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Falklands weekly says Argentina's call for dialogue and respect is 'farcical'
The Falkland Islands latest Penguin News editorial picks on the Chagos Islanders controversy surfaced by Ambassador Alicia Castro and laments that Argentina insists that Falkland Islanders 'are a non people entitled to nothing', but on the other hand had it not been “for the Argentine act of aggression that shone a spotlight on our existence as a population, we too might have ended up a people without a place”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell said, young lady! Your statement generates immense pride!
Mar 11th, 2014 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0This Argentine government doesn't understand the meaning of the word respect.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no better guarantor of the Falklands present status than Argentina itself.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0“it’s so difficult to truly digest the lament that in fact I am, according to Ms Castro, a nobody. I am part of a non-people entitled to nothing.”
Mar 11th, 2014 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0A well written, incisive article that exposes, once again, the sheer hypocrisy of the Argentine position on the Falkland Islands and their criminal disregard for the rights of the Islanders.
And can The Dark Country match this intelligent, litterate, young and good looking lady with someone comparable?
Mar 11th, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0HA, HA, HA, HA.
Well written, Ms. Watson.
THE POWER OF PARTIAL TRUTHS.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's expectable that representants from both sides will keep on making partial lectures of this conflict, thats' why it's necesary to make an ample analysis of such a complicated cause like this one.
I know that many people here will insist on repeating what the charter of the u. n. says in relation to self determination and it's application, which is a partial truth, because beyond what the charter says, this cause has always been considered like a special case by the decolonization committe since 1965, beside, none of the resolutions that refer to this conflict has never invoked the application of self determination for this cause, in contrary to what happened with other colonial situations, where that principle was invoked in different resolutions.
In my opinion, only an international arbitration can determine whether self determination is applicable or not for this case, due to both countries have different opinions about this issue, beside, it's the only one way to finish with this humbled situation for argentina.
However, when i see that after 1948, none of the two nations proposed again to take the question to an arbitration, is because perhaps both aren't sure of getting a positive result, if the case is analized at the court.
In 1884 and 1888, arg. suggested taking the case to an arbitration, which was rejected by the u. k., but in 1948, britain manifested to be disposed to take the cases of the dependencies from the islands (south georgia and sandwhich) to the i. c. j., however it hadn't included the malvinas in that idea. After that year , none of the two nations proposed again to take the case to arbitration.
Taking into account all these objetive facts, i think i can determine that watson's complaint isn't less farcical than what she accuses the argentine government. Anyway, it's expectable that many of our sepoys in this website, continue to celebrate the hypocritical lectures of our adversaries, as they often do.
Axel, Shouldn't you be on a picket line demanding your U$400/mo wage?
Mar 11th, 2014 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you keep yourself clean on that wage?
My guess is that you don't.
@6
Mar 11th, 2014 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So another typical statement from Axel and his partial truths.
He always talks about his opinion and his selective objective facts and we must accept that he is the only one that can tell the truth and everyone else who disagrees with him is a “sepoy”.
1947: Britain first offers to take the sovereignty dispute over the Dependencies to the ICJ. Argentina does not accept.
1948: Britain again offers to take the sovereignty dispute over the Dependencies to the ICJ. Argentina declines.
1955: Britain unilaterally refers the sovereignty dispute over the Dependencies to the ICJ. Argentina indicates that it will not accept any judgement.
Axel, it still hasnt sunk in to your thick skull that Argentina will NEVER get the Falkland Islands. Thats why we have 1000 troops there. What part of that do you not understand? You and the other trolls and Argentinian sepoys can either on and on, but it makes no difference. Even if sovereignty is in any way debateable, 180 years of prescence means that no-one can go against the wishes of the Islanders who have overwhelmingly rejected the idea of your country having any influence over the islands. And, the last time you invaded your armed forces disgraced themselves by acting like thugs in contravention of international law and the geneva convention, and finally ran and surrendered.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel, you have no hope.
Axel
Mar 11th, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I quote the UN Secretary General Ban-Ki-Moon on Wednesday May 19th 2010 when speaking at a forum on de-colonization in Noumea, New Caledonia -
“The world’s 16 remaining territories that still do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status”
He didn’t say “with the exception of the people of the Falkland Islands’ or “with the exception of those people that the UN has decided are not people at all”.
http://www.speroforum.com/a/33140/Remaining-nonselfgoverning-territories-must-have-full-freedom-of-choice-Ban-says
@6
Mar 11th, 2014 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands have already been to arbitration. The arbiters are the people who live there. They have arbitrated. Grow up and get over it, or at least adopt the appropriate conclusion.
I really still don't understand the Argentinian use of the word Sepoy? anyone know why?.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Different times, different people, different reasons. Established legal recognition.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 new Sock Puppet
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She can say what she likes. She has the right to free speech, restored after a 2-month hiatus in 1982, and lives in her own country that is free to go independent or remain an OT as it wishes.
@ axel
Your “special situation” has no meaning. When Argentina tried to get SD limited to situations where there was no sovereignty dispute, the UNGA voted it down. So no, SD applies to the Falklands like anywhere else. And if you believe the ICJ is the place to go then its your leaders you need to convince and not the British.
13. lol think has a new name! :)
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0holocaust! bloody hell strong words, ethic cleansing would of been a better description.
I think holocaust would be better used for what the european “Argentinians” did in the land of sliver.
(i guess its genetic within the British) hmm.. racial profiling, so very 1930's Germany.
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Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm guessing Mendoza is one of the Provinces where the teachers are on strike.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The gov't won't give them the U$400/mo they are demanding!
U$100/week.
Do they eat cat food?
Wash clothes?
These are somewhat professional people with a sort of degree.
Yikes.
@17
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Tobias. It must be tough being a product of a culture that can neither tolerate nor understand self-criticism. That kind of thing will make you neurotic.
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Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17:
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How much do you get paid to type your shite?
As I'm at work, Typing this, I've earned around three USD for these few lines.
What are LaCampora paying you?
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Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@The_Mercopress_Comptroller What make of Cat food do you eat??? Catkins or Whiskers JAJAJA
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Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 019 HansNiesund.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“a product of a culture that can neither tolerate nor understand self-criticism.” X 10
It is funny that “think” the product of a country stuck in a 30's style national socialist political system, think he has the moral high ground :) Juan Domingo Peron legacy.
@13 Tobias
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“She was aware of the Chagos situation, as a Falkland Islander herself, and never made ANY public statements deploring it...”
I am assuming that you mean that “evil” Ms. Watson did not make known her disgust with the Chagossian situation at the time of the relocation.
It might have been a little difficult for her as she was born (Ithink) in 1979, six years after the event!!!!!!!!
If you read the editorial, you will see that Ms. Watson has made a very public statement deploring the situation of the Chagossians.
Tobias you are a real idiot!!!!!!
Oh! Lisa Watson and the British propaganda lying machinery!
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Big Lie 1) Falkland Islanders are a non-people entitled to nothing.
Big Lie 2) Argentina wants to treat Falkland Islanders like the UK treated Chagossians.
The level uf stupidity in lying arguments gives us a hint: Argentina is moving on the right direction.
@22
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only an Argentine could simultaneously believe that Chagos was a foul crime, and it's really, really unfair UK won't do it to please Argentina. Only Tobias could believe that what's even worse is that some Brits are prepared to admit it was wrong.
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Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Trolls bang on about the Chagossians.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However the people of the Falkland Islands have a voice and you just heard it.
They neither want to be Decolanised or Colanised by Argentina.
What happened in the Indian Ocean has interesting parallels but has no impact of the up to 9 generations of Falkland Islanders living peacefully on their own lands.
If Argentina hadn't used force in 1982 it is quite possible a negotiated settlement, favorable to Argentina might have been reached.
However since liberation the people of the Falklands have expressed the double desire to remain British and not come under the Thrall of Argentina.
Argentina fails again and again to engage in dialogue with the people of the Falklands. They had the opportunity last year but Tinpot refused to be in the same room as the Falklands elected officials.
The Falklands people have a voice.
You may not like the message but it is clear.
They are prepared to talk to Argentina , it is Argentina who refuses negotiations.
Next time you hear Argentina claiming it is the UK stopping negotiations remember it is Argentina who are refusing to talk/listen to the free peoples of the Falklands.
@6 Poor axel. Still hoping that you can be saved? Remember that you have a “job” that is lower than that of a cesspit cleaner. An excuse for government handouts. Bought and sold, boy. Bought and sold.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 No problem throwing so-called “Chagossians” under the bus. Just scroungers. Why? “Discussed” many times. Go look it up.
No problem throwing the FCO “under the bus”. They are traitors. “Give the foreigners what they want” and hope they'll give us what we want. Rubbish. Negotiate from strength.
Definitely no problem throwing from argies “under the bus”. Argies deserve a fleet of buses. So that they can be killed, crushed, scattered, ground into the earth, buried, forgotten. And wherever what remains might happen to be will be a suitable place for shit pits. In fact, argie dust, after irradiation, should be sprinkled in the middle of the ocean. Where it, and they, can never trouble humanity again.
Nobody has ever explained to me how the Chagossians would survive if they stayed on Diego Garcia without a military base being there to provide fresh water.
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Mar 11th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chagos are irrelevant to this situation, despite what the Trolls and Witchy-poo Castro says.
16 Cornishair
The new sock puppet is likely Toby, rather than think.
Looks like he crossed the line too, representing himself as MercoPress, the publisher. All his comments are removed because he is obviously impersonating someone else.
AXEL ARSEWIPE
Your comments have not changed despite you being defeated in every argument several times over.
Amusing that you now focus on magical invisible evil-doing “Sepoys” as the reason your economy is failing dramatically.
We have mischievous invisible destructive entities in our folklore too, faeries, imps leprechauns, gremlins... - only fools and small children believe they exist.
