in fact, what can we expect from lobbists who support vulture founds?, it's obvious that those guys will always think that c. f. k.'s policies are horrible. In the same way that nobody can be sorprised either for the lack of critics of our sepoys, about the expressions of those deputies, it's also obvious that those cretins won''t never defend the interest of the country.
Anyway there is something that is really lammentable and pathetic, i mean the fact that only one representant from opposition rejected the words of those deputies, it was ricardo alfonsin, all the rest of opponent politicians haven't said absolutly anything about this question, not even the ultra leftits sectors. These shameful silences show perfectly that if some of them win presidential elections in 2015, they will be absoluty functional to u. s. .a's interests, that's why, it's expectable that they become argentina into one more u. s. a's backyard again.
For all these reasons, i have always thought that despite some serious falencies of c. f. k's government, i will always praise the fact that unless we aren't nobody's backyard anymore, despite some serious structural problems that we still have.
On the other hand, what moral authority does u. s. a. have to criticise the problems that we have with drugs illegal traffic, if u. s. a. is the firts drugs consummer?, it's just one small proof of the hypocrisy of those cretins deputies.
Is it true the Iranian navy is heading for USA Maritime waters,
Feb 08th, 2014 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is this a conspiracy with CFK to pressure the Americans,
someone is telling porkies...lol
(49) CabezaDura2
Feb 08th, 2014 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Ha ha ha….. I knew that would touch a nerve and that would smoke you out of hiding place; flirting with basic housewives and talking about sheep of those Islands...”
I say...:
Them “Very Basic Island Housewifes” are 10 times wiser than you, lad...
Them sheep....................................... ~20 times...
@42
Feb 08th, 2014 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please, read the New Yorker edition of 1/17/2014 in which Obama stated his race: BLACK as the fact for his low job performance approval rate. Such DEFENSIVE TACTIC is not expected from any president.
Eleven days later 1/28/2014 Obama dares to speak to the usa citizens stating that 2014 is the year the “action”. I have mentioned many times that Obama is incompetent and should resign his position.
I never lived in a trailer. what you gain posting such words.
ARGENTINA MUST EXPEL ALL USA EMBASSY PERSONNEL!
@53 Woah! Be careful there. CFK does not like anyone telling her what to do. Only she is allowed to wield power. Look at what happened to Tinelli.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50 axel
Feb 08th, 2014 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Unfortunatelly, objetive facts show that i am not wrong when i say that imperialist nations have a very reactionary and stigmatizing view in relation to latin american governments with center left ideologies”
How do your “objective facts” sit with the excellent relations Ms Bachelet's centre left government held with the “imperialist nations”?
@CD
“¿¿¿Did Argentina ever really leave the Crisis of 2001???”
Yes, but in an unsustainable manner. Hence, as with previous crises, the new crisis starts below the point of the previous one. i.e. 2 steps forward, 3 back, 2 forward ...3 back. The multi decade downward trajectory of the nations relative wealth in the world illustrates this.
CFK can do the same Venezuela did=send all the usa diplomatic personnel back to the wild wild west!
Feb 08th, 2014 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina don't like USA ambassadors.
The end of it.
52
Feb 08th, 2014 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah sure thing Think….Chubut is a disaster UOCRA internal clashes shootings, burning stations and vehicles LOL. Ex mayor Pt Madryn assaulted on the streets by another union.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1662151-tiroteo-quema-y-toma-de-la-uocra-en-comodoro-rivadavia
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1662151-tiroteo-quema-y-toma-de-la-uocra-en-comodoro-rivadavia
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1662151-tiroteo-quema-y-toma-de-la-uocra-en-comodoro-rivadavia
What happened to Yahuar’s White “squid” business in Rawson ( aka Socia) ?? Still prospering in Pt Madryn??
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1662151-tiroteo-quema-y-toma-de-la-uocra-en-comodoro-rivadavia
Chubut oozes of mafia but don’t worry a islander taking a dump 400 km away is much more important.
53 ck177
Feb 08th, 2014 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blah, blah, blah..............You're so retarded, you've even got the DATE the wrong way round.
It's:- 17th January 2014 dumass, not January 17th 2014.
55
Feb 08th, 2014 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nahhh it was mitigated and covered superficially by a massive entry of money from Soy bean boom and other commodities. The rest of it was consuming up stocks and living off capital that had being invested in the previous decade and not investing in any infraestructura nor upkeep. The soy dollars aloud to throw money and subsidizes for the unemployed and qualify them as” employed”, subsidies for the energy and transport sector, fiddling of the statistics so you can erase the amount of poor, make up GDP growth, inflation numbers, etc…
In no way you can claim to reduce poverty during the last decade if the size and surface of the slums has doubled in BsAs in the last 10 years. You can just Google earth and check it for yourself
Its one step foward and two steps back (GTA San Andreas)
@58 Wanker
Feb 08th, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Date the wrong way”....??????
This is the USA way of posting dates 2/8/2014.
I don't reside in the slum islands.
I am not briiiiiiiiitish or miiiiiiiiiiiiilitary trained.
“blah, blah, blah..”
What Rubio (puberty face) and Menendez (impotent face) are talking about “economic crisis” when they don't care about paying the USA 17 trillon dollar debt, the unemployed, reducing the food stamps to 47 millons usa citizens, creating more poverty?
These 2 idiots CANNOT control the drugs trafficking from MEXICO and resolve the serious problems affecting their OWN COUNTRY and they dare to mention the argentine economy?
60 ck177
Feb 08th, 2014 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know know you're not miiiiiiiiiiiiilitary trained..... It's PAINFULLY obvious to anyone that you are not briiiiiiiiitish either.
If you were, you would be in a “special needs” class.....Jesus wept, even they can string a sentence together better than you can. ....and they spend half the lesson licking the windows or trying to eat the crayons.
“..... and they dare to mention the argentine economy?”
What economy?? You haven't got one anymore!!! Thanks to criminal mismanagement and corruption on a breathtaking scale, you have allowed your president to run your country into the ground!!!
WELL DONE!!! I'm sure you are very happy.
Now the USA may have an issue with drugs and they do have problems of their own, I'll give you that.
But allowing their president to steal from the very people he is supposed to be serving??? Never
59. Soy was only part of how they pretended that the economy was doing well. Everyone seems to forget they stole private capital to the tune of U$12B every year. I can't even remember them but Anses, YPF, BCRA are a few.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason they're in so much trouble now is there's no more left to steal.
This 1x ability to get the Banks to sell most of the U$ they were holding was the last straw.
Next is forced pesification.
and Its right around the corner.
