MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Putin rings Cristina Fernandez to praise her Falklands/Crimea double-standard argument
Russia’s Vladimir Putin called President Cristina Fernández and praised Argentina’s position against the “double standard” of world powers in the resolution of international conflicts. The Argentine leader appealed to the examples of Crimea and the Falkland Islands' referendum in her statements last week in France. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesKFC said this, Argentina said that.....
Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0SFA in the Russian media about Putin saying anything..
More bullshit for the great unwashed back in RG land...yawn...
Putin must really be desperate to want the support of a crazy person like CFK....of course we only have Argentina's word that Putin said any such thing though...LOL
Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0And we all know how trustworthy the Argentine governments word is, don't we?
think Putin is looking for all the support he can get
Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is getting very bizarre now! She is complaining about the “support of the world powers for the referendum in the Falklands”, having previously insisted that no-one but the UK and the Falklands recognised its validity, and he is thanking her for her support, when he wants the Ukraine “shotgun” referendum to be recognised, exactly what she DOESN'T want in the Falklands.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Land snatchers of the world unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it my turn to go off topic???....
Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0'The leader of the dissident CGT “Azul y Blanca” umbrella union Luis Barrionuevo .. said that former late president Néstor Kirchner “screwed himself over by dying” and that the military dictatorship “stole and killed, but this government stole the most.”
Barrionuevo, an ally of Renewal Front leader Sergio Massa, uttered the statements during the Tierra de Locos radio programme.
“I had told you that you would soon know who the Kirchners really were. A decade went by and you didn’t pay attention. What you’re seeing is the government,” Barrionuevo stressed, before adding that Néstor Kirchner “was a stingy person who screwed himself over by dying at 60.”
He then gave some guarded praise to the neo-conservative policies of the 1989-1999 Carlos Menem national administration.
“The Menemist decade messed up manufacturing, but at least you knew what you had. Now you don’t because of inflation,” he went on.'
It's nice to know that Christina has changed her mind about our referendum, or does she belive referendums are only legal if thay are held by an invading force?
Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yep, in Argentina a referendum is only valid if it is carried out after an invasion and one which breaks the constitution of the invaded country and international law.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Russia really, really must be desperate
Sometimes it really is hard to keep up. Argentina voted against Russia in the UNSC, and now they're all cosying up together. Seems it's the question of voting that bothers Cristina, invasions are pretty much OK.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0”We wholeheartedly supports each others goals and aspirations, (regardless of how contradictory their are) because: my enemies enemy is my friend.”
Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bonkers.
Dictators sticking together, next she will be getting calls from Iran & North Korea. Stay classy Argentina.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Personally I 'Think' Mercopress has got it wrong with a headline like this. Putin/ KFC arent news. Here are a few headlines of much greater significance: -
Mar 26th, 2014 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2014/03/25/45-local-news-stories-that-rocked-the-world/
So - if the Crimea referendum was OK, will Cristina accept the Falklands' referendum ?? Bet ya :-)
Mar 26th, 2014 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Commies of the world...give it up. You are all doomed to failure. Russia has lost the confidence of the real world, and now needs the approval of the 3rd world dictatorships. Have they already forgotten what happened to Saddam, Khaddafi, and others of their ilk? They should read a few history books...hell just watch the real news, not the propaganda of TeleSur.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0What Putin really said to her after their “meeting” was: “that was a crap blow job” to which TMBOA retorted “well, I couldn't find you little dick you wanker”.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I bet the interpreters had a laugh.
The above comment is about as useful as this non-story, other than it was possibly true!
Fascist of a feather sticking together. Perhaps she sees Russia's oil in the same light as Iran's money when she stabbed the AIMA victims in the back. But no, she won't accept the Falklanders free and voluntary referendum. Votes only are valid when done at gunpoint and be they held by Putin or the fascist junta she shamelesly celebrated on a coin like when Germany did the coin celebrating their invasion of Poland... oh yeah.. they didn't.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The funniest part of this story is that they are actually talking at cross purposes in the detail of this.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kirchner is a devout supporter of “territorial inegrity” because she wants the Falklands and believes this argument entitles her to them. Conversely Putin is backing the concept of invasion follwed by “self determination” to lay his claim to Crimea. Neither would support the others claims based on this so they are sticking to some weird “isn't the world hypocritical” statement.
