MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Britain's new 'governor of the Falkland islands' is a provocation
By Alicia Castro, Argentine ambassador in London - Ms Castro writes a column in The Guardian to complain about the appointment of Colin Roberts as the next Falkland Islands governor and unearths some Wikileaks cables referred to the incoming governor's attitude regarding the Chagos islanders forced eviction, and plans to ensure they will never be returned by declaring the vast area a 'marine park' allegedly questioned by US diplomacy. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWe love you Alicia; keep it up. Keep telling everyone in London what you think about them and the Falklands and make sure you stick it right up our new Governor. CFK must be so proud of you.
Mar 04th, 2014 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I once met Roberts at the Foreign Office, and I do not have a fond recollection of our meeting. His conduct towards me, as the ambassador of my country, was akin to that one might expect from an official of the empire, scolding his subjects.”
Mar 04th, 2014 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- it almost brings tears to my eyes - of laughter that is!!!
I once met Castro not far from the Foreign Office and I do not have a fond recollection of our meeting. Her conduct towards me, as an invited delegate, was akin to that one might expect from a witch from a Nursery Rhyme scolding her mortals.
Mar 04th, 2014 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0interesting how when the malvinas residents are at the core of a subject they victimise themselves and cry about “self-determination” and evil bully argentina wanting to evict them from their home - this when 60% of them have been on the islands for 10 years or less.
Mar 04th, 2014 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yet when this sort of situation presents itself to other people / communities they mock those who denounce it.
4 Troneas
Mar 05th, 2014 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The old Chagossian link eh? Makes no sense and has no connection with the Falklands but you keep on with it. After all, it's as likely to be as good as any other argument you Malvinistas have in support of your bogus claim.
There was one thing I did like about Alicia that evening though , apart from her 7 Series BMW (ARG 1) that is, and that was that she didn't stay long.
Chuckle chuckle
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Mar 05th, 2014 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even if your suspect figures are correct a proportion of that 60% you mentioned will be children who's fathers father's fathers etc had roots on the islands along with the others 40% of falklanders who may have lived there a lifetime.
Wake up Argentina and behave in a mature manner you are educated people. Welcome the falklanders, work together and exchange ideas, who knows in 50 years time a new generation may vote in favour of Argentina.... imagine the possibilities!
Quote: One element that is striking, however, is that the UK, which refuses to resolve the dispute and aims to justify the continued occupation of the Islands by invoking the right to self-determination for the current British inhabitants... Unquote
Mar 05th, 2014 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm confused, didn't the former PM resolve the dispute in the 1980s? I faintly remember that there was some protracted heated negotiations that involved a lot of delegates on both sides, including a few Nepalese. I can't quite remember the exact details, but I do remember the Argentine delegation won a free cruise on the QE2...
The situation in the Ukraine settles once and for all the myth of the benevolent, human-rights loving, self-determination oriented West.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The West is only concerned in expansionism.
As it has been since Romulus and Remus founded Rome.
A leopard can't change its stripes after all.
Argentina's appointee in 1982 was a bigger provocation !
Mar 05th, 2014 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Chicureo
Mar 05th, 2014 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your wit has been sorely missed.
@8 A_NeuTroll_Observer
The facts don't support your observation(s): leopards don't have stripes.
They do in Argentina. Here, leopards/pumas have stripes. Sorry if you can't accept other countries may be different than yours.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11
Mar 05th, 2014 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mea culpa...
Before a houndread of over analyzed comments of Castro's comments floods in, I would like to know if apart from this rethoric and empty words ... What is this woman paid for doing in London the most expensive city in the world??
Mar 05th, 2014 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13
Mar 05th, 2014 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not much. But that's not her fault. There are no actual partners there to have an embassy for. I see no point in the embassy.
6 cheekychulo
Mar 05th, 2014 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0That means behaving maturely? Defend the interests and wishes of the islanders, that's be mature? No sir ..! We defend our interests and it is obviously not the same as the desire of the island, that's why I constantly get fussy with Argentina, since we ignore their silly prayers. Do not make the same mistake that Spain, which should never lift the blockade of Gibraltar. At most only have that silly air contact with the mainland and if we decide to end with this, we will without hesitation. They will say that they will soon be able to travel to Santa Elena, where they want to go to the moon if they wish ..! But South America may not step to go to the islands, it's that easy question.
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Mar 05th, 2014 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0To write letters she can do it from BsAs... In fact we are already paying Timerman and now Filmus to do so. She was ambassador to Chavez for some years... She surely must have a lot to do with the corruption of parallel embassy.
Then lets petition for the useless embassy in London to close.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am all in for that measure.
Well....for once i have to agree with you, Galuccio already went around there a week ago passing the hat and nothing happened XD!