62
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those outright thefts and expropriations became usual after mid 2008 when they went for the AFJP's first they went for the 125 resolution that effectively confiscated 44% plus movile taxation on the price of soy. That failed, so they went for next sources of budget like the ones you mention. Soy it was really and only soy by that time. But of course by early 2008 Néstor first mandate had finished and they were already saying by then they (the Ks) had saved the country from the crisis and lifted it from its feet. The fact is that they were desperate for money already
@59 CD
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is about what I mean by “unsustainable”. After the 2001/2 crash anything would have looked like a recovery + the commodities boom that was just getting going.
Now that is fading and there is not much left to steal, it is going to be obvious who didn't fix the roof when the sun was shining.
@yankee
“This 1x ability to get the Banks to sell most of the U$ they were holding was the last straw.”
You would think so, but they do have an ability to find one more last straw at the bottom of the barrel.
I was shocked on my last trip after this “so called” won decade how terrible the sidewalks, parks, streets were in BA.
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They didn't fix anything while they had the chance
All of this deferred maintenance is going to cost the next gov't a lot of $ they don't have.
I also figured the cartanaros would have been gone during that time but there was more than ever!
And CD you are right the slums as you enter the city from the N suburbs have grown tremendously. They used to be 2 stories and stop about 1/2 before the 1st train stop and now they go on for like 3 or 4 stops.
It is shameful.
(63) Lheureux
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(64) Homais
Ok they threw Moreno to the wolves. Whose next? Looks like Boudou and after him Timmerman?
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@66
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't blame me you weren't good enough for Emma.
(68) Condorito
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who's blaming you, hermanito?
@69 Think
Feb 08th, 2014 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm seeing more numbers that Neo in the Matrix.
70 Condorito
Feb 08th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's Agent Smith approaching.....
@71
Feb 08th, 2014 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry he is too late. I have already spoken with the Machi.
(72) Condorito
Feb 08th, 2014 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She better be gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood....
It is painfully obvious to us now that the diplomatic route leads to the edge of nowhere. I am one sad and crestallen EUian tonight, as we and other non-Argentines seem to have a genuine desire to see that country and its people destroyed and cheerfully pray for disaster to befall them. I bid adieu, and will resume my life as a productive EUian which in fact IS genuinely sorry for all our crimes, unlike most of my EUian compatriots.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Long live EUianism, and good luck to you all.
@62, 63, 64
Feb 09th, 2014 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's 'won' decade succinctly and simply explained. Nice.
Its remarkable isnt it that Argentines just a couple of years after the biggest national default in history seemed to think their economic problems were mostly behind them. Its - not- that- simple!
You people wanted war... Now you are gonna get it.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am FULLY back to put you all back down to the first plnthof the 100 step noetic scale, in which I siton top.
But remember, I speak only the truth... after all, I am now only just a NEUTROLL OBSERVER!!
Good evening all, how have you all been!
*yawn
Feb 09th, 2014 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let us remember the fundamental difference here... Argentina comes out of 12 years of growth, that is something no one can dispute, fundamentally.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Europe and the USA come from a LOST DECADE in which all their sócio-economic indicators outright collapsed to the brink of Third-worldism.
As with all economic cycles, there is now a reprieve, an intermission, in the USA and Europe's descent to eternal irrelevance (please show me one nation or region in history that remained rich and powerful FOREVER... otherwise Mesopotamia would still sit on top!). And Argentina had to face a recession eventually (even though things are fine in Mendoza).
And also, Argentines admit our best days are behind us. But at least we had economic prosperity for almost 100 years from 1860 to 1950 or so.
I find it hillerical and histerious that people said “Argentina has/had so much potential”, shows the ignorance of the morons because Argentina already FULLFILLED its potential. Our decline was inevitable, as no nation remains rich or powerful forever.
Which is why the USA and Europe will be joining us very shortly...
Just a NEUTROLL OBSERVATION.
*giggle
Feb 09th, 2014 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0New name.
Same crap.
No riposte to fundamental facts.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jus another NEUTROLL OBSERVATION.
77 Anglotino
Feb 09th, 2014 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0“yawn”
well said.
it was inevitable, though,“ TrOLLby Hat ”, the umpteenth incarnation, has returned.
Zzzzz zzzz zzzz zzzzz...
Hi Snotty/ Narine. Was that sex change very expensive? Your new personality duly circum scribed I hope?
Feb 09th, 2014 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Troy
Feb 09th, 2014 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was inevitable.
If there is one constant with Nostrils, it is his predictability.
I suppose Narine lasted longer than Droll FM.
I don't expect any insightful postings. Just the same droll crap that he has said thirteen different ways last year.
For the nonce, demeured thought athwart the desmain, albeit into the gloaming. And now return to vacuousness, pace all here.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just a NEUTROLL OBSERVATION.
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Feb 09th, 2014 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0neuTrol.....What do you say is coming out Cobos vs Sanz ??
Nothing, the Radicals are useless. They are like fans of River Plate, gutless.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0(except Cobos, for that one moment which was probably the bravest vote I ever remember to untie the senate).
I preffer both of them to Binner. Cobos was a good governor for Mza after all. And for what I have heard of Sanz in Congress and TN programs he seems OK.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can either of them break the CGT... not sure.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt it if they receive the county with hyperinflation. The CGT's power is justified under those circumstances as they will have to be renegotiating salaries each month and mass unemployment. Its not that the Kirchners have being very hard against the fat boys. Though she favored La Campora against Moyanos unionist in 2011 elections triggering the Camioneros rebellion she does use other unionist like Calo to counter balance his power in the CGT rather than fighting the CGT legal power .
Feb 09th, 2014 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 2006 or 2007 would have being a good possibility and chance of undercutting the CGT power.
Hello Argentina, here is your future reallity...
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0NO-ONE will do business with you, You can not survive in the new Global world without partners!
Crass-tina, let's check-out how your buddy Ma-Burro is today sahll we?
A Public Service Announcement * Feb 9, 2014
--- Official Bolivarian ‘Wonderland’ Exchange Rate in Venezuela ---
BCV 6.3Bsf / 1USD (SICAD 11.3Bsf /1 USD)
----Today’s Reality Cheque --- The ‘Lechuga Verde’ or ‘Blue Dollar’
81.15 Bsf / 1 USD
107.44 Bsf / 1 Euro
See http://dolartoday.com/
Brought to you by Ilsen Publications ©2014 (*because dolartoday.com website is blocked in Vnzla by the current ‘administration’/dictatorship and the Press are banned from reporting it)
To show how different exchange rates impact normal consumers in Venezuela, Reuters calculated that a McDonald's Big Mac Combo would cost $2 at a black market exchange, $14 at the Sicad rate and $25 at the official exchange rate.
(any comments about a BigMac Diet will be received with derision, as this is merely an Example Index)
oh dear!
And tell me “Ilsen”, forget for a second your views on treacherous “Argentina”, what partners would Argentina be able to trust out there in the world?
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would like you to dare naming one “partner” that has been proven one can trust.
@91 - Hi Toby/Narine - I thought you got banned? Oh well.. just in case you really don't understand...