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Mar 11th, 2014 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 knarfw
Mar 11th, 2014 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's obvious by listening to some of the comments of the Chagossians, that they wanted to remain on Diego Garcia (despite not owning a blade of grass on the Islands) and wanted the British to pay to have water imported for them. They somehow believe it is their right.
I've tried to explain this before to people. The Chagossians worked on Diego Garcia. They never owned anything on the Islands.
So it is comparable to someone owning a large estate, and hiring some gardeners to look after the grounds. You pass your estate onto your descendants, and the descendants of the original gardeners continue to work for the estate.
Then one day, the owner of the estate, decides to sell it because it is no longer a profitable venture. The new owners decide that they are going to use the estate differently, and decide that they don't need gardeners at all.
The new owners, being generous, decide to pay for the gardeners to be relocated to a different village (which they don't have any legal obligation to do). They pay the local village to take them in, but the mayor of the local village pockets the money leaving the gardeners with nothing. So the new owners pay the same amount, but this time directly to the gardeners, so they can start a new life.
However, a generation later, some of the garderers grown up children (who were children at the time of the move or weren't even born) decide that not only do they want more money BUT they want the entire estate to themselves!
This is why the Chagossian situation is completely different.
The Chagossians NEVER owned a piece of land, a blade of grass or even the homes they lived in, on Diego Garcia. It was all owned by the plantation owners who sold it lock stock and barrel to the British.
The Falklanders have ALWAYS owned the land in the Falklands (going back to pre-1833).
That means that the Chaggosians have NO legal right to Diego Garcia at all. The Falkland Islanders have a legal right to the Falkland Islands.
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Mar 11th, 2014 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Axel
Mar 11th, 2014 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“this cause has always been considered like a special case by the decolonization committe since 1965, beside, none of the resolutions that refer to this conflict has never invoked the application of self determination for this cause, in contrary to what happened with other colonial situations, where that principle was invoked in different resolutions.”
However, those resolutions do put Independence as the mopst favourable outcome and that the interests of the population have to be taken into account.
The resolutions DO NOT state ANYWHERE that the Interests of the population CANNOT be expressed by the Falkland Islanders.
THE FOLLOWING IS DATED 2013 (That's last year by the way).
”Resolution 68/88
Title: Economic and other activities affecting the interests of the peoples of Non-Self-Governing territories
Date: December 11th, 2013
Notes: “1. Reaffirms the right of peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories to self-determination in conformity with the Charter of the United Nations and with General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV), containing the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, as well as their right to enjoyment of their natural resources and their right to dispose of those resources in their best interest;.. ”
WHERE, Axel does it say that the Falkland Islands are excluded from resolution 68/88????
Can we expect a reply?
Again Axel as your academic IGNORANCE is breathtaking.
The Falkland Islands ARE classed as one of the 16 remaining territories (according to the UN). So what is your interpretation of this Axel?
“'The world's 16 remaining territories that still do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status,' Ban Ki-Moon 2010”
Ban ki Moon is the Secretary General of the UN.
Are you aware what that means Axel?
To requote you more selectively;
“has never invoked the application of self determination for this cause”
But, they do invoke INDEPENDENCE-READ THEM!!!
Good on you Lisa , watching the website marinetraffic.com this morning and amazing to see the amount of ships and cruise liners visiting the islands ..Forever Falklands ...Forever British................and Proud !!!!
Mar 11th, 2014 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 06 Axel
Mar 11th, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Mar 11th, 2014 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ms. Lisa Watson argues that as a sixth generation Islander, having spent her life believing she is a part of a ‘people’ entitled to determine their own future, it’s difficult to truly digest the lament that in fact she is, according to Ms Castro, a nobody, a part of a non-people entitled to nothing.....
I argue that Ms. Lisa Watson has, very early in her life, clearly realized that there is a “Certain Problem” down here....
She will have to truly digest that, according to Ms. Castro, the current Argentinean administration and most of the people of Argentina, she is a British citizen, a part of a little bunch of British citizens squatting on foreign land, invaded by the British Armed Farces in 1833 who may or may not be entitled to charitable indemnification and relocation assistance……................................... from the British Crown.
What a Cutie.... Met her last year when I was there... Picture is a little dated but she still turns heads ...
Mar 11th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lisa ... They still have the picture plastered on the walls.. xoxo
Think…… Bahahahaha. What a load of codswallop! This has finally got you back on your lost cause again. How many generations of an Agentinian are you Think? One perhaps? And, you sit there smugly amongst a nation of okupas and usurpers lording over the Indians that your countrymen practically wiped out in your celebrated genocide. No-one is heeding what you say which is why after 180 years of peaceful occupation the Islanders are where they are and you are in the privy sinking slowly into oblivion.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hurts doesnt it?
@41 yep pic was probably taken in 1993.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She may have been half rootable then, but probably another grey haired old geriatric from the Island of Seagull crap.
Maybe the Botox queen wants the Malvinas, so she can have her own tax haven to stash her stolen loot.
To hell with Argentina...A woman as good looking as that cant be wrong!
Mar 11th, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sepoys were indentured soldiers in the British Army(similar to the Gurkas) in the Indian sub continent and, by some, were considered traitors.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina, the word “sepoy” is used to signify “traitors” especially to “la causa malvinista”!
@ 26 Simon68
Mar 11th, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great to see you back here.
Some of us were concerned because your cessation to post seemed to align with all the violence.
I bet your grandaughter told you what to do for the best though eh?
Best regards.
Turnip at (45) says...:
Mar 11th, 2014 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Sepoys were indentured soldiers in the British Army”
I say....:
Ahhhhhhh.... “ Indentured Soldiers”.... Like these Anglo Chaps...?
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/ww2/british_free.htm
@47 Thing(otherwise known as arsehole) From wikipedia
Mar 11th, 2014 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The term ”sepoy“ or ”sipāhi“ is derived from the Persian word ”sipāh“ meaning ”infantry soldier” in the Mughal Empire. In the Ottoman Empire the term Sipahi was used to refer to elite cavalry troopers.[2] In its most common application sepoy was the term used in the British Indian Army, and earlier in that of the British East India Company, for an infantry private (a cavalry trooper was a sowar).
The term sepoy came into use in the forces of the British East India Company in the eighteenth century, where it was one of many, such as peons, gentoos, mestees and topasses used for various categories of native soldiers. Initially it referred to Hindu or Muslim soldiers without regular uniform or discipline. It later generically referred to all native soldiers in the service of the European powers in India.[2] Close to ninety-six percent of the British East India Company's army of 300,000 men were native to India and these sepoys played a crucial role in securing the subcontinent for the company.”
Nothing to do with nazi lovers.
@47
Mar 11th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”At no time did it (i.e the British Freikorps) reach more than 27 men in strength – smaller than a contemporary German platoon.[3]“
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Free_Corps
Compare and contrast :
”Goñi makes a plausible case that the cabal, which was organized in Buenos Aires following Peron's election as Argentina's president in 1946, orchestrated the emigration of hundreds, perhaps thousands of Nazis and other unsavory types to the country in the late 1940s and early 1950s. (He also claims that the cabal was based at the presidential palace, and that many of its members were given important jobs in Peron's government.) ”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Free_Corps
Own goal there, I would say.
Respect
Mar 11th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lisa Watson
Very pretty…
Disrespect CFK,
Very plastically abnormal.
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A few years ago I was in Costa Rica. I was in the jungle with a guide. We stopped at a small opening by a tree root. The guide waggled a stick in the leaves near the opening. A big hairy tarantula shot out expecting to sink his fangs into something which he evidently saw as his next meal.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chief Turnip Mr Think reminds me of that tarantula (though not as handsome or scary), one has only to mention certain British Islands and there is Think slavering like a mad dog, spouting tosh and nipping at the ankles of any nearby Brits. Lol! Stand by for his sock puppets any moment now.
I read Liza's piece, and I read the prize-winning Argentinian piece presenting its counterpoint. The Argentinian essay was unedifying and a distinct disappointment.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.............
Instead of the weak parallel with Diego Garcia, there may be some comparative mileage in looking at the Russian action of annexation in the Crimea. Unfortunately for Argentina, it is no Russia!
Alex-Think (and Is Malvinas) You can never offer anything newish- just the same old historical stuff.
Mar 11th, 2014 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given the history prior to 1833 EACH side makes its claim using various points.There is no doubt that each side has some points - we believe ours and you believe yours. Based on event up to 1833 that may well be why neither side is over keen to go to the IJC.
BUT - we are now in the 21st century godammit - wake up! You no longer carve up the world by means of force regardless of who was and who was not there first- yes that indeed was what the old European Powers did- Britain-Spain-France-Portugal-Holland-Germany etc did 200-500 years ago!.
But your argument is daft- exactly the same argument would say - all the peoples of todays S.America who are of European origen- get out and go back to Europe as your ancestors invaded by force lands occupied already by indigenous peoples and exterminated a lot of them.
All those in USA-Mexico-Canada-Australasia-South Africa of European Ancestry had better also get out and go back to Europe!
Argentina had better give lands back to Chile and Bolivia- USA had better give Alaska back to Russia,Chile lands to Peru and Bolivia, etc etc.
Get real - stop living in the past! It is NOT going to happen ! Today in the 21st century what matter first and foremost are the WISHES of the people who live in a territory/Nation whatever!
That is made very clear by the UN Sec General and the UN itself.
That is why Scotland will be voting freely in September. The people of Crimea this weekend(although one doubts how “free” the voting will be!). The peoples in what was Yugoslavia - Bosnia - etc. The same vote that so many nations that used to be part of the old British Colonial Empire took freely and became Independent.
Argentina is living in the past - and is sliding further back into it! The Islands instead are advancing-modernising and a small part of today,s modern free thinking world.
26 Simon68
Mar 11th, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good to see you back on this forum Simon!!!
