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Malvinas affairs official meets with Pope Francis and talks about Falklands' dialogue
Pope Francis showed an interest on the Falklands/Malvinas question negotiations during a meeting on Wednesday at the Vatican with Daniel Filmus chairman of Issues relative to the Malvinas Islands secretariat, according to Argentine sources which gave the event a great coverage. The meeting was in the framework of Wednesdays open audience at St Peter's square, when an estimated 50.000 people attend the ceremony. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI'm surprised Filmus didn't burst into flames when he shook the Pope's hand.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'd be careful too Filmus in over stating any backing by the Pope. Catholicism is still a very large and influential part of UK society, schooling and national institutions.
Argentina may quickly find itself at odds with the church, and that's not even mentioning the Pope's disappointment at the theft and crookedness of the Argentine government.
More and more lies, and only lies can be expected from Argentina. The world knows it. Even the population of Argentina knows it.
Only reported by the Argentine government's news agency Telam.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0So it's bound to be fair and unbiased then.
Wonder what the Holy See would say?
Two words come to mind: 'desperate' and 'pathetic'.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Filmus, how exactly are you “advancing” in the Malvinas issue?
Mar 27th, 2014 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 04 Bongo
Mar 27th, 2014 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Well Papa, er, um...”
A peaceful solution. The issue is solved and the islands are at peace.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyyhing Argentina stays out of = peace and prosperity.
The thing is all this Argentina wIttering about the mythical Malvinas doesnt register anywhere except perhaps here or the bottom in tray on some insignificant unoccupied desk in the FO. And, as far as the vast majority of people in the UK are concerned the Pope is just another insignificant but evil religious nut taking advantage of brainwashed mainly uneducated and primitive people all over the world. He has practically no influence whatsoever.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4
Mar 27th, 2014 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0First things first remember. He got some free tickets for him and the missus to go to Italy, probably stopping by Switzerland to make some deposits.
7 Captain Silver
Mar 27th, 2014 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL! I take it you haven't been to mass in a while. Don't get me wrong; I have nothing against religious people as long as they keep it to themselves. Like I always told my kids when they were growing up: just because someone is religious that doesn't mean they're bad.
“Catholicism is still a very large and influential part of UK society”
Mar 27th, 2014 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think this quote from above may be overstating the influence of Catholicism in the UK. The christian church has more influence than it deserves (which is none) but Catholicism is only buoyed by Irish immigration. As a rule of thumb there are very few in the UK who care one way or the other about what the pope has to say.
Credit where it's due to Francis though - he's the least bad one they've had in a long time.
@1 JGF
Mar 27th, 2014 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Less than 10% of the UK population (including NI) were Roman Catholic according to the BSA survey in 2009, and less than 20% were C of E.
Just over 50% were of no religion at all.
Catholicism specifically, and Christianity generally are losing numbers, and hence influence at a reasonably steady rate, and have been for decades.
The Falkland Islands have been at peace for 180 years with the exception of 6 months 30 years ago. That is certainly far more peaceful than a Argentina has been for the last 180 years. What type of peace do you think Argentina will bring to any discussions about the Islands, the peace of the dessert war, the peace of the dirty war or the peace of the Falkands war or the peace currently seen in Argentina where government critics are persecuted through the courts and armed gangs associated with the President launch racist attacks in the streets. The islanders have their peaceful solution. Go home and make war on Chile instead Argentine losers.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0As someone who is Irish and bought up a Catholic I would recommend that the UK tell this pompous old twat to take a hike (likewise Filmus) it's nothing to do with him.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0When he starts to re-distribute the wealth that the Catholic Church has stolen from around the world then I'll start to give him some credit until then he is just another in a very, very, very long line of Catholic parasites.
I don't doubt that Christianity is in decline. The rise in Atheism and the devotion of the followers of the ideology has been planned for a very long time. It'll keep going until the origins of savagery return amongst mankind.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0We're all entitled to our own beliefs thoughts. Many Christians faith is born from very real, very physical (excuse the opportunity for someone to take the piss) experiences.
It always amazes me that those who claim to know the most about God are those who openly say it's all make believe.
I believe in observations and scientific fact. Now I would love to meet of understand who, or what created the laws that govern the universe and life in general.
Science is a great observation of these laws and is incredibly interesting.
Atheism isn't really an ideology of itself. It's just a rejection of the concept that the universe is supernatural and that beleifs should be based on faith.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you look at events like the Inquisition or the current Islamic propensity to lop off heads while being filmed in full colur HD it seems rather ironic that the faithful assume that an atheist society can only return to savagery.
You do not need to believe in fairy tales to understand concepts like good and evil or right and wrong.
I would disagree. Atheists are quite fundamental about the absence of God or intelligent design.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The whole argument that religion is to blame for past crimes only highlights my original argument. Those that claim to know the most about what religion (take Christianity for example) actually teaches.
You then need to take into account that man has manipulated the Word of God since the history of mankind for political control. Anyone researching can find out that the bible was canonised by Romans to create a more singular controllable religion.