Feb 09th, 2014 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You Are An Idiot.
It is no longer about who can Argentina trust you fool. No serious country trusts Argentina becauase of (to name just a few things!);
Debt default (100 $Billion!!!!!!!!!!!)
Economic Mismanagement in general
Aggression towards a a small nieghbour Soveriegn nation (FI)
History of Military Dictatorships
Failure to solve basic internal problems (police strikes?!!? unheard of elsewhere!)
The need for a 'blue' dollar... why? Does not exist in EU/UK/USA
Political corruption.
That is just a start.
The whole issue is not about Argentina being able to trust 'others', it is that the 'others' do not trust Argentina. Including Brazil and Uruguay, as we have seen recently!
Meanwhile the K regime continues to inflict damage upon it's own people... No wonder no-one trusts Argentina as a 'State'...
utterly laughable!
Thank you for the longest “no” in the history of humanity.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, Argentina cannot trust anyone, that incudes the UK, one of the most untrustworthy nations in world history.
Just another NEUTROLL OBSERVATION.
OMG tobi....with all the names you go through it's obvious this website is your entire life in Mendoza. You are one sad and lonely teenager. You must be the pimply face teen no one likes in high school and everyone laughs at. Do the bullies take your lunch money?
Feb 09th, 2014 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do something meaningful......get laid.
Sex is for weaklings who have no mental fortitude to withstand carnal, sublunary proclivities.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 092 ilsen
Feb 09th, 2014 - 04:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0TTT Snotty Nostril-boy has said nothing new in any of his incarnations, for over a year.
“Argentina always the victim”
Thanks, message received and understood.
However, now that CD is a regular contributor on here, as well, it's interesting to see the common Argentine fictions spouted by TTT, refuted and discussed by one who knows.
Nostrils himself, is best ignored.
Hey Troy.....did you read of that fire at Iron Mountain? It was suppose to be a state of the art information storage facility. Funny thing is is that Baez, the guy linked to all the kirchner corruption and can tie the kirchner's in to a lot of things and was under investigation......all his shit was stored there, imagine that.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uhmmm, no.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unless in the UK and CANADA the politicians didn't want investigators snooping and sleuthing around... thus just as good as Argentina, right Popper?
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246087/Iron_Mountain_fire_in_Buenos_Aires_kills_9_destroys_corporate_records
'In 1997, Iron Mountain's document warehouse in New Jersey was damaged by fire. In 2006, the company's London warehouse was totally destroyed by fire. According to an Iron Mountain spokesman, the cause of the fire was never discovered. However the London Fire Brigade blamed arson.
Also in 2006, a fire damaged part of Iron Mountain's Ottawa, Canada storage facility'
Seems that New Jerseys governor and Tony Blair were busy, right?
Just another NEUTROLL OBSERVATION.
“Sex is for weaklings who have no mental fortitude to withstand carnal, sublunary proclivities”
Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's Virgin talk!
Tosser
Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 097 Captain Poppy
Feb 09th, 2014 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm, according to the article posted by a helpful observer, the fire sounds suspicious.
Not least because of the timing.
This is the only “state of the art ” Iron Mountain storage facility with modern fire prevention systems, to mysteriously burn down just as the government storing documents has politicians under investigation for massive fraud AND the Government, it's President, and the economy are about to collapse amidst much speculation of wholesale theft from public and private funds.
This could mean the difference between the corrupt politicians fleeing the country, being killed by the mob, or not.
This is a neutral observation, of course.
95 A_neuTroll_Observer
Feb 09th, 2014 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0You mean to say that either
a/ you are so ugly that no man or woman would even consider jumping into bed with you
or
b/ you are so inept and out of touch in your dealings with other people ( and your posts on here seem to prove this theory ) that no man or woman would even consider jumping into bed with you.
Stop cracking one off the wrist to the soundtrack of KFC's speeches and go out and find yourself a nice young man ( or woman ) then come back when you have lost all of that pent up rage.
Well at least we can see where Nostril's frustrations and inferiority complex come from.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0That was THE most revealing statement ever made by TTT. He just loves to expose himself here.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't seem to be exposing himself to anyone else.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I bet originally Toby started coming here to practice English. Secure in his little world that everyone thinks Rgs are superior, have the best of everything and that everyone admires them.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is what they are taught since birth
Pure unadulterated propaganda and mind control.
Then people started pushing back and showing him a reality he wasn't able to admit.
This is when he started to become unhinged.
His eyes are open now, he realized that he's been lied to his whole life and he is angry at the world.
This is his coping mechanism.
He is sad and lonely and knows he has no opportunity to prosper therefore lacks hope.
I used to find him funny and an interesting study but now I think he is as boring as Axel/Think/Voice/Marcos.
Possibly. Either that or he is a complete wind-up. I like to think that latter because if he is real he is in serious need of help.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think he is real, you can feel the sadness and anger in his posts.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are plenty of others that just come here to Troll, Think/Voice/Sussie/Marcos they never add anything meaningful to conversations and always interrupt like spoiled children.
I brought you up on another thread saying one of the only people I'd like to meet in person from the forum is Elaine due to your wicked sense of humor!
@108 Sorry, I didn't see that but thank you. I think there are quite a few witty folks on here that make me smile.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#101 Troy.....what also surprises me is that they actually store paper. I don;t know anyone that archives paper anymore. We use a system called “PaperVision” and everything is scanned and tagged to dates, numbers etc.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also I am surprised that no article on MP....this is not news worthy? Everyone sees the corruption ties in this fire that killed 9 to the kirchner's money laundering and decade long crime spree. Personally I really would have enjoyed seeing the Mussolini ending.
Tobi sex is for human beings, sex is to enjoy the human touch. Elaine is correct when she says it says a lot about you poor boy. Sexually relations is basic as breathing is.....yet you see it as a weakness....is it a sin and flaw also tobi? This folds into everyone suspect you are a teen and now being a virgin only strengthens that thinking. Poor Tobi.....never experienced true government leadership, never left Mendoza and now we know he never savored the scent of a woman. One day maybe you can rent one before you have a testicle discoloration.
Set your mind free and get laid.
To be fair, TTT has told us before that he does not date women or men. (Although he did once boast of bedding English girls because they are easy. I guess that was a dream he had.) The new revelation is that he thinks sex is for 'weaklings'. That is really messed up thinking, the kind you would expect from someone raised in a cult.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT clearly has no idea what he is missing but at least we can rest assured he will not have any offspring to pass on his prejudices and skewed ideas to.
The thought of TTT reproducing would be like something out of Ira Levin's novel.........only a la campora project.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Somehow I believe tobi has a small insight into part of what he is missing......between his dreams and carpel tunnel laden wrist. I just hope for his mom's sake he wears a diaper because I can't imagine he stays dry.
Don't let the sheets stick together tobi.....your mom will be irked.