It's nice to see that you are safe and well.
Best regards
From the UK
Why are Argyland women so ugly. No wonder Argyland men want to invade the Falklands. It's a major problem but no doubt they will keep matters in hand as per their reputation
Mar 11th, 2014 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“indeed was what the old European Powers did- Britain-Spain-France-Portugal-Holland-Germany etc did 200-500 years ago!”
Mar 12th, 2014 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0And where, when, and how have they paid the price for that gross crime against humanity?
Until they do, no peace.
@56
Mar 12th, 2014 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another name from our pathetic resident attention seeker!
Lisa Watson wrote nothing new. The fact are not the islanders, honest people making their life, but the sovereignty. And this must be discussed, and agreed, between London and Buenos Aires.
Mar 12th, 2014 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Otherwise, let the Islanders alone to see if they can keep the current life quality. Less than 3,000 people cannot afford a small ship to control fisheries. Cannot afford a good hospital and schools.
Thanks to Galtieri, Maggie and the UK they are living in a “fantasy island” where the UK taxpayers pay the “rent and living expenses” while the islanders enjoy the “free meal”.
As I wrote several times, I believe that the UK and Argentina must apply the Hong Kong “solution”. This is “one country two sistems”.
@57
Mar 12th, 2014 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I'm sorry if it bothers you that I exercise the right to be heard. I know that may bother you, opposing views.
Argentina lost any legal claim to the Falkland Islands by attacking it in 1982. It's over Argentina - keep dreaming. Argentinians are known in S. America for being egotistical bullies. Only difference here is Britain stood up to them -from 8,000 miles away! Their government should quit lying to their own people - they're all crazy. Argentina have zero chance - it is over.
Mar 12th, 2014 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 058P_german. Why do you keep on coming up with this rubbish? Where is your evidence?
Mar 12th, 2014 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Facts
1- Falklands pay full running costs of our Fisheries Protection Vessel(armed with Falklands guncrew if required) and several Fisheries Patrol Aircraft.
2- We have good modern hospital with all the needs for our small population,all paid for by Falklands Govt, including all costs of patient transfer and treatment overseas if required.
Our children are in modern Schools educated to 16yrs and then Falklands Govt pays 100% of costs and travel for youngsters who pass the exams to continue specialized higher education overseas- including payment for an entire accommodation wing at a leading 6th form college in England.
Falkland Islanders and Falkland Islands Govt receive No subsidies-rent-living expenses from UK! We have been self financing as regards normal recurrent Govt Expenditure sine the 1890s - for over 120 years!
We have been fully self financing in all Capital Govt Infrastructure Investments with no receipt of funding from Uk Govt in this are since 1986.
If you claim otherwise- produce the evidence please?
Why should Anything be discussed between London and Buenos Aires that concerns us without us also being part of that discussion team?
Argentina wants Brazil to give them Rio back. They base their claim on the fact they accidentally left a sack of potatoes there in 1921.
Mar 12th, 2014 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Russia proven right AGAIN:
Mar 12th, 2014 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0The new Ukranian WEST-BACKED government is full of far right wing extremist, with extensive dossier of anti-Russian, anti-Jewish, anti-immigrant activities.
That's who the west is backing. Says it all.
55
Mar 12th, 2014 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you are taking just a simple complements too far...It really depends on social class. In average downtown city women in Argentina are very hot and the hardest to get in the whole Americas continent .....Or so they say
http://www.gadailynews.com/lifestyle/relationships/181798-guy-makes-world-map-of-easy-to-bang-women.html
Russia is a joke - like Argentina - nobody listens to them
Mar 12th, 2014 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@62
Mar 12th, 2014 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Post of the year. That map perspicuously explains EVERYONE here, but me.
Under picture says:
Mar 12th, 2014 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Lisa Watson, a sixty generation Falkland Islander”
Is this Lisa a dinosaur descendant?
“Ms Watson points out that she was not unaware the Chagossians were treated quite horrifically by the UK Government”
“Not unaware” Lisa?
I am assuming that you were not aware of the British invasions of 1806/1807/1833/1845 either blondie.
Marcos : Falklands are British. OK?
Mar 12th, 2014 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0(64) Marcos Alejandro
Mar 12th, 2014 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0As one clearly can infer from the above picture, she's not only a Blondie.... She's a “CEB” Blondie... (Chemically Enhaced Blondie)
She could be a Porteña... ;-)
@60 Dear Islander.
Mar 12th, 2014 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do I have to make figures to prove that less than 3,000 people cannot afford a Military Base with two/four Eurofigther?..plus a refueling plane. Do I have to prove that less than 3,000 people cannot afford one/two modern warships? with a nuclear submarine included? Is it really necesary?
The World is still an agressive place basically due to the need of natural resources, And the lack of them will be worse in the next decades.
Without the support of the UK, not a single ship would pay for the fisheries in the area that is claimed by the FI.
Korean, Chinese, Japanese and Russian ships would not respect the right over the claimed economic zone. They have been depredating all the “free areas”.
The British base is the “kick off” of the current “false” and “artificial” life style of the Islanders.
The Islanders, among others, say (and write) that are rich, that they have the best income of Latam, that they have everything needed but they are stingy enought as to prefer to use, and beg for, the Argentine Air Space instead of affording direct flights to London and get rid of the hatred enemy.
58 pgerman
Mar 12th, 2014 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“
Otherwise, let the Islanders alone to see if they can keep the current life quality. Less than 3,000 people cannot afford a small ship to control fisheries. Cannot afford a good hospital and schools.
Thanks to Galtieri, Maggie and the UK they are living in a “fantasy island” where the UK taxpayers pay the “rent and living expenses” while the islanders enjoy the “free meal”. ”
pgerman,
Why must the Islanders be self-supportive ? Why can they not live on the Islands if they require outside financial assistance ?
What makes you think you are entitled to dictate the terms by which a population is supported, or the standard of living that deems them a viable society?
Surely, it is their right to associate with whoever they wish and on whatever wY they wish.
Obviously, you feel that you should be able to impose a requirement of non-assistance with the hope that the Islanders would be forced to leave or starve, both of which would suit Argentina.
Is every province of Argentina viable on its own? Is every one of them a net producer? No.
Should Argentina be permitted to maintain a population in Antarctica which cannot support itself without outside supplies?
All of this discussion is moot in any case. Despite economic blockade and interference by Argentina, the fisheries, tourism, and now oil, are more than enough to support their lifestyle.
@67
Mar 12th, 2014 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has the right to deny any assistance to the FI. That's quite clear. The same way that the UK has the right to deny any Argentine commercial airplane the authorization to fly over its territory. The use of the UK territorial waters, or air space, is not a right for foreigner ships or airplanes. The same right is applicable to Argentina.
For instance, denying the usage of argentine ports is a peacefull decision that must be accepted by the UK or the Islanders. The efficiency of this decision is another discussion.
As the UK has always supported the idea that the FI are british the any discussion or negotiation must be held between the UK and Argentina. As it was in the past.
Nowadays, with the aggravating circumstance that there were the British soldiers who shed blood to recover the islands, that the UK taxpayers lost equipment, ships and airplanes, and afford, with their taxes, the current political situation.
In addition, Lisa Watson's comments, and accusations, that Argentina will treate the islanders as the UK treate the Chagosians is a twisted, and malicious, way to defend the Islanders position. Nobody, not even the most stupid fascist-kirchnerist, has ever suggested that the Islanders must be expeled from the Islands.
Lisa Watson's comments is also a way to extend the current chagosians situation to Argentina. Nobody, except the UK, is responsible for these people fate.
I cannot forget that a British journalist mentioned that “after all the Argentinians treated the Islanders pretty well since the civilian casualties, three people, were killed by British actions”. So, it si quite clear that the occupation was far from being a bloody nazy invasion.
@64 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 12th, 2014 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say “I am assuming that you were not aware of the British invasions of 1806/1807/1833/1845 either blondie.” You, Marcos Alejandro, are repeating the usual lies and fairy stories.
The so called invasions of 1806 and 1807 were incursions by British troops in an effort to capture the Spanish colonial city of Buenos Aires at a time when Britain and Spain were at war - so that claim can be dismissed immediately. The so called “invasion” of 1833 just did not exist except as a figment of your imagination and as far as the invasion of 1845, that was a blockade of the River Plate by Britain and France which was resolved by the Arana Southern Treaty of eternal friendship and by which Argentina tacitly accepted it had no outstanding matters of concern with the United Kingdom - e.g. Argentina accepted once and for all that sovereignty of the Falklands/Malvinas pertained to the United Kingdom.
@58 pgerman
Mar 12th, 2014 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0What will stop you forever getting your hands on the islands is your hatred and contempt of the islanders. You're trying to disguise it here, but it still shows through.
Rather than address that directly, and recognise that the islanders have no fewer rights than those you claim for yourselves, you persist in the fantasy that everybody else shares your neurosis, and that some Fairy Godmother will one day come to your rescue and make it all right for you. Most recently it's been the British taxpayer cast in that role, which is all the more pathetic in that this is precisely the same mistake Galitieri made in 1982.
@64 Marcos
It is hard to think of any other country that has made an unfounded grievance of 2 centuries ago part of its national identity. It's not just historically wrong, it's infantile and demeaning.
Axel
Mar 12th, 2014 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are still waiting for your response to Pete Bog
THE FOLLOWING IS DATED 2013 (That's last year by the way).
”Resolution 68/88
Title: Economic and other activities affecting the interests of the peoples of Non-Self-Governing territories
Date: December 11th, 2013
Notes: “1. Reaffirms the right of peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories to self-determination in conformity with the Charter of the United Nations and with General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV), containing the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, as well as their right to enjoyment of their natural resources and their right to dispose of those resources in their best interest;.. ”
WHERE, Axel does it say that the Falkland Islands are excluded from resolution 68/88????
