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The new Falklands war: fought over the waves
By Robert Taylor (*) - It’s 32 years since Argentina’s brief occupation of the Falklands ended in humiliation. But, if anything, her desire to swallow up the Islands is stronger than ever. Oil is a big factor, of course, but even more fundamental is the passionate (if unjustifiable) belief that the British stole the Falklands in 1833 in an act of old-fashioned colonialism – a perceived wrong that successive Argentine governments seem determined to right. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesLets have a wager on the amount of comments this piece will generate .
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I reckon 275 .
Bet you are right! Wait for all them to come on here squealing eviction in 1833 even though their own archives confirm it never happened other than to the military and bloodlines of those original settlers still flow in the Islands.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting article Robert; as thought provoking as I found your training. I think you have it spot on but I also think times are very different from the late 70s when we were, I strongly believe, about to be sold out.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0In future years, due to oil revenues, the islanders should be able to pay for their defence, which in any case is only a tiny proportion of the entire UK defence budget.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0271 comments to go.
I'd still like to know where the war reparations are. I've heard it suggested that the argies tried to sneak back on to the Islands on the pretext of clearing the minefields. Glad that didn't work! And there's still the outstanding matter of the argie corpses that need to be dug up and shipped back to where they came from. Can't have argies constantly trying to get on to the Islands on that pretext either. Don't bother with the trick about wanting to “identify” the bodies. What is it going to be possible to identify after 30 years. All that will be possible is DNA sampling. And that can be done by anyone competent. Don't need an argie “team” poking around. I doubt that the Islanders will ever forget, but no-one should forget that 3 Falkland Islanders and 255 British servicemen lost their lives. Politicians are rarely concerned about the body count, but the people should be. So, while the Islands are quite rightly trying to get their message across to the world, don't forget Britain. The British people need to be kept up to date. Argieland, having invaded and occupied, LOST a war. Any half-way normal, intelligent, mature country would give up after that. You don't see Germany, Italy and Japan trying to recapture their “days of glory”. But argieland is neither normal, intelligent or mature. And so the dangers must always be kept forward in British minds. Is there any reason why we shouldn't seek vengeance like anyone else would?
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Bongo
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, it won't be long before the Islanders will opt for full independence whilst maintaining membership of the Commonwealth and friendly ties with the UK.
And then what will Argentine do then? Oh that's right, cry, crawl, beg and lie, as usual, with the usual non-effect.
I do disagree with some of what Robert has said. The British lost lives ensuring the freedom of the Falkland Islanders. Any government that would so callously disregard their sacrifice, and the Falkland Islanders rights, wouldn't be in government for very long.
And when the oil revenue starts pouring in, and some of the migrant workers start applying for permanent residence, and the Falklands population experiences a growth explosion; they would certainly be harder f0r any government to ignore.
268 comments to go. ;D
Keep going Falklands, the UK is always ready to support you.
The great Robert Taylor has spoken.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0The world sits up and takes notice of his balanced mercopress column.
Obama and Putin making live responses now.
In an amazing co-incidence this great figurehead has the same political opinions as the people his company is paid by. What are the odds.
Vestige- It,s called Factual Logical Commonsense.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not Fantsy!
Once a small and isolated economy such as the Falklands would have been considered unviable. However with the Internet, affordable international air travel and with global manufacturing and logistics chains, there is no barrier to small communities prospering.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is the reality of 2014. And some people can't get their mind around how much the world has changed in the past 40 years. The trend to larger and larger nation-states that characterised the last 150 years is starting to reverse. Small nation-states economically integrated with others is the future.
Ah this should be fun.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe if RGs would sort their country out so it doesn't circle the drain once a decade and generally stop being a bunch of weak bipolar nancies with delusions of their own self-importance, then the islanders would see the benefit of closer ties with Argentina.
Because let's face it, Argentina's fantasy of annexing the islands without regard to the wishes of the population died in 1982.
TWIMC...
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comunication Consultant, Mr. Robert Taylor says...:
”The danger is that the pressure will pay off. As memories of the 1982 conflict fade, a future British government might decide that the Falklands are simply not worth the amount of cash needed to defend them, and that relations with Latin American countries demand a more “pragmatic approach”. Indeed, this was British policy in the years leading up to 1982, and it’s a scenario that could return to haunt the Islanders.
I say...:
The pressure will pay off... As memories of the 1982 conflict fade, a future British government will realize that the Malvinas/Falklands are simply not worth the amount of cash needed to defend them, and that relations with Latin American Countries demand a more “Pragmatic Approach”.... Indeed, this was British policy in the years leading up to 1982, and it’s a scenario that will return to haunt the Islanders.
The only difference i can spot between his and my opinions is that he got paid a lot of dole for his by them Squatting Kelpers....
Mine are free of charge....
Hi !! Im Robert Taylor, you may remember me from such media as mercopress, the home shopping channel and radio Mongolia.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think? And who are you, just a rather deadbrained paid Argentinian troll, out of touch and out of ideas. Your views aren't worth diddly squat. You make the mistake that other bullies have constantly made in the past, you underestimate the British spirit. And, with the oil and gas discoveries owned by the Falklands gives a new compelling reason for the UK to support the islanders. Your country is on its uppers, that is the problem for your government to address, not attempting to usurp British sovereignty and colonise a small country over which you have no claim. Fail once again!
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corrigendum for my post No. (11)
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Should read...:
”The only difference i can spot between his and my opinions is that he got paid a lot of dough for his by them Squatting Kelpers....
Ah the old money argument. The cost of defending the islands is so small its beyond insignificant and the Falkland's will shortly be paying to cover the costs so lets consider that point moot.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd hope some of these South American countries move into modern times the vast majority of the world lives in where colonialism isn't acceptable or at least we can hope.
Once Argentina has suffered another economic collapse (within the year) we could hope there will be a period where the incoming government and people take the time to reflect on why they keep failing on all levels from having a stable country to a working method of economics or even productive relations with their South American neighbours and other countries around the world.
I guess we can live in hope eh.......
@15 xect
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have to understand, to a country like Argentina, the amount that the UK spends on defending the Islands is absolutely huge. And they cannot understand why the UK Government would spend this huge amount instead of pocketing it for themselves.
Of course to the people of the UK the amount spent on the defence of the Falklands is pocket change. Even if our politicians were as corrupt as those in Argentina, they probably would think it not worth the effort to steal.
Argentina can never move forwards until they stop being complacent about corruption and put a stop to it. Successive corrupt Argentine governments have used the 'Malvinas Myth' to distract the population with nationalistic fervour, whilst they feather their own nests.
So if you have an honest government, they won't need to use a 'shiny' object to distract the people with.
I foresee Argentina breaking up as a country. Perhaps sooner than we think. Eventually the people from the more prosperous provinces are going to get wise, and wonder why they're paying to support a bunch of freeloaders.
Time will tell though, I suppose.
Think @ 14
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to have an obsession about squatting. Suggest a consultation with a colorectal surgeon.
Or perhaps when you visited the Falklands no one would give you hospitality and you had to take up residence in the latrine at the race course for a squat?
Nice pic you posted of your accommodation and the state you left it in. But probably no more than you are accustomed to in Chubut?
Getting back from my first visit to Chile, its very clear that the UK has a firm friend local to the Falkland Islands. 6 LAN flights without a single hitch. The bad bit was the Ryanair of Spain, Iberia, a basket case airline.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile, a great well run country where everything works. Chile has a clear purpose and a great sense of anticipation for a wealthy and stable future. What a shining example to their basket case neighbours! Why is Argentina such a mess when it has all those resources?
Part of the answer is undoubtably in Chilean genes, less latins, more hard working Brits, Indiginous Indians, and Slavs etc with a great work ethic and sense of purpose. I loved it, a beautiful land.
I am not one who believes statistics reagrding the cost of defending the islands.......the aeroplanes are already bought and need to be obtained, the troops are already trained and have to be paid and the navy sail around the g;obe anyway...so that is the same.....but if it cost ten times more I would be happy to pay it ....just to annoy argentina!
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there is still moaning that we took it by conquest.....how did the spanish persuade the indians to hand over the land which is now argentina?
If they want the islands then just get all of there gaucho south american chums and retake them after all britain is a declining power and would not be able to defend the islands......and if you think that then you speak spanish and eat beans whilst flatulating the day away........I still wish we had nuked buenos aires on april 3rd 1982...that would have sent a message!
18 CaptainSilver.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Part of the answer is undoubtably in Chilean genes, less latins, more hard working Brits.”
So are you saying that Latins are less hard working than Brits on a genetic level ??
3000 islanders vs 41 million rg hardly fair odds
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0maybe 2990 islanders can sit it out make it a bit fairer
@20
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latins do not work hard, i know I lived there for two and a half years, lazy gits.
How can you explain the economies of Spain and Italy then, not to mention the Latam countries.
Vestige @ 7
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The great Robert Taylor has spoken.
The world sits up and takes notice of his balanced mercopress column.
Obama and Putin making live responses now. ”
Do you mean in the same way Obama and Putin do every time CFK says something? Because of course, when she or one of her stooges say jump, the rest of the world ask how high don't they... Silly me, no one takes the blindest bit of notice other than those corrupt politicians who imagine they'd benefit of were Argentina was to be successful for once.
Think - Can you explain to me how the islanders are any more squatting than those currently residing in Argentina? The only difference I can see is that islanders didn't butcher an indigenous population.
Does rank hypocrisy come easy to you or do you have to work real hard at it?
Oh and I see you're still at it with your “you say, I say” crap. What a repetitive bore you are.
@20
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My country has a large minority of people who migrated from southern Europe, mostly from Greece and Italy, after World War 2. Many of these migrants worked on the Snowy River Hydro Electric scheme - a huge undertaking that was nonetheless completed on time. It also cost the lives of over 100 men.
I have never once in my life heard their work ethic described as suffering by comparison with any other ethnic group. And they have done wonders for our national cuisine.
Think- some more facts to counter the fantasy- Substantial UK Defence Capital Investment now underway in Falklands replacing/renovating infrastructure now nearly 30yrs old so it will do for another 30 yrs plus at least.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So there is UK long term thinking for you.
Additonally, some accommodation for increased numbers of army posting to the Islands for a few weeks to make use of the world class training and live firing exercise area they have here, as the Br Army withdraws from Afghanistan.