“...Secure in his little world that everyone thinks Rgs are superior, have the best of everything and that everyone admires them.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is what they are taught since birth”
clearly yankee wannabe has never been to argentina.
the first thing argentinians are taught since birth is to be self-critical.
even before to learn to say mom and dad.
so nobody here thinks we are superior or the best at something.
as we say here siempre estamos viendo la mitad vacía del vaso.
Paul, I lived there far longer than I enjoyed and I am so glad I don't live there now.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I forgot how things were supposed to work and gave up some of the everyday vigilance that you need to survive in that horrible place. It is so nice to not have to worry about being kidnapped at an ATM or driving home.
I saw the motochorros are getting much more brazen, an open attack on Libertador! Scary stuff.
And its only going to get worse as the economy crumbles.
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Feb 09th, 2014 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the first thing argentinians are taught since birth is to be self-critical.”
How would I wish for that to be true...If that would be the case we wouldn’t be in the shit stink situation we are in now
I think that in the K years there was an increased sense of euphoria, over accomplishment, denial and chauvinism.
When it collapses again we will fall into colective depression and the mentality of the “salvese quien pueda”...
My parents had US$ in the bank and were pesified overnight.
@113 That is really interesting to hear because it is so different to my experience. Is the 'superiority' something they put on for visitors? I am genuinely curious.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another thing to consider is the impression Latin Americans have of Argentineans*. From north to south they speak of the same stereotype of the 'arrogant superiority' of Argentineans. Now I am thinking this is a front for a deep inferiority complex that must be the result of hyper-critical parents. Perhaps that is the reason they need so many psychotherapists?
*This tends to be porteños.
Cont-- I remember some years ago how a professor of mine bragged about how she and her husband had a pesos account and with help of some contact she managed to get it passed to US$... That was so enfuriating for me as I know me parents had worked very hard and trusted the Banks.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So yes, Argentines are going to shit on others whenever they can even if its for a vuelto during a crisis.
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Feb 09th, 2014 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i guess you could understand it better if you knew some spanish.
try any site of any argentinian newspaper and read the comments to check it.
the superiority something we put on visitors?
as far as i know, the vast majority of visitors and tourists who have been here, have had a good time.
probably your experience was different, but you cannot blame the others for that.
you should try psychotherapy, if you had psychotherapists there.
118) Yes but only in La Nación or Clarín wich is a right wing middle class who are last bastion and catharsis center. YT and FB is much more of a popular reflect of society. And yes they are in complete denial.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@118 You just cannot have a discussion can you?
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0118. I read and speak Spanish. I don't get to speak much here unless I am addressing a maid, server or gardener.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I want a Lemon, Limon? LEMON, que limon a yellow one! a yellow one! Sheesh. They end up bringing a green one anyway. It is a curse we endure though.
The whole country suffers from NPT.
@116 “Is the 'superiority' something they put on for visitors? I am genuinely curious.”
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kinda, we don't like foreigners to criticize us. Specially Chileans. Part of this is distrust for anything foreign as there are a lot of Peronists who think the Americans control the world media to make Argentina look bad whenever we do something that hurts their interests.
CONDORITO.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Respecting mrs bachelett's posture in relation to imperialist nations, i can only tell you that not all center left governments in south america think exactly the same in all the issues. I respect the chilean model, but i have never admired it. In my opinion, i think it's a model which benefits rich people more than middle class, because while it is true that chile hasn't had any of the disastrous economic crisis that we had in different moments, it's also true that it's the unequalest nation in latin america in terms of incoms, and it's considered one of the worst of the world, beside, something so basic like public education and health don't exist. For all these reasons, i have always thought that it's an economic model which benefits rich people much more than middle class.
On the other hand, respecting the crisis of 2001, i have always recognized that we still have serious structural problems, in fact, most our economy is joined by oligopolic groups, like in the case of agrarain sectors, foods, and metal mechanic, however kirchnerism has made so much in order to dismantle many points of the neoliberal structure that we had after 2 decades and a half of neoliberal policies.
Beside, despite the serious problems that we still have, actual situation isn't in absolut similar to what it was during the crisis of other times, in fact, last year we had an economic expansion of 5%. On the other hand, all workers receive payrases every year, which mitigate the effects of inflation. Last week c. f. k. anounced a new raise for retired people, and anounced also a social plan which helps young people who couldn't finish their studies.
Always yankee. Every time I ask for a lemon in my ice water ( one ice cube) I get a lime.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@122 Thanks, that is an interesting comment. Yes, I understand the strangely held view that the world is against Argentina. I do try to reassure people that it is not the case.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, to take it a little further, why do other Latin American countries hold that view of Argentineans? I am speaking in general terms and not all Latin Americans hold the view etc. etc. but it is a stereotype one hears a lot.
all workers receive payrases every year, which mitigate the effects of inflation.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a moron you are Axel. Your pay has gone from U$550/mo to U$264 in the last 5 years.
You seriously can't be that dumb can you?
the first in criticising the govt and opposition are the argentinians themselves.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so, you could read good articles about it in argentinian newspapers, simply because they have access to the sources of information.
now when you read an article about argentina here, it is completely misinformed and biased.
and so the comments
they are not critics of the political situation, for instance, but of the whole country as if it was an homogeneous entity.
and luckily, no country is an homogeneous entity.
127
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the contrary....
In fact even LN and Clarin are self censored. The opinions from outside media like NYT, The Economist , O’Globo is reproduced by LN and Clarin. Therefore they can simply say so and so says this or that… There is links and information posted by people here in MercoPress that are far more critical of the situation than Arg media publishes.
@127 I do read the Argentinean newspapers. I read the newspapers of all the countries that might be associated with my work. Just to clear up that point. I was interested in your opinion.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your job is related into statistics, opinión polls, social tendencies or stuff like that??
Feb 09th, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@130 Loosely.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it true Argentina has broken the record for the longest salami in the Americas?
luckily investigative journalism is alive and kicking here.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the ones that really can do it here, are argentinian journalists and media.
it is the same in any other field of journalism, from economy to sports.
there is in fact partisan journalism too.
when you read nespapers like pagina/12 or tiempo argentino, all you can find there are good news
it is as if argentina was belgium or norway.
they are exactly the same as this newspaper, but seen from the opposite end.
Woodward and Bernstein brought Nixon down. Who there can bringKirchner down?
Feb 09th, 2014 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thanks to journalism, v.p. boudou is being judged right now.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now, when are the brits going to judge blair?
or the u.s. going to judge bush?
never?
# 134 you are right Paul. The cowed press in the UK/USA has never ever criticised either Bush or Blair. You have such an insight into how things work in other countries. The British and American press is effectively merely a propaganda tool for the Prime Minister/President.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0131
Feb 09th, 2014 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I reckon its a NGO you work for Oxfam, Red Cross or the like...
