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Falklands: three crewmembers from a Taiwanese jigger have gone missing
Three crewmen from a Taiwanese jigger operating in Falkland Islands who were reported missing over the weekend have not been located. The first news of the incident was received in the early hours of Saturday February 15, when the Department of Fisheries Operations Sections notified the Royal Falkland Islands Police (RFIP). Read full article
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Feb 18th, 2014 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all efforts must be found to find them.
...................................................... to be deported.
Feb 18th, 2014 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe they landed on the “Malvinas”.
Feb 18th, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An imaginary set of Argentine islands in the South Atlantic.
They are islands that Argentina inherited from Spain.
They are islands that supported an Argentine population in the 1820-30s
They are islands that Britain usurped in 1833.
These clearly ARE NOT the Falklands, but apparently exist in the minds of retards like “Think”.
Perhaps the Taiwanese are there....
Think that some Kelpers have the chutzpah to call us Argies hypocrites...
Feb 18th, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The money from them slave ships is welcomein them Islands...
The slaves from them slave ships not so...
A case for the Ombudsman, perhaps...
Think- Yes and No. Yes it would appear that many Taiwanese specialise in crew brutality and although there is nothing the islands-or any other country can do about what happens OUTSIDE your territorial limits - I would support a ban on such vessels being offered Licences.
Feb 18th, 2014 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are more S.Korean and Japanese jiggers that could replace Taiwanese vessels suspected of maltreatment.
The slaves as you call them - ARE welcome in the Islands - the sensible ones swim ashore when anchored in Stanley Harbour - not out in open sea! And these folks are treated humanley and get medical treatment or whatever - their complaints if any - investigated by the Police - and repatriated back to their country of origen if they do not wish to rejoin the ship.
Seems fair..
Feb 18th, 2014 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(5) Islander1
Feb 18th, 2014 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spare me the hypocrisy......
Firstly, you directly invite the worst of the Slave ships because they pay the higher prices for the licenses....
Remind me.... How much of your BNP is paid with the life of those Slaves...? Was it 60 or 70%?
Remind me..... How many of the eight honourable members of your legislative assembly are Sqidionaires....? Was it three or four?
Secondly, those Slave ships are NOT fishing on High Seas...
They are fishing in YOUR self-declared EEZ...
They are fishing in waters patroled by the bloody English Navy...
They are fishin with licenses YOU sold them...
Thirdly, you say, so nicely, that they are “Repatriated back to their country of origen if they do not wish to rejoin the ship.”
Well..... That'a awfully generous of you...
You send them back to the Slave ships OR you deport them into the arms of the very same people that sold them to the ships in the first place...
Hypocrisy anyone?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25814718
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25814718
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25814718
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25814718
Think - I'm just curious... what does Argentina do with illegal immigrants?
Feb 18th, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you think its unfair to send them back to their native country, perhaps, Argentina will offer them santuary. Sound ok to you?
Think: WRONG
Feb 19th, 2014 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 01.They fish in our EEZ but when outside the 12 mile limit they are in open waters - the EEZ nation can board and check re fishing licence rules etc - but has no sovereign right to board for any other reason so long as the vessel in outside the 12 mile limit. That is Int maritime Law. You will have the same your side.
2 Yes if fisheries officers suspect maltreatment they of course report it - and a case may be built up - whch can later lead-and it HAS happened at times - on that Captain been ordered out of the EEZ and barred from coming back again.
3 What does Arg do with illegal Immigrants?
4 These seamen, after quiet detailed questioning etc, are asked if they wish to return to the ship - they are NOT compelled to at all - some do and some don't.
Those that do not are repatriated to their home address in theur home country - what they do after is up to them.
5 IF abuse is found to have occurred within our territorial limits - then Court Case happens.
6 The RN does not patrol the EEZ - that is done by our Fisheries Patrol vessels and aircraft. The RN make occasional patrols of the EEZ to ensure a certain nation,s naval vessels do not enter it to cause hassle to registered fishing vessels etc it has no power as such to stop a fishing vessel- its not the RN,s job.
7Squiddionnaies - cannot think of any - Am aware that one is a retired fishing Co director and that company she helped build up by investing and not taking the profits as salaries. She is comfortably off but not with a million or more annual income! A millionaire has that sort of annual personal income surely - millions in many nations these days probably own assets of a million - farmers, house owners etc!
Hell my business turns over a million a year - lucky if 2% of it accrues to me personally - and that is before the taxman takes his cut off me!
You do have some funny ideas at times.
Govt income - from the Ilex Fisheries - about 35% of a good year. Sometimes well below 10%.
@ Islander and Rick
Feb 19th, 2014 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From reading Argentine comments on Mercopress for close to five years now, I have noticed that Argentines hold Britain and the Falklands to very high international standards and scream hycrocrites. But when it comes to the behaviour of Argentina....well now that's a different story. There is always a rationale that excuses their disgraceful behaviour towards the Falklands and the world.
