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Israel PM expected in Buenos Aires for anniversary of embassy bombing
The Argentine government has suspended dialogue with Iran, heralding a shift in policy that coincides with improved relations with Israel that includes a visit this month by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIf the background to this diplomatic backflip weren't so tragic it would be comical. Will anyone ever stand trial for the two bombings I wonder? Of course, if we believe Itzak Aviran, most of the perpetrators have already been whacked...
Mar 01st, 2014 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Knowing Israel what Itzak Aviran says is probably nearer the truth.
Mar 01st, 2014 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0An ugly extended court trial with a 20 year incarceration, or the Mossad or Kidon assassin solving the problem instantaneously. Hmmm...
Mar 01st, 2014 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tinman is a disgrace to his family, his country, his religion and political position.
Netanyahu needs to get to grips with where “friends” might be. It isn't in two-faced, lying latam.
Mar 01st, 2014 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hassan Rouhani was the master mind he is still alive.
Mar 01st, 2014 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems that Israel's arms dealing with The Dark Country is still available as long as TMBOA has upfront cash.
Mar 01st, 2014 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha, ha, ha.
CASH!
Ha, ha, ha.
(3) Chicureo
Mar 01st, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What does a Retired Catholic Chilean Navy Officer know about what or who'm constitutes a disgrace for the Jewish religion?
7
Mar 01st, 2014 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Signing a memorandum of understanding with the Iranian chancellor in Ethiopia on the holocaust day..
Pinedo must have touched a nerve about Timermans chip over his shoulder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NndO35LPoIA
Self victimization on the order of day by Timerman. LOL,
Timerman's opinion on Cuba a decade ago...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NndO35LPoIA
@4 Conqueror
Mar 02nd, 2014 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's debatable whether Israel actually has friends so much as 'strategic allies'. They contributed considerable assistance to apartheid-era South Africa's nuclear weapons development in the seventies for instance.
@5 CD2
Alberto Nisman claimed last year that Rouhani took no part in the National Security Council meeting where the AMIA bombing plot was hatched. I'd be interested to know why you believe otherwise since you seem to know all kinds of interesting stuff about...everything lol.
@7 Think
You might recall Pope Francis, in 2005, in his more humble guise as Cardinal Bergoglio, signing a petition calling for justice in the AMIA bombing case. I think that particular RC's conscience is a lot clearer than your Argentine-Ukranian- Jewish Foreign Minister. JMO of course.
He obviously knew about it being a high ranking official in the Iranian intelligence. Other than the testimony of the Iranian defector's testification in 2006 pointing at Rouhani himself, the fact that Rouhani is unaccountable because wasn't in the meeting of the Iranian Omure Vijeh that day it is dubious.
Mar 02nd, 2014 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I dont know, there is other heavy weights in of the regime in Teheran like Gen. Ahmed Vahidi that are suspected. But in all fairness the whole thing has being completaly politizised and covered up and mixed up for so long it seems pretty vague that any of the high perpetrators would face any sort of justice, but I dont quite understand why Nisman claims that appart from the lack of evidence to prove otherwise.
@10
Mar 02nd, 2014 - 05:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree it's unlikely Rouhani wouldn't at least know about it just because he wasn't actually in the room at the time - too important an operation for him not to.
I thought Nisman's statement might have been influenced by all the other diplomatic moves at the time - and Rouhani becoming President, but he seems to be pretty independent so... who knows? The whole affair is an enigma - where did that $400 000 Judge Galeana offered come from? And Menem's Swiss bank account?
TWIMC
Mar 02nd, 2014 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting to see posters (10) and (11) discussing in such assertive and self-assured terms the AMIA bombing..., an incident that has, during the last 20 years, puzzled the best brains of some 20 countries intelligence services...
Especially when the very same two posters were, quite recently, so easily fooled by the evidently false story about Mme. President Michelle Bachelet’s “Twit” against Venezuela’s President…. served to us by mendacious MercoPress….
@12 Think
Mar 02nd, 2014 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Assertive? Self-assertive? Why thank you El Think, I'll definitely take that. And...you do realise the term 'intelligence services' is often an oxymoron dontcha? Plus they usually they have an agenda, whereas I'm just an inquisitive nobody free to speculate... and a threat to no-one.
(13) Heisenbergcontext
Mar 02nd, 2014 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's more like it... !