134
Ironic you say that. Boudou is being judged thanks to a free lance journalist and writer Jorge Asis who was breve enough to publish back in July 2011 at the height of Boudou’s popularity
http://www.cronicadelnoa.com.ar/el-paraiso-de-the-old-fund/
Lately Lanata and Wiñazky toke over the investigation. But Asis blog which I followed has being hacked and attacked by the Ks.
He was letaly in Paris to present his books on a fair of Argentine literature when the ambassador and the “K” intellectuals toke over and prevented him from presenting his work. Of course the French cultured left as naïve as it can be…
@136 Forgive me if I do not elaborate. I have good reasons.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@134 Blair is pretty much PNG in the UK. He has been judged.
137
Feb 09th, 2014 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t want to expose but I really think I guessed it… The only thing I’ll say is I believe your “job” is under scrutiny lately back home lately....
You invite over suspition by being so secretive...LOL
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Feb 09th, 2014 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the journalist who investigated the ciccone affair seriously since 2011 was hugo alconada mon, from la nacion.
a newspaper that, in your words, suffers of self censoring.
it seems not.
135
i am not talking about the press.
i am talking of when the justice of the uk or the us are going to judge blair or bush.
it seems never.
Alconada Mon came later, the premise was from Asis blogg, I remember well... Its not Asis style to go over into to much detail, he’s on the vanguard stories but he sort of leaves it there allegorically and cynically but with a Little touch of humor and irony....
Feb 09th, 2014 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Asis published “Las Bovedas de Santa Cruz” half a decade earlier than PPT uncovered the money trail last year
@ 61
Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From your last “sentence”“....
__”allowing their president to steal from the very people he suppossed to be serving“_________________________________?
”their president“_______ name ??? .....
”he” _______________ instead of she??? .....
get lost!
(139) paulcedron
Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hereby promote you from “½ Gorilón” to “1/10 Gorilón”....
Keep exposing their double morals, lad....
I specially noticed poster (137) ElaineB answer to you about Tony Blair...:
“Blair is pretty much PNG in the UK. He has been judged.”
W h a t - a - F a k e!
And please..... keep throwing peanuts at CabezaDura2....
He's “Thinks” he's a “Gorilón denserio”....
Gorilones eran los de antes, pebetes..... Por suerte casi todos muertos o en cana...
the only ones who have suffered censoring were the “rebel” journalists in the pro k media, most of all in the group c5n, and they were already fired.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the rest of the pro k or officialist media, only has pro-government journalists.
they dont have anyone to censor.
as far as i know, and if you read any of their articles or editorials, neither julio blank, van der kooy, nelson castro, alconada mon, mariano obarrio, etc suffer any kind of censoring or self censoring.
so, again, to say that you need to read foreign media to get informed about argentina is completely wrong.
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Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sound a bit nostalgic you couldn’t belong to those who came down from the Sierra Maestra Think… Ware you not part of the glorious youth ??
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Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0143
Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By far most of the Argentine media actually says we are heading for another total collapse. It simply informs day to day decadence. Foreign media does actually anticipate and predicts where we are heading. There is a big difference...
145
Still crying for him??
http://www.taringa.net/posts/imagenes/13612764/Che-Guevara-muerte-y-fusilamiento.html
142 Think
Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Paul Cedron, I hereby promote you from “½ Gorilón” to “1/10 Gorilón”.... ”
What an honour!
think
Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the funny thing here is that neither this project of newspaper nor their readers can do a decent review about the situation of argentina without basing their opinions in stereotypes or prejudice.
even funnier, some argentinians here also do the same, regardless if they are in favour of the government or not.
146) Sorry I meant that Arg media DOESN'T HAVE the guts to anticípate we are heading for another total collapse, save for Urgente 24
Feb 09th, 2014 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Par Toutatis !! Par Belenos!!..... it is falling
Feb 09th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least you know your Asterix.....
Feb 09th, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course I do know my Asterix, my mum has 90% of the entire collection …. You are not going to tell me you had to Google that?? I mean I’m sure you don’t have to use Google to prove how well cultured you are on MP Mr Think ??
Feb 09th, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmmmmmm
Feb 09th, 2014 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wise mom you have
How does she look like? ;-)
Well if she read Asterix she obviously grew up in the 1960s and 1970s...ergo she is too young for you
Feb 09th, 2014 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@138 I do not aim for secretive. : )
Feb 09th, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think I know any poster's job or profession. Would they even tell the truth? : )
You never know…..
Feb 09th, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She could be like “Taillefine” and fancy an “Edadepiédrix” as me ;-)
(I readily admit that I had to google them names :-)
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Personajes_de_Ast%C3%A9rix#Asurancet.C3.BArix
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Feb 09th, 2014 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I mean you like to throw random pieces of data about yourself and your travels but at the same time talk about your “work” in a secretive manner.... Don’t you just not love to have us thinking about you ?? Like all women of course. : )
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Foooooock that is a creepy thought!!! Get out of here!!
Touched a nerve...... huhhhhhhhh?
Feb 09th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)))
@158 I never really thought about it. It is just somewhere to debate and listen to people's views.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0159
Feb 09th, 2014 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Edadepiedrix or Agecanonix also had a grand daughter in one episode....
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Feb 09th, 2014 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Foooooock that is a creepy thought!!! Get out of here!!
;-)))
Think... Ok you might be right great grand daughter then.... I just need to level to the same generation.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ElaineB what is your opinión on Godfrey Bloom (UKIP) ??
You really dig older women, lad...
Feb 09th, 2014 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First my great grand daughter...
Then that ElaineB cougar...
Chuckle chuckle©...
@163 I am no fan of UKIP at all.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0141 ck177
Feb 09th, 2014 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, I will say this ssssssssllllllllooooooowwwwwwlllllllyyyyyy so you can understand me.
Your head is as empty as the promises of KFC's government and your intellect is bankrupt as argentina.
I know that being a retard is a right that everyone has but you are abusing that privilege.
Don't Rg opposition journalists have a nasty habit of turning up dead?
Feb 09th, 2014 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0165
Feb 09th, 2014 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why did he say you were paying with British aid, Mirages for Argentina??... It’s interesting because he must have had information at first hand...a few days later it was announced that Argentina was acquiring the Mirages from Spain.
I think he has a fair point regards to the aid you are sending abroad. If I was British I think Iwould vote Ukip.
@168 Interesting.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not happen to agree that we should not be sending aid abroad. Britain is a wealthy and developed country, part of a global community. We have always traded and offered aid as part of our diplomatic relations with other countries. To change policy would be a mistake. UKIP are a slightly less extreme version of the Tea Party. They pander to peoples fears and prejudices. IMO
I was watching Farage profiting from the misery of the flood victims in Somerset. He was claiming that he would not have sent aid abroad and would have spent the money on flood defences. It is so easy to tell people what they want to hear; after the event. There is no doubt the Environment Agency made some pretty bad decisions but stopping all aid going abroad would not have necessarily put the money into flood defences.