@15 - ha ha, bit crass but made me chuckle.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've a cousin who lives in Argentina (not really) therefore the UK government are going to invade the estate my cousin lives on and ask my cousin to vote for independence.
Yep, you've got it, now the UK owns a piece of Argentina (obviously not real as all sensible Brits would rather stuff bees up their arses than own anything with Cristina as the president).
I'm really surprised she hasn't been arrested for cocaine abuse, she is 100% on drugs, and not just muscle paralysing ones for her wrinkly scrotum sack face.
I don't get it.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does Russia support referenda for self-determination?
Does Argentina support referenda for self-determination?
If the answer is yes, then do they have a double standard?
So hard to keep up.
Why aren't there any argie/latam dimwits on here yet? Still waiting for the official “script” after consultations with the russian mafia boss? Now let's take a look. In 1954, the Crimea was officially handed to Ukraine by the Supreme Soviet. Some time before the Soviet Union collapsed into the cesspit of its own ineptitude. And the justification from intruding on an independent country is....? I wonder if it occurs to anyone that any country with a sizeable foreign population could be destroyed in the same way? Switzerland could be in real trouble! Of course, Putin's bumboy has to whitter about Russia's 4,500 nuclear warheads. Has he taken note of the U.S. 7,700? Or the French and UK contributions? How about 8,000 western warheads? And a phone-call to CFK? You can just imagine it in the Kremin. “What sort of dim fart-arse can we get to agree with us”? So let's not forget. When we have to destroy Russia, as we will have to, there is adequate justification to destroy argieland at the same time. Important not to make the same mistakes twice. Russia's actions in 1939-41, 1979-1989 and currently are enough to justify destruction. Argieland's genocide and attacks on “neighbours” are equally good justification. Including current illegitimacy. Can probably wipe out North Korea while we're at it. Anybody think of a good reason for mentioned places to be allowed to survive? But we need cameras. Just to watch Putin's, Kirchner's and both fat boys' faces melting at the same time.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 Why don't you get it?
This is the way it works;
Crimea: This is a Kalashnikov. Put your mark there, comrade.
Argieland: Do you want to eat? This is 500 pesos. Put your mark there, scum.
There, two free and fair referendums. After all, Putin and Kirchner wouldn't want to LOSE.
@19 Argentina and the Malvanazis here would have supported referenda on self-determination had their Junta only had the smarts to have one when their armed stormtroopers outnumbered the islanders in 1982. But yes, it's always Argentine Double Standard Time in Buenos Aires. You can set your watch by it.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kirchner on the wrong side of history .
Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unveiled: Massive 65,000-tonne Royal Navy warship - HMS Queen Elizabeth
Mar 26th, 2014 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2589540/Unveiled-Massive-65-000-tonne-Royal-Navy-warship-HMS-Queen-Elizabeth-long-TWENTY-EIGHT-London-buses-carry-2-300-crew.html
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HMS Queen Elizabeth: Britain's new aircraft carrier in detail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2589540/Unveiled-Massive-65-000-tonne-Royal-Navy-warship-HMS-Queen-Elizabeth-long-TWENTY-EIGHT-London-buses-carry-2-300-crew.html
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With 100 days to go before the Royal Navy's new aircraft carriers are launched
[ this one has the video.]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2589540/Unveiled-Massive-65-000-tonne-Royal-Navy-warship-HMS-Queen-Elizabeth-long-TWENTY-EIGHT-London-buses-carry-2-300-crew.html
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Meanwhile----
Fleet Modernization Drives Requirements Across South America
What do they [argies] have to gain..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2589540/Unveiled-Massive-65-000-tonne-Royal-Navy-warship-HMS-Queen-Elizabeth-long-TWENTY-EIGHT-London-buses-carry-2-300-crew.html
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Meanwhile, CFK has been invited to Russia, apparently putin is lonely,
And the black widow is seeking another victim for her illusive victory…
Joka ??
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Arg and russia agree in criticizing double standar of world power countries (that do what they want, not taking into account international law either - or werent invaded some poor countries without the consultating and approbation of ONU?-).