Mar 05th, 2014 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0All embassies in European capitals should be shutdown due to being marginal diplomatic outposts from Argentina's point of view. Any requests by the Euros should be rerouted to Reykjavik, which should remain open so that any European should not be much inconvenienced.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 019
Mar 05th, 2014 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah and what about the “Embajada paralela” in VZLA...Antonini Wilson scandal and all the shady dealings that have being done for years between Kircher and Chavez??
Who is ever going to dig into that nest of corruption of two that involves to very powerful heads of state?? Both of them are dead. I dont know if we were ever paying a 14% interest rate to any European creditor country like we are doing to VZLA... Yep that was the one eyed and his friend
But at least we don't owe it to Europe. 14% is not good but not disastrous, and if the government in Venezuela changes we can just simply cease payments of the debt in protest over the deposing of Bolivarianism.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Win-win either way.
Tobias 2015!
Mar 05th, 2014 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a hypocrite, she pretends to be sympathetic to the Chagos Islands former population and denounces their treatment, but wants to do the same to the Falkland Islanders.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0She says that the Islands have needed decolonisation since 1833. Well for years Argentinas main complaint was that Britain HAD decolonised the Islands in 1833, so bloody make up your mind. Did it decolonise the Islands in 1833 or didn't it?
Just about everything is a “provocation” to Argentina when it comes to the Falklands.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the UK is breaching International Law, Madam, take it to Court...
Mar 05th, 2014 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Singapore is the most expensive city in the world...
Mar 05th, 2014 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“”“What a hypocrite”“”
Mar 05th, 2014 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0It has been pretty conclusively shown that hypocrisy is impossible for an Argentine - it is a trait only exhibited by “the west” and/or “Anglos”.
If you look hard enough you will find it is written into the Argentine constitution... pretty much everything else is as well (Subject to change on a daily basis mind you).
@13 Cabenzadura2
Mar 05th, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0London isn't even in the top ten most expensive cities according to the Guardian (it goes Singapore, Paris, Oslo, Zurich, Sydney, Caracas, Geneva, Melbourne, Tokyo, Copenhagen).
I have to say that I believe the only reason that the UK hasn't declared Ambush Alicia persona non grata and hoof her and her brand of slow-motion-car-crash diplomacy is that if she's CFK's first choice for a diplomat, exactly how bad would her second choice be? Vlad the impaler? Genghis Khan?
So when the Argentines sneaked upon the islands whilst everybody was in bed sleeping an filmed an advert where a work out took place on a memorial - that wasn't provocation no?
Mar 05th, 2014 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The new Governor of the islands has fk all to do with this washed up old hag. Sod diplomacy, close the embassy down and send her packing.
#11
Mar 05th, 2014 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The quotation you posted incorrectly is from the Bible Jeremiah 13.23...
“Can an Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots”
As to Leopards in Argentina OR S.America. Where do you find them ?
The leopard ..panthera pardus is native to Africa and Asia NOT S.A., and has a spotted coat
The Jaguar panthera onca is native to S.A. and does not have stripes, neither does the puma.
I would be interested if you could direct me to pictures of a striped Jaguar.
@30 Clyde15
Mar 05th, 2014 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed I have seem Jaguars up close and they are definitely spotted.
However, we all know that Tobias cannot EVER admit to being wrong, so he is now trawling the internet looking for something, ANYTHING, that backs his claim.
Then he'll either not come back on this thread or DIVERT, DIVERT, DIVERT.
I wonder which it will be?
As regards to Castro, one had to wonder what Argentina would do if the UK truly provocted them?
It could be interesting to find out, though I doubt Argentina would enjoy it one bit.
She's the best ex-officio Ambassador for the Falklands we could have; thoroughly representing ( through CFK's advisors) the ineptness of her government and making a laughing stock of Argentina's current diplomatic services. Still, it's the comedy of errors that keeps newspapers going, so that at least employs some people.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 030 & 31
Mar 05th, 2014 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A striped jaguar : )
http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/22775/Jag_1-L.jpg
@33 Trunce!
Mar 05th, 2014 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ROFLMAO!!!
A perfect example of a striped jaguar, I stand (partially) corrected. I would add, however, that the stripes on this one could be changed....
Perharps the ex air stewardess was a bit more than a “friend” of the late tyrant Hugo Chavez while she was the ambassador in Caracas...
Mar 05th, 2014 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/765750-alicia-castro-una-chavista-de-alto-vuelo
Her daughter in London is learning the tricks of the trade from her mum. She has the DNA of a climber
@ 34
Mar 05th, 2014 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still waiting to the Argie version from DSM-5 DID @11.
striped jaguars
Mar 05th, 2014 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.uar.com.ar/equipos_uar/default.asp?idcategoria=11
striped pumas
http://www.uar.com.ar/equipos_uar/default.asp?idcategoria=11
So basically her argument is “you screwed over the Chargossians so make up for it by screwing over the Falkland Islanders”.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”points Castro out the UK is breaching international law (for refusing to bilateral talks to address the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty issue)”
Seriously how many times is she going to repeat the same lies. The UK is not in breach of any International laws just ask the UN you moron.