Not a reinforcement- just for a week or two on exercise.
methinks UK committed Long Term to the Islands - noticeable shift in UK long term view post referendum results last year.
Plus as others have said - within IOyrs time it is likely that Falklands will be footing the bill for defence anyway.
So little chance for Argentina from the cost angle.
@ 20
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And they have done wonders for our national cuisine.”
So do you have them roast, boiled or fried?
23 - oh absolutely, Robert (hang on ...checking) Taylor holds as much international influence in the world as the president of one of South America's largest countries.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I 'Think' its a fact that Northern Europeans are generally more hard working and seem more able to innovate and run their affairs considerably better than the Latin countries of Europe. The largely Spanish and Italian heritage of Argentina puts it at a severe disadvantage. Its a country that has loads of resources, but just like basket case Tanzania it struggles from crisis to crisis. This results in it lashing out at other countries who could help it like a sullen sulking child. It also acts like a spiteful bully at every opportunity. It needs a good spanking. Pity we didn't spank it harder in 1982.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 025
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Plus as others have said - within IOyrs time it is likely that Falklands will be footing the bill for defence anyway.”
Good UK contingency plan...perhaps they will be paid in Oil...
Seeing how they may lose their own Oil to Scotland....
Maybe the UK will decide that seeing as the Falklands are not independent and being a UK (British) territory they should control the revenue from UK British territory...as they have with the rest of UK (British) territory...
What the UK says and does can sometimes change on a whim......
All you have is promises and promises are made to be......
28
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol.
Ok Philip. Genetics and cultural heritage it is.
WW1 and WW2 backs up your theory, northern Europeans know how to handle their affairs.
(are we counting Poland, Ukraine, Russia in this ... or are they not northern European cause ... well.. just because)
(24) Heisenbergcontext
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems that our haughty & ignorant Anglo turnips ”Think” that them walypala wog gin jockeying ockers ain’t no good, eh?
@26 ChrisR
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If your asking for a recipe on how to cook an Italian or Greek-Australian I'm afraid I can't help you.
#30 I'm referring to here and now. Europeans live in the present, not the past. The UK is a totally different place than it was 50 years ago, a fact that doesn't seem to have penetrated closed minds in the dark country, particularly Chubut.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chubut.... Somebody mentioned Chubut?
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK is a totally different place than it was 50 years ago”, some Turnip says...
50 years ago huhhhhh?
That would be around 1964…
Crossroads…
Harold Wilson…
Radio Caroline…
Mods & Rockers…
A Hard Day’s Night…
The Great Train Robbery...
Yuppp.... ”The UK was indeed a much better place 50 years ago...
The end of colonialism in sight, was the thing I was Thinking of.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mr taylor?
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and who is this guy? lol
“Oil is a big factor, of course,...”
what oil?
those 2 barrels of low quality oil in the middle of the sea cannot be of any interest for a country that has one of the biggest shale oil fields in the world.
mr taylor: disapproved
...and their remnants.....what do they call colonies nowadays.....of yes...BOTS....
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Turnip at (35)
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhhhh.... “The end of Anglo colonialism in sight, was the thing you was ”Thinking“ off”.....
All those decolonized ”Z’s”…
Zambia...
ZanZibar...
Zimbabwe...
Zuid Afrika...
TanZania...
SwaZiland...
BeliZe...
Regretfully, you forgot to take home some Anglo Zquatters in the MalvinaZ/FalklandZ...
38 Think
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Regretfully, you forgot to take home some Anglo Zquatters in the MalvinaZ/FalklandZ...”
Not forgetting of course, those pesky European “Zquatters” as you call them, in Argentina as well........Right Think-me-not????
Chuckle, chuckle
@ 31, 17 ,38
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Herr Think
Seems your squatting problem just got worse as you now spell it with a z instead of an s
Do you have a liquidity problem?
Clever answer to Hiesenberg. MIght I suggest to stick a Wombat (military version preferably) up your Kookaburra ( aka Laughing Jackass but sometimes abbreviated to jacksie)
Sovereign remedy but a bit of a final solution methinks
Much better to put up with your affliction and return to The Dreamtime in the mythical Malvinas
Keep scraping the bottom of the barrel you Malvinista deadbeats. Nobody could argue that Taylor's article is off the mark. Some of you agree with his article because you like the idea that Argy Bargy will eventually win. Some of you don't like his article so you try to discredit him as a C Grade Journo.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Journo or no journo what he says is spot on. The Argies will continue to try to convince the world that the islands are theirs and the UK will continue to defend the islanders' right to self determination and that UK defence may reduce.
I think the UK defence will reduce but in line with our ability to look after ourselves financially and in line with future generations being able to restore a working relationship with a more mature and stable Argentine government.
TWIMC
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(and the Turnip at (39))
By invading and colonizing insular Argentina in 1833, killing and ethnically cleansning tens of thousands of Argentineans and taking hundreds of newborn Argies out of their incubators living them to die on the cold floor, England broke their own “Rule Number One”…:
You don’t colonize a Country with a Flag !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k
And Argentina had a Flag !!!
Ask that chap Onslow, I you don’t believe me…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k
News sources on FI and SGSSI:
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FITV news spots:
https://www.youtube.com/user/FITVfalklandislands?feature=watch
South Georgia News:
https://www.youtube.com/user/FITVfalklandislands?feature=watch
Argentina, should be made to crawl past all the relatives of the dead, and be made to apologise to them for the violence that they cause , all in the name of greed corruption , and arrogance,
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they should pay compensation to all the relatives, and be made to pay the British government for the damages done to its facilities , and equipment,
then Argentina should be made to beg forgiveness from its own people , for whom it sent to their deaths for no other reason than their own greed.
just a compensational thought.
Incubators? In 1833? Chapter and verse please Thick on that statement please
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our only regret is I 'Think' Malbec is now on the prohibited list along with Argentinas Beef - shame!
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still, Chile fills the void more than adequately. Friends forever!
Jupppppp....
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hundreds of incubators runing on surplus steam from the Argentinean industrial revolution cotton mills in Malvinas....
@47
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's plenty of surplus steam comes out of Argentina, but less in the way of mechanical energy.
46
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0captain
how could you compare argentinian beef or wines with the chilean?
it is almost an insult to bon goût
49 Agreed after visiting Santiago's Bocanariz, who could disagree. The best wine cellar and beef on the continent!
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's beef industry is only a shadow of its former self and Chilean wines are as good as any in the world.
BTW Paul, what money does the UK Government pay the Falkland Islands? Don't be a coward all your life. Admit you were wrong.
Argentina, look at Kiev and learn! People power in action.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You guys CAN join the civilised world, you CAN defeat the dictators, you CAN be free, you CAN be wealthy like Americans and Europeans. Go the the Plazo de Mayo and make your voices heard.
KFC must be shitting herself with fright. Another rottern regime bites the dust!
42 Think
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“out of their incubators living them to die on the cold floor”
Living them to die???? Now you are getting too Salvador dali on me
51 Joe Bloggs
Evening Joe!!! Thought I'd give you guys a big shout down there in the SA.
Remember, don't laugh at the Trolls!!! you'll only work them into an anger that will test their English language skills to the limit!!!!
What am I saying??? you go right ahead!!! Enjoy your weekend.
Last I heard ( and correct me if I'm wrong ) but the UK Government does not pay ANY money to the Falkland Islands. You guys are doing very nicely down there thankyouohsoverymuch.
And, before the Trolls start screaming “Yeah...but!!!” the defense of the Falklands is taken out of the defense budget so still no hand outs from Westminster ( You guys never needed them anyway ).
50
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cleary you need to taste this wine
http://www.trapichemalbec.com.ar/terroirseries/eng/reconocimientos-2010-finca-ambrosia.html
and this beef
http://www.trapichemalbec.com.ar/terroirseries/eng/reconocimientos-2010-finca-ambrosia.html
and you will change your opinion.
bocanariz?
no kidding
53
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0G'day Too Old, how goes it? Lovely to hear from you as always. I do try not to laugh at the Trolls but they are funny little buggers so it is hard.
You are correct and Paul has obviously found that out by now also otherwise we'd be hearing all about it. Also let's not forget the “YOU SAY, I SAY” BS we'd be hearing from Punch and Judy from the comfort of his UK home.
We've had a bit of your rain of late my mate. It's doing wonders for my lawn though I have to say. I decided this summer to do something about the weeds and the moss and the results are really starting to show now. Mind you, Mrs Bloggs wasn't too happy about the amount of chemicals I've been putting on the lawn and that's only the stuff she knows about. She'd kill me if she knew the full extent of it. The garden centre has done well out of me of late.
I've also been busy building paths and retaining walls in the garden. More concreting to do tomorrow although I think the forecast is for rain so maybe not.
It was the annual horticultural show this weekend so the whole family was busy on Friday night baking all sorts of delights to exhibit. Three firsts and a second out of four entries today so that was pretty good. We must make a bigger effort next year though.
Anyway Too Old, that's just a little taste of life in the Bloggs household. I hope you're having a nice weekend and that the rain has backed off a little.
Thanks as always for your support.
joe
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“David Cameron is fond of citing individual cases of families in the UK whose benefits cost the British taxpayer over £30,000 per year. But each and every family in the Falkland Islands costs the British taxpayer ten times that – something which Cameron does not detail.”
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/03/the-falklanders-have-the-right-to-be-stupid/
Las Malvinas or the Falkland Islands? The Ugly Face of British Imperialism and Its Startling Cost -
See more at:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/03/the-falklanders-have-the-right-to-be-stupid/
Paul
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So I take it you never did find evidence that the UK gives us money. Never mind; you win some you lose some.
I must say I'd never taken any notice of you or read your posts before I noticed your remarks about the money we receive. I thought it was written by one of the deadbeats whose posts I read but then I noticed it was by you. Would you mind telling me a bit about yourself. I don't know who you claim to be. Are you an Argy? Do you live in Argentina? Do you support TMBOA? What's your interest in the Falklands?
If you don't mind, that is.
joe
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0question # 1: yes
#2: yes
#3:(tmboa is kirchner?) no, au contraire (tmboa is kirchner?)
#4: none
55 Joe Bloggs
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure Mrs. Bloggs is happy about your home improvements.
Obviously you Islanders are confident it is not a waste to invest time and effort in your home, contrary to what the Paul Troll would have us believe.
:-)
Did you notice that Pee Cee-ment stated at the beginning of his appearance here that he was not supportive of CFK's government, to reinforce his acceptance and credibility ?