Thanks in advance.
# 6“beyond what the charter says, this cause has always been considered like a special case by the decolonization committe since 1965,”
Mar 12th, 2014 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is always claiming to be a 'special case', thats because they are a 'special people'!
Pgerman- do tell me please WHO invaded our Islands in 1982? That is why we now have a military defence provided by Britain.
Mar 12th, 2014 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0WHO claimed a year or two ago that even today it is only the prescence of that British Defence that stops her country from re-occupying the Islands again?
You do clutch at fantasy straws.
# 6“beyond what the charter says, this cause has always been considered like a special case by the decolonization committe since 1965,”
Mar 12th, 2014 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since when did the decolonization committee have the right to revise or overrride the Charter? How did that come about?
Poor Trolls, they are having no luck at all.
Mar 12th, 2014 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Axel & his “special case” ha ha.
Axel is the only special case here.
Think living in the past with his “Britische Frei Korps”(& l don't care if the spelling is wrong, Think!)
l read that the men who were recruited from British POWs only joined because the Germans promised them free alcohol & women.
Also a chance to get out of the camps.
Understandable why young men would join.
But what a price to pay!
Would you join, Think?
Or more to the point, were any of your rellies in the SS?
You can confide in us Think, we never tell! lol!
Marcos is actually a bit smarter than l first thought.
He picked up the typo of Lisa being a 60 generation lslander.
Well done, Marcos.
There is hope for you yet. lol
@ ChrisR
Mar 12th, 2014 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“And can The Dark Country match this intelligent, litterate, young and good looking lady with someone comparable?
HA, HA, HA, HA.
Well written, Ms. Watson. “
Oh! sure mate, I guess Argies have Karina Jelinek to deal with such kind of literate intellects...
http://www.diariopanorama.com/UserFiles/Image/bigimage/2010/10/4cb4747844karina3.jpg
“Te lo dejo a tu criterio”
ha ha ha ha
@80 DanyBerger
Mar 12th, 2014 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0So that's no then.
Poor trolls looking on in envy and the world passes you by.
Most countries in the world are developing into better societies.
Argentina is regressing into a 3rd world country.
I have noticed a few Argentine commentators stating that the Falkland Islanders are twisting Argentina's use of the Chagos Islands as an example when discussing the Falkland Islands and its people. I was wondering if any of these Argentines could explain the purpose of Argentina using the Chagos Islands example and how it directly applies to the Falkland Islands and its people.
Mar 12th, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 Back to your old drivel. Why do you lot always pick 1833? What's wrong with 1690? What about 1765? What about 1770/71? What about 1828?
Mar 12th, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 Nah, not really. “Indentured” only means that there was/is a contract. And “sepoy” only means infantry soldier. And your link is to Aussie and Kiwi soldiers!
@56 Not sure. Neither can I be bothered to do your research for you. But thank you for providing our reasons. We can certainly go back to the days of the Roman Republic and Empire to justify our activities. So anything “latino” is fair game. That's 503 years you lot have to pay for. Just for a start.
@58 It was “discussed” and agreed. We won!
@63 You forgot to mention “anti-argie”!
@67 What are these “invasions”, dumbo?
@70 I don't understand your point. Over in argieland, 40 million people can't afford new fighter planes. Have to “buy” second-hand “refurbished”. At sea, which is where you are, you seem to have got confused between “destroyer” and “submarine”. Destroyers are supposed to float. Submarines are supposed to go under the water. Yours do the opposite. And yep, Britain will ALWAYS be there.
@72 Update your knowledge! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Navigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Navigation
@78 What axel always fails to mention is that the UK does not recognise the decolonisation committee. That is, after all, only advisory. Moreover, the General Assembly has no authority to pass binding resolutions. And thus the situation can continue.
@80 Looks like a bit of a slag to me.
Chris and Tooold: Thank you for your good wishes, I suffered a somewhat frightening health problem but have recuperated.
Mar 12th, 2014 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the best to you all.
Macros, you really are a retarded little fk aren't you.
Mar 12th, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Under picture says:
“Lisa Watson, a sixty generation Falkland Islander”
Is this Lisa a dinosaur descendant?”
Learn to read you degenerate, sixth generation - not “sixty generation” you fool.
Notice Think was unable to put this fool straight and instead tried to make a piss poor joke about bottle blondes... Can only conclude that these retards are one and the same.
MY ANSWER.
Mar 12th, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have never rejected absolutly the idea that perhaps self determination is finally applicable for this case, however, i have never wanted to make the typical too partila lectures that most people often make in this website, in relation to this issue.
Taking into account the objetive facts that involve this conflict, in my opinion i think that the application of that principle for this case is hightly arguable, because beyond what the charter of the u. n., and resolution 69/88 etc etc say about self determination and it's application, the point is that this cause has always been considered like a special case since 1965, and it didn't change, not even after the result of the referendum, in fact, a few days before that popular consultation, the president from the decolonization committee explained the reasons why self determination isn't applicable for this case.
Respecting ban ki mon's words, when he was asked about this cause in 2012 by tiempo argentino, while it is true that he said that he doesn't believe that u. k. is violating relevant laws, beside he said he hopes this conflict can be solved with a dialogue, it's also true that he didn't include the population from the islands in that dialogue, beside, he didn't say a word about the applicaton of self determination for this case.
Beside, if you investigated as deeply as i did, you would know that public int. right not always apply self determinaion for all cases. I'll tell you more in my next comment.
On the other hand, you should take into account the fact that the u. k. just offered to take the cases of the dependencies from the islands to the court, not the malvinas, don't forget it. You already know what i think about taking the case to the court, i don't have to add anything else respecting this issue.
THE WORD SEPOY.
We call sepoys here to all those cretins who often take the side of the enemy in a conflict, unfortunatelly, along my life, i'm 32 years old, i have met a lot of them.
81
Mar 12th, 2014 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please
Luciana Geuna is a investigative journalist and she is far more intelligent and sophisticated than this bimbo...
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/927459410/twitterdos.JPG
btw Its very easy to be intelligent and well knowledged in the one aspect and subject you dedicate your life too, what else can be said and published and investigated about the islands.
Why posters here refers to her as a young or young generation?????
Mar 12th, 2014 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This pic at least is 30 year old or Lisa Watson has a mother looking like her with similar name?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/harritomc/8122991324/lightbox/
She should ask Cristina her beauty botox secrets. haha
@Dear HansNiesund
Mar 12th, 2014 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have never offended the Islandres. Just to the contrary, I have alwasy respected them as humans beings. I have always mentioned them as honorable people that deserve respect. So, your accusations are quite unfair.
Any country has the right to cede part of its land. Agentina cede the Islands of the Beagle Channel to Chile against the opinion, and will, of the citizens of Tierra del Fuego.
I have my opinion about the Islands as you have yours. I have never considered your opinions as “neurosis”. In addition, you will never stop defending your opinion about the Islands, so, you see we are both quite similar.
The real thing is that the money needed to afford the current status of the is;land is a very sensitive never for all of the UK tazpayers.
As I have always mentioned, don't forget that taxes are mandatory but donations are voluntary. I don't see any of the British extremists that usually write here donating all their belongins to help to afford the current situation. Just to the contrary... (this last paragraph is not about you HansNiesund).
The British extremist are like the fascist-kirchnerist...always, but always the bill must be paid with money that are not theirs..
89 pgerman
Mar 12th, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The real thing is that the money needed to afford the current status of the is;land is a very sensitive never for all of the UK tazpayers”
Money??? what money?? as has been mentioned before ( quite a number of times ) the Islanders are NOT a drain on the British taxpayer. We contribute exactly NOTHING towards the upkeep of the islands.
As for their defense.... The defense of the Islands comes out of the MOD budget and those 1,060 personnel? Now that is money very well spent. Very, very well spent actually.
So you see, that particular argument falls flat on it's ar*e now doesn't it?
and as for your comment about:-
“I don't see any of the British extremists that usually write here donating all their belongins to help to afford the current situation. ”
Remember that friend Conqueror has said on repeated occasions that if your armed forces EVER tried that 1982 s**t again, he would gladly catch the next bus to Port Stanley and hack the first marine ashore into little rg pieces with a letter opener and a copy of The Times.
I don't know about you, but I'm glad he's on our side.............
#89
Mar 12th, 2014 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The real thing is that the money needed to afford the current status of the is;land is a very sensitive never for all of the UK tazpayers.
I'm sorry but I do not understand the use of the word“never” in your post.
Where do you get the impression that money spent on the defence of the Falklands is a political issue in the UK. It rarely surfaces in the news and there is NO heated discussion about it.
“I don't see any of the British extremists that usually write here donating all their belongins to help to afford the current situation. ”
This means absolutely nothing. The Falklands are hardly impoverished and defence expenditure comes from general taxation.
More to the point is our aid budget of £9 billion including recipients such as Argentina and India who can afford a space program !
@toooldtodieyoung
Mar 12th, 2014 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember, taxes are mandatory but donations are voluntary.
The day that you, or Conqueror, sell all your properties, and belongings, and donate the money to help to afford the defense of the Islands. That's the current status of them. This day, I will respect you.
You can start promoting, with letters sent to the UK Prime Minister, the FO, and the Chambers the cancellation of all the flights to Chile that needs Argentine Air Sapce. Just start with this. Is not taht difficult. Star with this campaign !!!
In te meanwhile your words (Conqueror ones are just ofenses that seem to be jockes) are “water under a bridge”.
The Argies on here are told to throw shit to the wind, and watch the mess and confusion,
Mar 12th, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But they were never told witch way to throw it,
That’s why it flies straight back into there faces..lol
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@toooldtodieyoung
Mar 12th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Money??? what money?? as has been mentioned before ( quite a number of times ) the Islanders are NOT a drain on the British taxpayer. We contribute exactly NOTHING towards the upkeep of the islands.”