@ 37
Mar 05th, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looking at their record - pussycats? ; )
@30
Mar 05th, 2014 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.abc.com.py/imagenes/2012/03/22/mombeur-nehesaijo-384765_432_464_1.jpg
In Argentina, and somewhat in Paraguay, we DO NOT CALL Pumas what you call pumas, Jaguars what you call jaguars, and leopards what you call leopards. In fact what you call jaguars can either be pumas, jaguaretes, or onzas, three different subspecies. And even a pantera negra if all black.
Neither do we call guanacos what you call guanacos, but rather vickunas.
Neither do we call crocodile what you call crocodile, but rather yacare.
But of course, the only nomenclature that counts to the Brits, is the Brit based nomenclature of creatures. Yet more proof of imperialism.
Gotcha!!
So you see my ILLITERATE fiends, I'm three steps ahead of you always, my indefatigable intellect and empyreal perspicaciousness are indomitable and inexorably constants of the universe.
@40
Mar 05th, 2014 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troll, the person that calls a spade a timber, mineral hybrid excavation implement.
“The team acquired the nickname ”Pumas“, from a local journalist after their first tour match, a defeat on 8 May to Rhodesia in Salisbury 17–12. The book ”Be Pumas“ recalls the Wackley Farmer of Rhodesia magazine commenting on the emblem embroidered on the tourists' jerseys was like a puma – rather than a jaguar.”
Mar 05th, 2014 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina_national_rugby_union_team
It will be seen that the team emblem is clearly a jaguar.
Rest assured Madame Castro if you came face to face with me in the streets of London you would also find me deeply offencive,hearing the truth can often be quite painful.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0trunce
Mar 05th, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it is a yaguareté. a local version.
and yes, their last performances were not the best, but they are playing against the best 3 every year.
it is just a question of time (1 or 2 years) to be between the best 5 or 6 of the world again.
@44
Mar 05th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Imteresting, but even with the three subspecies referred by @40. They aint got the stripes he states @11 : )
@ A_neuTroll_Observer We are discussing the ginger bird you call an ambassador not fooooking crocks or large cats.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whether the Brits believe or not believe is irrelevant.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina, a diplomat is a person sent abroad to put on a show for the domestic audience. No wonder they never get anywhere.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48
Mar 05th, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would it matter, what foreigners think? Getting anywhere? You never get anywhere with evil foreigners (non-Argentines). So you might as well have diplomats that serve the national audience.
Kind of pointless having one that attempts diplomacy with outsiders whose starting point of negotiations with Argentina is it's destruction.
@45
Mar 05th, 2014 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back on topic. Iwould miss Alicia, she is a amusing. I recall her fumbling Sky News interview - especially her attempt (@ 10:45 mins) to show that a majority in the Telegraph Poll asking whether F alklands should be UK or Argie, supported the Argie position. However, she seemed unaware that In total there were 26,434 votes cast, with two thirds of the votes coming from Argentina, following a social media campaign.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/10559061/Telegraph-poll-highlights-differences-between-Britain-and-Argentina-over-Falkland-Islands.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/10559061/Telegraph-poll-highlights-differences-between-Britain-and-Argentina-over-Falkland-Islands.html
@51
Mar 05th, 2014 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you think the UK deserves actual diplomats from Argentina?
A bit inflated your self-assessment, no?
You get sent what you deserve really.
@40
Mar 05th, 2014 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, glad we got that important topic resolved about what big cats have stripes. Since you're an expert on those types of distinctive markings can you now describe what sort of stripes are on the flags flying over the Falkland Islands this morning? That's far more interesting to me. ....
@51
Mar 05th, 2014 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm assuming your post was for me, and that you have not yet taken to conversing with yourself.
“A bit inflated your self-assessment, no?”
Moi! Nooo - this is an example of inflated self assessment.....
“So you see my ILLITERATE fiends, I'm three steps ahead of you always, my indefatigable intellect and empyreal perspicaciousness are indomitable and inexorably constants of the universe.”
#30
Mar 05th, 2014 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apologies for diverging again but when I see stupid remarks made by Nostrils, I have to educate him.
Where to start !! You have just rewritten zoology text books. Congratulations.
I expect to read your discoveries in Nature where you will be plauded for your intellectual brilliance.
The naming of animal species is in accordance with the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature...NOTE...not British but INTERNATIONAL.
Following the system laid down by Carl Linnaeus, a Swede, the Latin language is used....not English. This is so scientists worldwide know exactly which animal is described instead of a plethora of local names.
Whatever you say, there is no such animal as a leopard (panther pardus)_ indigenous to the Americas and it does not have stripes.
As for the others, puma/cougar are a different species from the jaguar or leopard.
So, show me a picture of panther pardus OR panther onca with STRIPES, not kiddies illustrations. Not so bright are you !