However, he repeats the anti-Fslklands and anti-British propaganda, directly in line with that very same government,
He is either a LYING STOOGE, or a dim-witted DUPE, or both.
BTW, Argentinian Malbec was very popula here a couple of years ago, mostly because of its price point - very low.
It has fallen out of favour now, after the initial marketing success, mostly due to the realisation that the quality was not up to the imported Shiraz/Syrah, Pinots, or Merlots thst are available in Canada. Our own domestic reds are very good, but a bit pricier.
BEYOND PROPAGANDA AND PARTIAL LECTURES.
Feb 22nd, 2014 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Many people in this forum often accuse us of believing false arguments about our rights over the islands, and say that argentina has colonial ambitions in relation to the malvinas. As a student of geography, as somebody who loves analizing politic, but firstly, as an argentine citizen, i have never omited that our authorities usually tell before different international scenarios just on side of the complicated history of this conflict, however none of those who often accuse us of being indoctrinated since we are children, with the purpose of making us believe that our country has sovereign rights over the islands, never criticise the too partial arguments of their ex empire that they love defending.
I have discussed in planty of opportunities here with many people about the history of this conflict, and i have always recognized that the case has strong and weak aspects for both nations.
However, this time, it would be beeter to wonder, who fights against colonialism?, is it the u. k.?, is it argentina?, is it the population from the islands?. If the people who live in the islands really fought against colonialism, they wouldn't claim to remain under british government, they just would claim to be an independent country like any other. In the case of argentina, since 1983, it has never asked the islanders to renounce to their british nationality, in fact, when c. f. k. spoke before the u. n., she read a secret proposal treated between both governments in 1974, which was based on a shared sovereignty. Beside, even after 1982, th u. n. has always continued to call arg. and the u. k. to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution. It's hightly arguable whether the population from the islands has right to self determination, due to since 1965, none resolution that refers to this case, has never applied that principle for this cause, beside, it has always been considered like a special case by the decolonization committee.
59 Troy
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I feel no concern that we could someday lose our home but I do think relations are as bad as they've been since 82 with the Argentine Government right now. Luckily TMBOA is impotent to do anything except moan.
There are some very nice UK wines without a doubt and you are right about the price but it's not as bad as some people would have you believe. I very much like Denbys Wines; extremely drinkable and not just the reds.
Joe, The Camel Valley fizz from deepest Cornwall has several times beaten French wines and Champagnes in wine competitions. Denbys is pretty good too. At the moment the UK climate makes our whites the thing to concentrate on. Chiles biggest market is the UK. With the present Argie attitude to the UK and Falkland Islands many people shun their wines and fruits. Its costing them dear.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 061, 62
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Joe and Capt. Silver,
Hmmm, will have to look for UK wines like Denby's, but I don't think we get it here.
Cslifornia, Australian, Chilean imports are big, Spain and France too.
The whole ”Left Coast of the US and Canada are producing very good wines, but they are all as pricey as the imports for us, due to our taxes.
Therefore, always looking for a price break.
However, though the Argie Malbecs were eagerly given a chance, they have fallen out of favour.
Axle Aarghhh - notice he repeats the same statements, nothing new, even though he has been successfully refuted several times before, on all points!
THINK you piece of shit are you still squatting in Scandinavia some where?? you should take note of the good people of Ukraine and what they have done to get rid of a nasty piece of shit similar to what's ruling Argentina,unlike you these people did not run
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0troy
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“However, he repeats the anti-Fslklands and anti-British propaganda, directly in line with that very same government,”
what has party politics got to do with a sovereignty issue, you genius?
nothing.
anti british?
no, genius, you are anti argentinian.
when somebody uses the same imbecile arguments based in stereotypes that you and this 4th class newspaper use against argentina, you suddenly feel offended.
and a canadian talking about wines??
are you joking?
canadian (LOL) wines are pricey??
LOL
how can you compare a canadian (LOL) wine, with an achaval ferrer or a cheval de los andes?
where do you have your vineyards?
under the ice?
LOL
Scandinavia.....? Did some Anglo Turnip at (64) mention Scandinavia?
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0What's happening of interest in Scandinavia those days?
Anybody remembers Julian Assange's ill fated visit to Scandinavia a couple of years ago?
Well...... Seems to be that election time in one of my ancestral countries will finelly give Mr. Assange his well deserved freedom again....
Free as Yulia Tymoshenko is today....
Think is happy....
http://www.svd.se/opinion/brannpunkt/assange-should-be-treated-according-to-swedish-law_8982528.svd
http://www.svd.se/opinion/brannpunkt/assange-should-be-treated-according-to-swedish-law_8982528.svd
When nobody believes your lies call Robert.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Does your organisation need help telling its story?
To discuss how we could help you, please…
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@ paulcedron ...let me make myself clear............I am totally anti- argentinian........I would nuke them bake to the stone age......they know what weapons we have and if they pick a fight they should expect us to use those weapons......just because a mgger tries to rob you when he is armed with a stick...does not mean that you cannot shoot him....if you have a weapon as a deterent and someone attacks you then that weapon has failed as a deterent.....SO USE IT.........start with that rat nest....BUENOS AIRES
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course Think is happy if Assange is cleared of charges. He probably sees so much of himself in Assange.......
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.theage.com.au/world/writer-dishes-dirt-on-sexist-assange-20140223-hvdhn.html
As for one of Think's ancestral countries freeing Assange, unless that country is England it won't happen. Assange absconded on bail. Perhaps though he will get time served.
I hope the English justice system moves extremely slow in that case, another year or two imprisonedin that tiny embassy is just what he needs.
65 Pee-Cee
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0”how can you compare a canadian (LOL) wine, with an achaval ferrer or a cheval de los andes?
where do you have your vineyards?
under the ice ?
- shows what you know. *rolls eyes, sighs resignedly *
@66
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Anybody remembers Julian Assange's ill fated visit to Scandinavia a couple of years ago?”
Does anyone remember Julian Assange?
@65
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does anybody in Argentina actually own a mirror?
Turnip at (69) says...:
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Of course Think is happy if Assange is cleared of charges. He probably sees so much of himself in Assange.......”
I say...:
Well..... We do share a profound luuuuv for women and a intense dislike for condoms.....
But the lad has a much darker complexion than yours truly.... :-)))
5-Paulcedron. Figures incorrect:
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Defence Costs are about 1/3 of the figure claimed. But more importantly even IF UK were to withdraw its forces from the Islands the cash savings to the Uk taxpayer would be virtually ZERO.
Why? - Simple- Those personnel would not be made redundant- they are still part of current planned UK Armed forces - so they will still need to be paid-fed-clothed-accommodated-equipped-and TRAINED and EXERCISED.
That is a simple fact that is accepted by the 3 main UK political parties.
Where one of your article links does make sense though in that Argentina,s current policy is going nowhere and never ever will! It just continues to make it so easy for us and will never resolve anything!
Try instead to become friends(put the politics to one side under wraps and drop all the rhetoric and economic and communications bitching).
Encourage PEOPLES to get to know each other-become friends and good neighbours with mutual respect for each other,s positions, to travel and trade.
Then-just maybe- in 40-50 years time neither side will bother any more about the past, as it will have become just part of a bit of history.
But after the last 12 years of bitching by your Govt -yes it will take at least 40-50 years to repair the damage.
Axel- we are open to dialogues and to sit down with Argentina any day- you know that- just accept reality and put the sov claim under mutual wraps and respect and push it back under the umbrella and agree to differ- and start to get on living alongside each other with mutual respect- that is the way to make progress in the long term for both sides. And if you are a historian and cannot see that- I feel sorry for you.
@PaulCedron
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK families who get £25-30k in benefits receive further services including free health, education, social care and defence and thus their true cost is far higher. You cant count defence against the FIs (especially since it's argentina's fault that it is necessary) but not factor in that people in Britain are also defended. The same soldiers who defend the FIs then do tours elsewhere and thus our defence is collective. The UK pays nothing for anything else in the FIs though it wouldn't bother me if we did. You appear much more concerned about what the UK pays than we do.
@Think, your a coward fleeing from your shitty homeland and spouting of tell us all why Argentina is a shit place to live
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's a misty, drizzly morning this morning in Stanley but it was beautiful down on the beach at 6.30 on my daily walk. Time for breakfast and then I have lots of soil to barrow into the back of my retaining wall.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I notice that work for the new temporary dock facility is now noticeable in the harbour. I forget the date but it must be arriving in the next few weeks.
68
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0imbecile
“let me make myself clear............I am totally anti- argentinian.......blablabla”
scary...really...another pelotudo and counting...LOL
@paulcedron.....no one is asking you to be affraid, I am just stating what I wish would be our response to your nasty little rat hole. Argentina has never accomplished anything...list the great artists, authors, inventors.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0why are the falklands refered to as a british colony when you fail to refer to yourselves as a spanish colony....land taken by conquest?.....how did the spanish get the land off the indians ?
Anyway conquest of land has always happened....the romans conquered brittania, known as albion to the britons....then the angles and the saxons conquered brittania, whence the name changed to England...land of the Angles...
if your nasty little race had been smart, they would probably have been given the islands by now but because you launched an attack without a declaration of war.... A SNEAK ATTACK.....you will never get your sweaty, dirty little paws on them again.
we have submarines sailing around the south atlantic which can sink your navy and level your cities with cruise missiles...we have typhoon fighters which will smash your airforce and can be reinforced within hours. we also have 1000 troops which will be dug in and would take atleast 10,000 of your crappy, bean muching conscripts to have a remote chance of victory. but the most important factot is....you are latins and they are a weak, lazy, pathetic race which lacks moral fibre....mexico lost most of its lands to the americans, spain lost its colonies to the americans, spain lost gibraltar to the british and you lost the falklands when everything was in your favour....why?.....because you lack moral fibre, courage...backbone!
79
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pelotudo
you need to learn the difference between a sovereign independent state and a colony
so go back to school and then come back here.
imbecile #79: disapproved
Argentina made some good wines and grew nice blueberries. Argentinian beef was imported after WWII after we and our American friends defeated fascism. But, we don't buy hardly any of it any more, the beef is full of toxins and hormones that turns one into a nancy (just look at your army!) , and we prefer to buy off friendly countries like Chile.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And, as for #80, slinging bricks gets you nowhere, but its all you can do, impotent moron, you dig yourself deeper in the shitpile. Meanwhile…. Joe just ignores you and continues his creation of a nice English garden in the South Atlantic. Something that idle latin slobs can never appreciate.