Are you joking right?
Only in defence FI cost to UK taxpayers until 2011 U$s 125 million or 75 millions pounds.
Source House Of Commons
http://www.google.com.ar/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parliament.uk%2Fbriefing-papers%2FSN06201.pdf&ei=u64gU-rcIsKfkAf19YDADQ&usg=AFQjCNGbRrGFReDQRMiyKrLoQhOt_bT2DQ&bvm=bv.62788935,bs.1,d.eW0
The Falkland Islands: everything you ever wanted to know in data and charts
http://www.google.com.ar/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parliament.uk%2Fbriefing-papers%2FSN06201.pdf&ei=u64gU-rcIsKfkAf19YDADQ&usg=AFQjCNGbRrGFReDQRMiyKrLoQhOt_bT2DQ&bvm=bv.62788935,bs.1,d.eW0
Anyway this direct cost of U$s125 million what paradoxically is similar to the total GDP of the Islands where around 30% jobs are provide by the FI govt. , etc... Is nothing compering with cost in trade and business opportunity lost by UK in the region due to this problematic diplomatic round.
“Islanders are NOT a drain on the British taxpayer”
Of course they are patriotism and colonialism always have a huge cost if you don get noting in return.
witch = which, another argie joke..
Mar 12th, 2014 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK forces could 'utilise' Aust facilities
Defence Minister David Johnston says Canberra would welcome armed forces from the UK utilising Australian
He was subsequently asked about the possibility of a permanent UK base in Australia
we welcome such a similar utilisation at every opportunity for the Royal Navy or any other of the services from the United Kingdom to come to Australia
Extra weigh and power to send to the Falklands,
And Cfk will probably ban all Australians from visiting Argentina…lol
http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/25202/No-permanent-basing-in-Australia-yet-says-Hammond-#.UyCsSMtFC3c
Who the feck is this silly cow....
Mar 12th, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm at a loss to understand why she would try to bite the hand that feeds her..
“the Chagossians were treated quite horrifically by the UK Government in the late 1960s”
Also ....everyone and the kitchen sink is aware that the Chagossian saga is used in argument, to highlight the hypocrisy of the UK Govt in using the self-determination for all peoples.....
Is this the calibre of the average Falklander.....Attack the actions of the UK and at the same time express her ignorance....
Silly, squatting, ungrateful nobody ....is who she is....
94 DanyBerger
Mar 12th, 2014 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............ Your point was.........? Sorry, I must have nodded off half way through your post... But I'm sure the point you were making was breathtaking.
Oh and look!! You're using “The Guardian” as source material
LOLZ!!!
You silly, silly troll you!!!
92 pgerman
You seem to speaking words of some kind or other. I'm sure sure. Why should I sell my properties and donate the money to the Islanders? They are not a charity, they don't need charitable donations. All they need is a little bit of help so some deluded argentines don't get their thieving hands on their homes and claim them as their own.
96
Mar 12th, 2014 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's the funniest thing I've read all day. Where did you say your sock lives again? Scotland wasn't it? And you're not critical of the UK government? Let me get this right then. What you are saying is that British citizens living in democratic societies shouldn't voice their disapproval of the UK government?
You could at least TRY to make all of your socks sound different from each other Think. You've just replace DoD with A_Voice. LMFAO.
Credibility check anyone?
DannyB - when will some folks ever learn about the UK defence Budget?
Mar 12th, 2014 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There would be NO reductions in manpower, aircraft or ships if there was no need for UK to defend the Islands.
The cost of those military personnel, their food, fuel, training etc is indeed about $125million a year.
That is LESS than HALF of 1% of the UK Defence Budget
If the forces were withdrawn form the Islands they would simply be redeployed elsewhere in UK and NATO. There would thus be NO saving of money by the UK taxpayer.
The forces in the Falklands are part of the core basic UK Armed Forces - NOT additional.
Furthermore here the Army has large training and live-firing areas it now does not have elsewhere in the world - this is why in future there are going to be MORE soldiers here-(for a couple of weeks at a time) - as the Falklands offers the Army an invaluable training area. - good value for money!
Yes a good % of people are employed by the local Govt - all are paid with money earned by Govt here in the Islands, Many of these families are contracted here from UK for a few years- they thus take money from the Islands INTO the UK.
Some 80% of our imports come from the UK - ie they are British Exports - making jobs and wages for British people living in UK.
Most of the materials and workers in the Offshore Oil Industry come from UK - more money and jobs INTO the UK economy.
Meanwhile all the time UK exports,trade and cultural ties to serious S. American nations like Brazil-Uruguay-Chile-Peru-Columbia are INCREASING.
In truth I have no idea why some of these territories are even on this de-colonisation list. Take Bermuda, for example, it has had its own parliament since 1620, nearly 4 centuries. It is one of the worlds most prosperous countries. Its per capita GDP was $85,762 in 2021 (By comparison Argentina was a mere $11,610). The people of Bermuda live under the rule of their own laws. It has its own currency, issues its own postage stamps, has its own health and education system, police force and law courts. It has its own democratically elected government. It has its own tax system. It has its own well established political parties and trade unions, newspapers and other media. To call it a colony is ridiculous.
Mar 12th, 2014 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1995 a referendum on independence was held, 73.6% voted against independence, and only 25.7% voted in favour.
The idea that the likes of Syria, Cuba, China, Russia, and Iran (all members of the committee of 24) get to monitor the future of Bermuda must be pretty offensive to the Bermudians.
100 Rupert
Mar 12th, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funnily enough I was thinking the same thing about Bermuda only today. I know a few Bermudians and I often think about their wealth and maturity and yet they choose to remain British. The answer is easy in reality I think.
The anti-British elements of the world- perhaps people like Toby; I think he has mentioned on MP once or twice that he's not totally fond of Britain- try to say that the British Empire still exists and that people all over the world are still captive and forced to by British against their wills. That's the sort of Britain the anti-Brits need Britain to be.
On the other hand, here in the Falklands and obviously in Bermuda we don't feel like our lives are controlled by the British Empire. We are part of modern Britain. Part of the Britain who believes in us. Part of Britain who defends our rights against aggressors. Part of Britain who facilitates our progress and development. Part of Britain who give us our own choices.
That's the difference. We don't think being part of Britain is offensive like the anit-Brits need the world to think.
I'd better hope Think's sock, A_Voice, isn't reading this. He'll want to know who the feck I think I am.
#92
Mar 12th, 2014 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about YOU and your cronies selling all your worldly goods and donating the proceeds to your cash strapped government. That would be a noble gesture and show your love of La Patria. Your population probably dodge paying your taxes anyway.
@ toooldtodieyoung
Mar 12th, 2014 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Oh and look!! You're using “The Guardian” as source material”
Nope I used the house Of Commons see the link plese...
Source House Of Commons
www.google.com.ar/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parliament.uk%2Fbriefing-papers%2FSN06201.pdf&ei=u64gU-rcIsKfkAf19YDADQ&usg=AFQjCNGbRrGFReDQRMiyKrLoQhOt_bT2DQ&bvm=bv.62788935,bs.1,d.eW0
@92 pgerman
Mar 12th, 2014 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The cost of defence is negligible compared to the cost of appeasement.
Defence of the national territory is is a responsibility of the state, not of individuals making charitable donations. That's one of the reasons we have a state in the first place.
@96 HMV
Just like TTT, HM_Voice seems to confuse self-criticism with ingratitude and lack of patriotism. No wonder Argentina is such a mess. If you're incapable of admitting you ever made a mistake, you're incapable of ever learning anything.
room 101
Mar 13th, 2014 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know who you are...Joe Bloggs isn't that a generic nobody.... just like that silly nobody, that thinks the world is interested in her juvenile uninformed opinion..
104
Not self criticism, but criticism of her benefactor...that would be the Govt that spends 100 million a year providing her with a soldier for every two islanders at no cost.....
If I had such a generous benefactor, I wouldn't be publicly criticising them ...
Yeah I'm talking to you ...as know doubt you will have read these articles...as you have feck all better to do.....ungrateful cow...
@104
Mar 13th, 2014 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually that would be the Europeans. Never have they admitted any wrongdoing in the history of anything, and everything.
To this day, all Europeans, including all Europeans here, insist that they did the world a favor during the last 5 centuries.
That's the level of mental illness that rages in that part of the world.
@99
Good for the UK. But just because Argentina refuses any sort of friendly relations with the UK doesn't mean we are not serious. We are just incompatible for fruitful relations. Diametrically opposed societies, you see white where we see black, you see black where we see white. And that's that and it will never change.
105 AvoiceofThinkeDover
Mar 13th, 2014 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Not self criticism, but criticism of her benefactor...that would be the Govt that spends 100 million a year providing her with a soldier for every two islanders at no cost.....
If I had such a generous benefactor, I wouldn't be publicly criticising them ”
and, bitter Avoice just chooses to repeat all the same gripes, mealy-mouthed and misogynist criticisms that were shot down before. Bitter and jealous of you, Think.
The Islanders reject you as a people, and this woman rejects you personally.
106. Comptroller Nostril
“Good for the UK. But just because Argentina refuses any sort of friendly relations with the UK doesn't mean we are not serious. We are just incompatible for fruitful relations. Diametrically opposed societies, you see white where we see black, you see black where we see white. And that's that and it will never change.”
Yes, look no further for an excuse not to make an effort or behave without selfishness and greed.
And who are the English to talk about selfishness and greed?
Mar 13th, 2014 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I mean, really?
Oh, Nostril, yawnnn...
Mar 13th, 2014 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lisa Watson, sixty generation of Bennies in Argentina Malvinas Islands that means is Argentina soil !!!! so It is not that all the rights
Mar 13th, 2014 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0It does not give all the rights to take over the islands !!! please stop
with this ridiculous comments of generations and begin to respect the 2065 UN resolution from right now Benny.