Mar 26th, 2014 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The double standar consists that if west power countries do what they want is ok (like UK in Chagos, Malvinas: invading in 1800, expelling, referendum etc), but if other countries copies them and do the same its bad (invading, referendum).
Arg is coherent, voted in favour Ucraine, because defends territorial integrity etc, the same way defends territorial integrity of Malvinas (also geographical historical and political arguments), and criticizes double standar.
@23
Mar 26th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As an Engineer I am astonished with such piece of “state of the art” developement. Really it will be a great ship.
But, reading “regular” people's comments and posts there it seems that some british taxpayers are not that happy.
Anyway...as I have already written..When are you going to get rid of argentine aggressiveness and start with direct flights between London and the FI?
..having such a “big wallet” I cannot understand how is that you are so stingy to keep on begging for Argentine Air Space.
“Conqui”.....have you started sending letters to the PM as you promissed?
I wonder if CFK expressed her disgust at Russia violating the territorial integrity of Ukraine or whether Putin reciprocated regarding the referendum in the Falklands?
Mar 26th, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We'll never know as neither likes to be interviewed.
25@
Mar 26th, 2014 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it will be a great ship
Yes, and some say better than the Americans in many ways, economical, automation, etc
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Some British taxpayers are not that happy.
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The cost keeps rising does not help; also some may not understand why we need them,
And all the cuts don’t help, as the rich seem to get richer?
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When are you going to get rid of argentine aggressiveness and start with direct flights between London and the FI
Cameron still looking for his backbone, he thinks we are all friends, and does not want trouble ?
As for flights,
This should have been done years ago,
just my opinion..
Putin is just using her as a easy target for he knows and understand how much of a opportunist she is.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Out of the sheer interest in rethorical nonesence she will try to get a statement against the UK and make it as if Russia supports Argentina's claim (when it clearly doesn't), just when she needs the West the most and his strugling to get new lines of credit. It's not that the UK has double standars, she has them and therefore she will just go along and get Argentina mixed up in global affairs that are completaly out of grasp of Argentina and gain absolutly nothing in the process.
The stupid fool thinks international politics and diplomacy work the same way they do as domestically.... What a stupid whore !! She just cant help it, she is just too much of a narcissist
CFK is only after Putins money.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But i think they are a perfect match.They are both single, they both know how to screw their population. They both have eyes beyond there borders on other lands.
When Putin removes his shirt CFK will be powerless
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Putin
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Mar 26th, 2014 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is not about Money. Its CFK that really feels big after Putin called her, the first thing she goes and does is tweet about the conversation. She is like a horny teen that gets to be called by the guy she fances, the guy as no other interest in using her for something (will Argentina be supporting future Russian annexations in the Baltics or in Moldavia?, Will Argentina recognize South Ossetia and Abhkazia?) and then she goes all happily about it to tell her friends.
“Ohh he called, he called ME, he called ME!!!!! ”
IN A COUNTRY OF SEPOYS.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know that it's not politicly correct to say this, but i don't care, i understand that in a website like this one, where many of our sepoys love defending the posture of their ex empire in decadence, making their characteristic partial lectures, it would be more convenient to say that the future of this conflict, depends only on the wishes of the islanders, however, the cause is much more complicated than this demagogical posture.
I have always said that the population from the islands should have a say in this conflict, because if according to our constitution, they are argentine, their opinions should be taken into account too.
However, the government from the islands and the u. k., have always said that they are disposed to discuss about different issues with the mainland, but not about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, anyway i know that our sepoys, the british, and the islanders will start dating what the charter from the u. n., or some other relevant resolution say in relation to self determination and it's application, as they often do, which is no more than their partial truth, due to beyond those objetive facts, it's also true that this cause has always been considered like a special case by the decolonization committe since 1965, where the case is analized every year, even after the result of the referendum
If you investigated deeply, you would know that not always public international right applies self determination for all the people under any circunstance.
I have never denied that perhaps self determination is finally applicable for this case, but if i take into account what has happened with it since 1965, i can only say that the application of that principle is hightly arguable.
Beside, i have always said also that only a rulling from i c. j. can determine whether self determination is applicable or not, but many of you know what i think about why none of both nations decides to give that step.