That makes two of us, inquisitive nobodies... :-)
Well I suppose the question on every argentine lips will be,
Mar 02nd, 2014 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will CFK thank Israel PM Benjamin Netanyahu
For his full backing on the Falklands,
And for his military help…lol
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If its true Cristinita is getting close to Israel it would be a big mistake, and I say that as someone who people here must know is rather supportive of her. But its such a big “if” that perhaps I shouldn't even bother to mention it, as this article is just a hodgeopodge of chatter and no real scoop. Meanwhile we have an article saying Argentina is moving to “orthodox economics” just because a combination of its reasonableness and the concessions from its opponents are letting it finally make deals that move it on from the disastrous consequences of Menem's neoliberal orthodoxy. And we have an article (which I saw too late to respond to - been gone the last week or two alas) casually describing a Kirchnerist leader as a “brownshirt”; very few governments, anywhere in the world, most of them opposed by me, can be seriously said to have “brownshirts”, that is fascists - though the west seems currently to be risking a new cold war or even a hot war on behalf of the one government actually installed by fascists, in Ukraine. And Think at #12 reveals a totally false “scoop” that Bachelet had come out against Maduro - again I missed that one in my absence, though I doubt I'd have been taken in =) So now we have this article, with the big reveal that Israel will be represented (whether by Netanyahu or not, the article doesn't seem to agree with itself) at the anniversary, which short of the most extreme boycott is to be expected, and Iran isn't currently being too co-operative; a shame, but this was always a tough case. The gaffe by the diplomat who says the suspects have been murdered seems more relevant, and the Israeli government response that its a difference of opinion pathetic - its a point of fact! So a major realignment with apartheid Israel, the world's worst rogue state (along with its ally Saudi Arabia), would be a big mistake, but for now I think my biggest difference with Cristinita remains TV shows - I didn't really like the couple of Game of Thrones' I saw =)
Mar 03rd, 2014 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Mar 03rd, 2014 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Um...it's not the West who are currently occupying Crimea. It was ethnic-Russian riot police who killed 100 Ukranian protestors, not to mention engaging in a bit of exra-curricular torture.
And as for Israel being the world's “worst rogue state” - since any list of 'rogue states' would have to include North Korea I'd be interested in what criteria you used to determine this status.
p.s. You do understand that the phrase 'rogue state' is a neo-con invention don't you?
#17 Heisenberg, or is that Walt? If I'd had the space in the last comment I'd have said I was really into Breaking Bad, in contrast with Game of Thrones =) So on one thing we may be closer than me and Cristinita!
Mar 03rd, 2014 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I know rogue state started as a neocon term, but we can appropriate these things =) Saudi, Israel, North Korea and the US can all be described as such. In Ukraine, the Jewish community and ethnic Russians are very worried about the composition of the western backed mobs that installed the new government, as well they might be given the Sovoba, Right Sector, “national anarchists” and other forces openly celebrate the Nazi collaborators who actually perpetrated some of the worst of the final solution on Ukrainian soil. Of course there's also a (neo)liberal element to the protests, and Yanukovich himself handled the situation very badly it seems, but now the west really should engage with Russia to put the Nazi element back in their box - they were our enemies too in 1941 after all! Rather than pushing a second Crimean war - would the militarists on this forum really welcome another charge of the light brigade?!
@18
Mar 03rd, 2014 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope, my name is not inspired by a fictional crystal-meth chemist. Promise.
Again, you haven't provided a reason why consider Israel a worse rogue state than, say, The Hermit Kingdom, or even why you consider it a rogue state in the first place.
Anti-semitism was always part of the fabric of Eastern Europe - the pogroms were a way of throwing the peasants and serfs a bone whenever they showed signs of restlessness. And, in the face of Soviet oppression it was inevitable that some Ukranians would side with the Nazi's. The fighting in that part of the world during WW2 was so desperate and bitter that just about every conceivable atrocity took place there.
I don't see the Ukranian protestors as being inspired by either neo-fascism or even nationalism. They simply want a govt that respects there wishes and honours it's promises.
Yanukovich was a flagrantly corrupt leader living in opulent splendor while the nation is teetering on bankruptcy and in thrall to Russia. The protestors want to be part of Europe. And I believe the rest of the world should support them.