Start a revolution, remove the dictator and live free like us.
@80 paulcedron
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Argentina doesn't understand truth, honesty, history or international law. You certainly don't understand what a colony is.
Let me help you out.
The Falkland Islands are a SELF GOVERNING British Overseas Territory by their OWN choice.
Argentina wants to COLONISE the Falkland Islands, impose their rule on them, and steal all of their resources.
Now I would tell you to go back to school, but the schools in Argentina are so abysmal that it wouldn't help.
But rest assured that when Argentina has disappeared up it's own hoop, the Falkland Islanders will still be living a prosperous life free of the murderous Argentina wannabe colonialists.
81
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why dont you read the posts 68 and 79 first?
who is slangin bricks?
the moron saying that he wants to nuke buenos aires?
or you saying “idle latin slobs”?
about good beef, you need the pampas first.
that is the secret.
chile hasn´t got any, neither the pampas nor the good beef.
on the other hand, when have you tasted a lomo or a bife de chorizo from argentina?
they are not exported to small markets like the uk since long time ago.
the beef of the cuota hamilton is 1 million times better than anything that you, poor thing, have had the chance to taste.
@paulcedron....you are colonial implants on land taken by conquest....still using that stupid greasy latino insult ...oh I am hurt. your country is the ass hole of the american continents......unlike you, I had family who served during the war....on HMS Plymouth......and he found the penguins to be less smelly and more intelligent than the diego rats that came ashore......how many battles did you win, how many prisoners did we capture.......your army is shite and your warships have glass bottoms so they can see your airforce......as for your beef...i wouldn't eat anything that has been raped by a belching pion
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#83 RG beef isnt allowed in the UK because of the all the injections and non traceability. We do see beef from Brazil though. We only import top quality meat and yours isnt up to standard. In Chile they rear Herefords and Aberdeen Angus in Patagonia, top quality breeds that originated in the UK.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60 The right to self-determination is applicable to ALL non-self-governing territories as confirmed by a number of ICJ Advisory Opinions. You will not find anything from the UN Fourth Committee, UN General Assembly or the UN ICJ, written in the past 25 years that contradicts this.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hence Ban Ki-Moon's words of 12th November 2012, 'I don't think Security Council members are violating ANY 'relevant' UN resolutions.'
You cannot have ANY bilateral talks between the UK and Argentina when the Islanders DO have the right to self-determination.
it seems another poor islander is trying to play the brave guy.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the poor thing would shit his already dirty pants if he has to face something more dangerous than a sheep.
must be a genetic thing.
as they say, tiny island, tiny genepool
http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=4288
British Have Changed Little Since Ice Age, Gene Study Says
http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=4288
http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=4288
http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=4288
http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=4288
Well that's as much as I'm doing on the retaining wall today. It's looking good but I don't have time to finish it this weekend. Mrs Bloggs made us all lovely vegetable soup and bread for lunch and now she's baking some scrumptious slice for afternoon tea. Looks like I'm cooking tonight!
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lazy afternoon in with the heating turned up now; the wind is blowing about 25 gusting 35 I'd reckon. I feel a little sorry for the half marathon runners and the cruise ship passengers. I wonder if that big Princess ship will leave early or not?
@83
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“about good beef, you need the pampas first.”
Does Tussac Grass grow there ?
@73
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We do share a profound luuuuv for women and a intense dislike for condoms.....”
One should not be selfish, but think of others...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bcc_1243838323
#83
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quote Pampas
Unfortunately, domestic livestock and farming have severely affected the pampas. Fertilizers and overgrazing are a serious threat to the pampas. There are only a very few pristine remnants of the legendary “ocean of grass” that was the Pampas. It is considered to be one of the most endangered habitats on earth.
If it was not for cattle and wild geese in winter, we would be up to our armpits in grass. Highly suitable for dairy/beef production. Our Galloway and Highland cattle can stay out all year and graze. I can remember eating Argentine beef after WW2, also a lot of NZ lamb, but I cannot comment on your assertion about current beef from Argentina. It never appears on the market here.
Maybe it appears in London, but we have plenty of good beef locally, if you can afford it.
“ they are not exported to small markets like the uk ”
The decline would appear to be that the meat is not wanted, especially in the K.
The best information on Argentine exports of beef is in the following.
http://markets.eblex.org.uk/markets/news-argentina-beef-exports-fall.aspx
DO NOT OPEN THE REF DEMOTIVATION #87. My anti-virus program rang bells and whistles when I tried. Probably has a virus in it.
88
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm a bit of a talent at Drystane Dyking....
No need for mortar....
Every stane has it's place...
Clever use of trough stanes ..through stanes.....last for centuries.....
...great home for all kinds of creatures and pleasing to the eye......
@89
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tussock is common in Western isles (Scotland) - but it thrives more in aluvial soil. For those crofters having mixed holdings - crops and livestock, it is not helpful. It is difficult because of its density to remove from where it is not wanted.
60 axel arg
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It’s not a question of fighting colonialism. The islanders have the right of self-determination under the UN charter. They have exercised this right in last year’s referendum. They voted overwhelmingly to remain a British overseas territory. The islanders live under the law, laws passed by their own elected assembly, the oldest in South America. They have their own elected Government. They set their own taxes, issue their own currency and postage stamps, and have their own customs and immigration policy. They keep all the revenues from fishing and oil exploration licences etc.
The protocol you speak of were discussions by civil servants and diplomats, NOT UK government policy. It has been expressed British policy since 1965 that the wishes of the islanders are paramount.
Being a British citizen and being a British SUBJECT are NOT the same thing. You can be a British citizen and passport holder anywhere. British subjects live under the authority and laws of the British crown. This excluded shared sovereignty, which makes little sense. You cannot live under both British and Argentine law at the same time. You cannot have both Her Majesty the Queen and President Kirchner as head of state of the same territory at the same time. This makes no sense either.
Busy week this week. Meetings with 3 different sets of international visitors on Monday and Wednesday, including entertaining them on Wednesday evening, and off on a work trip at the end of the week. A short trip though thankfully. A lot to do before I go including a bit of concreting in the evenings so that it's all set by the following weekend when I've got to finish the retaining wall. I don't like pouring concrete so late in the afternoon if it has to have a finished surface but I'll have to. Should've done it today but I had too many other things to do.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once the retaining wall is completed I've got some fences to erect and then plant some hedge plants along them. That should see me through to winter and then I have to replace two bathrooms. No rest for the wicked but actually I love doing it. I find it very therapeutic after a hard day in the office.
92 A_Voice
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We got some decent dry dikes down here too....
http://www.unitoursperu.com/admin/images/cytitour.jpg
http://www.unitoursperu.com/admin/images/cytitour.jpg
so, suddenly we have to receive a lesson about the pampa húmeda by someone who has never set a foot there in his whole life.
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0probably he has the same knowledge on this matter as this journalist (?) taylor has about argentina.
that is 0 zero.
the truth is that cattle is not the best business, so if you have a campo in the pampa húmeda or the pampa seca region, the best thing to do is sowing soy, corn, wheat, oats, etc.
the meat produced uder the cuota hilton, that is the best meat in the world, is exported to the main markets: japan, france, spain, italy, germany, etc.
the uk is almost nonexistent for the argentinian market now, i think they import a strange canned thing called corned beef. yuck
97 paulcedron
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina beef exports
2005 750,000 metric tons
2012 164,000 metric tons
“....In addition to raising fewer cattle, farmers and ranchers also freed up land for crops by finishing cattle in feedlots instead of producing the grass-fed beef for which the country had been famous.”
http://beefmagazine.com/beef-exports/argentina-provides-lesson-how-ruin-beef-industry
@96
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Impressive. Regrettably, our effort requires a little 'pointing' in the gaps - however gneiss is notoriously difficult to work.
http://clip2net.com/s/6T5FBB
98 leiard
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0agree with the article.
the govt ruined the beef industry.
anyway, argentina remains as the biggest producer of premium beef in the world.
“ Hilton quota: It consists of a quota of 58,100 tonnes of high-quality fresh, chilled and frozen beef. The suppliers are Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
Argentina has the largest quota allocation at 30,000t”
#97
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so, suddenly we have to receive a lesson about the pampa húmeda by someone who has never set a foot there in his whole life. probably he has the same knowledge on this matter as this journalist (?) taylor has about argentina. that is 0 zero.
That has not stopped you from commenting on things with the same breadth of knowledge you attribute to me..
You bum your chat about pampas fed beef. I know nothing about it. I look it up. The first thing I see is how damaged the Pampas it is getting. The next thing I see is the decline in export of Argentine beef. Am I wrong in this ?
You say it is the best meat in the world. Opinions differ.
http://www.kobeclassicbeef.com/is-kobe-beef-the-best-beef-in-the-world/
http://www.kobeclassicbeef.com/is-kobe-beef-the-best-beef-in-the-world/
Did you also note the decline in EU exports ?
This trend has continued into the first quarter of 2013 with exports down one per cent, compared to the corresponding three months of 2012. Shipments to the EU fell 17 per cent with exports to Germany, Argentina’s main market in the EU, down over a quarter. Shipments to the Netherlands, the other key market for Argentina, increased 16 per cent. Trade with the United Kingdom has become negligible in recent years.
You are correct in the fact that virtually no beef is imported from the Argentine into the UK. We have no need of it. Our own beef is equally good or better.
My opinion...prove me wrong.
@101
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Our own beef is equally good or better.”
I trust you are referring to 'Scotch Beef' . My friend Angus in Aberdeen will have no other : )
101
Feb 23rd, 2014 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0uk beef does not qualify in any of the requirements the premium argentinian or uruguayan beef are subject .
again, the best beef in the world is not the kobe (they say marbled beef, we say greasy), but the beef of the hilton quota.
that is, mainly, the argentinian beef, then the uruguayan, american, australian, etc.
next time try to find a serious site, not one that is just a publicity for the kobe beef.
that cut is called ojo de bife in argentina, it costs 1/2 the price of a good lomo.
96 Think
Feb 24th, 2014 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0....ermmm....maybe I'm not as talented as I thought....that's pretty impressive....
..probably won't get one in each hand....