The very same day Russia gets expelled from G8, which essentially is Paris Club, CFK chooses to side with Russia. Given that goodwill from Paris Club is the only way Argentina can be saved now, one is left scratching one's head wondering what is going on inside the head of this woman.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do they say about “pot” and “kettle” and “black”(as in burnt)?
Mar 26th, 2014 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If the Crimea referendum is non-valid, which took place just a few kilometers away from Russia, much less validity can be attributed to an overseas colony, 13.000 kilometers away” said the Argentine president.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry the term proximity has no significance under international law, whereas freewill and freedom from cohesion are essential components of any referendum. Along with it being carried out according to international standards.
International law's view of claims based on proximity.
Under the Palmas decision, three important rules for resolving island territorial disputes were decided:
Firstly, title based on contiguity has no standing in international law.
The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine...
By Roberto C. Laver
p.74
International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,”
@31
Mar 26th, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what is the point of all this rubbish you keep posting ?
Forgive me Axel but what has all that got to do with anything? The Islands have been British since 1765 as you well know. You were thrown out in 1982 and you are never going to get back. Your rambling is pointless, as is your Presidents message from the poison dwarf. Argentina seems to want to become a leper colony by associating itself with odious dictators who make up laws to suit themselves. Same with Cuba and Venezuela.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I sense that you are in your twilight years, haven't you got something better to occupy your time?
Since CFK has chosen to denounce the inefficiency of sanctions that hinder constructive dialogue, can we assume she is going to stop trying to strangle the Falklander's economy?
Mar 26th, 2014 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31
Mar 26th, 2014 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I know that it's not politicly correct to say this, but i don't care”
Axel, I don't care because you rarely meet the challenges when questioned by posters here.
“, the cause is much more complicated than this demagogical posture.”
It is.
You say the United Provinces of the River Plate were Argentina.
That is not accurate.
You say Spain is the same as the United Provinces of the River Plate, also the same as Argentina.
They are not.
You have failed to say time and time and time and time again, HOW MANY OF VERNET'S SETTLERS in the 1820s WERE. BORN. IN. WHAT. IS. NOW. ARGENTINA?????????????????????????????????????????
Most of them apart from native Indians, were implanted from Europe-so there were few or little bone fide proto-Argentine population.
The latter population in 1833 that were not mostly European (the balance changed after the 1931 Lexington raid when the USA (i.e. not Britain) kicked out settlers, were South American born but the majority chose British rule,(I would argue they wanted to be Falkland Islanders (irrespective of origin)so were not that bothered about the ownership as long as they could live where they wanted-but that is speculation).
However please list the people that were born in South America that settled the Falklands in the 1820s (No, not that pirate Jewitt in 1820 who was from the USA (i.e not the UPOTRP) and who later fought on the Brazilian side vs the UPs).
“it's also true that this cause has always been considered like a special case by the decolonization committe since 1965, ”
The remit of the De-colonisation committee is to secure independence of the territories from their former owners.
The problem for the committee is some of those former colonies want more self-autonomy but not independence.
If it were not for Argentina's imperialist ambitions then the Falkland Islands would be now likely to be on a route to independence
The claim from Britain since (effectively with settlement ) from 1765 predates Vernet
Axel
Mar 26th, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you need a new set of wheels,
bbrrmm,,bbrrmm,,...lol
CFK couldn't help but to support Russia. The Peronists would love the Russians to kick the West in the nuts. But this isn't a good time to support Russia. Perhaps CFK already knows USA and Europe won't help her so she's looking to make a deal with Russia?
Mar 26th, 2014 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel
Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have never replied to this question and yet tell me you are not avoiding me. So simply question:
How is Argentina the successor state to VRRP?
Because I can't find any proof of such an assertion.
31 axel arg
Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I have always said that the population from the islands should have a say in this conflict, because if according to our constitution, they are argentine”
Have you been smoking c*ck?
1st :- There is only a “conflict” because argentina won't leave them the f**k alone. If you stopped trying invade and actually behaved yourselves for once, there would be no conflict.
2nd:- How can they be argentine? we have had no end of your countrymen on this very forum telling anyone who will listen to them that the Falkland Islanders are not “People” and don't therefore do not have any human rights.....