So really you observation might be that man has committed grave crimes and then has tried to hide behind the lie that God told them to do it.
I'd keep my options open than exclude the possibility of intelligent design. It's just the way my mind works. If we've genetically engineered species for 1000's of years (starting with selective breeding). Are we really the only thing in all existence that can engineer things? If so does this mean we created the universe, and most importantly the laws that allow the universe to exist in the first place?
And what about other dimensions?
It was great to see the Einstein's theory of space time relativity proven not that long ago, where science observed time can be modified by gravity, and hence where the universe has greater density we age slower. Therefore the observation of time is relative to the observer.
It is a real shame that people would omit the concept of intelligent design without any genuine understanding of why we are, why the laws of existence are in place, let alone observing what those laws are, and why life exists in the first place.
@15 Idlehands
Mar 27th, 2014 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you. Most of the most savage atrocities inflicted by man upon man has been due to religion.
Religion is early mans attempt to explain the world. In the modern world we have science that explains it far more accurately than religion can. I know science hasn't explained everything, but new discoveries are being made all the time.
In my opinion the real truth is that we are all God and we are all the Devil. God and the Devil are just manifestations of our own propensity for Good and Evil. It's easier to blame some supernatural being than look in the mirror and face the truth about yourself.
Nothing 'we' (as in mankind) make is good or evil...until we use it.
A nuclear bomb is not in itself evil - unless 'we' decide to use it against our fellow man.
A gun is not in itself evil - unless 'we' decide to use it on our fellow man.
And all of the evil in the world 'we' have created ourselves. And all of the good in the world 'we' have created ourselves.
The universe is just indifferent to it all.
The sovereinty debate was settled 30 years ago by violence against an illegal invasion by facists.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing to talk about unless the islanders choose to
@16 JollyGoodFun
Mar 27th, 2014 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst I respect your right to have your opinion - I really had a giggle at intelligent design.
Intelligent design has got to be the most bizarre theory to come out of religion EVER.
IF God truly were behind evolution, and decided to create the most perfect creature ever - supposedly man - then he did a really crap job of it. It should be called Unintelligent Design.
Our spines are not fit for purpose. Our eyesight is crap comapred to other species on the planet. We give birth to completely defenceless offspring - which are underdeveloped - to give birth to offspring with the same abilities as a newly born giraffe or elephant, our children would have to be about 5 years old when born. We are far too fragile as a species.
The only thing the Homo Sapiens have going for us is our big brains. Evolution has shown how and why we developed big brains. It wasn't due to God. It was due to the violent and rapid environmental changes that took place, over a relatively short space of time.
Evolution adapted organs the best way it could for certain functions, that they were NOT designed for.
So either God is a crap workman, or evolution just did the best it could with whatever material was available.
@18 Martin Woodhead
Agreed. The Pope cannot get involved because he risks alienating the Catholic populations of numerous countries. Best not to get involved.
It must be frustrating for him to be diplomatic, when all he wants to do is tell CFK and her cronies to Foxtrot Oscar.
”We didn't ask the Pope to have an active role; although he is Argentine, he is the Pope of all of us, of everyone. So under no circumstances are we going to ask him to adopt an active role in this issue“.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'd have a very good try if you could get away with it, one of the first things these bastards mentioned when this pope was elected was getting him involved.
Rico
Mar 27th, 2014 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...The islanders have their peaceful solution. Go home and make war on Chile instead Argentine losers...” You would want them to commit suicide? Safer challenge would be to declare war on Uruguay...
(Sorry but I've had to whack this mole too many times... Intelligent Design was proven in court (Kitzmiller v Dover) through testimony from the ID advocates themselves and their evidence which showed and editing trail that include an infamous find-n-replace that Intelligent Design IS Creationism since we all know that they are aging that we were “designed,” and quite poorly as LEP says, by a supernatural being whose name is “God” and has a very specific set of messages for his creations. Indeed the evidence was so strong that the *CONSERVATIVE* *CHRISTIAN!* *REPUBLICAN!!* (yes you heard that right) judge described ID as “Breathtaking Inanity” and also was ready to throw the book at the IDers for perjury and he probably should have but that would have made them martyrs to the big bad world of science. You can believe in a personal savior and believe in natural selection. )
Mar 27th, 2014 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the window-desk-worthless wannabe Secretary of Argentine East Prussia, if he want to talk to the Falklanders he knows who's number to call if he's ever man enough to stand before them so they can exercise their fundamental human right AGAIN to tell the jerk, “NO.” Saying that the UN doesn't allow him to I DO have to admit was the best bit of diplomatic comedy this year.
@19 - don't worry I'm not easily offended.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand your points. Yet evolution still requires the data and the laws of physics to exist for the practical element of this theory.
The experiments to reproduce the theory of the origins of life took simple gases, heat and electricity, and tried to recreate basic life. Amino acids were made but nothing anywhere near as complex as a protein. The experiment didn't even try to replicate how to create a new law of physics or life.
