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Brazil and EU agree to lay an undersea cable to avoid US internet surveillance
Brazil and the European Union agreed on Monday to lay an undersea communications cable from Lisbon to Fortaleza to reduce Brazil's reliance on the United States after Washington spied on Brasilia. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis ugly pig Dilma spies on her own people and turns a blind eye to Maduros onslaught and repression. The Brazilian gov’t infiltrated the anti WC protest groups
Feb 24th, 2014 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1662322-polemica-ofensiva-de-brasil-para-espiar-a-los-grupos-de-protesta
Shame she didn't continue and mention that
Feb 25th, 2014 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“... and the www was invented by a really lovely, extremely clever and quite humbe Englishman.”
For a narcissist and, traitor and thief Snowdon certainly has made a big difference.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil marches into Paraguay's matters in the name of democracy yet what about supporting democratic rights in Venezuela. Dilma is a joke.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0How much?
Feb 25th, 2014 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who is going to pay for it?
Have they ever heard of submarines?
Can't blame them for that.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0If this cable pass through England will work and lost money.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0A bit of fun history to go along with this article can be found here.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ivy_Bells
This operation was initially conducted by the United States in 1971. A “device” was wrapped around the Soviet naval cable and monitored/recorded all communications made over it. On a monthly basis, U.S. divers would retrieve the recordings and install a new set of tapes.
I reckon United States undersea technology will have improved considerably in the last 40 years. Perhaps a new “device” will be smaller than the 20 foot one necessary in the 70s. Perhaps the U.S. will use ROVs instead of divers. Perhaps the “device” will simply transmit its recordings to another installation a few miles away where they can be monitored continuously. Perhaps, like a modern submarine, the recording installation will simply unreel an antenna to the surface and send the recordings, in encrypted form, as “burst” transmissions. As ever, the UK will be glad of the intelligence the US shares.
Idiots...it's called a “tap”. Save your $185M and invest in encryption...
Feb 25th, 2014 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are also investing in encryption ($ 2.5 Billions in 2014).
Feb 25th, 2014 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are empowering the workforce, researchers and software developers (17 USD Billions).
We are developing new hardware also in partnership with Samsung, Lenovo and Positivo Computers.
We discovered the AIDS vaccine too.
Don Miguel, you should inform yourself better
@10 Brasileiro
Feb 25th, 2014 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you bother posting such rubbish.
Because I love you......hahaha
Feb 25th, 2014 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should see the comment that Indian.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/ites/indian-it-companies-face-tricky-brazilian-market/articleshow/30963217.cms
#12
Feb 25th, 2014 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you ?I was unaware that there was ANY AIDS vaccine in general use.
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/530665/20131217/hiv-cure-spanish-researchers-begin-vaccine-trial.htm#.UwyBJPl_t8E
http://www.dw.de/com-resultados-animadores-vacina-brasileira-contra-hiv-entra-em-nova-fase/a-17441253
Feb 25th, 2014 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Report of DW-Deutsche Welle about brazilian vaccine against AIDS.
According to Toby the tit, South America wants nothing to do with Europe -I'm confused?
Feb 25th, 2014 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#14
Feb 25th, 2014 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good for them. I hope it works
Some research over here.
.http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/scots-researchers-uncover-malaria-master-switch-1-3317811
@Brasileiro: But the cable is a stupid waste of money and won't solve the problem. Educate yourself...
Feb 25th, 2014 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it's fibre cable, it's impossible to surveil it without affecting the quality of the signal, as you need to bend the light to gather information.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thus it is easy to keep the line secure.
Educate yourself.
Anything can be spied on with the right technology. This is a foolish waste of money.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But who cares Marxists ruin every business, country and population they come in contact with, Brazil will be no different it is just going to take a little longer.
They are all Chavez.
No yanqui, not without leaving trails.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Educate yourself.
Sure okay.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't think we have fiber here? Nah not in the USA.
They are all Chavez, except the millions protesting and getting shot.
No electrical impulse in fiber, old man. Just light.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to surveil, you need to bend the light.
That WILL affect the signal quality and is quite easy to monitor.
In USA.
In Brazil.
In Europe.
Educate yourself.
And what about on either end? Will every user have fiber right into their computer?
Feb 25th, 2014 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You get dumber every time you post. I think you should save whatever little bit of brain you have left
They are all Chavez, except the middle class
Well, for that you need to be either in Brazil or in Europe, where the fiber enters.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure it will do so in a public park, in order to give you nosey ones all time you need...
As it is now, it passes through USA in its way to and from Europe...
Yeah the USA doesn't have any networks there.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah not at all
Your brain is leaking.
Networks?
Feb 25th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What has that to do with anything?