Next time, please put your crack pipe away BEFORE you start posting to this forum, you might make more sense.
does anybody know why that guy keeping using the term “Sepoys”???
Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont think it means what he thinks it means...
(a bit like the UN he keeps misquoting)
As to CFK:
shes a bit barmy, argentina voted against russia in the UN, now shes saying the referendum was legitimate? If shes saying it wasnt legitimate then whys she trumpeting off about Putin calling her...she voted against him after all.... and its not like RUssia has many supporters in the UN or Paris Club right now... yet shes pinned all her hopes of both of those organisations...but shes now speaking out against their interests...
crazy woman, crazy country.
having said that - Good on Russia. THe West are a bunch of hypocrits and they should take into account the Crimea referendum... the idea that the “Ukrainian Government” is against it is kinda funny seeing as there isnt an elected Ukranian government atm....
you know, the USA sponsored a load of people to oust it by force....
“Russia Dismisses Rumors of Seeking Military Base in Argentina as 'Provocative Lie”
Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140326/188777850/Russia-Dismisses-Rumors-of-Seeking-Military-Base-in-Argentina-as-Provocative-Lie.html
@44
Mar 26th, 2014 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meaning there might be some truth to this.
CFK could have a defense apparatus she wouldn't have to pay for.
“We need this because of the UK, we have no choice.”
Which is the poster here that wants all caucasians out of Argentina?
31 axel arg
Mar 26th, 2014 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your opinion has been noted, and you don't need to say it again.
Seriously, you are like a stuck record. In all the years I've been looking at this forum you have never added anything new. You post the same tired repetitive drivel every single time.
Every time you say the Falklands is 'like a special case' and we aren't entitled to determine our own future.
Every time we quote the proceedings of the Decolonisation Committee and the words of the Secretary General of the UN that explicitly state otherwise.
We are entitled to a say in our future because of our rights under the UN charter and because we are a British Overseas Territory. Not because we are 'Argentine'. What a despicable grossly offensive thing to say. If you cant keep a civil tongue in your head you shouldn't be talking with the grown ups. Go back to the naughty step where you belong.
Oh and stop calling people who don't agree with you 'sepoys'. It's pathetic. Do you not have rational debate and a variety of opinions where you come from? Probably not.
Thank goodness in any event that Argentina has dropped all this nonsense about territorial integrity and thrown its weight behind democratic choice. I bet the Chinese are going to be really pissed off when Cristina drops her support for the One China aka Subjugation of Tibet & Taiwan policy.
Mar 26th, 2014 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#46
Mar 27th, 2014 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 02 things upset most english implanted squatters in Malvinas...
1_ anyone that touch his pocket or threat their lazzy disgusting existence played almost by fool British taxpayers that doesn't even know where the islands are.
2_the 100% only one truth as international law recognize the Malvina's special case that Axel so educated in #31 try to explain to you lot of pervert people
Know truth hurt for you...sorry
@48
Mar 27th, 2014 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those islands off your coast were never yours, that's the truth.
Sorry about that.
48 so_far
Mar 27th, 2014 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like you Axel's comments are so-far from the truth.
Countries that Argentina wants to be friends with:
Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Iran,
China,
Cuba,
Venezuela,
North Korea,
And now that it is having a case of 'Lets invade somebody else's territory', Russia!
What an eclectic mixture of losers, fascists, terrorists, oxygen thieves and all round dead beats. But, of course, Argentina is not out of place in this company, in fact it fits right in there with the worst of them.
When you lay down with dogs, you get fleas!
48 so_far
Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0You might want to check the syntax of your post.
The point you were trying to make ( whatever that was ) appears to have been lost somewhat in the translation.
Oh, and I nearly forgot, you are entitled to have your own point of view, but please know that you are WRONG.
thankyousoverymuch
@48
Mar 27th, 2014 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well no one like being lied about but it doesn't bother me that much.
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Mar 27th, 2014 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Morning Too Old. So_far is just another Think sock but on this occasion he over-cooked the not-quite-right English as a struggling second language of the so_far persona.
