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Major scandal in UK: program reveals fetal remains used to heat hospitals
Thousands of babies who had died from abortion and miscarriage were being used to heat hospitals in Britain. An investigation has found that baby corpses go to the incinerator as clinical waste, aside from using the remains as fuel to keep British hospitals warm. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThat's disgusting...
Mar 26th, 2014 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0So are you Stevie...
Mar 26th, 2014 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie- for once I agree with you! stupid ingnorant callous attitude by some beaurocrats who could do with having to look for new jobs.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think we should call these things for what they are medically: medical waste, just like an amputated limb or the fat excised by lipo-suction.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0What they are NOT is a BABY.
No babies were burnt. Dead BABIES are returned to their parents for burial or cremation and the remains treated with respect.
Health Minister Dan Poulter is just doing what his “focus group” have told him the ignorant masses will “take” from this “news”. Also he is shit scared of making himself look like he KNEW what was going on.
@2 Must agree with you. But perhaps “Stevie” is foetal remains!
Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'... Authority has been asked to “act on the issue” '
Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the act they did on the issue was incineration.
Remember a foetus is only part of the issue -
even placentae need disposal,
and you can't expect the patients to take them home.
Incineration or incarceration? - perhaps all bits removed should have a 'funeral'/burial in consecrated ground. A leg, an eyeball, a cancer, the President's brain?
No, the 'issue' is
i. whether the heat from a hospital incinerator should be used for space/water heating, or
ii. whether tissue waste should be incinerated separately and voided to the atmosphere.
No, the general public just don't want to think about these things and get decidedly schizophrenic when forced to think about the 'issues'.
I was trying to find this...
Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-23104502
As ever never let the FACTS or TRUTH get in the way of a salacious headline.
Seems efficient and environmentally effective.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4
Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think we should call atheists for what they are in evolutionary terms: accidental organic junk, just like a fish or a chicken.
What they are NOT is a HUMAN.
Humans teat life with respect from the moment of conception to the time beyond death.
Of course we can expect the ignorant but very vocal atheist minority to try to twist the definition of humanity to justify any inhuman action.
I have two problems with this:
Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) I would have thought that burning human tissue was energy negative, due to its high water content. In other words you have to put more energy in than you get out as heat.
2) If you have crossed that moral threshold and decided that it is ok to terminate pregnancies, then the method of disposal is comparatively immaterial.
Major scandal
Mar 26th, 2014 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this has no doubt had the argy experts / trolls all in a rage...lol
@10 Condorito
Mar 26th, 2014 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What most people don't understand is that some pregnancies are terminated because the foetus is already dead, or so deformed that it could not possibly survive to full term anyway, or to carry on with the pregnancy would put the mothers life at risk.
One only has to look at the recent death in Ireland, where the woman was left to die, even though the foetus was dead, because they don't terminate pregnancies in Ireland.
The majority of termination of pregnancies aren't because the parent or parents don't want the child, it's because of the reasons listed above.
Also when a woman miscarries, there is quite often tissue (whether part of the foetus or placenta) left behind, which if NOT removed would cause infection and death in the woman.
So just what moral threshold are you talking about? The foetus's pseudo life before the mother's? Or perhaps we should just let them both die, because that would be God's will, wouldn't it?
Of course if God didn't want us to save people with medicine, He surely would've mentioned something about that in the Bible, wouldn't he? Yet I've read the Bible, and the Koran, and I've yet to see ONE thing that says 'Thou shalt not use medicine to save people's lives', and since God knows everything that has been, everything that is and everything that will be, surely He would've mentioned something if he disagreed, wouldn't he?
The Dark Kingdom of Satan strikes again...
Mar 26th, 2014 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now they throw babies into incinerators to heat swimming pools...
What next?
May be they will use death pensioners to heat their swimming pools?
@LEPRecon
I love your fervent defence Of The Dark Kingdom Of Satan keep trying...
UKistan is economically so bad that you have to use rest of humans to low heating bills.
“Largest study into poverty reveals extent of deprivation in the UK”
“Today 33 per cent of the UK population suffers from multiple deprivation — it was 14 per cent in 1983, and over 30 million people (almost half the population) are suffering some degree of financial insecurity. These are just some of the stark findings from the largest and most authoritative study of poverty and deprivation ever conducted in the UK”.
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2013/9270.html
“The parents of those lost or aborted children were not consulted about what was going to happen to those remains. In at least one hospital, mothers of 797 babies lost before 13 weeks of gestation were told the remains had been “cremated.””
Mar 26th, 2014 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and there are some imbeciles here who think they were “medical waste” or rubbish.
not a surprise, though.
@ 12 Lep
Mar 26th, 2014 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What has god to do with this?
Morality is wider than religion. I am not religious.
Are you really asking what I am referring to by “moral threshold” in a thread about abortion?
Deciding to terminate pregnancy is a morally contentious issue. If you don't think so, why draw the line at 20 weeks, or 22 weeks, why not push it out to 30 weeks? 35 weeks even?
10
Mar 26th, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I would have thought that burning human tissue was energy negative, due to its high water content. In other words you have to put more energy in than you get out as heat. ”
you are right
putting aside moral issues, incinerating corpses as a source of energy is absolutely ridiculous
@15 Condorito
Mar 26th, 2014 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are assuming that all the foetus's were aborted - as in healthy foetus's, when in fact, the majority of terminations would've been done for the reasons I alluded to in my post.
Is it moral to abort a healthy foetus? Well it would depend on the circumstances. I believe that the victims of rape should have to right to abort the foetus if they become pregnant because of that rape. They shouldn't have to put up with the trauma of the pregnancy.