102
......found your mate Angus from Aberdeen...
http://img.21food.com/20110609/product/1305377913250.jpg
103 paulcedron
Feb 24th, 2014 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure about “corned beef” it’s seen as a bit old fashioned these days, only old ladies seem to buy it. I think they make sandwiches with it. I buy it occasionally, to give to my cat, who loves it.
Corned beef, under its nick name “bully beef” was of course a famous staple food of the British soldiers in the First World War. However even the British army has abandoned corned beef by now.
There is some very good beef available in the UK, often from specialist farms. We even export our beef to France and Germany. The climate in the UK, especially in Northern Ireland, Scotland and the East of the Country, is good for pastures, being wet and mild. The Aberdeen Angus breed produces quality fine flavoured meat.
I buy my T-bones and rib-eyes from W. Wells Ltd; a long established family butchers in Well Street, Hackney. A solid working class family in a solid working class neighbourhood. I recommend them. They have been going for 3 generations and are very fussy where they buy their beef from.
104 A_Voice
Feb 24th, 2014 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here's Angus' Argie cousin..., Bernardino...
http://www.lacassina.com/img/images/460x340/dscf8021%281%29.jpg
169 comments to go to ....
Feb 24th, 2014 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here in the UK we often buy beef from a local farm that rears Dexter cattle, small black animals that produce meat every bit as good as Kobe. I heard that much Argentinian beef is unacceptable in the EU because of hormone and steroid injections. In Chilean Patagonia we saw many Herefords and Aberdeen Angus grazing alongside the Penguins and Flamingos.
Feb 24th, 2014 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I 'Think' Argentina has become a frail shadow of its former self and needs intelligent leadership. Whilst it continues to court Mujica, Maduro and Castro its heading in the wrong direction. The people need to riot to throw out the corrupt witless government.
@60 Axel Arg
Feb 24th, 2014 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If the people who live in the islands really fought against colonialism, they wouldn't claim to remain under british government, they just would claim to be an independent country like any other”.
This is hilarious Axel.
The British government provide only two areas of support for the islanders.
The first is defence. The 3000 islanders are unable to provide their own defence FROM YOU. In living memory, when they dropped their defences, YOU rounded them up at gunpoint, used them as a human shield, indiscriminantly planted unmapped minefields around their homes, and booby-trapped their childrens school. Unsurprisingly, they dont want this to happen again.
The second area is foreign affairs, again, without Argentine bullying, the Falkland islanders would need very little assistance here, but why shouldnt they choose to have the assistance of their friends in the area. It is their choice and not yours.
Argentina is clearly behaving as a colonialist.
Listen to yourself Axel....You say that the islanders can remain British but the land becomes Argentine...That is colonialism.
The subjugation of a people and the theft of their land against their will...COLONIALISM.
I really wish that you wouldn't continue to claim (as fact) that there are strong and weak parts to both cases...This is “too partial”.
There are indeed strong and weak parts to the islanders/British claim but the Argentine claim HAS NO STRONG PARTS.
In fact the strongest part to the Argentine claim I can find is this:
In 1829 a GERMAN Merchant who had been on the islands for 12 months (with permission from both BA and London) decided to accept a ceremonial title from Buenos Aires. The German merchant voluntarily left the islands 2 years later.
Other than a couple of weeks in 1832 and a couple of weeks in 1982 this appears to be the only “Argentine claim”.
Its not “strong” is it? Compared to 180 years of civilian population and the defeat of a fascist Argentine invasion in 1982.
@29 Here it is, folks. THE argument. “Good UK contingency plan...perhaps they will be paid in Oil... Seeing how they may lose their own Oil to Scotland....” There are “claims” that Scotland's oil is worth £90 billion a year!
Feb 24th, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0But then it appears that revenue is predicted to fall from £6.5 billion to £5 billion a year.
In this article http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/declining-north-sea-oil-gas-2061015 we can see the total oil and gas revenue dropping to a total £56 billion between 2018 and 2041. That'll be a period of 23 years. On average, that's more like £2 billion a year.
North Sea oil is on its way out anyway. So WE won't really be missing it.
But http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/declining-north-sea-oil-gas-2061015 Look at that. The Barnett Formula subsidisation of Scotland is worth more!
@36 Shale oil it has neither the money nor the expertise to get out of the ground. Are you going to wait for it to seep up?
@42 I get it. You've cracked. This would be your “version” of history.
@49 Yup, argie beef incinerates well (I don't mean cooks) and argie wine is quite good for clearing drains. Destroyed loads of both.
@56 You shouldn't believe anything craig murray says. He is, after all, Scottish. One of the most highly subsidised places on the planet. But the occupants are similar to argies. They lie a lot!
@60 Can't you just go away? Apart from your appalling English, it must take days to think up your drivel. See if you can answer two questions honestly. Do you believe that the Islanders are stupid enough to declare independence and leave themselves defenceless against certain animals? Are there any 2-year olds who would believe a word CFK said?
@65 No-one here is anti-Argentine. But we probably are anti-argie. You have defined yourself. We've met a few Argentines on this board. Democratic, intelligent, reasonable, sane and sensible. Could you be like that, eh?
103. Argentina started using feedlots in 2004-5. Ever since then the quality of the beef is simply atrocious.
Feb 24th, 2014 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's cheap, tough and expensive.
I was shocked last time I traveled I used to go to El Mirasol in Recova all the time when I lived there so went back on my last trip and was extremely disappointed at the poor quality of the beef. It was like an old piece of shoe.
Maybe you should import some grass fed beef from the USA. It will remind you of what you got when you were a kid.
captain
Feb 24th, 2014 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Here in the UK we often buy beef from a local farm that rears Dexter cattle, small black animals that produce meat every bit as good as Kobe. I heard that much Argentinian beef is unacceptable in the EU because of hormone and steroid injections. In Chilean Patagonia we saw many Herefords and Aberdeen Angus grazing alongside the Penguins and Flamingos.”
yes, right...
that's why the chilean beef does not qualify for the requirements of the hilton quota.
it is easy, the best beef in the world are from: Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand -
from those 8 countries, the one with the best quality and with the capability to produce up to 30.000 tons is argentina.
the rest are only personal opinion, and do not count at all.
about the wines, where in the uk do you have a sunny, dry place to sow grapes?
it must be like having a vineyard in the middle of a swamp.
surely, not the best quality. no?
now i understand why they say that the british cuisine and vins stink.
Paul, You are living in the past. Argentina lost its crown for best beef long ago.
Feb 24th, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really do need to travel.
One the wine, Argentina produces cheap reds. Good cheap reds but cheap nonetheless. You'll never make what you produce into what is considered a fine wine.
It just will never happen.
For awhile Arg wine was on lots of menus in the USA but now it is rare to find more than one bottle on the menu.
Losing the tariff preference is devastating for your industry. You just can't compete any longer.
Paul 112 Here is some details of Camel Valley , very nice whites, sparkling wines and Pinot Noirs. The Romans grew grapes here 2 centuries ago. Our normal rainfall where I live is less than Lebonon. The weather at the moment is extreme. There are quite a few great vineyards like this. We cannot compete on red wine, we buy that from Chile and Australia mainly.
Feb 24th, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just like your claims to the Falklands your claims about your beef are tosh. In the past Argentina produced good beef, but nowadays it is produced everywhere. The UK still exports breeding cattle all over the world, a testament to how good our beef is.
I suggest you go chew on a Guacano that might be an improvement on your beef!
yank
Feb 24th, 2014 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mirasol de la recova? c´mon that is a 3rd class restaurant for tourists.
i thought a guy who could appreciate the kavannagh would go to cabaña las lilas or la cabrera or good cheaper options like hereford, el estanciero, martin fierro, etc.
but el mirasol? no way
about the beef industry here, it is true that moreno destroyed it some years ago.
nobody is really interested in producing beef cause crops are a lot better option in the pampa humeda, seca, litoral, región chaqueña, etc.
but premium beef is still in production.
it is just 30.000 tons, that is nothing for a country like this.
anyway, the production of premium beef in the other 7 countiries is even smaller, about 8000 tons.
again, it is not a question of personal tastes.
just google quota hilton beef and read the results.
about wines, try a cheval des andes or a achaval ferrer and then opine
You might want to tell the 100s of Rgs I used to dine with that its only for tourists.
Feb 24th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Idiot
Beef is like every other business the Ks destroyed.
Move on
You're the only one who thinks its still decent.
Camel Valley awards http://www.camelvalley.com/awards/
Feb 24th, 2014 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so a yank and a british wannabe want to opine about beef and wines?
Feb 24th, 2014 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what can they know?
nothing in the best of the cases.
the production of beef is totally diminished, but the quality of the premium cuts is intact.
of course you will never have the chance of tasting it, living in the u.s., the uk, or the islets.
like the best polo ponies and the best pur sang horses, the best cows in the world are bred here.
the secret is: the pampas and the argentinian know-how.
Paul, I'm embarrassed for you.
Feb 24th, 2014 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just because you want something to be doesn't make it so.
paulcedron
Feb 24th, 2014 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you know Argentina has not been able to meet it's quota for several years, in the last accounting period (2013) they only managed 80%.
So the 30,000 is their quota and not what they are supplying.
No one is suggesting that Argentinian beef herds from the pampas are not among the best in the world but unfortunately they are in large decline through your governments typical mismanagement of your rich resources.
The UK produces beef of at least comparable quality to Argentina but not in the same quantities as Argentina could if they managed things properly.
The Hilton quota is likely to change in the near future and the tax advantages you currently have may disappear.
We can all buy great local beef, pork and lamb direct from farms, yes it costs more, but if you want premium meat you have to pay more than the standard product in supermarkets.
I have visited Stanley only once, but have made several trips to Argentina. It is really sad to see a country so blind to the opportunities that could follow a peacefull settlement between the islanders and the mainlanders. Argentina seems hell-bent on avoiding hard economic choices and instead prefering to go the way of Southern Italy and Sicily. Argentina is beautifull and Buenos Aires is a great city. Why on earth do the people on the mainland continue to hammer away at the Falklanders? Nothing good will come out of this. It is high time that Argentina and its political elite start to show a will to clean up its act and set the country on course for a future more in line with the hopes and possibilities of a hundred years ago. That was when Argentina was a nation full of hope for the future. The immature nonsense of wasting a nations resources on military build-up, corruption, and never-ending quarrels with the falklanders must end if Argentina is going to avoid ending up like Venezuela..
Feb 24th, 2014 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0# 1
Feb 24th, 2014 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only 154 comments left to go.