The floods are awful. An absolute misery for the people living on flood plains and low lands during the wettest period for 300 years. I don't think their misery is assuaged by Farage claiming that if he was in power it wouldn't have happened. (Amazing if he can control the weather).
UKIP is rather like the LibDems. They made all kind of promises they never thought they would have to keep because they never expected to have to deliver on them. Look what happened to them.
“We have always traded and offered aid as part of our diplomatic relations with other countries. ”
Feb 09th, 2014 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0always?
are you sure?
no?
165 Elaine
Feb 09th, 2014 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The “us first” ( read “me first”) attitude of UKIP and other far- right political groups, is not in the best interest of the UK, long range.
Britain's success is based on trade and foreign relations. To become Protectionist and retreat back to the British Isles would be to limit their potential.
That being said, while I do approve of British bursaries and scholarships for higher learning, perhaps the aid money could be spent better on countries which do not have a government that is hostile towards us.
169
Feb 09th, 2014 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if Argentina was a rich country I wouldn’t want tax payer money given away abroad. It might sound hypocritical if we are receiving money at the moment but I prefer that countries and people around the world learned to fish instead of being given the fish.
I don’t see how any transfer of money or founding to states involves the local authorities not having power of the aid at a certain point…
I would warn you that a single pound in aid would be used for political clientelism in Argentina by the government. Less to say, those African dictators who buy Yates in Marseille, apartments in Paris or weapons in the black market.
@171 I said as much in my post @ 169.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with your last point but then again we can use such aid to draw countries in rather than alienate even more. Soft power has worked well for us in the past and it can be quietly withdrawn if necessary.
173
Feb 09th, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you are completely wrong and frankly naive. Sorry, that attitude of throwing money at the problems has entirely failed.
Africa has become a continent of half starved beggars. Something alike can be said of India. In part thanks to some Irish rock loonies like Bono and Bob Geldolf all for Africa mentality... Giving away money in aid and accepting refugees, apologizing everywhere for your colonial past just to make your political class feel good about themselves is not going to be rewarded nor recognized in the 3rd world, it’s not stopping Al Qaeda, nor anti imperialist left wing ideology in these countries, and least to say famine, corruption, dictators, human rights abuses, trafficking, immigration, aids, cholera, poverty, illiteracy, etc.
France is well liked in North Africa not because it gives money away. But because they are winners. They go there when they are called, kill the bad guys and return home
@174 You are mixing a lot of issues there. It is almost impossible to address each issue when they are muddled like that.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even Sir Bob realises throwing money at Africa was a waste of money but most of that came from the public donating, not the government. Bono is a complete twat.
Soft power and diplomacy achieve far more than you are giving credit. The fact that it is not overt does not diminish the effectiveness. BTW I am not naive, I just look at the bigger picture over the long term.
175
Feb 09th, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well but you are not very good at politics & soft power are you?? after all Venezuela had half a continent aligned with much less money!!
So the key point is what aid is really for if it doesn’t solve the issues it may only mitigate them, plus the money is used for other purposes.
Pakistan is one of the most heavily aided countries in the world, and it is a islamist safe heaven and Al Qaedas HQ covered by the Pakistani intelligence…Pakistan receives aid while it is a nuclear power and could hand over to the terrorist nuclear material at the blink of an eye… What you are actually paying for is security.
173 Elaine
Feb 09th, 2014 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am still in favour of rewarding by education or awarding places at a British University for individuals.
There is a lot to be said for spreading our influence and Goodwill by drawing them closer.
However, financial Aid to those governments overtly hostile to us - yes, QUIETLY withdrawing that Aid is a good idea.
Those governments are not going to be “pushed away” any further than they are already. It could be re-allocated as Aid to another beneficiary.
Additionally, Aid could be reinstated after a “regime-change” by the locals.
@176
Feb 09th, 2014 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So the key point is what aid is really for if it doesn’t solve the issues it may only mitigate them, plus the money is used for other purposes. ”
Yes, you make a good point that I agree with. In some cases the money has been misused but it is not always the case. And how can you possibly know what the covert benefits were? How successful Britain has been over decades of trading with, working with and financing can't be judged by what you read in the newspapers. It is much more complex. If you really think politicians give away money to make themselves feel good you are much mistaken. There is always a quid pro quo. In my experience.
Venezuela never used SOFT power.
177
Feb 09th, 2014 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL...The Brits have being aiding countries like India and Brazil who are richer tan they are nowdays. Germany was even aiding China not so long ago. Its not Argentina they are aiding. They are aiding Pakistan out of fear they might hand over the bomb to the terrorists.
The idea of a good relationship in political terms must come from a trade and common interest. But the later will come only in realistic terms. You cannot buy a country if there is no political common ground or interest.
@177 I agree and all the time we (and the US) have the best universities we will continue to have influence. We have educated a lot of world leaders including many dictators. Even CFK sent her daughter abroad to get a good education.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you are suggesting has happened. Funding has been withdrawn from hostile governments. But let's not confuse government aid with charitable aid.
@179 I just realised you think I work for some charity. I don't. Government or charitable aid has nothing to do with my work.
“The idea of a good relationship in political terms must come from a trade and common interest. But the later will come only in realistic terms. You cannot buy a country if there is no political common ground or interest.”
Generally true. BUT - and it is a big BUT - governments will trade with countries that have no common idealogical ground if there is a good deal to be had. Politics and diplomacy is a big game of wits with high stakes. And what is said in public is rarely what happens behind closed doors.
(179) CabezaDura2
Feb 09th, 2014 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try to read again what ElaineB wrote at (178)
For once she's being sincere....
The “Aid Industry” is as a matter of fact an excellent business for the donor Countries.
The three state agencies of Scandinavia NORAD, SIDA and DANIDA have calculated that for every Crown they “Give” as “Aid”, about 1,20 Crowns return to their respective Countries in one or another form....
That's a 20% yield !
@180
Feb 09th, 2014 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU forgot to add that “good usa university” graduates ended up acting like Obama PoopyButts: see his comment on The New Yorker edition of 1/17/2014. He blames his race: BLACK for his low performance approval rate.
Eleven days later, 1/29/2014 Obama dares to speak to the usa citizens saying 2014 is the year of the action,,,continuing lying to the usa citizens to keep his job.
BTW, I just contacted Cuban R. Menedez advising him to select a positive approach when referring to “Argentina economic crisis”
I expect his response in one week.
Not really, You are obviously some sort of high ranking diplomat.
Feb 09th, 2014 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I meant about Venezuela is that they have conditioned their aid money with political alliance and even dependency like Nicaragua or Cuba. (Though they have gone bankrupt in the process is not the matter I’m trying to prove) they really have married politics and money together. Have they actually used HARD power in any of this I dont know??