Things upset most English implanted squatters in Malvinas
Mar 27th, 2014 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to Axels professional trustworthy investigations, supported by most Argies,
There are NO English people living in the Malvinas,
As their is No Malvinas…
lol
we are sure he said this, no doubt we will be informed otherwise....
@54 do you think that Sussie might be a sock puppet too?
Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 054 Joe Bloggs
Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the heads up. Are we taking bets as to A_voice and Think turning up on the same thread at the same time ( as usual ). He's not still trying to pass off A_Voice as a separate person is he??
@48
Mar 28th, 2014 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“as international law recognize the Malvina's special case ”
Which part of international law would that be then as Axel has never explained this?
I see that Steven Seagal was pictured with Putin supporting the Crimea referendum. CFK, after Argentina voted against Russia in the UN (perhaps her own people forget to tell her how they voted?), now wants Seagal as commander of the Argentine forces as I am sure he could invade the Falklands and capture them by himself.
LOL.
Mar 28th, 2014 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting article in the NY Times with UNGA declaring the Crimea vote illegal. Clearly they see the Falklands referendum in a different light otherwise they would have issued a similar condemnation
Mar 28th, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/world/europe/General-Assembly-Vote-on-Crimea.html?_r=0
PETE BOG. ANGLOTINO.
Mar 28th, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I decided to answer only the comments of you both, respecting the historic arguments of this conflict, because beyond you never agree on most i think and viceversa, unless you don't insult me or underestimate me, like many other people in this website do.
I have explained in planty of opportunities about what you both ask me in your comments. The sussession of states is applied to all the emancipated colonial territories, in fact, in colonial times, the malvinas, or unless the soldad island (actual east falkland), had been submitted to the jurisdiction of the viceroalty, then, when our country got the independence in 1816, it had right to occupy all those territories which had been under the sovereignty of the viceroalty. However, the context of those years was very hard, because we lived civil wars, then, this is evident that the occupation of an isolated island like the malvinas wasn't a priority for the nation.
On the other hand, i think that the u. k. had right to occupy the islands too, because during my investigations, i could know that a secret article included in the nootka sound convention, allowed britan to occupy the territory, if a third country stablished a settlement. However, even if the u. k. had right to occupy the malvinas, it should have found a negotiated solution with our country, instead of taking advantage of the vulnerable situation that the u. p. suffered, and deprive it of exercising it's legitimate rights over the archipelago.
I don't know the exact of number of people that pet bog asks me in his comment, but i only know that some families had been taken there from the mainland, and others were born in the islands, during vernet's administration.
The question is much more complicated, and there is a lot more to say.
Respecting the decolonization committe, and self determination, i respect your opinions, but you already know why i have always had doubts about this issue.
TWIMC
Mar 28th, 2014 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In this the 21st century, Argentina has no right to force people against their will to support someone they don't like,
CFKs government has no right to steal another peoples land..
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Mar 28th, 2014 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“On the other hand, i think that the u. k. had right to occupy the islands too, because during my investigations, i could know that a secret article included in the nootka sound convention, allowed britan to occupy the territory, if a third country stablished a settlement”
Oh no!...not another one...
SECRET ARTICLE
Since by article 6 of the present convention it has been stipulated, respecting the eastern and western coasts of South America, that the respective subjects shall not in the future form any establishment on the parts of these coasts situated to the south of the parts of the said coasts actually occupied by Spain, it is agreed and declared by the present article that this stipulation shall remain in force only so long as no establishment shall have been formed by the subjects of any other power on the coasts in question. This secret article shall have the same force as if it were inserted in the convention.
...re-investigate......
Show me where the secret article refers to the islands......
...it doesn't..it refers to...“respecting the eastern and western coasts of South America”
Article VI is the one that refers to the islands....
“ It is further agreed with respect to the eastern and western coasts of South America and the islands adjacent, that the respective subjects shall not form in the future any establishment on the parts of the coast situated to the south of the parts of the same coast and of the islands adjacent already occupied by Spain;”
The secret article is the only reference that mentions “other powers” but blatantly omits the islands....so not applicable to the United Provinces of the River Plate....
Article VI is only applicable to Spain and UK....
A_VOICE.
Apr 02nd, 2014 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your information. i'll trey to make a deeper investigation about this question.
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