@109
Mar 13th, 2014 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well. Not off the mark, really.
“Britain’s blanket refusal to discuss the sovereignty of the Falklands can be contrasted with its attitude to another group of islanders, over whose trampled rights it continues to shed few tears. Some 1,786 Chagos Islanders were evicted from their homes by Britain between 1967 and 1973 to allow the US to build a military base on Diego Garcia. Does not the very same UN principle of self-determination, cited so forcibly by Mr Cameron in relation to the Falkland Islanders, apply to them too? A referendum held among their survivors and dependents would almost certainly produce a result that would embarrass the British government”
Mar 13th, 2014 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0110-112 Trolls
Mar 13th, 2014 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Same silly nonsense that the same usual suspects have been peddling for years, Argies - successfully refuted dozens of times over.
I can't believe that intellectual infant, Marcos, is still trotting out the same boring self-contradicting Chagossian red herring - yawn
Thanks “Tier 3”!!
112 - completely agree with you, Marcos
Mar 13th, 2014 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@112
Mar 13th, 2014 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no blanket British refusal to discuss the sovereignity of the Falklands. There is a blanket British refusal to discuss the sovereignity of the Falklands over the heads of the Falklanders. Argentina, on the other hand, explicitly rejects any application of international law, human rights, or democracy in pursuit of its objective, and has chosen instead warfare and telling lies to its own people and the international community.
Go figure out who the villain is in this case.
As for Chagos, it has evidently escaped your attention that the last two British governments have both admitted that a wrong was done to the Chagossians 50 years ago, and moves are afoot to rectify it.
Indeed the only people who seem to approve of UK behaviour towards the Chagossians, are Argentines, who seem to think it's some kind of precedent that should be followed to please Argentina.
And as Lisa Watson has pointed out, it is no secret that there have been elements in the past in the FCO who would have been quite happy to do exactly that.
It is fortunate, therefore, that Argentina has done, and continues to do, everything in its power to ensure the neutralisation, for the foreseeable future, of any such element.
112 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 13th, 2014 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0All your whining and moaning!!!!!
You are still not going to have the Falkland islands.
They are not yours,
they never have been yours and..........
they are NEVER going to be yours.
thankyouohsoverymuch.
10P.Argentino.UN resolutions? - Which one is UK contravening? Not so long ago in a media interview UN Sec General BankiMoon confirmed that UK is NOT contravening ANY FORMAL BINDING UN Resolution.
Mar 13th, 2014 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the informal ones- even we Islanders have offered direct talks to your Govt - who REFUSE each time.
You and Marcos do need to assemble facts rather than fantasy.
Poor Argentina. Such self loathing.
Mar 13th, 2014 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0If only they hadn't invaded in 1982, the FCO probably would have transferred sovereignty regardless of the Islander's wishes.
And all those Malvinistas have to live with that knowledge everyday.
86 Axel Axel Axel
Mar 13th, 2014 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0your answer ignores the question.
the chair of the UN decolonazion comittee has his opinion that the Falklands are a special case.
This is the opposite of actual resolutions passed by the UN General assembly.
The actual resolutions passed by the UNGA make no mention of “special cases” and catagorically state that all people of NSGTs have the right to self-determination!.
i am sorry you ignore the question.]
The decolonization committee chairs view is not reflected inthe position of the UNGA, the UNSC or the ICJ.
Must be scary when an Argentine spokesperson talks about a “non-people entitled to nothing”.......probably similar to what General Roca said before starting on his genocidal adventures.
Mar 13th, 2014 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0What would CFK do to get her head on a peso bill?
Give head maybe? Now that's a nasty thought!
@112 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 13th, 2014 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the truth comes home you ignore it viz. my 73. Now you come with more nonsense (@112) about two totally different matters, one has nothing to do with the other. You even put it within quotation marks as if you are quoting other people when it is a diatribe from you.
Grow up, pibe!
Well considering that the kind generous polite British government gives rotten ungrateful deluded Argentina over a hundred million quid each year,
Mar 13th, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you argies are last people to complain abt us using our money on others,
still
that's ungrateful greedy Argentina for you.
If I were president, Argentina would recognize the Falklands (admittedly I know as things stand today I would be shot down), but it should never engage in talks with the islanders. Only sovereign nations deserve that level of bilateralism.
Mar 13th, 2014 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@86 Let's try, once again, to get through to you. You say that the matter of the Falkland Islands has been considered a “special case” since 1965 and, to an extent, I agree with you. It's a “special case” in that there is a country that governs itself but is labelled “non self-governing” by a bunch of retards because it suits them. Let's take it step by step, axel. The Falkland Islands are a UN trustee state. The UK is required, by the UN, to undertake certain functions. There is a “problem” in that a nearby bunch of mendacious bandits would attack if the territory were not protected. The mendacious bandits have said so. There are factors that must be noted. The people are British. (British Nationality (Falkland Islands) Act 1983). The territory is British. There was this little competition. You lost. Argieland and both the decolonisation committee and the general assembly are irrelevant. And an acceptable solution is what?
Mar 13th, 2014 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@89 Not too bad. Three paragraphs of drivel. Followed by three paragraphs of lies. Tell us, o wise one, did you donate all your belongings to some of the “citizens” of Tierra del Fuego when argieland repudiated an arbitration agreement and began preparing for war? Typical argie. Lie, cheat, steal. Doesn't matter which order.
@92 A fatuous argie. Still typical. “We'll make up the rules”. I've got a slightly different “game” for you. Your “government” owes billions of dollars. Let's call it US$100 billion. Are you going to sell all your belongings to help pay those debts? They are YOUR debts. You've already had the money. Are YOU selling everything? If not, why not?
This lovely lady Watson say:
Mar 13th, 2014 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...The Argentine Government does not see us as a people and as such has no respect for us....”
Is that truth ?? why that be ??
Lisa Watson and the newspaper where she work respect Argentineans and her president ??
1) Falklands newspaper calls Argentine president 'bitch'
“When an Argentine political scientist took to Twitter to ask the Penguin News editor, Lisa Watson, if she knew the picture had been labelled ”bitch“, she replied: ”Erm, oops - not now you'll find.”
http://www.theweek.co.uk/americas/falkland-islands/45164/falklands-newspaper-calls-argentine-president-bitch#ixzz2vrjHZISV
2) “Falkland Islands newspaper calls Cristina Fernández de Kirchner a bitch”
http://www.theweek.co.uk/americas/falkland-islands/45164/falklands-newspaper-calls-argentine-president-bitch#ixzz2vrjHZISV
Maybe attidude like this from yourself could help to understand the real nature of your squatting existence since your 6th generation and the respect you show to others. Keeping in mind your job in a media.......the only media in the islands, so you see the power and the responsability of your actions.
You and your people are a “treasure” that everybody know so well in LatAm Lisa....continue your job “blondie”
Darling one day justice will arrive there, thats a fact..
So somebody called la Kretina a “bitch”? Big deal! I was with some Argentine friends here in the UK last night and “bitch” was mild compared to some of the names she was called during the evening.
Mar 13th, 2014 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So grow up and don't be so sensitive!
#125
Mar 13th, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 06th generation squatter ? When did your forebears arrive from Europe to squat in Argentina ?
125. I think that was pretty funny and very accurate.
Mar 13th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get a sense of humor.
Actually spent 4 months defending the falklands as part of the RIC in 91.
Mar 13th, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its good training and the RAF can fly everywhere without really annoying anyone.
So_far says:
Mar 13th, 2014 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Darling one day justice will arrive there, thats a fact.”
2014.
Still waiting.
so_far = Think = DoD = A_Voice = Surfer = about half of the Argie supporters' names on MP
Mar 13th, 2014 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another nail in the English pirate's coffin hey Think? Must be some coffin with all of the nails you Malvinistas have driven into it.
Within the next 25 years I am going to end world poverty. Prove me wrong.
131 Joe Bloggs
Mar 13th, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry Joe, never mind the half baked fantasies of the Troll brigade, Simon68 is back.
To see him deliver the slap down to the resident Trolls is something that just doesn't get old!!!
I'm telling you, he must have an awesome responsibility, being the only clear thinker in argentina.
I am loving all the talk about “Non peoples” and so on..... it makes you really want to be governed by them doesn't it?
Is this what “argentine charm” looks like?
Anyway my brother and sisters in the South Atlantic, you keep on being a success and being safe while sticking two fingers up at all those in B.A and don't worry, we've got your back.
Simon68
Mar 13th, 2014 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Welcome back - glad you are well !
@110 Port Jackson
Mar 14th, 2014 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“to respect the 2065 UN resolution from right now Benny.”
Like respecting the bits mentioning Granting of Independence to colonial peoples? Taking into account the interests of the population(NOT Argentina's or UK's population)? And with regard to the UN Charter?
And the bit about peaceful resolution ignored by Argentina in 1982?
What about Resolution 502 (BINDING) that Argentina ignored?
You can't just pick and chose resolutions-you either ignore all of them or obey them all.
@112
“A referendum held among their survivors and dependants would almost certainly produce a result that would embarrass the British government”
They should be allowed back even if it's not to Diego Garcia, but another Island in the group. There is in fact another Island which is more suitable as the rainfall is higher than on D G..-Argentina have no right to criticise the UK for expelling the Chagos Islanders as they want to expel the Falkland Islanders. If the Argentines agree with the Chagos Islander's right to self-determination, why are they denying it for the Falkland Islanders?
@125
”1) Falklands newspaper calls Argentine president 'bitch'“
So do lots of Argentines-in fact CFK's screwed over her own country more than she's affected the Falkland Islands, i.e. CFK has made the Falklands stronger and Argentina weaker, since she has been in power.