19
Mar 03rd, 2014 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Ukrainians desperately need to develop their own oil and gas to be economically independent from the “pipeline cartel” of Russia. Lucky by chance they started the revolution when winter is finishing, Putin is going to increase the prices to keep Kiev well under his thumb
@20
Mar 03rd, 2014 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's Putin's favourite tactic. And an effective one thus far.
#19 So you support Israel but make excuses for actual holocaust perpetrators - nice mix!!!
Mar 03rd, 2014 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22
Mar 03rd, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's all you've got to say? Sheesh...
I'm not making excuses for anyone - I'm simply providing a context. People frequently didn't have a choice in choosing sides. Acting on principle in the environments I've noted was likely to get you killed. People were reduced to cannibalism during the Nazi/Soviet war in Ukraine for crissakes.
And it was by no means confined to Ukraine. I've seen pictures of Latvian peasants laughing while a German Nazi officer bayoneted a Jewish baby. Many Jews were murdered when returning to Poland AFTER having survived the Death Camps.
And where did I say I support Israel? I'm simply asking you how you come to determine Israel's 'rogue nation' status. A perfectly reasonable question I think.
And I doubt Ukrainian Jews are likely to see Russia as a saviour. Russian ant-semitism never really ended. The U.S.S.R. made it as difficult as possible for Russian Jews to migrate to Israel as they could and provided considerable assistance to the very people - Egypt, Syria - who would have been happy to continue what the Nazi's failed ( not for trying ) in doing the first time.
I have many problems with Israeli conduct on many subjects none of which are relevant in this discussion. I also have problems with people who make remarks like you have and are unable, or unwilling, to provide anything concrete - or relevant - to defend them.
This weekends developments finally put the NAIL IN THE COFFIN of the West's oh-so supposedly hard-core belief in SELF-DETERMINATION.
Mar 03rd, 2014 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here we have a situation where another country (Russia) is giving citizens of Crimea the right to self-determination, because the vast majority are RUSSIANS AN WANT TO BE RUSSIAN.
In the meantime, the BRITISH, FRENCH, AMERICANS, GERMANS, and all others, are DENYING THE CRIMEANS SELF-DETERMINATION, and want to force those people to live under the Ukranian boot.
Yet in WESTERN UKRAINE, the West demands that does people (pro-Europe) have the right to topple a government, and even break away from the Ukraine, for the sake of “Self-determination”.
So once again, the adage “all people are entitled to self-determination, but some people have more self-determination than others”, proves right!
And the most damning thing of all is that the Pecksniffian duplicity exposed here is not occurring in two different geo-political examples (i.e Falklands vs Chagos), its happening in the same example within the SAME COUNTRY!!!
Cased closed. Self-determination does not exist. It is just a political ploy for expansionism by the WEST.
Utterly emetic. Europeans and North Americans are worse than Russians or Chinese. No values whatsoever. A joke of humanity. Nothing but covetous, rapacious, ignoble imperialists. Who then deny they are so.
I'm going to the restroom now to PUKE.
@24
Mar 03rd, 2014 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really shouldn't drink so much Tobias. I don't think it agrees with you.
I will not tolerate responses such as the above today.
Mar 03rd, 2014 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You cannot dispute my arguments can't you???? Why are the people of West-Ukraine allowed to topple the government and have a choice, but the people of Crimea (SAME COUNTRY, SAME MOMENT IN TIME), are supposed to sit down and shut up and not be allowed a choice?
PLEASE ELUCIDATE TO ME HOW THIS WESTERN LOGIC IN THIS CASE WORKS, BECAUSE I REALLY ESCAPES MY MONSTROUS INTELLECT.
HOW DOES IT WORK?
26 A_neuTroll_Observer
Mar 03rd, 2014 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First of, what has this to do with Israel,
2, no one is holding the Crimean’s hostage
These things in the east can get complicated,
Some say the EU inactivity did not help,
Some say, the government went against the people, and thus caused this,
Some say, Russia is only defending its own interests,
The Crimean leader asked the Russians to come,
It will be solved diplomatically,
Unless some fool starts shooting,
What will be,, will be,
In the meantime will CFK become great friends with the Israelis..
Just an opinion..
CFK just makes efficient use of resources. I was just thinking about that as Dilma was recently in Europe. I have noticed that virtually all Latin American presidents have in the last time met with Europeans either there or at home. I cannot recall the last time CFK met with a European leader or visited a European nation.
Mar 04th, 2014 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The once most European nation in the Americas, now does not even have relations with Europe. How times change!