Also for a self proclaimed genius of intellect, you cannot even quote from the Bible correctly....tut tut. All you have to do is read it...unless of course YOU are working on the new approved Nostril's version. No doubt Pope Francis will approve of your scholarship.
Maybe you are not even as intelligent as you think you are...back to school and get a proper education.
“Kind of pointless having one that attempts diplomacy with outsiders whose starting point of negotiations with Argentina is it's destruction.”
If we had wanted that, we would have done it in 1982. You are doing a good job of self destruction without our help.
You are too unimportant to bother with. All we do is listen to your intellectuals like Castro and have a good laugh.
@49
Mar 05th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who says it matters? If Argentina is determined to be seen as the nutter on the bus of the world community, it's perfectly fine by me.
@54
Mar 05th, 2014 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clyde, following research of assertions made - I have to admit, he is right, and an apology owed.
The one on the left is a leopard - centre, a puma, and right a tiger : )
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Diabrotica_undecimpunctata_howardi_and_D._barberi_and_D._virgifera_virgifera.jpg
@52
Mar 05th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have not I said 1,406,786,222,346 times the Falkland's are British and so are the rights of the islanders?
With that out of the way, why should I give a fark about the UK being from Argentina? We are not friends, allies, partners, or even strategically significant to one another. So scram.
@54
The international system does not apply in Argentina 100% of the time. We are not interested in the international community, because they have no interest in treating us with dignity.
@55
We are not part of the world community. You would think our actions would have made that clear by now. We won't be part of an organism that is set up to subjugate us and to keep the status quo of Euro-North Am domination and lack of respect for other nations (e.g. Ukraine).
@57
Mar 05th, 2014 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought you were opposed to invasions of somebody else's sovereign territory?
According to TTT the argies must be interbreeding the leopards now.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a dummy.
Did “pizza or chicken” serve the delegates?
@58
Mar 05th, 2014 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Crimeans have always been Russian. Self-determination!
Russia wants it, the UK denies it in this case. Though this time Europe and the UK have no power against Russia, unlike in 1853.
@60
Mar 05th, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Crimea has not always been Russian. It is not currently Russian, it is currently part of the sovereign state of Ukraine. Europe and the UK have been defending Ukraine's right not to have its sovereign territory invaded and seized by Russia. It is rather hard to see how defending Ukraine's right not to be invaded constitutes a lack of respect for Ukraine.
It isn't quite the same as refusing self-determination either, as anybody who wasn't already consumed by anglo-euro-phobia could see. Russian invasions, of course, tend not to be in favour of self-determination. Look up Hungary 1956 and Czechoslovakia 1968 if you haven't heard of those already.
@60 surely the easier option would let the people of crimea choose their own path, if this is the case why has russia chosen the hard path and invaded?
Mar 05th, 2014 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0clearly russia dosent believe or want the people to choose but to become another puppet state of putins ever-receding empire.
What??? Have you watched the news? In English even?
Mar 05th, 2014 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have. In English, and French, and German, and Italian, and Spanish, and Portuguese, and Dutch, and Chinese (last one with exceeding difficulty in comprehension but still).
ALL of the newscasts showed the majority of the Crimeans approve of the Russian action.
It is YOU, the Euros, who lost the Crimea for the Ukraine. By supporting the toppling of a government, you set off in motion the events within Ukraine that lead to this, because the people in Crimea are mostly Russian, Crimea was Russian prior to the 60s, and because they want to be part of Russia.
So yes, you both are denying self-determination to the Crimeans and lack respect for the Ukraine, because it was your foreign policy that precipitated it all.
So once again, as we say in Argentine Spanish, the Euros prove to be just like farm ducks: take a step, take a dump!
But hey, you are the mighty UK, with that veto power you are so fond of and have no interest in reforming for the sake of the UN's viability in resolving conflict.,. You should just go to the UNSC and demand a vote of condemnation against Russia.
I'm sure you will be able to pass it... hahahahahahaha.
@63
Mar 05th, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you've watched all the news programmes with exceeding difficulty in comprehension. an invasion doesn't constitute lack of respect, but the offer of a trade deal does?
When there's been a referendum in the Crimea supporting annexation by Russia, you might have a point. When there's been a referendum in the Ukraine as a whole supporting the secession of the Crimea, you might have another point. When Russia allows the citizens of countries on its borders to choose their own fate, you might even be right. Until then all you're doing is twisting facts to support your usual neurosis.
You avoid artlessly my asseveration: the crimeans in their majority want the Russians there.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is the Crimeans who decide if they want a referendum, not you.
@65
Mar 05th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How exactly have you established what the Crimeans want?
I watched the weekend news in 8 languages. That's all the proof I need.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67
Mar 05th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That explains a lot. Personally I prefer evidence, and the absence of Russian troops.