”of your squatting existence since your 6th generation“
Like the way you have been squatting on Indian land for the same amount of time? Go home to Spain, squatter.
”Darling one day justice will arrive there, thats a fact..“
Correct, in the form of Independence.
@129 Martin
”Its good training and the RAF can fly everywhere without really annoying anyone.”
However, it was a little disconcerting going for a walk (near Turkey Rocks) and having to hit the deck to avoid a collision with a low flying Phantom, (the sound of freedom). My only regret-my camera was in my Bergan.
@125
Mar 14th, 2014 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0”1) Falklands newspaper calls Argentine president 'bitch'“
Not “official” policy of the paper, as it was retracted, but I'm sure that is exactly what everyone thinks - they are entitled to have their own opinions, and rightly so.
@Conqueror
Mar 14th, 2014 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Among other stupid things (what is already your habit) once you wrote that you would send a letter to the UK PM urging him to spend more money in the defense of the island. You don't need to send just a letter. Be more active. You can send your money voluntarily.
You can also send the UK PM letters inviting him to cancel the air conection between Chile and the FI. You can also start a campaign in the media to cancel the flights. After all Argentina is just a “shithole” or the “dark country”. Who would like to fly over something like this?
Conqueror..I want to see you moving !!!!..... Otherwise you are not a patriot.....you are just a charlatan. You are just “bla bla bla..”
By the way I voted in favour of the agreement between Chile and Argentina at that time. So I didn't have to collect any money.
121 Gordo1 “You even put it within quotation marks as if you are quoting other people when it is a diatribe from you”
Mar 14th, 2014 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong as usual gordito. written by British.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/03/falklands-sovereignty-treaty
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/03/falklands-sovereignty-treaty
Apologies in advance for going slightly of topic - clearly the Falkland Islanders have great dentists. What a wonderful smile she has.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone here ever think Argentina will behave more sensibly in future or is the Falklands Islands far too useful a tool in the political tool box for manipulating the population?
138 JollyGoodFun
Mar 14th, 2014 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0No apologies needed, most English are amazed as well to find people with good teeth outside England, in this particular place Malvinas Argentinas.
@ 137 So why didn't you acknowledge the sources of your “information”? That is the correct thing to do, boludo!
Mar 14th, 2014 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0As far as being wrong, according to my estimates you are so bloody ignorant 99% of the time it is you who is misinformed or just WRONG!
@136
Mar 14th, 2014 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does this mean Argentina will be taking up a public collection to fund its next invasion? Maybe you could sell some bonds or something?
140 Gordo1
Mar 14th, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like I said clearly you were wrong, as usual.
About you call me “boludo”, well I have to say that you are right about that one. No missing parts down there and certainly I am not a circumcised Catholic like some English gorditos...
@139 - I'm Scottish and raised in England. Yep the English have nice teeth, so do Australians, Americans, Canadians, Europeans( especially Gemans), New Zealanders and an elite club of other nations.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately Argentines don't due to the amount of crap they eat from their Goverment officials a make believe history and economic competency.
Talking of make believe and utter crap, where is this fictitious Malvinas you're harping on about, somewhere on planet Zod hanging from a mobile on El Thinks bedroom ceiling?
We're talking about the real world and not your imagination.
Gord01
Mar 14th, 2014 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You called it correctly.
MARCOS is talking crap - can't back up what he says, even when directly challenged.
Further proof he has NO CREDIBILITY.
His remarks are put “throwaways” only - easily dismissed, with no substance.
PURE DISTRACTION - best ignored as worthless.
Kirchner is a bitch - like Galtieri.
Mar 14th, 2014 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands are Britsh.
Argentinians have big mouths.
Lisa Watson
Mar 14th, 2014 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could pose as a British rose,
Clean, bright, honest, good looking, and clean teeth,
Talking abt teeth,
It appears some Argies do have clean teeth,
Mainly the ones they took from some poor sod..
Still,
Use em or lose em..lol
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7 yankeeboy (#) Should not you be plucking penguins?
Mar 14th, 2014 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, should not you?
Mar 15th, 2014 - 02:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahahahaha
@141 HansNiesund
Mar 15th, 2014 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0That means the concept of “willingness to pay”. Do you know it? You are a person that likes to deeply study things. You like to have ideas. Please, I invite you to study this concept. I regularly apply it when doing social project evaluations.
Means the money people would be willing to pay for something. A Government TV program, Public Services, etc. You will be quite surprise because usually people don;t have any idea about the cost of public things. In addition, they don't consider it real until they are directly charge for it.
Basically, in this case the question would be “how much of your money you would spend directly to defened the FI”. How much money you would accept deducted from the salary you collect regularly?
I am pretty sure that the UK taxpayers don't have any idea about the money invested (or wasted) in defending the Islands.
HansNiesund, how much of your money you would accept to regularly pay in additional taxes to protect the Islands? 100 GBP (additional) per month? 10 GBP (additional) per month?
I am pretty sure that Argentine people would accept to pay more money of their regular income than British people.
In addition, you (or any other of the people tat regularly write here) can make donations to protect the FI instead of waiting for the taxes.
@149 - thankfully a good majority of people in the Uk understand the need for strategy and influence to ensure good ideologies rise and nasty ones suppressed (hence foreign aid).
Mar 15th, 2014 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most importantly we understand the need to defend the important principle of self determination. We know, as most of the civilised world, just how destructive imperialism is.
The Islanders have the right to self determination. They have the right to live peacefully in the land their ancestors worked hard to tame.
I for one, as many of my UK friends would also l, gladly pay more in taxes to ensure the world remains a place where freedom is enshrined in the principles of international governing institutions.
The difference with having Venezuela for an ally to having the Uk as an ally, is that the UK will sacrifice money, blood, time and effort to ensure their interests are protected.
149 Pgerman- How many times have we been over this fantasy before? - yet still you believe it! There would be NO savings of money to the UK taxpayer if Brtish Forces were not in the Falklands.
Mar 15th, 2014 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why?- Because there would be NO reductions in Br Forces- they would just be elsewhere in UK and other postings- these troops are part of the revised force levels as part of the UK Defence forces - they would not be paid off, nor their equipment.
A few million would be saved in transportation costs but that would be well cancelled out by the losses to the UK economy in exports to the islands and UK jobs in the Islands to UK personnel paid for by the Falklands Govt.
Your own Govt has made it clear enough that if there were no UK forces here- then Arg forces would re-occupy the Islands again.
Get it yet? here would be NO savings to UK taxpayers - that is why they are not concerned. But UK will stand up for democratic principles.
@151- well said Islander. We in the British Isles know how productive you guys are.
Mar 15th, 2014 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have your back as you have ours.
It cost the mod 1% of its budget gives good training facilities and keeps argentina in check.
Mar 15th, 2014 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0You'd know they would go facist given half a chance. Just look at
Fact their military got defeated was good for argentina and its neighbours
@149
Mar 15th, 2014 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0National security is the business of the state. It's what the state is for. It's ridiculous to think you can finance it by passing the hat round those who are willing to pay, or running a tombola stand, or a car boot sale.
It's also ridiculous to think that any citizen is going to go to these lengths to analyse items of government expenditure, and even more so to think that if they did the costs of Falklands defence would be anywhere near the top of the list.
And as others have told, the Falklands is quite simply not a cost issue. It might have been once, but Argentina has ensured, and continues to ensure, that the Falklands is a question of core values, and cost is only a minor consideration in the defence of these. The junta already made the mistake of thinking otherwise, and there is even less justification for making the same mistake now, given the willingness to expend blood and treasure you already saw in 1982.
It's time you faced it: the only chance Argentina will ever have of acquiring the islands is through the consent of the islanders. A healthy society would draw the necessary and obvious conclusion, yet Argentina does precisely the opposite.
#149
Mar 15th, 2014 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In addition, you (or any other of the people tat regularly write here) can make donations to protect the FI instead of waiting for the taxes.
What a stupid meaningless statement !!
In the general pool of taxation, part of it is allocated to the defence budget. There is NO special surcharge made for individual scenarios.
Within the defence budget, the Govt./MOD decide on the priorities. There is no referendum on how it should be spent or means of allocating monies “gifted” by the public to any particular field if action. It is decided in parliament by our elected M.P.'s
If the Falklands were threatened by Argentina again, then part of our forces would be allocated in their defence depending on the level of threat.
No monetary value can be put on this.
JollyGood Fun, Islander1, HansNiesund and Clyde15.
Mar 15th, 2014 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't understand some concepts.
“Willingness to pay” is a real concept usually used to determine the will to spend money in public investments such as a new subway line, a bus stop, etc. It is perfectly applicable in the FI case. That's is one of the reasons why Governments, even the most serious ones, prefer to keep some information hidden from the taxpayers.
I'm wondering whether UK taxpayers, even the poorest ones, are quite aware of the cost of defenden the FI. Taking into account the way you react when I mentioned the budget I really doubt they know...
In addition, self determination was not a “sacred” principle in the case of the Chagos Islands people. Or in the case of the Hong Kong people. So, it seems that for the UK Governments is not a rule to follow and respect.
As regards the cost of defending the FI you all keep on making the very same mistake. Basically, any resource, either human or material, deployed in the FI defense must be applied to its budget. The concept “if it were not in the Island it would be somewhere else” is not an accountancy principle.
Again, if the UK Governments consider the defense, and the so called “freedom” of the Islanders, so important that they doesn't care about money whay are you still using direct flights between Chile and the Islands? You can stop these flights and the bothering issue of depending from the good will of Argentina. After all, it's just money that you consider “not an issue”....
@156
Mar 16th, 2014 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“So, it seems that for the UK Governments is not a rule to follow and respect.”
The Chagos issue has not finished yet.