@26
Mar 04th, 2014 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah c'mon - you hardly ever bother responding to my posts and on the rare occasion you do it's invariably under the collective 'you lot' or some such in tones haughty enough to rival a Parisian. And I'm far from convinced that you actually believe any of that nonsense you wrote in @24.
Many of the protestors were articulate young students - you don't see anything of yourself reflected in them? Russians make up 17% of the population of Ukraine but their influence far exceeds that relatively small number. They have been lobbying vigorously for years to make Russian the second official language of the nation. This is not what most citizens of Ukraine want.
Russians already make up the majority in Crimea ( 60% ). You can't seem to make up your mind whether they are Russian, Ukrainian-Russians or Crimeans. How are they are being denied self-determination? If they see themselves as being exclusively Russian what are they doing living in a foreign country?
And how is the West exercising imperialism in Ukraine? It's Russian troops that are now occupying Ukraine ( and ransacking government offices, in time-honoured fashion, as the footage I have recently seen demonstrates ) and issuing ultimatums to the Ukrainian armed forces who have not threatened or harmed any ethnic Russians.
As far as I can tell Ukrainian Russians are more interested in protecting their own interests, which are aligned with Russia, than having anything invested in what is in the best interests of Ukraine - the country they actually live in.
No I do not see anything of myself reflected in them because the Ukranians, like most people in the world apparently, want to be part of some larger international community: some to Europe, some to Russia.
Mar 04th, 2014 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0We Argentines want complete isolationism, no more dealings with anyone in the world.
The Crimeans are being denied self-determination because the government they supported was toppled by other people who were granted self-determination by the EU, and because Crimea was incorrectly “handed over” to the Ukraine.
There is a difference between Crimea and ethnic Russians in the rest of Ukraine. There, no, they have no right to self-determination as THEY moved there. But Crimea is particular.
@30
Mar 04th, 2014 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Crimea is already an autonomous republic within the Ukrainian State. Yanukovych is indeed a legitimately elected leader but if there were provisions within the Ukrainian parliament that allowed for removal of the President for anything other than treason he wouldn't be.
He is worth an estimated $11 billion despite having rarely worked outside of public office. He is a major despite never having served in the military. He has convictions ( and five years of incarceration ) for assault and burglary. He has a long list of academic qualifications that he never actually studied for, and is credited with another long list of publications which don't actually exist.
He is a corrupt thug and now a mass murderer unworthy of being a leader of anything other than an organised crime gang. For which he is eminently qualified.
If the people of Crimea want to be completely independent I have no problem with that but I can't think of any justification for Russian armed forces to be there. And instead of complaining about Yankovych's removal they should instead be questioning how this prick became President in the first place.
@ A_neuTroll_Observer
Mar 04th, 2014 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have been following this thread with some interest.
“We Argentines want complete isolationism, no more dealings with anyone in the world. ”
Who gave you the right to make this, and many other, foolish pronouncements on behalf of a nation of diverse opinions?
At least many other posters can form arguements in context and back them up.
Also I notice from this and other threads you absolutely love to imperiously announce 'case closed', when it blatantly is not.
You couldn't close a briefcase....
#30
Mar 04th, 2014 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We Argentines want complete isolationism, no more dealings with anyone in the world. ”
There is absolutely no evidence of this. Argentina is a natural resource driven economy dependent on international trade. May I remind you that after Brazil, the EU is your second largest trading partner. A partner who also imports a lot more from you than it exports.
“The Crimeans are being denied self-determination because the government they supported was toppled by other people who were granted self-determination by the EU, and because Crimea was incorrectly “handed over” to the Ukraine. ”
I don't see any evidence the Crimean people are being denied self-determination. Russia sent troops with no insignia (!!!) to seize key assets before invading and now threatening Ukrainian military forces with “destruction”.
Referring to the wider issue of whether Crimea should ever have been given to Russia, thats more tricky. Ethnic Russians were in a minority in Crimea in the early 20th Century, what followed over the next 50 years was the systematic deportation of non-Russians (particularly the Crimean Tartars who were effectively ethnically cleansed).
However, I agree that self-determination probably trumps such issues in the 21st century and would support a referendum. However, that does not justify Russia's invasion and bellicose attitude particularly when the pretext (defending the ethnic Russians from violence) has absolutely nothing backing it up.