Too bad you did not afford the absence of troops clause to the Iraqis.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@69
Mar 05th, 2014 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Loooool, I knew it was coming! So you are opposed to foreign invasions of other people's sovereign territory, then?
@69 8 different languages and yet you are still full of sh*t.
Mar 05th, 2014 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you could have watched 50 different language news channels but your conclusion on the crimeas choice will still only be non factual at best,
can you minds read too???
65
Mar 05th, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure there are procedures under the Kiev Govt for self-determination procedures for autonomous regions within a country, as there is for Scotland and Catalonia...
I'm sure it doesn't occur by the invasion and annexation by a foreign army....
Crimea is still part of Ukraine and therefore subject to Ukraine constitution and law.......
@72
Mar 05th, 2014 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, would agree.
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Mar 05th, 2014 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well as you Argies want to talk abt zoos and animal parks, and the blog is of Alicia Castro
Mar 05th, 2014 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can we then kill two birds with one stone and suggest that Alicia Castro be kept in a zoo or a wild life animal park to look after argentines interests,
Im sure this will benefit CFK and Argentina, with the amount of visitors it will attract,
Just a behind the wire opinion..
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#60
Mar 05th, 2014 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Crimeans have always been Russian. Self-determination!
Wrong again....read your history. Oh I'm sorry, as an Argentinean you have no interest in anything outside your country so how would you know.
The Russians murdered and exiled the Cossack and Tatar population and then took over the peninsula in the 18th century.
It's funny then that the scientific community in Argentina use the International nomenclature despite your assertions to the contrary. Of course...you know better than them.
“I once met Roberts at the Foreign Office, and I do not have a fond recollection of our meeting. His conduct towards me, as the ambassador of my country, was akin to that one might expect from an official of the empire, scolding his subjects. This, had it not been offensive, would have been quite simply ridiculous.”
Mar 05th, 2014 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, some one is throwing their toys out the pram big time!!!
It sounds like a very constructive meeting to me..... Now everyone involved knows where they stand.
The British will keep doing what they want in their BOT and the argentines can butt out, 'cos it's none of their business!!!
Only the Guardian would publish this utter shite.
Mar 06th, 2014 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@76
Mar 06th, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As we know, Argentina opposes democratic choice not just in the Falklands, but also in Tibet and Taiwan as a result of its support for the One China policy.
How long until CFK, Timerman et al, piss off the Russians by coming out against democratic choice in the Crimea? Or will they try and cosy in this case, by supporting self-determination over territorial integrity?
I think we should be told.
WHO FIGHTS AGAINST COLONIALISM?.
Mar 06th, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know that some people here will insult me more than ever, after reading my lecture, but i don't want to be hypocrite, and i'll keep on saying what i have always thought.
I know that if the islanders don't want to be part from argentina, it's not because they hate us, except for a recalcitrant minority which has always despised us, but actualy if most them don't want to be integrated to our country, is mostly because they have loyalty to the u. k.
For being honest, i would feel admiration for the islanders, if they fought for being an independent country like any other, instead of claiming to remain as the last jowel of an ex empire in decadence. Every time i read that they want to remain under british government, instead of claiming to be an independent nation, i must recognize that i don't feel any admiration for them.
Despite all the horrible things that argentines suffered in different moments, we had, and have great leaders who have fought strongly against colonialism, but in many opportunities, the misserable sepoys who ruled the nation during some contexts, just became arg. into one more jowel of the british empire, or into one more u.s .a.'s backyard, in fact, although our country declared it's independence in 1816, in just a few opportunities it could be a true sovereign nation like now, without the tutelage of any powerful country.
Respecting this cause, as i have said in many of my comments, the only on way to finish with this humbled situation for arg. is to take the case to an international arbitration, because only the i. c. j. can determine whether self determination is applicable or not for this case, however, if after 1948, none of the two countries proposed again to take the case to the court, is because perhaps both aren't sure of getting a positive result. Fine deplomacy takes so much time, and only it will determine which side wins finally.
Alicia isn't the first diplomat willing to act stupidly for the perks and salary. Posting her to London in the first place was just another Argentine way of insulting the British.
Mar 06th, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#67 A_neuTroll_Observer
Mar 06th, 2014 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say a majority what the Russian's, or want to join with Russia. Fine, but it has to be decided properly.
The current planned referendum will be illegitimate. It will be boycotted by all those opposed to a union with Russia on the grounds that it is illegitimate. The vote will hugely be in favour in unification with Russia but crucially with a turn out of less than 50%. The question is, what happens then?
What should happen is that Russia should withdraw its troops immediately. New elections should be held across Ukraine and current government should agree a referendum to be held in Crimea in the near future. That election should be overseen by independent observers and the UN to ensure its legitimacy.
Do you agree? The first step clearly though is that Russia must withdraw its troops.
80 axel arg
Mar 06th, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I know that if the islanders don't want to be part from argentina, it's not because they hate us”
Why axel????