But what about the self determination on St Helena, Tristan da Cunha, Bermuda, Pitcairn Islands Gibraltar and the other BOTs?
Is the UK denying them self determination as well?
“Basically, any resource, either human or material, deployed in the FI defense must be applied to its budget”
In the UK there is an overall defence budget that includes all of the UK''s defence costs.
“whay are you still using direct flights between Chile and the Island”
Because Chile earn £millions in trade and the Islanders pay for what they buy.
Islanders also use the direct flights between the Falklands and the UK.
If the flights from Chile are stopped, the Argentine war veterans and Chilean workers will have to take a 32,000 mile return flight.
@156 - are you an Argentine really trying to tell Brits how we feel about our defence budget being put to good use?
Mar 16th, 2014 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you really telling Brits who openly support the Falkland Islanders, openly state all the benifits of having the Falklands Islanders as a protected ally, that what we really mean is that they're too expensive and we should leave them to Argentine imperialism?
Ha ha, pull the other one.
Your comments are like a bin man telling a physics professor all about the laws of physics, and how the professor should look at the laws physics like the bin and does albeit he bin man has no understanding.
Keep peddling your rubbish.
@157 Pete Bog
Mar 16th, 2014 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Chagos has not finished yet”. That's 100% true. Basically, because history never ends but, for the time being, UK Governments acted ignoring Chagos people even the most basic human rights. This is a hughe contradiction between the retoric and actual events. FI issues has not finished yet since history never stops.
“In the UK there is an overall defence budget that includes all of the UK''s defence costs”. This comment doesn't add anything. If a UK submarine is sent to patrol British interest all over the World the months, weeks or days operating in the South Atlantic area must be added to the budget of defending the FI. That's the way budgets are.
Argentine veterans and relatives of the fallen soldiers go to the FI for humanitarian reasons. They cannot go to any other place than the FI to honor their relatives. But the Islanders go to Chile using the Argentine Air Space becuase they (and the UK Government) don't want to spend additional money. Something that contradicts some arrogant comments about the Islanders and British wealth and their lack of care of the money spent in the defense of the Islands.
As I have already mentioned, the UK and the Islanders have always done the very same. Taking advantage of anything possible from Argentina (as it was in the past). So, this attitude contradics the alledged careless about money.
@158 JollyGoodFun
I'm not telling you about anything. You can ignore my comments if they bothers you. I don't know why but every single time “the money issue is under discussion” some people lose their's temper.
Pgerman
Mar 16th, 2014 - 04:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0The FI don't want to accept CFK's offer to have Aerolineas Argentina be the sole carrier between Stanley and BA.
They don't want to have to rely on Argentina and they don't wish to accept her terms that Argentinians will not need passports for FI and get a free pass through FI Customs.
Pgerman
Mar 16th, 2014 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0The idea that the islanders should abandon the LAN flight is about the bizarrest accountancy principle yet. Haven't you heard about the principles of economy, efficiency, and effectiveness?
What the Chagos episode shows is that one time there were people in the FCO who were perfectly happy to ride roughshod over the rights of people who were geopolitically inconvenient. It's no secret either that these attitudes were already in evidence with regard to the Falklands before the 1982 invasion.
What you can't seem to grasp is that your 1982 war has made any such attitude politically impossible to sustain, now and for the foreseeable future. You lost, big time, deservedly, and by your own hand.
You can also be sure, incidentally, that had Argentina invaded Chagos instead, we would have kicked your arse out of there too, regardless of cost.
It's interesting, though, that this question of cost has suddenly popped up in all the forums where the falklands get discussed, as if it's being orchestrated. You can probably find one or two Brits here and there who still retain enough of an imperial mindset that they would set cost above core values and human rights. Curiously, these tend to be on the left, which is just another example of the perverse logic that pertains to what is really a simple issue. But there are few of these people around, and harping on about cost is just yet more desperate clutching at straws.
Why Argentina clings so desperately to this cult of victimhood, when you were never victims in the first place, is a mystery to me. Most peoples I know of would find it infantile and demeaning.
#159
Mar 16th, 2014 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0If a UK submarine is sent to patrol British interest all over the World the months, weeks or days operating in the South Atlantic area must be added to the budget of defending the FI. That's the way budgets are.
How do you attribute costs of a submarine in the S.Atlantic to the defence of the Falklands? Do you do it by it's geographical location ? At what point in the ocean do you “allocate” these costs ? What latitude and longitude ?
Do you count the number of ICBM's targeted against Argentina.
Suppose there are none, then we must discount that against your costs.
The time to allocate costs is when there is a direct threat to a specific area,until then it would come under general training.
You assume that costs are negative only. Yes, there are costs for the garrison on the Falklands ,however, there are also benefits such as training which in many cases can be better done there than in the UK, with less upset to the lives of the local populace.
We have sovereign bases in Cyprus. Their purpose is not to defend the island but as a staging post, intelligence gathering station and training area for the benefit of the UK. The benefits must out-way any costs.
You make the assumption that the money spent from the UK defence budget is entirely negative and a drain with no benefits. As an UK taxpayer I disagree.
You have NO say in the matter.
@pgerman,
Mar 16th, 2014 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely none of your business what UK spends on defence of the Falklands.
Or in fact what the UK does at all.
But l'm sure that the UK taxpayer is grateful for your concerns.
And it is Argentina's fault that the UK spends ANYTHING on defence of the Falklands.
lf your silly country stopped all its lies & threats, then nothing would be spent on defence, because we wouldn't need to.
To protect against Argentina's lies & aggression is why we need defence.
No other enemy.
lf you feel so much for the UK taxpayer, then maybe Argentina should refund the money that they spend on our defence.
After all, YOUR country is the cause of it.
Hope this helps.
160
Mar 17th, 2014 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Having AA to be the sole link between FI and the continent would be suicidal. Those f*ck heads don't even know how to run an airline. Nevertheless do they know about diversity or how to debate based on reason.
All they have is this “Recalde” turnip (yeah ... I gotta give it up to you Think!) that is just an apprentice of air travel business.
# 163 Isolde Well said! To have Argentines and their supporters advance the 'cost to the UK' argument in support of their case is just plain stupid.
Mar 17th, 2014 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0But I am sure the people of the UK are deeply touched by their concern for the welfare of the Exchequer, it’s a pity they don’t show the same concern for their own.
An Argentinean highlighting or castigating or bemoaning or denigrating UK defense spending in the Falkland Islanda is akin to a rapist blaming his victim for wearing a miniskirt.
Mar 17th, 2014 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0And then berating her for taking self defence lessons afterwards.
@159 - who's getting angry? We're all just highlighting what another load of crap you Argentines are spouting on here.
Mar 17th, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Usual trolling of the lowest degree, waa give something that is not ours, waa it's the USA's fault we're screwed, waa it's the UK's fault we're screwed, waa big business steals from us, waa the UK is militarising the South Atlantic, waa the Falkland Islands costs the UK so much.... Big bloody, strange babies you paid Argentine trolls.
Like Gollum you sub people have more split personalities than Mr McCrazy owner of Whack Amole, and are crazier than a box of frogs and a bag of cats.
The most hilarious thing is that you gents are actually paid by the Argentine government. That makes you the equivalent of MI5 and MI6 in some cases......... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, I'm crying with laughter at the terrible lack of competency at all levels of Argentine government and institutions.
Oh my days!
How about laughing at Obam Moms Jean incompetency?
Mar 17th, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you get to watch the usa televised night shows?
Well I guess that the British would not be so happy especially those living in poverty and depending on food banks to eat if they realise that UK spend 125 millions in those Islands while not getting nothing in exchange.
Mar 17th, 2014 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gs-ueJRgZs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gs-ueJRgZs
It is not really sad and criminal?...
#169
Mar 17th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Explain “nothing in exchange”. Your definition.
We get the satisfaction of reading the posts your trolls deliver ad naseum knowing that you are burning with suppressed rage at how ineffectual your country is in dealing with the Falklands.
@170
Mar 17th, 2014 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why the UK keeps responding the argentinian claim?
As argentinian, I repeat, keep the slum islands in your ars*!
171 sussie@usa
Mar 17th, 2014 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok you trailer park trash, answer this one then:-
If you don't want the islands, if we British can “keep the slum islands in your ars*!”
What are you doing on here defending argentine rights to them?
You know, a lack of brain power is a sure sign of inbreeding.
169 DanyBerger
Well I guess that the Argentinians would not be so happy especially those living in poverty and depending on food banks to eat if they realise that KFC has stolen all the money they've paid in taxes and stripped the country bare.
I bet they will love the TV pictures of KFC's numerous shopping spree's in Paris while they are “bin diving” for their next meal.
@172
Mar 17th, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't live in a usa made trailer....
the usa made trailers are made for usa citizens and uk citizens
What are you all doing posting in Mercopress, the same thing, over and over....
How about Obama expensive vacations in Hawaii while the TWO millons of long term unemployed citizens are not receiving payment since 12/27/2013..?
The TWO millons long term unemployed usa citizens spend Christmas without a good dinner while Obambi and members of the usa congress all took their christmas vacations with their paycheck....
Suzzie and Danny Berger.
Mar 17th, 2014 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok so now let's get back to the real issue (rather than the farcical non issues you've attempted to raise to divert).
The headline of this article pretty sums up you Argentine trolls.
So how on earth can the Argentine government claim the UK are a pretty horrible bunch due to previous decisions regarding the Chagos Inhabitants when you openly support a far worse crime to be committed to the Falkland Islanders?
It is also common knowledge that the highest levels of the UK Government and civil service are assessing the practicalities of returning the inhabitants and most importantly developing an infrastructure and local economy that they will be self sufficient.
Imagine if Argentina stopped playing the victim while attempting to commit heinous crimes of theft and aggression, and instead developed their infrastructure and economy.
What a wonderful place Argentina could be.
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