Dont think your gonna make it, even with the circle jerkers helping out.
#118
Feb 24th, 2014 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0about the wines, where in the uk do you have a sunny, dry place to sow grapes?
it must be like having a vineyard in the middle of a swamp.
surely, not the best quality. no?
now i understand why they say that the british cuisine and vins stink.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/reviews/is-english-wine-really-as-good-as-anything-france-has-to-offer-7811579.html
No one is saying that they are the best wines in the world BUT the quality is improving fast and some of the English wines have taken top international honours. They grow the grapes that suit the conditions.
As a matter of interest who are “THEY” whom you are quoting.
I presume that they are the same as “the whole world agrees ” invisible people the Argies keep quoting.
Argentina must be a paradise, Best food,best wines, best horses..(who wants a horse ?) best cattle, best architecture, best music (nostrils), most honest citizens, highest standard of living in the world, most CT scanners in the world, an internationally admired currency etc,etc.
My goodness you must be fighting the waves of immigrants assaulting your beaches.
You are offering the Falkland islanders a share in this paradise but they still don't want to know. If it's as good as you make out, why don't they ?
@paulcedron ....so the resident pion harps on about how great all things diego are....which is why their economy is screwed...again.....wait until those police and soldiers turn on the massed pions in the streets.....ARGENTINA....the world laughs at you
Feb 24th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0leiard
Feb 24th, 2014 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0agree, argentina has not been able to meet the hilton quota in the last years.
in fact none of the 8 countries could fill it.
all of them fell short
i don´t know the reason in the rest of the 7 countries but in the case of argentina it was because of a wrong policy.
another calamity made by guillermo moreno.
now, argentina has to fill its part of 30.000 tons (more than 50% of the whole quota), while the other 7, a lot less.
so, argentina still produces, in spite of the government, 81% of the best premium beef in the world.
that is a fact.
http://www.thebeefsite.com/news/43506/hilton-beef-quota-to-eu-going-unused
http://www.thebeefsite.com/news/43506/hilton-beef-quota-to-eu-going-unused
captain
that is the official site of a brand.
a publicity.
it has not any value.
the top ten wine regions in the world, by quality and quantity are:
first, france italy and spain in similar proportion. then usa, argentina, australia, germany, south africa, chile and portugal.
here you have the details of each one
http://www.thebeefsite.com/news/43506/hilton-beef-quota-to-eu-going-unused
Paul @54..I agree that some of the Argentine wines are fantastic..I 've had the Trapiche (vintages 5 to 7 years back) from the winery shown on the video, not cheap but worth every cent. But cannot agree with your choice of Cabaña Las Lilas in Puerto Madero. That particular restaurant, as well as most in that area, cater to tourists who don't bother looking for the smaller, out-of-the-way restaurants, where the local businessmen go, and where the meat is ususally better, and a third of the price. In your #100, talking of prime, or premium beef, am not going argue about the quotas, as to me that is kind of irrelevant ...I've eaten a lot of prime beef from all countries mentioned, except for Australia n New Zealand, but to me the best meat I've had, and consistently good, is the USDA prime beef. ...to me unbeatable...try the “Palm” in Manhattan and other cities, “Smith & Wollenky's” in Manhattan, Peter Luger's in Brooklyn, and other top restaurants around the country. There's no chance of it not being 100% good. Just a suggestion.
Feb 24th, 2014 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0jack
Feb 24th, 2014 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0agree that cabaña las lilas is expensive and more oriented to tourist.
also agree that there are many parrillas with similar quality for 1/4 the price or less.
nobody can argue about personal tastes, probably you prefer american beef or japanese and that is ok.
but in the premium beef market it is not a question of personal taste.
you have to meet all the requirements about consistency, fat percentage, quantities, etc.
it would be like trying to belittle the scotch whisky production saying that you prefer the american, irish or whatever, when it is clear that scotland produces the major quantity, variety and highest quality of that product.
55 Joe Bloggs
Feb 24th, 2014 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad to hear that all is well in the Bloggs household. As for us d’you know what happened on Saturday.....? The sun came out!!! It was such a lovely day!! At one point, from the top of Porchester Road ( Mapperley ), you could see right across Nottingham as far as the Radcliffe-Upon-Soar power station....Such magic!! It was such a beautiful sight, it had me in tears. We will not see days like those again my friend.
Mrs Too old and I were also out in the fresh air this weekend. we were clearing out the mother-in-laws spare room and then went down to that cauldron of high powered trading and excitement that is Colwick racecourse car boot sale.
Always love going there, especially when it means that you are getting up at 5:30am just to get a pitch. I ask you, is there any better way of spending your Sunday morning????? I think not.........
The punch line to this little tail is that when we got back home at about 12:45 we found offspring 01 and offspring 02 in the kitchen “Making breakfast”..........
Kids!!! I love ‘em... I used to be one myself you know.
Stay well Joe!! And pass on our respects to your family.
paulcedron
Feb 24th, 2014 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not quite the true facts, Argentina do not produce 81% of the best premium beef in the world.
Paul since beef isn't graded or labled in Argentina you don't even know what you're buying or eating.
Feb 24th, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK bred prime beef vs Argentine prime beef? No contest - UK bred prime beef anytime!
Feb 24th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@127, Paul - When I was stationed in Japan, had the opportunity of having Kobe steaks....no doubt tender, but in taste, USDA prime beef, or even from the Argentine, knocks spots of it...not to mention the price, US$ 220 for a 200 gr steak (in the '90's). While I agree you cannot argue personal tastes, the reason why I singled out the USDA prime beef, is because it is consistently excellent, guaranteed to fulfil one's expectations.
Feb 24th, 2014 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0New arms threat: Argentina's £3billion boost to military
Feb 24th, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BRITISH military chiefs were last night “carefully monitoring” developments after Argentina announced a £3billion revamp of its armed forces.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/461327/New-arms-threat-Argentina-s-3billion-boost-to-military
The extra cash means Argentina will ¬increase defence spending by 33.4 per cent this year, the biggest rise in its history. It will include £750million for 32 ¬procurement and modernisation programmes
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Royal Navy to send HMS Dauntless to Falkland Islands
The Royal Navy’s most sophisticated warship is being sent to the South Atlantic in a move that will send a powerful message to Argentina
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/461327/New-arms-threat-Argentina-s-3billion-boost-to-military
It can shoot down Argentine fighters as soon as they take off from they bases,“ said another Navy source. ”This will give Buenos Aires serious pause for thought.”
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Feb 24th, 2014 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul, I have been to the finest restaurants in BA, and Chile recently, South Africa, many places in China, Korea, Vietnam, Singapore, Egypt, Israel, Lebanon, Morocco, Japan, Australia, NZ, Kenya, Namibia, India, Ecuador, Columbia, Canada, US dozens of times, every country in Europe with months in France as well as many other places as well as Antarctica, the Falkland Islands and S Georgia. Camel Valley are one of our best Vineyards and in the past have produced better sparkling wines than the French. We feel sorry for you Argentians because you have severe travel restrictions placed on you and so few of you have been anywhere or tried anything in other countries. Believe me, Argentina is not at the top of the food chain. You need to get out more.
Feb 24th, 2014 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0133 Briton
Feb 24th, 2014 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Royal Navy’s most sophisticated warship is being sent to the South Atlantic ”
I love the look of the T45's..........they are like nothing else on the Ocean. So tall, streamlined and elegant and yet, at the same time so, so very, very deadly .
agentina can spend all she wants. That £3 billion?? that would just about put her where the UK was in 1997. She will be nothing more than Burkina Faso with missiles.
leopard.
Feb 24th, 2014 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0agree. my mistake.
i meant argentina is fulfilling the 81% of its part in the hilton quota.
captain
nobody is saying that argentina is at top of food chain.
i´m just telling you which are the facts.
it is not a subjective position, it is data from one of the several industries in the world.
again, read what the hilton quota means, who are the main producers and then come back.
about traveling, during this 10 years it was pretty cheap for us to travel abroad, luckily i could do it.
i know your only source of information in the islands is this poor newspaper, so surely you don´t know it, but there was a boom to tour abroad, even during the cepo.
http://www.iprofesional.com/notas/171226-Boom-de-turismo-al-exterior-por-temor-a-nuevas-trabas-a-la-compra-de-dlares
137 paulcedron
Feb 24th, 2014 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You, my dear enemy, are a serious, weapons grade retard.... You do know that don't you?
“i know your only source of information in the islands is this poor newspaper”
They do have the internet you moron!!! Otherwise, how could friend CaptainSilver be showing you up to be the fool that you really are?
f**king spiders!!! paulcedron, the only person in history to loose a game of chess to a plank of wood.
Cross your legs and f*rt, it will really clear your mind................
138
Feb 24th, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0toostupid
yes imbecile, you have the internet and all you do with it is visiting this 4th class online newspaper and visiting porn websites.
try to do something more productive once in a while.
have you ever heard about studying or working?
no?
and no, sheep shagging is not a job, you poor retard.
we seem to have drifted off topic now - first beef and now a spoof story about £3billion in armaments! I have had some damn nice Arg beef - not for a couple of years but it cannot have changed taste that much!
Feb 24th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0139 paulcedron
Feb 25th, 2014 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“you have the internet and all you do with it is visiting this 4th class online newspaper and visiting porn websites”
Well of course if you say it like that, it's going to sound like a bad thing..........
140 Islander1
“.......now a spoof story about £3billion in armaments!”
But it has to be true!!! it just has to be!!! After all, it was printed in the Daily Express.........no wait, hang on a minute.........
It is a little suspect though I'll give you that. You would have thought that MP would have picked up on that before the Daily Express... after all, that story is in MP back yard isn't it?
141 - guess that means either mercopress or daily express is a poor quality rag.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0but which.... tough call.
I see that the resident pion is getting on everyones nerves......paulcedron....enjoy the freedom of speech...while you still can........If it is true that you are spending $3 billion on arms then it will be nice smashing you new 2nd hand trash, $3 billion is less than we spend on one ship......you should save your money and pay your creditors, you defaulting tossers! for a countr with such good beef, wine, politicians and governance you still manage to have a shit country
Feb 25th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right , about 130 posts to reach target .
Feb 25th, 2014 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To wake up the trolls you have to use certain words that are picked up by their key loggers , so here goes :
The FALKLANDS are called that after Lord FALKLAND ,though in ARGENTINA they prefer the name MALVINAS , after the french word Malouine .