I know it's crazy isn't it?
some people would hold a grudge over just about anything?? I mean really, to even think that they would welcome argentine rule with anything other than open arms!!!! Madness!!!
Why wouldn't they want to be part of a nation that invaded them, forced their own rules upon them, stole their food, their possessions, vandalized their homes, put hand grenades in the school desks of their children and then, when they were finally kick out, left unmarked minefields strewn across half their country.
It's crazy isn't it? why these people want nothing to do with argentina?
You're right axel!!! these people don't know what they are missing!!!
@80
Mar 06th, 2014 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“actualy if most them don't want to be integrated to our country, is mostly because they have loyalty to the u. k. ”
I would imagine that they take a look at how badly Argentina runs its own country and say we would prefer to run our own lives, with minimal interference rather than have our islands destroyed by Argentine rule.
I agree that the Islanders should strive towards independence, but that's going to take some time.
And having an imperialist neighbour like Argentina is not going to persuade them to ditch their connection with the UK-the blame for that lies solely with Argentina.
NewTroll_not very observant ::
Mar 06th, 2014 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8, : “A leopard can't change its stripes after all”.
@11 : “ Here, leopards/pumas have stripes. Sorry if you can't accept other countries may be different than yours”“
First , in # 8, what ignorance, but worthy of a Troll...then yr #11, more ignorance and stubborness - a leopard is still a leopard, and does not have stripes, even in Argentina....If the animal you're thinking of has stripes, then it's something else....maybe a zebra ?? ”Think” you should go and visit the zoo !
@80 Axel
Mar 06th, 2014 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“For being honest, i would feel admiration for the islanders, if they fought for being an independent country like any other, instead of claiming to remain as the last jowel of an ex empire in decadence.”
As an independent country they have the right to determine their future and can align with whoever they choose, they choose not to be part of Argentina but to continue at the moment to be aligned the the UK.
The fact is that they are Falkland Islanders who have decided to keep their current relationship with the UK, why should that make them less admirable ?
Lets be honest if they became independent Britain could not defend them as easily as a dependent Territory (why should we spend tax pounds on an independent country?) I'm sure this is recognised by FIG and will be considered when their income exceeds £500M.
Mar 07th, 2014 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0@87
Mar 07th, 2014 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know how much Britain spends on “ Overseas Aid ”? The defence of the FALKLANDS is a drop in the ocean. The GDP of the Isle of Man should cover it.
@80
Mar 07th, 2014 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your country has the chance to take it to the ICJ,
this may well go on and on and on and on,
till one day something happens,
I think Argentina, having failed to get any more than half loyalty support from its friends, will just wait until that day ever comes and the British make a big mistake,
only time will tell,
unless we get a real backbone of a government who decides to take action first,
whatever act that may be..
@87
Mar 08th, 2014 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0” (why should we spend tax pounds on an independent country?)”
As in Iraq?
Afghanistan?
Sierra Leone?
Libya was technically independent when we spent money getting rid of Gaddaffy Duck.
Our naval operations supporting other 'independent' countries?
If the Falkland Islands become independent the UK armed forces have training opportunities there they cannot get anywhere else.
Ever heard that Falkland Island farmers complain when they don't get a low flying aircraft?
When the Argentine government stated it was their intention and moral obligation to lie to try and influence international opinion they were telling the truth.
Mar 08th, 2014 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never have inexperienced a Goverment so laden with lies and oximoron statements.
There is but one way and only one way Argentina, take the UK to the ICJ. That is the only legal route to be taken.
The UN have publicly, clearly and honestly stated that the UK is breach of none, Zero, Zilch, Nada UN mandates.
I imagine the Argentine Goverment will claim the UN is lying, and that only Argentina knows the truth and history of the world and will truthfully lie about it..... With a statement like this I will soon find a job as the President of Argentina.
My first action as president, steal all the money of the people; second action, attempt to blockade the Falklands; third action, blame the UK, international business, the US, all of Europe; forth action get some Botox; fifth action and on and on. It really is getting quite boring and quite saddening to hear the Falklanders having to succeed under such blatant hostile and misleading actions and policy from the argentine government.
Leave the Falklanders alone, they have a right to peace and to live on their islands, which have never been Argentine. Backed clearly by international law.
So for once and for all and to stop the madness, take it to the ICJ. Hop to it Argentina, the evidence proves they are not yours, but it must be resolved by law and law alone.
Pete Bog.
Mar 08th, 2014 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I loved the low flying aircraft comment!
PERSONALY, I THINK Alicia Castro should be booted out of the UK, as she is a danger to her own brain,
Mar 09th, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is definitely unstable, deluded, brainwashed, and desperate for South American comfort,
How this lunatic is allowed to rant and rave here, is someone’s loony idea of a joke...
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PETE BOG.