#23 “That's all you've got to say? Sheesh...”
Mar 04th, 2014 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was in a hurry, plus I was angry at your comment - I've seen people standing up for Palestinian human rights traduced as anti-semites too many times to let it pass when someone denying that Israel is a rogue state then starts implying that actual Nazi collaborators who committed much of the final solution were simply fighting “Soviet oppression”, and no that's not because I think there was no oppression under Stalin, before you ask. Anyway to your main point/question:
“Again, you haven't provided a reason why consider Israel a worse rogue state than, say, The Hermit Kingdom, or even why you consider it a rogue state in the first place”
I'd go over the character limit if I started to list everything I think is rogue with Israel, but surely to call a country that has no borders or electoral districts in order to facilitate territorial expansionism, has no nationality just “Jewish” and “Arab” to discriminate between its citizens, is in the 47th year of illegally occupying land, was founded on ethnic cleansing and still today is trying to ethnically cleanse the Bedouins and Palestinian families (many of them Christians) in East Jerusalem today, can be fairly described as a rogue state. And that's without even mentioning the wars!
“And it was by no means confined to Ukraine”
Where did I say it was? Latvian nationalism remains particularly shocking
“The U.S.S.R...provided considerable assistance to the very people - Egypt, Syria - who would have been happy to continue what the Nazi's failed”
Absolute rubbish
“I have many problems with Israeli conduct on many subjects”
Pray tell, what are they??
#31 “He is a corrupt thug and now a mass murderer unworthy of being a leader of anything other than an organised crime gang. For which he is eminently qualified”
I'll take your word on that....Heisenberg =)
@34 BK
Mar 04th, 2014 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've read many Holocaust memoirs, including Primo Levi's first two books on this subject. I've also read many descriptions of how Jews were treated before , during and after WW2 and the Final Solution and I find it all sickening. I'm also aware that I wasn't there at the time. I don't know what it's like to have lived with a boot on my neck generation after generation. What does that do to your moral compass? Would I have done any differently? How can I judge given the choices available to the people who lived in Ukraine at the time?
I agree with some of the things you say about Israeli conduct and could add a few you haven't considered for good measure. However...for that phrase 'rogue state' to have any real currency and using North Korea as the template, Israel is nowhere near being in the same realm IMO. Nothing Israel has done comes even close. For that matter nothing Israel has done approximates what it's neighbour, Syria, is now engaged in.
I guess you're unaware of the chemical weapons Nasser was developing in the sixties. Not to mention the warehouses full of AK-47's and other Soviet weaponry Israel harvested from the Six-Day and Yom Kippur war battlefields.
And.. very glib. If you doubt Yanukovych is indeed a corrupt thug etc...say so. I'll happily debate the subject with you. And, if that's what you're implying, I don't think I need to have intimate knowledge of a continuing criminal enterprise to have a pretty good idea of what would be required to run it.
#30
Mar 04th, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about handing Crimea back to the TATARS . Russia stole the country from them.
” Russia violated the treaty and annexed the Crimean Khanate in 1783. After the annexation, many Crimean Tatars were massacred and exiled into Siberia and under pressure of Slavic colonization, Crimean Tatars began to abandon their homes and move to the Ottoman Empire in continuing waves of emigration. Particularly, the Crimean War of 1853–1856, the laws of 1860–63, the Tsarist deliberate policy of annihilating Crimean Tatar existence in Crimea and the Russo-Turkish War (1877–78) caused an exodus of the Crimean Tatars. Of total Tatar population 300,000 of the Taurida Governorat about 200,000 Crimean Tatars emigrated.
Not so simple, is it!
It is not who gave me the right to claim Argentines want isolationism, it is what the facts are. And Europeans are not our partners, they are our enemies.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go sign treaties with Brazil and the other Mercosur members, you are not going to get anything out of Argentina.
You are just bad people. And I mean bad in the basic sense of the word, just not people that have any interest in equal to equal relations. You want to impose and dominate. No change in 2000 years from that behavior.
@37
Mar 05th, 2014 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are so incredibly unbalanced you must wobble when you walk.
I find you hysterically amusing. Thanks for making us all laugh at your insanity. Keep up the work, just too funny!!!
#37
Mar 05th, 2014 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You want to impose and dominate”.
The stock phrase from Argentina....“We demand”. In the English language this means that you wish to impose.
Sort your own dung heap out before criticizing others.
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