@10
Feb 19th, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Heh I never really thought about that before, they do seem to hold us to a higher standard than they hold themselves. Take it as a compliment I suppose. Argentina's role on the world stage is as the Falklands/UK's own Jiminy Cricket.
While the Lunatic of Chew Butt’s role in the world is to lie and obfuscate over some poor devils that appear to have been murdered by their own people.
Feb 19th, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds a bit like The Dark Country, but afloat.
(9) Islander1
Feb 19th, 2014 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say…:
”They fish in our EEZ but when outside the 12 mile limit they are in open waters - the EEZ nation can board and check re fishing licence rules etc - but has no sovereign right to board for any other reason so long as the vessel in outside the 12 mile limit. That is Int maritime Law. ”
I say…:
Have a good look at the picture on top of this article…. Are them Slave Ships 12 miles away from Celia’s B&B ?
You say…:
“What does Arg. do with illegal Immigrants?”
I say…:
You Kelpers should learn the “little difference” between bloody ”Illegal Immigrants” and bloody ”Escaping Slaves”…
The ones jumping out of them ships are, by all means, ”Escaping Slaves”…
What does Arg. do with the slaves that escape them ships on our shores, you do ask.....
Well....….I can tell you that most of them get an Argie residence permit.
You say…:
”Squiddionnaies - cannot think of any - Am aware that one is a retired fishing Co director and that company she helped build…..”
I say…:
Are you talking about Jan…...? C’mon lad…... She’s loaded...!
What about Mike’s Pioneer Seafoods Ltd and Quark Fishing…?
Not to forget Ombudsman Dick’s good old Seawiew Co.….
You say…:
Govt income - from the Ilex Fisheries - about 35% of a good year. Sometimes well below 10%.
I say…:
Ooooops…..- Somebody just ”forgot” the Loligo and a couple of others Fisheries in his calculations…
Think- Wronh again - How do you know the flag of the vessels in the Pic? we get Japanese-South Korean and sometimes even Chinese Jiggers in - NOt just Taiwanese.And over the Taiwanese I have already agreed with you.
Feb 19th, 2014 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Loligo is NOT fished for by the Taiwanese as far as I know - mostly done by Trawlers I think. Nor do the Taiwanese trawl for anything else either. So I stand by my figures.
So far as we know those who jump ship do not ask to stay here anyway! If they could show they would likley be persecuted in their home country then ideeb they would be permitted to stay here. So you are wrong again on that front.
Jan may well have made some cash out of her old Company - got a problem with a good business mind? - their main partners were AND are Spanish - very little ever had anything to do with Taiwanese - so you are wrong again on that front.
Mike I doubt has much to do with those companies now.
And Dick is no longer an MLA anyway - so you are a bit off target there as well - and he sold his Company Shares a couple of years or so ago!
How is the policy shaping up that was to prevent cruise Vessels calling at Port Stanley last year and this?
Just had another 2 large ones in today - including one that did indeed drop us last summer - but is back again and likely to be for the future. Lots of tourists on then this last month or so from Argentina as hols with you.
Nice lot they are as well- they come here mostly with an open mind, wanting to learn and listen! Guess what - the majority indeed end up saying that we do have a right to determine our own future and your Govt is totally stupid and wrong in its nasty attitude towards us.
#13
Feb 19th, 2014 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am curious as to why you keep using “ them ” instead of “those” in your postings ? eg. “ them ships” , “them slave ships”
Your command of English seems to be good, so, is it just an affectation to give an unjustified avuncular slant to your posts ?..... or are you trying to morph into Robert Newton's portrayal of Long John Silver. That would be amusing as HE was a pirate.. something you accuse the Islanders of being.
What does Arg. do with the slaves that escape them ships on our shores, you do ask.....
Well....….I can tell you that most of them get an Argie residence permit.
So, what do you do with the “slaves” that are not given an Argentine residence permit and why are they not granted the same ?.
(14) Islander1
Feb 19th, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say…:
”If they could show they would likely be persecuted in their home country then indeed they would be permitted to stay here.”
I say…:
And how do you freaking expect them Slaves to show your ”friendly” police that they have been sold as Slaves?
Do they need to show a receipt?
Or maybe a ”Good Slave Certificate” from the Fishing Company?
You say…:
”Mike I doubt has much to do with those companies now.”
FIG(leaf) says…:
”Mike is the owner and Managing Director of Pioneer Seafood’s Ltd and co-owner and Director of Quark Fishing Ltd.”
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/self-governance/legislative/assembly-members/
You say…:
And Dick is no longer an MLA anyway - so you are a bit off target there as well - and he sold his Company Shares a couple of years or so ago!
I say…:
Jupppp…. He’s taking a sabbatical… And yes, he sold his company some years ago….. For a nice amount of Squidions…
@11
Feb 19th, 2014 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The logic's quite simple once you get the hang of it. British behaviour in the 19th century is to be judged by the standards of the 21st century, whereas Argentine behaviour in the 21st century is to be judged by the standards of the 19th.
@16
This is another fine example of the Argentine mindset - the belief that anglophobia alone is sufficient to support the most ridiculous hyperbole.