CRISTINA wants the islands in order to distract people because talking about DESAPARECIDOS is now old hat .
Meanwhile someone should mention VERNET or GAUCHO RIVERO , talk about 1982 or SELF DETERMINATION or DAVID CAMERON , MARGARET THATCHER and GALTIERI and even bring the BELGRANO into the mix and mention HMS CLIO too .
I have heard that Argentina is considering adopting a new flag which it can use on all occasions. it was described as a white cross on a white back ground
Feb 25th, 2014 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0144
Feb 25th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- it'll all have been worth it once you get there.
112 paulcedron
Feb 25th, 2014 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0English wine is a specialist field, mostly concentrated in the warm, dry region of South East England. The dry chalky soils of Surrey, Sussex, Kent and Hampshire produce excellent white sparkling wines. The standard has risen dramatically in recent years with English sparkling wines winning international awards.
I drank a bottle of 2009 Nyetimber, Tillington Vineyard Champagne (method) over Christmas and it was stunning.
Interestingly, and technically, if Argentina asked to join the European union, [anything’s poss. chaps ]
Feb 25th, 2014 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then when she joined that fraternity, she would be joining one big happy family,
So technically the Falklands would be part of CFKs future empire,
Along with her Spanish accessions of France Germany etc ….lolol.
Still,
If they can dream , they can also imaging all kinds of futuristic achievements ..lol
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143 mercian
Feb 25th, 2014 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I see that the resident pion is getting on everyones nerves”
Oh leave him alone!! He's enjoying himself. He gets ever so excited when he thinks that we are “Writhing in the grip of his superior wisdom”
Watch this..........
Paul!!! HEY Paul!!! Under “redundant” in the Dictionary it says “See Redundant” can you explain that to me?
Paul, I would agee that your government the beef industry in your country with their crazy policies and more particularly your export markets.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Importers are very wary of signing contracts for your beef as as has happened your suppliers cannot comply and thereis a sudden decree (plumazo) prohibiting beef exports.
Notonly are you way behind Uruguay on the traceabilityof your beef animals but the information put out by your agriculturalministry is not fully trustworthy
While Uruguay and New Zealand fulfilled their quotas for Hilton cuts until last year, Argentina has never done so.
OK niether has Brazil or Paraguay, but thats because much of their beef is Zebu cross and so not eligible for Hilton quotas.
Im not tying to score points. Its just a crying shame that your cattle industry has been almost liquidated byyour misguided government policies.
rupert
Feb 25th, 2014 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you may be right.
i was not referring to white or sparkling wines anyway.
150
redpoll
totally agree about what the government has done with the beef industry here.
a complete disaster
my point was that even when the premium beef production was totally affected, argentina still is the major provider of the hilton quota.
in spite of only providing 81% of its part, still has more than 50% of the participation.
not only argentina, brazil and paraguay couldn´t fill their quota.
australia and the u.s couldn´t either.
3 Joe Bloggs
Feb 25th, 2014 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I also think times are very different from the late 70s when we were, I strongly believe, about to be sold out.”
I think you are right old friend. I think that as with everything else and all those Whitehall “Defense white papers” The Falkland Islands were seen as “Just another drain on national resources”
If argentina hadn't invaded in 1982 I think that you and all the rest of the islanders would have been gradually “sold down the river” to argentina whether you liked it or not.
I also think that the invasion, horrible though it was at the time, did some good y'know?
I'm not trying to make light of a terrible time that the Islanders must have suffered, but... still, the whole rotten episode is not without it's silver lining.
The royal navy was saved ( in part ) from being reduced to a couple of row boats. They also managed to keep the amphibious warfare part of the fleet ( which we still need today ).
No present or future government would ever dare try that same sh*t with your lives again. Gone are the days when the Islanders “Just didn't matter” through the war and the heartache and the victory's you have all become “Our brother and sisters down south” any government now would face a rebellion if they ever tried to make policy on your behalf.
So even though you guys suffered ( and I would not wish that on anyone ) it was not all in vain.
152 Too Old
Feb 25th, 2014 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry about trying to tread on eggshells mate ( I think I can sense you were). You are 100% spot on and I couldn't agree with you more. Also never forget that for as bad as it was for the local population many thousands of lives were made worse forever in 1982. We'll never forget that nor will our children and their children for as long as we live.
THANK YOU.
@151 Paul
Feb 25th, 2014 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HILTON QUOTAS
I talked toAussie farmers in 1994 andthey couldnt understand why they had been assigned a quota at all as they has more lucrative markets elsewhere andI think the same goes for the USA
In my view if countries do not comply with their assigned quotas wholly or in part,any deficit in their annual quota should be reassigned to contries that do meet their obligations
@152 : I wouldn't be so sure .As 1982 fades from the collective memory , so a future government will sell the islanders down the river .
Feb 26th, 2014 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only people who learn nothing from history are politicians .
All a clever Argie politician has to do is give British companies massive concessions in Vaca Muerta and other sectors in return for talks , and a future government will readily agree to this .
Remember the way Blair courted and made up with Gaddafi despite Lockerbie AND his support for the IRA , to say nothing of weapons sold to Argentina in 1982 ?
The only reason Britain isn't sharing the exploration and exploitation costs off shore is the obduracy of the K government , who want it all for themselves .
Do You think the islands can stand for themselves for ever? Isolated from continental South America
Feb 26th, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think so.
At some point both parties will have to sit down and talk about an agreement.
I don't agree with K government. But certain thing were accomplished. Nowadays all Latin American governments including Chile, consider the Flakland islands as Argentines territories. No government recognizes the falkland flag. And a Stanley London nonstop flight is unlikely to be economically profitable or possible in the near future. I don't see how the kelpers can win actually. It is just a matter of time.
@156 fgustavo35
Feb 26th, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0180 years of unbroken occupation, which includes an invasion, suggests the Falkland Islanders have already won. They are as free and safe as any population on the South American mainland and every attempt by Argentina to reverse this state of affairs has been a resounding failure.
@157 Heisenbergcontext
Feb 26th, 2014 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My dear friend, if what you are saying is true, why was there a need for a referendum? I don't see people going into a referendum in any other southamerican territory. If what you are saying is true, how come those islands are in the United Nations decolonization committee list of territories with disputed sovereignty status.
Like Britain said to the Islanders back in the 70s. Their status Quo is not something that can last forever.
May be you didn't know but the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands started to be discussed between Britain and Argentina in the early 70s. As well as a slowly hand over with a status of mixed nationality for the people in between. However our president died in 1974 and negotiations stopped.
Peron would have paid a fortune to get his hands on the islands , same as he did with the railways in 1947 and when he accepted a load of war surplus junk in lieu of cash for the debt run up during the war .
Feb 26th, 2014 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If sovereignty had been transferred in say , 1985 there would be about 12 people living on those islands by now .Under Argentine rule the place would wither and die .
@ Usurping Pirate
Feb 26th, 2014 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May be the islands under Argentine rule would be like Ushuaia in Tierra del Fuego. Daily flights, full of tourism, new hotels being built each year, full of businesses and electronic industries manufactures.
@158 fgustavo35
Feb 27th, 2014 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, the relationship between the Islands and Britain was very different before the invasion. This event changed the awareness of British citizens from a place few ever thought about to one no-one could help being aware of. It went from being an obscure Territory in the South Atlantic to an issue of national pride.
The referendum was a diplomatic necessity in the face of the belligerence of the current Argentine government. As an exercise in both standing up for it's rights and increasing awareness of the Islands right to self-determination I think it was very successful.
The sovereignty of the Islands is indeed disputed - the simple solution is, of course, to take the issue to the International Court of Justice and settle the issue once and for all. Argentina has thus far preferred to rely on propaganda.
The relationship between Argentina and the Islands is still tainted by lingering bitterness from the Falklands War and the attitude of Argentina's current administration has made the trust necessary for increased contact impossible.
It will take many years and a much altered attitude from Argentina for any hope of that to change IMHO. They have endured and even thrived despite the isolation you refer to. Who's to say they can't continue to do so?
@ Heisenbergcontext
Feb 27th, 2014 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0My dear friend. I wouldn't take the matter to the extent of an issue of national pride. I am sure very few people in Britain know exactly where the islands are located on a map.
Why can't we sit down and talk?
I believe we should restart negotiations like in 1970.
Hong Kong was return to China more than 200 years after it was taken by Britain. Do you trust the Chinese more than us?
162 fgustavo35
Feb 27th, 2014 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I am sure very few people in Britain know exactly where the islands are located on a map”
Actually, they do. The Falklands war of 1982 is cover in the present GCSE history Syllabus so all 14 and 15 years old are taught about what happened.
“Hong Kong was return to China more than 200 years after it was taken by Britain”
Hong Kong used to belong to China. We returned the island In accordance with the Sino-British Joint Declaration, and the underlying principle of one country, two systems
We own the Falkland Islands. they are ours. We did not lease them from agentina / spain, whatever so there is nothing to return.
“Do you trust the Chinese more than us?”
What a question!!! If you show me a bucket of turds and ask me “Pick the best one” and I do, I may have picked the best one but I still only have a turd.....
You are asking me to pick between a society that has no human rights and a society that thinks throwing nun's out of planes and putting hand grenades in childrens school desks is ok.......
162 fgustavo35
Feb 27th, 2014 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0May be the islands under Argentine rule would be like Ushuaia in Tierra del Fuego. Daily flights, full of tourism, new hotels being built each year, full of businesses and electronic industries manufactures.
1 ) Who in their right mind is going to run empty flights ? Even Aerolineas aren't THAT stupid
2 ) Tourism is currently at a sustainable level and unlikely to increase
3 ) Cristina builds new hotels every year , and they are all empty
4 ) Who in their right mind would build electronics factories there ?
Thanks to the present government , people aren't investing in the mainland , let alone some far flung outpost 400kms from it .
Get real , this desire for the fabled Malvinas is simply a poisonous cancer that eats away at the very core of Argentina . In real terms , they are simply not worth it .
@162 fgustavo35,
Feb 27th, 2014 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Has it ever entered your head, amigo, that we DON'T WANT to be ruled by or join Argentina?
What is there to talk about?
You desperately want OUR lslands & we are not going to give them to you.
We will not discuss Sovereignty, but if you want to talk about trade or tourism, we can.
But thats not what you want to talk about is it?