You need to physically gather info from the fiber that the traffic passes, you can't access the info from a random network.
You really need to educate yourself...
Who cares what passes on the actual fiber it has to originate somewhere.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you really that stupid?
My advice is stop posting until your brain cells have time to regenerate.
I think the fiber starts in one end and ends in the other, yanqui.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One end being in Brazil, the other somewhere in Europe.
I don't think they will put the fiber to emerge in a public park, your local plaza, or the US embassy though...
WTF are you talking about? It is a merely cable passing data from NETWORKS in the EU and Brazil.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure we are already well covered where ever we need to be and another cable isn't going to matter one way or the other.
That is why it is clearly a waste of money.
Oh, you mean to surveil the splits?
Feb 25th, 2014 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahaha!!
Be my guest... That's a lot of work, I'm sure you'll find it fun... And you'll have to physically connect to every local network or try to enter it from any unmonitored port...
That's a lot less cost efficient, isn't it?
Not to say expensive...
;)
I am sure it is already done. We have been spying for 200 yrs. One more cable, one more satellite will not make any difference at all.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is merely gov't bluster to appease the populace.
On second thought, go ahead and spend the money...who gives a sh**t if you piss it down the drain, you'll just print more...
Feb 25th, 2014 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That particular cable would split into thousands...
Feb 25th, 2014 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just in case you aren't educated enough...
It doesn't matter. We already have where ever the data originates and where it terminates tapped. Laying another cable isn't going to make one bit of difference.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No you don't, yanqui. As you were gathering the data sent through your servers.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The data wont pass your servers anymore, yanqui.
Nothing to be upset about.
Common procedure.
Eventually it will pass through something we have monitored. We have this well in hand.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry about it
Laying another cable won't impede us one tiny bit.
Yes, all splits will eventually pass your taps... How could I miss that...
Feb 25th, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahaha!!
Somebody really needs to be educated...
Hahahahaha!!
Yes someone does
Feb 25th, 2014 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are all Chavez
You are too dumb to waste any more time with.
Stephen...read “Blind Man's Bluff”. It will give you an idea of old covert data collection capabilities.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stevie you do better when your head is further up your ass, it stinks less. Stick to being an ex-pat in Europe. It must kill you to see the collapse form so far a way and they is nothing you can do about it.........not that you would even if you were there.
lolololololololololololol
You are all CHAVEZ......fortunately he has no oxygen.
#37
Feb 25th, 2014 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would not underestimate American technology. Just because you say it cannot be done does not make it so.
stevie believes in mediocrity, he is a socialist. He is unfamiliar with initiative and doing the unthinkable.....like flying, landing on the moon. Initiative is not in the socialists lexicon.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its not about the ability of the US to spy on the cable.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its the price of being caught doing so.
Especially after a president of the US gives assurances.
There is too much on the ... line.. in this case for the US to go interfering with someone elses cable.
Think of the outcry from the US population if it was Brazil or Europe spying on US cables, and the implications.
Nowadays it works both ways.
There would be no forgiveness. The price paid would be massive.
Risk not worth the reward.
#42
Feb 25th, 2014 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For once I have to agree....I won't make it a habit !
@18 That's “fibre-optic”, girlie. Just to give you a clue, could you understand that anything “optic” can be “corrected”. How do you think your glasses work?
Feb 25th, 2014 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@37 Never mind, girlie, we get that you don't understand technology. Don't bother with any more of your brainless “comments”. I understand that you don't realise how stupid your comments show you to be. Consider this. The United States can send a spacecraft beyond the outer limits of the Solar System. The U.S. can maintain contact with that spacecraft and control it. And your little cable is better?
@42 Aaaah, yes. Here we have the vestige of intelligence. Even back in the 70s, the “device” was designed to detach if the cable was raised. And what could such a “device” do today? But, most importantly, what would the safety and the security of the Anglosphere be worth? Australia, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom. United States. The MOST IMPORTANT countries of this planet. There is no other group of countries capable of matching them. Who would care what the “plebs” thought? Slanty-eyed natives, Russian barbarians, latam losers. What have they got? NOTHING. “Vestige” is just a useless wannabe. “I'm important. You must pay attention. We demand you pay attention”. Squish!
The cable will come in to the EU via Portugal but as its the EU I guess we will have access to it too & as we know we share & share alike with our Five Eyes friends :-)
Feb 25th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All info should be shared,
Feb 25th, 2014 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so if this cable went ahead, and information was passed from the EU to Brazil,
is this not listening to, and passing on information abt others, the very same thing they wanted to avoid doing,
personally,
we say, save your money and look on the net, //?
besides,
the second you tell anyone , abt any one or anything, it no longer becomes a secret but 2nd hand gossip,
and it would almost certainly to have come from two ladies talking over the garden wall...lol
“Free energy” Stevie is correct up to a point and having been in a senior position with the SDH telecommunications for Powergrid in W. India there are well known techniques which CAN defeat IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES the intrinsic security in photo-optronics.