“- governments will trade with countries that have no common idealogical ground if there is a good deal to be had. Politics and diplomacy is a big game of wits with high stakes. And what is said in public is rarely what happens behind closed doors.”
Like what really?? China has made huge gains in Africa with commerce and selling weapons to the Sudanese. They even get to send their own workers instead of employing locals in their investments. I can post documentaries of this but you say you don’t watch nor read links.
The way I see it is all the west has to offer is aid
“China has made huge gains in Africa with commerce and selling weapons to the Sudanese. They even get to send their own workers instead of employing locals in their investments.”
Feb 09th, 2014 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know this. It will in the long term work against them. But that is the long game.
You need to think of 'aid' in different terms.
Good discussion. I have to finish some work before bed.
As long as China is their markets they will abide by their rules. I think tendencies are tendencies
Feb 09th, 2014 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good night
183 Cabeza
Feb 09th, 2014 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ China has made huge gains in Africa with commerce and selling weapons to the Sudanese. They even get to send their own workers instead of employing locals in their investments.”
The Chinese tried that here in Canada too. They insisted on using their own “uniquely skilled” mine workers if they were to invest in a mine.
Fortunately, that is being shut down. It was an obvious arrangement made with a corporation and the Federal Gov't, but labour leaders and locals balked.
They saw it for what it was, a commodity grab, and no return to the local or Provincial economies.
This has already created resentment here, but I could see it working in a #rd world country whose government is happy to receive any investment or outside money.
Marcos Rubio and Robert Menendez are both CUBANS trying to get some attention,
Feb 10th, 2014 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0poor idiots...
Rubio “water glass sip scandal”
Menendez “free prostitute services scandal”
such stupidities stay in their “political” records forever....
“They saw it for what it was, a commodity grab, and no return to the local or Provincial economies.”
Feb 10th, 2014 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0well, canadian companies (ie barrick gold) are not too much better, are they?
“Canada, where Barrick is based, is home to 60 percent of the world’s mining corporations, which run operations across the globe. Despite being a leader in this industry, Canada has not taken the lead on mediating or taking responsibility for the behavior of their corporations abroad.
As a consequence of this negligence, Canada has drawn criticism from around the world, first by environmental, religious and human rights organizations, and now increasingly from international institutions, such as the United Nations. Even the Canadian government has started to recognize the harsh reality accompanying the presence of their mining industry abroad, which is characterized by environmental destruction, political corruption, community struggles, human rights abuses, and massive amounts of water consumption.”
188 Paul Cedron
Feb 10th, 2014 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ...characterized by environmental destruction, political corruption, community struggles, human rights abuses, and massive amounts of water consumption.”
Yes Paul, I don't like it any more than you, but its all under agreement with your Government in Argentina, sharing the profits.
Does Argentina take NO responsibility?
Does Argentina have no rules or environmental monitoring?
Does Argentina look the other way, as long as the $$$ keeps flowing?
Does Argentina not enforce its own laws?
Barrick is a private corporation, operating in a foreign country, in an agreement with a foreign government.
What can CANADA do?
Take some responsibility to act yourselves if they are not following your rules.
Poor attempt at “whataboutery” - Stevie is much better.
the problem in this case is exactly this:
Feb 10th, 2014 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Canada has not taken the lead on mediating or taking responsibility for the behavior of their corporations abroad.”
or this:
“Two Years On, Canadian Government Silent on Blackfire Case of Corruption and Murder in Chiapas, Mexico”
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/mining-survey-2011-2012.pdf
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/mining-survey-2011-2012.pdf
and what $ are you talking about?
the $ or bribes they give to the authorities or politicians in charge?
that does not count, im afraid.
$$$ = The Inspectors taking bribes,
Feb 10th, 2014 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0= Argentine Local Government Officials taking their “cut”
= politicians selling out and displacing inhabitants in exchange for money
= negotiators 'streamlining ' the way past legal hurdles for 'a sum'
= The Argentine President who is greedy for a “share” of profits.
Through their own avarice, they are all “facilitators”
They are the key. The Senators were talking about exactly this, Corruption, and the Profit motive.
So, yes, they DO count.
Don't blame others - nobody can get away with these crimes without the complicity of your own Government.
Take some responsibility for yourselves.
of course the complicity of the local and national governments is key.
Feb 10th, 2014 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0and of course the canadian government has a lot to do with the problem, when this behaviour is the norm between canadian mining companies in different countries.
take some responsibility for yourselves.
I am shocked at how brazen the criminals are getting in Argentina.
Feb 10th, 2014 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is getting really bad really fast
186The Chinese business and exports of their own migrants is a reality on the whole world, even the west or even here in Argentina opening up supermarkets at every corner.
Feb 10th, 2014 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While they have the factories of the world they will have the demand for the raw materials and resources of Africa. Africa is undergoing massive infrastructure projects from Chinese companies. The numbers are amazing.
The west cannot compete with any of this so they just throw more money in form of aid at them just as they have being doing so since the 1980s. Somehow they seem to think there will be a different result on the long term. While I think that matters on the ground and facts speak loudly for themselves. You cannot to always the same expecting different results.
As there is a natural common interest between Africa and China they will merge politically. China gets a benefit from its investments, the US, Britain, Germany, France, Japan, Canada don’t get any economical benefit out of it. So it comes back to the previous principle… You cannot just purchase a country’s political alliance if there is no common interest on the long term.
In Latam it’s going to be different for the Chinese because there are big economies here that compete with China like Brazil or Mexico. And there is more development. So yes the EU/US should focus their attention here and Asia/Pacific but be realistic about the fact they have already lost influence over Africa...
192 PaulCedron
Feb 10th, 2014 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“of course the complicity of the local and national governments is the key.”
Argentina has the ultimate power to stop them in their tracks if they feel they have violated an agreement or committed a crime.
Shut them down or Chuck them out,
No?
It's up to you.
Ask your government why not.
EU and US have lost influence everywhere.
Feb 10th, 2014 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's what happens when you decline and you no longer have money to give but have a combine 30+ trillion in bills to pay.
196 Snotty
Feb 10th, 2014 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Off-topic diversion.
Go away
I knew the comparison of Barrick Gold would come out after you wrote #186… The point of it originally was that the Chinese companies bring their own labor force from China. Barrick Gold employee’s locals
Feb 10th, 2014 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0198 CD
Feb 10th, 2014 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thank you, CD. That is the crux of the issue.
I think Paul has another axe to grind, although he is not totally off-topic.
I don't like to see the environment or people's rights trampled for the sake of extra profit.
Have you noticed CabezaDura 2 that in order to get along with these haters you have to agree with them 100% of things 100% of the time?
Feb 10th, 2014 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What kind of “friends” expect that from anyone?
They are our enemies. Friends accept others thinking different.