You want our lslands.
@162 fgustavo35
Feb 27th, 2014 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Alas, the Argentinian government is not as courteous and respectful as yourself. Last February Hector Timerman declined to meet the British Foreign Minister on the grounds that “The Falkland Islanders do not exist.” Argentina's own Foreign Ministry was surely aware that negotiations are impossible without the presence and consent of the Islanders. Just as Britain is aware that the Argentinian constitution states ( to paraphrase ) that sovereignty is a foregone conclusion. It doesn't leave much room for negotiation. If any at all.
As @163 above has noted there are distinct differences between Hong Kong and the Falklands. Short of violating a legal agreement with China and risking armed conflict Britain had no choice but to return HK to China.
Ultimately the future of the Falklands is in the hands of people who currently live there. The referendum made it clear where their heart lies. If Argentina's foreign policy was in the hands of reasonable people such as yourself perhaps a closer relationship might be possible - but as it stands I can't see that occurring.
Why can't we sit down and talk
Feb 27th, 2014 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0would you sit and talk to a nation headed by a dictator who changed her constitution to get them back regardless,
and nation who invaded you, causing the deaths of hundreds,
a nation who intimidated you, threatens you , blockades you,
would you sit and talk,
[ of course you would, your an argy.]
@162 - what a ridiculous attempt at trying to drive the idea that you're being a reasonable person.
Feb 27th, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you're saying is that a peaceful community must surrender their lands to a lying Government, who legally and historically has been proven countless times to have no basis to claim sovereignty if another's land.
The Falklands Islands are the Falklanders, not Argentine, and not the UKs (Brits see them as the Islanders and the UK ensures their protection).
If Argentina moved away from its colonialist mission to take lands from others then there would be a chance of peace for the islanders and great opportunities for work and trade for all three nations.
The UK will not leave the Islanders to be invaded, to be colonised, in all probability bombed into red mist.
To imply through your wording that you are a voice of reason is lunacy.
Like your government openly admits, it is your moral right and aim to ok to manipulate international opinion.
Luckily the world has access to factual information and know only utter crap pages Buenos Aires and the mouths of you Argentine trolls on here.
I look forward to the day when normal Argentines take back their country and start engaging with the world again.
@ Heisenbergcontext
Feb 27th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a lot to say here. It's difficult to know where to start. May be we should start with the comparison with HK. As you know Argentina is a former Spanish colony known as Virreinato del Rio de la plata that later became independent as Provincias Unidas del Rio de la Plata. The territory known as Falkland or Malvinas were own and occupied by Spain for many years. And the Spanish put that territory administratively under the control of Buenos Ayres and named 32 governors in total for that specific territory. Tell me something, do you have 32 governors in a territory you don't possess?
In the XVIII century, Spain and Britain signed a treaty called the Nookta Sound Convention. As you know in that treaty Britain accepted not to set up colonies in the Spanish territories in America or adjacent to them. Guess who owned the Falkland Islands at the time the Nookta sound convention was signed? Spain did.
If you don't respect the treaty you signed, Spain may not respect the treaty for Gibraltar in the future. Gibraltar is much more populated than the Falkland Islands. Utis Possidetis Iuris states that when one colony fights for its independence, then the whole colony becomes independent. When we got our independence from Spain those islands became independent with us. In 1825 the new independent country Provincias Unidas del rio de la plata signs a friendship agreement with Britain. At that time we administered the islands and Britain didn't complain. In 1833, the British army, much stronger than we were and we are took the territory by force and deported our people. We protested then and ever since. This is the idea people in Argentina have. That's why the problem is difficult to solve. We feel we have been stolen.
Now tell me something my friend. When you took the islands back in 1833. Did you ask the people living there whether they wanted to be British. Did you put into practice people self determination?
Gustavo @169
Feb 27th, 2014 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are evidently new to this site.
All the points you raise have been discussed in other posts ad nauseam and duly refuted with hard evidence, so I suggest you read them for your enlightenment.
Estimado Sr. fgustavo35.....
Feb 27th, 2014 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please do not listen to Mr. RedPoll at (170)
He is an English rancher in his seventies, living in Uruguay who “Thinks” that “Hard Evidence” is anything an Englishman writes or utters.....
In previous posts he has assured us that the Atucha Nuclear Plant was melting down and that Carlitos Gardel was born in Tacuarembó, ROU....
Would you believe that? ;-)
Anyhow, nice to have yet another informed and ecucated Argentinean posting here...
Saludos cordiales...
El Think...
Chubut, Patagonia Argentina...
Estimado Sr. fgustavo35.....
Feb 27th, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please do not listen to Mr. “El Think” at (171).
He is just ONE more of the brainwashed trolls, and lives in Chubut, who “Thinks” the gospel truth is whatever crosses CFK puffy buttlips.
And he calls himself an “'informed and educated Argentinean”.....don't know and don't care what he “Thinks” he knows, but I “Think” you would be better off trusting your own judgment than to listen to an obnoxious little man from Chubut.
169
Feb 27th, 2014 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Concerning ...170...refuted??
Oh no they haven't.....
...their resident legal team after several days debate was reduced to....Claimed by Conquest.....
...won't be long before they appear.....
@171 Thus speaks the great hoarse whisperer, sage of Chubut and turnip gardener.
Feb 27th, 2014 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually I think he has changed to beets lately. Pretty girl Remolacha I hear.
Gustavo,
Carlos Gardel. Yes he was Uruguayan. Suggest you visit the Museo Carlos Gardel at Valle Éden for the truth. It's on line.
As for the Argentine nuclear energy programme I have written extensively about the pros and cons on other threads
(174) redp0ll
Feb 27th, 2014 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please inform yourself....
Carlitos Gardel (cada día canta mejor) was Yorugua de Alma...
Carlitos Gardel (cada día canta mejor) was Porteño de Corazón...
Carlitos Gardel (cada día canta mejor) was Franchute de Nacimiento...
@169 fgustavo35, after yr post and redpoll's #170, I was sure that some of the lesser educated Trolls would rear up and show their ugly faces ; said and done...Along came the pretentious “El Think” from Chubut, trying to make you side with him, and then Voicey @ 173, a weirdo living in Scotland but who hates the Brits and everything British, and loves CFK. Once again, beware of those slimy characters.
Feb 27th, 2014 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You inform yourself Think. That legend of Gardel being born in Bordeaux has long since been disproved.
Feb 27th, 2014 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you visit the link I gave you or are you frightened of the truth?
Anyway I would like to refer to your expertise in genetics and Nordic mythology with this question:
ARE TROLLS DESCENDED FROM TROLLOPS OR CAN THEY INTERBREED WITH NORMAL HUMANS.?
(177) redp0ll
Feb 27th, 2014 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet you, Englishman don't dance, listen or even enjoy Tango....
So please stop your futile attemps to teach me anything about it...!
By the way, Carlitos Gardel (cada día canta mejor), was born in Tolouse, not Bordeaux as you so wrongly write at (177)...
http://www.todotango.com/english/gardel/cronicas/cronica_fin_polemica.asp
@178 how much you want to bet? No, that would be like taking candy from a baby!
Feb 27th, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't care if it's Bordeaux or Toulouse, both of which are false.
Both his birth certificate, Uruguayan and argentine crédulas de identidad are on display at the museum I mentioned.
So just stop lying please
176
Feb 27th, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHAT.....“who hates the Brits and everything British, and loves CFK.”
...I'll give you 24 hours Jack Bauer to prove that with evidence....
...are Scot's not British...?
@169....Beware the idiot Trolls like this one...so easily disproved...
(180) A_Voice
Feb 27th, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“...I'll give you 24 hours Jack Bauer to prove that with evidence....”
I say...:
And what if Jack Bauer can't gather the necessary evidence in 24 hours...?
Will you shoot Jack Bauer's wife and kids before his eyes to save the Free Western World...?
Chuckle chuckle©
181 Think
Feb 27th, 2014 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Much worse....I'll subject them to Pibroch for an hour.....
...even I don't like Pibroch...and I can play it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRzQGvIshNQ
@181 Think.
Feb 27th, 2014 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you haven't responded to my post about Gardel I assume you have no argument. Your link to El Observador (extract in English) dates from 2003.
Suggest you update the references in that newspaper (in Spanish) to December 2013.
You might just learn something.
(182) A_Voice
Feb 27th, 2014 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give him some Spanish/Argie gaita from el Think :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIaB0-pjC3c
(183) Boooooring....
184 Think
Feb 27th, 2014 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's positively lively compared to Pibroch and also played at Reel speed...
those pipes are pitched higher than Piob Mhor and in a different key..sounded like C as opposed to A
...It wasn't too bad actually...quite easy to play.. more of an accompaniment than a tune....
And she has a nice derriere......
Feb 27th, 2014 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@184
Feb 27th, 2014 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Think doesnt like the Galician pipes either?
Lots of gallegos in Argentina who Think obviously considers Untermensch with true Argentine arrogance
@169 fgustavo35
Feb 28th, 2014 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry for the late reply - I live in Australia, not the U.K. Big time difference. I have to echo Mr Redpoll @170 on the points you raised. They all been argued to the death. Again and again... and again. If you click on the Archives button at the top of the page you'll discover just about every detail on this subject you could ever wish to know. I'd just be regurgitating information others know in far more detail than myself. Have fun...
@180, Voicey Troll...Sure Scots are British...never said otherwise.
Feb 28th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And, as to proving anything, absolutely no need to...your constant criticism of Britain's foreign policy, your disdain for the Falkland Islands, and your passionate defence of CFK's a putrid regime, speak for themselves.
@169, fgustavo35, it is obvious that there is no love lost between myself and the two trolls, but given time, you will no doubt reach your own conclusions about the Chubuty “El Think” and the limp noodle from Scotland.
By Think's # 181, you can start to see what I mean.....“Think” is nothing without Voicey, and vice-versa.
189 Jack Bauer
Feb 28th, 2014 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will, of course, have noticed what everyone else on here has noticed and that “A_Voice” and “Think” are one and the same person.
The punch line to this little joke is that, having been caught red handed and having been proved to be nothing more than a sock puppet, Think still keeps on rolling it out Like we all don't know that it is really him. Well, I suppose that Think does like his little games.......
Mind you, I suppose that, having a sock puppet to talk to does help them long winter nights fly past in Chubut huh Think??
@190, agree ! 'noThink' more than a sock puppet....
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