#16
Feb 19th, 2014 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SEE #15
Think- In the Phillipines these guys go themselves of their own free will to an agency to sign onto jiggers of various nationalities - they are not forced into it. If you say they are - then come up with some evidence.
Feb 19th, 2014 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are thus NOT slaves. They do get -as you know I agree - badly treated by some Captains and Bosuns - for this reason our Police do NOT force them to rejoin the ship - they are interviewed with an interpreter and the facts ascertained - as are the Captain etc if abuse is suspected.
So Mike still has those companies - well so long as publically declared - what is your problem? His choice.
Dick Sawles partners were Spanish - got a problem with that? he had a success of it and made some money - good for him- what is your problem with that?
The Falklands Economic Success - was - and IS - built on pioneering entrepreneurs who took and take risks.
What is Argentina built on?
(19) Islander1
Feb 20th, 2014 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Think- In the Phillipines these guys go themselves of their own free will to an agency to sign onto jiggers of various nationalities - they are not forced into it. If you say they are - then come up with some evidence.”
I say...:
As we say here...: ¿Vos sós o te hacés?
“Come up with some evidence” you say?
What about opening any of the four links in my original post no.(7)?
What about googleing “Slave Ships Fishing”?
What about opening your eyes?
Brainwash anyone?
Think
Feb 20th, 2014 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can't believe you haven't taken the opportunity to weave Marine Addis into this story.
(21) Joe Bloggs
Feb 20th, 2014 - 05:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well...
You just did....
Something nagging you?
“ He had it comin' ”, wasn't it?
@20
Feb 20th, 2014 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those links represent no more than a feeble attempt to establish guilt by association.
That's not the same as evidence. Evidence for your contention would be authenticated presence of a slave ship in Falklands waters, and evidence that the villainous islanders were aware of the presence of the said vessel, and chose to ignore that evidence.
“Evidence” in this respect, might be documentary evidence, or the testimony of credible witnesses, directly related to the contention.
Newspaper reports of cases involving Thai vessels and/or South Africa are no more evidence of wrongdoing by Falkland Islanders than are newspaper reports of flying saucer abductions in the United States.
Think- evidence is evidence- not stories printed in some newspapers of themselves less than verifiable sources.
Feb 20th, 2014 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 024 Islander1
Feb 20th, 2014 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say…:
“Think- evidence is evidence- not stories printed in some newspapers of themselves less than verifiable sources.”
I say…:
Evidence is there for anyone willing to see it…
Here a recent storyfrom them Anglo Southern Islands you have so much in common with…:
https://www.labour.org.nz/media/fishing-slavery-laws-should-be-passed-urgently
https://www.labour.org.nz/media/fishing-slavery-laws-should-be-passed-urgently
Evidence is there.... at your doorsteps.... embodied by them slaves escaping and being recaptured and returned to slavery by you….
I remember the “little episode” with those poor vietnamese last year....
I remember that even that English prince in his SAC helicopter participated in the Fox Hunt…
What was the official Kelper explanation???
Ahhh yes….. them Vietnamese jumped into the icy waters and swam ashore…. just to..... ring home from a Pay Phone…
Hypocrisy anyone
THINK
Feb 20th, 2014 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What does Arg. do with the slaves that escape them ships on our shores, you do ask.....
Well....….I can tell you that most of them get an Argie residence permit.
So, what do you do with the “slaves” that are not given an Argentine residence permit and why are they not granted the same ?.
Third time of asking. Do you have an explanation ?
(26) Clyde15
Feb 20th, 2014 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No. Mr. Clyde15, I do not have an “explanation”.....
Contrary to many others in here, I don't know everything....
But I know from the local press and from my own experience that many of those poor souls stay here in Patagonia....
I'm sure though that there are others that aren't so lucky....
As I said above.... I don't know everything, but I know what hypocrisy is and the answers I have got from Mr. Islander1 are a perfect example of it.
#27
Feb 20th, 2014 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your honest reply.
Think - Nobody here has any reason to doubt what we were told last year about those Vietnamese- our Police have NO reason to tell lies - I do agree though it was a strange story the Vietnamese told!
Feb 20th, 2014 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But again - they had a choice - go back to the ship - or be returned to their homes in Vietnam.
Oh and no Fox Hunt ever took place- yes Prince William was on duty and was pilot - of the SEARCH for them for humanitarian reasons - others- just local folks - took part on shore in a beachline and neighbouring areas search.
Unlike in Argentina we don't just round up folks and throw them out of the back of aircraft - our military work to SAVE lives wherever they can.
Now tell me - do Taiwanese vessels receive licences to fish in Argentina,s EEZ?
@29
Feb 21st, 2014 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0But something is alleged to have happened in New Zealand, and therefore the Falklanders must be guilty of something.
Of course logical coherence has never been a major consideration in the Malvinaverse, but this is quite exceptional.
29 Islander1
Feb 21st, 2014 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course Taiwanese vessels receive licenses to fish in Argentina's EEZ. That's not what Think's talking about. He talking about hypocrisy.
Chuckle chuckle.
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