Nope… It’s just about having an independent criteria…And proving to be right. Facts and numbers and a comprehensive and clear argument is all you need
Feb 10th, 2014 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey it’s not every day I get a top dog nervous and make him/she run off. I admit that I got a kick out of it
You have to study much more you have to read much more and understand how the real world works before you have to pass judgment on it and take sides
If you have to know…. I already had differences of opinion with 90% of the users here. Troy here backstabbed me after I left in the most cowardly fashion. I can forgive but I dont forget
What matters is the language and intellectual honesty you put into it
I don't forgive, I don't forget, I don't give second, nor first chances.
Feb 10th, 2014 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To a foreigner.
Yes.... We all know you are a tough guy.
Feb 10th, 2014 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0200 A_neuTroll_Observer
Feb 10th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's not agreeing with us all the time you idiot!!! He just has his own opinions, that's all.... He is not the mouthpiece of a corrupt and morally bankrupt government.
As it is, because he is a sensible person, his own opinions happen to be sensible and well thought out..... Just as ours are.
You should try it sometime Tobi.... Hey, I tell you what, why don't you cross your legs and f*rt? that will clear you mind yeah??
If you think that “having the right idea” and “Being a YES man” are the same thing, then you know nothing...... nothing at all.
@50 NAUSEOUS NOISES
Feb 10th, 2014 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fortunately, objective facts demonstrate that latino perverts are short on education. Marks are on the level of 1/10 for spelling, education 0/10 on the basis that this twat has already been told the meaning of the term “sepoy” but can't remember it, -1/10 for intelligence. Could anybody, anybody at all, give a higher intelligence marking to an argie trying to talk about morals.
@123 Let's take a look at this uneducated drivel.
“Respecting” should be “Regarding”. It isn't possible to think “in” an issue. No such word as “unequalest”. “incoms” has an “e” in it. Then there's repetition and two activities that are impossible for an argie. “think” and “thought”.
And “respecting” again. “agrarain”? “metal mechanic”? A self-help robot? “absolut”? “payrases”?
THIS is supposed to be a “teacher”! In so many “professions”, the accepted language is ENGLISH. Not, apparently, in infant school. Research says that this dipstick is supposed to “teach” geography. We all know what that means!
@127 You're mistaken. On here you get comments that are well-researched. Apart from the rubbish from latams. Do tell us, from old news, which argie newspapers published ”In breaking news, our respected Foreign Minister, Hector (Stumblebum) Timerman, literally ran from the room when British Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, William Hague, offered him the opportunity to meet two Falkland Islanders. An aide later clarified that the Falkland Islanders, members of the Falkland Islands Government, would have been at the other end of a 30-foot table”.
@169 Are you British then? Are you paying the taxes that get sent abroad as aid? Happy about British taxes being sent to pay for Chinese military forces, Indian nuclear weapons, Nigerian space programme? If you are, you can send your money to me. Because I'm not! Haven't seen UKIP failing to keep any promises they could have kept yet. Have you?
#202
Feb 10th, 2014 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, at least we know you are well balanced mentally-you have a chip on both shoulders.
Go into academia and research for about 30 years and then write the great novel of the 21st century from your life experiences in Mendoza , or wherever you dwell.
At least Cabeza Dura's opinions are written in a reasoned manner. There is plenty to criticise in the UK's policies but he does not come up with the trite statements you make. The most hated nation on earth blah blah blah and variations thereof. When you stop thinking like an adolescent and gain some experience of life -doubtful -then maybe we could give you some respect.
205 Conqueror
Feb 10th, 2014 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking for myself, I have come to realize that, as Nigel Farage once said “There is no choice in British politics anymore”..... and he is right about that.
The weather that we have been having over the last 6 weeks have laid all of their bumbling stupidity bare for all to see and I for one am fed up of it.
I will not be giving my vote to any of the 3 big parties from now on ( I never really voted before anyway because I didn't like any of them and didn't want to give my vote to the BNP )
But what choice did you have? I don't see how anyone COULD vote for David Cameron. A man who stands for absolutely nothing at all........ A man who is always first at going second and a man with absolutely now imagination or vision what so ever.
Even if, as I suspect, UKIP make a complete mess of everything and their time in government turns out to be a 5 year long train wreak, it would be worth it just to shake up the other 3 parties and actually put some heart and fire into them.
I just feel as if they take the public and parliament for granted.
201 CD
Feb 10th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Troy here backstabbed me after I left in the most cowardly fashion.”
“Backstabbed”?
My recollection is that we were having a reasonable discussion and exchange of ideas about the Falklands when you called two of them “twats” for hating the Argentinians after being invaded, threatened and imprisoned by them.
That was unwarranted and I took great exception to it.
I really wish you had not said that and I regret it ended the way it did.
I can forgive too. I hurt your pride and I would like to forget it.
I respect that you think for yourself, and that you are not brainwashed to swallow the Peronist propaganda that Paul Cedron and Toby mindlessly, repeat.
Whether you care what I say or not, the sooner CFK and her cadre are removed, the better for regular Argentine people. Less opportunity for CFK to irrevocably screw things up before she goes.
205, 207
Feb 10th, 2014 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t be so harsh on she is a facilitator or an assessment maker, but clearly not a decision maker… All I will say is that I hope for you lot, that she mentioning living in the most posh neighborhoods of BsAs, she dates or has dinner with the richest men of Chile and she bragged about the services she gets of a LAN flight, etc has not being paid from your taxes. It’s really up to you to ask her far more pressing questions than would.
Ohh boy If I would come across a Argentine counterpart of hers I would have a field day.
The truth be said I learned from a Brit “old guard” type many years ago the importance of common sense, facts and reasoned thinking, how to have a good debate and how to make your points came across. If not I would probably be more like Toby or a Camporista fanatic. For that I am truly grateful.
I think just like the FN in France, Farage and UKIP are by far more down to earth and represent the thinking and common sense of a true Englishman in the middle of this mad, ridiculous and fanatic, unrealistic PC mentality that’s going to destroy you and Europe.
202 A_neuTroll_Observer
Feb 10th, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would invite you to take a look at these two posters:-
201 CabezaDura2 and 208 Troy Tempest.
Now, THAT is how you settle your differences. Like grown ups. You would do well to take notes and heed the lesson's that these two have laid out for you.
See, The spirit of reconciliation and forgiveness does live on. IT should give you hope when two people of different cultures and backgrounds can come together and share ideas and opinions in this way.
Let's see if you hate a little less shall we?
Nostrils says:
Feb 11th, 2014 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I don't forgive, I don't forget”
Wow. You forget more than anyone one here.
As CabezaDura2 will see eventually, when you are proven wrong; you just disappear. Then you pop up again extolling your prowess in arguing and proven others wrong.... which never happened.
“I don't give second, nor first chances”
Well there's a definition of intolerance. I am so glad that not every Argentinean is as narrow-minded as you.
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