Mar 09th, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Respecting what you said in your comment 80, i can only tell you that beyond the serious problems that arg. has always had, if my country and the u. k. are called to find a negotiated solution for this conflict, it should be respected, and you know it because you aren't stupid, beside, i don't think that neather your u. k., nor all the rest of the nations in the world are paradises without hard problems.
If the right to self determination is applicable or not for this case, it only can be determined by an international arbitration, both countries have very different opinions respecting this issue. As far as i'm concerned, i have always thought that the application of that principle is very arguable for this cause. You all can keep on repeating what the charter from the u.n. says in relation to self determination and it's application, which is actualy a partial truth, because beyond what that charter says, this case has always been considered like a special case by the decolonization committee since 1965, beside, none of the resolutions that refer to this cause, say absolutly anything about the application of that right for the population from the islands, in contrary to what happened with other colonial situations, where self determination was invoked in the resolutions. Beside, the situation didn't change not even after the result of the referendum.
However, if after 1948, none of the two countries proposed again to take the question to the i.c . j., is because perhaps both aren't sure of getting a positive result if the case is analized at the court.
On the other hand, i want to answer you now, something i couldn't tell you a few weeks ago, respecting one of your comments. I already knew that if the u. k. decided to negotiate with arg. in 1968, 1974, and 1980, was because of economic reasons, for this fact, and for everything i have always said about this case, i have always thought that the case has strong ansd weak aspects for both parts.
The solution to the conflict was found in 1982.
Mar 09th, 2014 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina lost the conflict.
It's over. Deal with it.
@94 - Axel, it is for Argentina to raise their case to the ICJ. The Falklands are an Self Governing overseas territory of the UK. Proven in law and historical fact.
Mar 10th, 2014 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Their is nothing to debate on the UK's part. An to get facts right, the UK have agreed to negotiations but under the conditions the Falklanders are involved and their wishes and rights taken into account.
It is Argentina who refuses to this and claims the peoples of the Falkland Islands have no rights.
It is for Argentina to prove that the Falklanders have no legal right to be a UK Self-governing overseas territory, and that the Falklands Islands are Argentina's.
Argentina will never take it to the ICJ because they know clearly they have no case.
The UN has clearly stated that the UK is in breach of no UN mandates.
It would be a wonderful day when Argentina and their paid trolls on here stop the lies. The lies they so openly admit to spreading.
Shame on you Argentina. shame on you.
@94 axel arg,
Mar 10th, 2014 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel, we couldn't care less what you think of us & we will have the type of government that we choose, NOT Argentina.
Axel, dum-dum, this has all been explained to you before, many times.
Can ANYONE be as thick as you are? or is it just a show?
Whatever, you're very good at it!
l can only conclude that you are, in fact, an Oxygen Thief.
Unfortunately @94, like so many other indocronoughts,
Mar 10th, 2014 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will accept nothing less than argentine rule,
They claim impartiality yet nothing short of argentine rule under any circumstances will prevail,
If your referendum voted 100% to be British, they refuse point blank to accept it,
Yet if you voted for argentine, they would accept it in an instant,
They know not what they say, or what they do,
But merely what they are told, the Argentine Falklands are argentine; they were stolen from Argentina and hold the population as hostages, the people scream for argentine rule,
For this is what they truly believe,
To an argentine anything else is totally utterly unacceptable,
Alas- Freedom and democracy is as alien to them as a world run by an imperial argentine empire, with CFK as its goddess is alien to us.
Still,
They certainly entertain us, do they not..
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JOLLYGOODFUN. BRITON.
Mar 10th, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This conflict is much more complicated than the too partial lectures that you made in your comments.
It's evident that you ignore that in 1884 and 1888, arg. suggested taking the case to an arbitration, which was rejected by the u. k., and in 1948, britain manifested arg. that it would be disposed to discuss about the cases of the dependencies from the islands (south georgia and sandwich), at the i. c. j., but it hadn't included the malvinas in that idea. However, i think that if after 1948, none of the two countries proposed again to take the case to an arbitration, is because perhaps both aren't sure of getting a positive result, if it's analized at the court. These objetive facts should be taken into account also, by many of you, every time you make the too partial lectures, characteristic of most people here, where you always blame only on arg., and nothing on your ex empire.
If i were so indoctrinated, as many people accuse me in this forum, i only would repeat what our official history says about this conflict, and i woud never make any critic to the partial arguments that our leaders express before international scenarios.
@99
Mar 10th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First of, you must stop quoting the past, as to do this one must go back to square one,
And in that case the descendents of African now inherit the whole world,
All you want to do is pick the years that suit you,
The British claim to sovereignty dates from 1690, and the United Kingdom has exercised de facto sovereignty over the archipelago almost continuously since 1833. Argentina has long disputed this claim, having been in control of the islands for a period prior to 1833. The dispute escalated in 1982, when Argentina invaded the islands, precipitating the Falklands War.
Contemporary Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly prefer to remain British. They gained full British citizenship with the British Nationality (Falkland Islands) Act 1983, after British victory in the Falklands War.