Like you I don't believe in using abortion as a form of birth control (there are plenty of other methods for that in this day and age).
But my contention is that you appear to believe that abortions are only carried out on healthy unwanted foetus's.
The medical term for abortion is 'Termination of Pregnancy' or TOP.
A TOP covers everything from miscarriage, to removing a dead foetus, or removing a foetus that is so deformed that they wouldn't survive the term of the pregnancy, let alone outside the womb. I've seen foetus's without brains, one that didn't have a head - only the brain stem, and it would be cruel indeed to force a woman to carry that to term, then go through the trauma of child birth, only to be presented with a dead deformed thing that you couldn't recognise as human let alone a child.
I apologise if I misjudged you, but people have to understand that the word 'abortion' doesn't mean exactly what people believe it means.
As for the method of disposal. Well perhaps there could've been a more sensitive way of going about it, but most tissue (whether is be aborted foetus's or an amputated leg) is incinerated because of the risk of bio-contamination.
@ 17 Lep
Mar 26th, 2014 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not assuming that at all. I fully understand the range of reasons for abortions. In my post @10 you will see that what I am saying is that in the moral minefield of terminating pregnancies (from dead foetus to healthy 22 week old) the method of disposal is almost immaterial. I would add to that your point that a more sensitive would have been a good idea.
I am also saying that the headline claiming that the incineration of foetuses is being used to heat hospitals is probably inaccurate. I am sure it could be demonstrated that removing the foetuses from the waste would improve the efficiency of the heating system.
@LEPRecon
Mar 26th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are the doctor Frankenstein from The Dark Kingdom Of Satan.
I just wonder where is Igor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo
@19 Dany
Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Run along grown ups are talking.
@18 - Condorito
I apologise if I've misunderstood you, but too many people confuse aborting a healthy foetus with an abortion on medical grounds.
Condirito
Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Human bio-waste is always incinerated unless interred as it is a highly effective agent for the transmission of disease as well as reduce the icidence of having human body parts transported and dump somewhere and potentially used for nefarious purposes.
While it may not be efficient to burn human bio-waste for energy, the simple fact is that is is burnt in some form somewhere. I believe that incinerating it closest to the source is safest. And as an incenerator will be run for this purpose, utilising it to recover some energy is more efficient than not.
Many things can be used as a heat source.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Morally, fetal remains is just not one of them.
I'm glad you lot don't work in the UK department of Health and that they've stopped this procedure.
As an atheist and a human being.
13 DanyBerger
Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Now they throw babies into incinerators to heat swimming pools...”
Can you provide the link that backs up this claim please?
@ Lep
Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No problem.
@ Anglotino
Yes, I agree with that.
Likely just mixed in with clinical waste. Thoughtless behaviour but I don't think it was intentional. Purposeful use of foetuses as a heat source would be Nazi like behaviour and I doubt this is the case!
Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aborted foetuses at
@ 9 Bongo
Mar 26th, 2014 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I think we should call atheists for what they are in evolutionary terms: accidental organic junk, just like a fish or a chicken.”
I take it that you eat fish and chicken, most people do? So you eat organic junk as well as spouting idiocies?
So I am not human, but somebody who has been brainwashed by their mom and dad into believing in the man in the sky who will alternately “love you” OR you must “beware the wrath of God”, etc, etc. is?
You do realise that I was as stupid as you, NO, I take that back, I thought my mother and father KNEW the truth but it turned out they did not.
I was a high church head server (I helped the priest at the altar, etc) (I did not serve heads, though I could make an exception in your case) when I realised the truth for myself. I was 12 YO and found science, the ONLY truth in the universe.
We are an accident of the development of stars. The ONLY truth in the bible is the term “dust to dust, from dust we came and to dust we shall return”, the dust of course is star dust.
You must be really proud to live in that little world of yours, spouting bile and hatred for those with intelligence. Why not chuck all the religious crap in the bin where it belongs and come and live life for yourself like the rest of us. When you are dead that’s it. No heaven, no hell, just nothingness for 4.6 billion years until our sun changes into a red giant and consumes the earth and everything that was ever on it and we will be back with the stars.
Great thought that, isn’t it? Or are you like most religious people and need to feel there is life after death because you are shit scared to die?
26 ChrisR
Mar 26th, 2014 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Chris!!! CHRIS!!!
God loves us all............................ ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!
Or, as Ricky Geavis once said:-
“Thank God I'm an atheist!!”
But, well said anyway, we have enough brain washed idiots on this forum without adding religious brain washed idiots into the mix as well.
Good Tool!
Mar 26th, 2014 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Auto-criticism is a great start!
You have my.... blessings...
28 Stevie
Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed Stevie.................. We have brain washed idiots on this forum, we have religious brain washed idiots on this forum.......and now there's you as well.
Well done Stevie, you are the kind of idiot on this forum.
@toooldtodieyoung
Mar 27th, 2014 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t forget the idiots brainwashed religious that have a Queen as a head of State in the Dark Kingdom Of Satan...
They are the worse....
By the way are you planning to burn some babies to make your next barbecue or are you just planing to eat them?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jbqCmuc_pKs/TeIE0dQVG9I/AAAAAAAABkA/DneOu-lGplU/s1600/Grilled+and+Barbecued+babies4.jpg
I remember Burn Baby Burn from the 1960s
Mar 27th, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- R&B disc jockey Magnificent Montague,
- the 1965 Watts Riots in Los Angeles.
Just thought Dany might like to know where her humour, #30, comes from.
The point of fact on this blog should be-
Mar 27th, 2014 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is it right or wrong to do what they are doing,
or the manner in which it is done..
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