Feb 25th, 2014 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However all of that is useless because, according to Dilma, the data being sent along the cable is internet traffic and will upon meeting the eastern node point be split off into the commercial internet network and all that entails.
Surely Free energy Stevie isn’t suggesting a PN for everybody on the planet, is he? Even then the data can be intercepted by the carriers.
Whoever said “encryption” was going in the right direction.
And what possible use have two old jaw-waggers got to keep secret that the Yanks don’t know already?
@7 Brazzo, despite your barely intelligible remark “”If this cable pass through England will work and lost money“”, didn't you learn how to read ?? Go and ask for help to understand what Dilma, the FBoB hopes for : “ a cable running from the Portuguese capital Lisbon to the northeastern Brazilian of Fortaleza from next year”...NOT via England, ignoramus...
Feb 25th, 2014 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10...Brazil is STILL working on the AIDS vaccine...it's been tested on monkeys with relative success, and tests on humans should start in 2 years......but you are saying it is READY....maybe for the monkeys - and for you. Which explains all your gibberish...
Bruce is a great read with some excellent information: https://www.schneier.com/
Feb 25th, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Search for his articles on fiber optic tapping...
44 - Tell me of these “Slanty-eyed natives”. Regale me with tales of the “device” and “Apaches” flying out of the rock of Gibraltar.
Feb 26th, 2014 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do they home deliver “medication” ?
Unit 44 conqueror - “Slanty-eyed natives” spotted in ward 2, considered hostile to the Anglosphere, you're cleared to deploy the secret “tin foil” helmet.
Godspeed Cmdr Conq OBE VC PCP METH. Godspeed.
(fade to cliffs of Dover, dam busters theme)
@50 Vestige,
Feb 26th, 2014 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0At last something sensible from you(& a bit funny).
Tell me though, did you think this up yourself?
Or has one of your handlers got a sense of humour?
Keep trying.
@ 50 almost a Vestige of a thought
Feb 26th, 2014 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice try with the Dambuster’s Theme but of course the squadron was based at Scampton in Lincolnshire (617 Squadron).
They would have flown to the dams via the North Sea and the north coast of Holland and would have been 320 Km away from the White Cliffs.
As Isolde says, keep trying, we are all waiting with baited breath.
#52
Feb 26th, 2014 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0617 Squadron disbanded at RAF Lossiemouth earlier this month to reform at RAF Marham when the F-35 is delivered.
I can hardly believe I am saying this, but to be fair to V, the Dambuster's theme tune has been included in the repertoire of patriotic music played on occasions unrelated to the deeds of the Squadron, so, in the context he used it, I could not argue with him.
Don't assume on my goodwill on other occasions !
52 - Location doesn't matter in conq's world, Churchill speaks to him. Tells him to ignore the details.
Feb 26th, 2014 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Conq old boy, you must fight them on the beaches, you must fight them in the streets...they must never make you take your medication”
@ 53 Clyde15
Feb 26th, 2014 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who are you extending your goodwill to?
I wonder, given the problems with the F35 whether we will see any delivered anytime soonish?
I do hope it doesn’t turn out to be another Lockheed Starfighter, you know, the one that killed a lot of German pilots and was grounded by them in 1966.
#52
Feb 26th, 2014 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, so wrapped up in my own thoughts, I should have made the statement less ambiguous... a clue...it begins with V.
The F-35 will come good eventually, the problem is the spiralling costs.
So much has been invested in it that it cannot afford to fail. There is no alternative except going retrograde and upgrading the Super Hornet.
However, that production line is about to close.
The F-104 was designed as a point interceptor with a woeful endurance.
The USAF got rid of them quickly as they were pretty useless in their air defence role. You would have needed thousands to cover the US continent in any depth.
The F-104 was purchased initially by Germany as a nuclear strike aircraft....not in it's original design specs. This role quickly fell through.
It could go like the hammers at low level but was not the most forgiving of aircraft.
It' s landing speed was about 180 mph and needed a lot of runway to stop.
I managed a visit to Leuchars when the Italians visited 43 Sqd. The Italians were flying the F-104S which was the best version. I had a talk with their CO and he said it was like driving a vintage sports car....great fun, but he did not want to have to fight in one. His aircraft was painted in Ferrari's racing colours complete with the prancing horse. It looked beautiful. The leading edges of it's wing was sharp enough to cut you !
However, they never won an engagement with the RAF's Phantoms during the time they were there.
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