In 1850, the Arana-Southern Treaty otherwise known as the Convention of Settlement was signed between Britain and Argentina. It has been argued by several authors on both sides of the dispute that Argentina tacitly gave up her claim by failing to mention it and ceasing to protest over the Falklands. Between December 1849 and 1941, the Falklands were not mentioned in the President's Messages to Congress
In 1888, Argentina made an offer to have the matter subject to arbitration but this was rejected by the British Government. Other than the protest lodged in 1885, the British Government did not acknowledge any further protests by Argentina until the 1940s,
the official position of the Argentine Government is that “
successive Argentine governments
claim at least ”27 sovereignty claims, but cannot produce evidence..
territorial claims are usually considered defunct if there is a gap of 50 years or more between protests over sovereignty.[33]
uti possidetis juris “is not a universally accepted principle of international law” and Argentina could not inherit the islands upon independence anyway as Spain did not have De facto control since 1811
• That the Arana-Southern Treaty of 1850 (the
90 Pete Bog
Mar 10th, 2014 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ever heard that Falkland Island farmers complain when they don't get a low flying aircraft?”
Yup, it was on here wasn't it? A piece about the Falkland Islands being the “Play ground of the military” of how the Troops stationed there could go out and play whenever they wanted and not get letters from Mr Angry ( Retired ) about the noise.
And how the locals LOVED that the military was there and, also, SEEN to be there watching over them.
the Arana-Southern Treaty of 1850 (the 'Convention of Settlement'), ended all possible claims by Argentina on the Falkland Islands.[27][94]
Mar 10th, 2014 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0• That Argentine leaders indicated in the 1860s that there was no dispute between Argentina and Britain, and that Argentine maps printed between 1850 and 1884 did not show the islands as part of Argentina
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Besides Axel, be honest with us-
why do you want the islands,
Why???????????
@102 Briton,
Mar 10th, 2014 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't ask him questions that he can't answer.
He won't be able to tell you WHY he wants the lslands.
Probably mumble something about “territorial integrity” or some such rot.
But deep down, inside, he would know that the lslands are not really his.
Like ALL malvinistas, he wants to blot out the shame of defeat in 1982.
BUT, their hopes will go unrealised........................
They will NEVER get OUR lslands.
103 lsolde
Mar 10th, 2014 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Probably mumble something about “territorial integrity” or some such rot”
Aaaaaaawwwww!!! I was going to say that!!
We all know that it is nothing to do with “territorial integrity”. It's just another piece of territory that they can turn into a rubbish heap.
That's all they do, that's all they know.
I would be genuinely interested to know why Axel, or any other Argentine wants The Falklands.
Mar 10th, 2014 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@94 Axel
Mar 10th, 2014 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ because beyond what that charter says, this case has always been considered like a special case by the decolonization committee since 1965, beside, none of the resolutions that refer to this cause, say absolutly anything about the application of that right for the population from the islands, in contrary to what happened with other colonial situations, where self determination was invoked in the resolutions. ”
However this UN resolution from 2013 suggests otherwise, unless you are claiming that the UN does not class the Falkland Islands as a Non-Self-Governing Territory?
”Resolution 68/88
Title: Economic and other activities affecting the interests of the peoples of Non-Self-Governing territories
Date: December 11th, 2013
Notes: “1. Reaffirms the right of peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories to self-determination in conformity with the Charter of the United Nations and with General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV), containing the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, as well as their right to enjoyment of their natural resources and their right to dispose of those resources in their best interest;.. ”
(Axel arg) “and the u. k. are called to find a negotiated solution for this conflict, it should be respected,”
'The interests of the population' (of the Falkland Islands) cannot be taken into account if the Islanders themselves are not present at any talks between Argentina and the UK. In the 1970s and early 1980s the Argentines correctly (even though run by a Junta), allowed Falkland Islanders to be present during talks.
Argentina now do not agree with the Islanders being present.
How exactly is it, Axel, in the Islanders interests to be excluded by Argentina from any talks?
Argentina's problem is that the UK DO take the Islanders interests into account. Therefore the UK is not breaking UN resolutions. Argentina is.
Cabin crew cross check
Mar 11th, 2014 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is said that pictures don't lie...take a look at her “angry face”. I may be wrong be she shows the same evil eyes as Hitler.....!!
Mar 11th, 2014 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Evil is evil...
Mar 11th, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0108 atk357
Mar 11th, 2014 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She looks like she has just taken a large snort of charlie and is now riding the kickback.
Just because Colin Roberts is a snobby prick doesn't mean that Argentina gets the Falklands
Mar 12th, 2014 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0With a face like that and grinding her teeth, doubt Alicia could have a good chat with anyone...can't deny one talent that the TMBOA has ...appointing Aliciassholes.
Mar 12th, 2014 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha,
Mar 12th, 2014 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the faced that caused a thousand suicides..
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