For the universe to have created itself it must have spontaneously created all laws of physics at its inception. Yet still this would not explain who or what created the law to allow the universe to create itself and all laws within it. (It really is easy to get lost in all this lol)
Back in track - The experiments also omitted oxygen, which scientists claim would have been present during the beginning. This oxygen would have prevented the amino acids from being created.
It just seems that the results would rather be rigged to suit which ever model is prevalent at the time.
I'd love to be around in 1000 years to see how much further our understanding is and how many current mainstream theories preached as gospel turn out to be poor observation due to our understanding.
Hence why I refuse to omit intelligent design. I find the concept that I might just be part of one huge experiment neither offensive nor degrading. I find the whole prospect of infinite possibilities quite exciting.
Out of interest, where do you believe the laws of physics, and those that govern existence originated from (the very thing that allowed the Big Bang to occur and for the universe to exist)?
Going off topic but the comments are going this way.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with so called “intelligent design”.
Is that it was made up but ultra conservative Christians.
Claiming to be a scientific rational for the existence of a supreme being.
Of course it is most definitely not scientific as it lacks the disprovable element crucial to scientific methodology.
The name “intelligent design”, is of course crucial as it sounds sort of sciency.
Control the language = Control the debate.
Being a Systems Engineer, when I design architectures I would classify this as intelligent design. I think the name is quite befitting for who or whatever in my opinion developed the systems we exist within.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Say what you want, do what you want, but I think the pope should not be dragged into CFK deluded plans in get him to take sides,
Mar 27th, 2014 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If this even smelled of working, every catholic country and others would demand and expect the same treatment,
No disrespect, but this has nothing to do with the pope.
Just my opinion.
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@26 - I agree. They will lie at every opportunity to try and get credibility for their imperialist agenda.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I imagine the Pope didn't make eye contact the whole time and new this is how the Argentine government would try to play it.
@26 Prone to agree here too, this guy has enough messes on his plate inherited from his in-house predecessors that he'll never be able to fully fix, many of which are hardwired into church doctrine to THEN have to go around and carry water for CFK's distraction and then thanks to the precedent every other headache-of-state who needs divine validation for their hobby horse because if he doesn't then he'll be accused of playing favorites with his home team.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[@23 In 1000 years there will still be new theories being proposed, tested and debated, accepted/rejected through scientific method... including on the origins of life. But the core of evolution by natural selection is likely not going to be rejected though no doubt there will be tweaks as to the process of mutation and where species fit into which clade the “big tree of life. The evidence that continues to roll in, be tested and placed up for serious scientific review against facts evidence, not bible versus, and they continue to SUPPORT not refute that life shares common ancestry, no ”kinds“ or ”microevolution only“ or ”flood geology“ other BS like ”historical“ vs ”observational” science as we are now hearing by the desperate idiots. And dollars to doughnuts, whackadoodles like Ham and Hovind will still be shown to be wrong or rightfully forgotten (heck they've already lost Pat *sin-causes-hurricanes* Robertson, not to mention bastions of the true faith like Notre Dame and BYU!). Their “theories” have been soberly rejected when held to the same scrutiny that they demand for evolution. Coy “Intelligent designers” will continue to treat their “theory,” proven to be old school creationism, as an article of irrefutable faith and DEMAND equal time on Cosmos (but NEVER equal time for evolution on their shows) and evolutionary biologists will continue to have cat fights over selfish genes and graduated punctuated equilibrium but will never set their opponents on fire or hang them as witches.]
@23 JollyGoodFun
Mar 27th, 2014 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say “For the universe to have created itself it must have spontaneously created all laws of physics at its inception. Yet still this would not explain who or what created the law to allow the universe to create itself and all laws within it.”
I agree with your argument somewhat, yet it is not impossible for such a thing to have happened.
But to counter your well reasoned argument, who or what created God? Or did God create himself, and if he did he must've spontaneously appeared and created the universe at the same time. ;-p
To be honest which ever way you look at it, it's chicken and the egg.
Did God create man, or did man create God?
Did the universe create itself, or was it instead created by something else, and if so who or what created that something else?
However, back to the thread of this story, the Argentine government continues to flog this dead horse.
The Pope cannot take sides, because he is the Pope for every Catholic, regardless of whether they are Argentine, British or Falkland Islander. If he chooses a side, he becomes a political tool, and tarnishes the already very tarnished image of the Catholic Church, whilst at the same time alienating a large number of Catholics.
It's a pity that the Argentine government are too stupid, or too desperate or both to understand this very simple concept.
@23 JollyGoodFun
Mar 27th, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The spontaneous formation of proteins is thermodynamically highly improbable. To make proteins, DNA transcribes itself into RNA which gets translated in protein. A good metaphor for this is the old chicken and egg paradox where the chicken is protein and the egg is DNA. What is interesting is the RNA intermediate, some forms of which are not just coding molecules but actually have their own enzymatic activity. In otherwords, in the primordial soup the chicken and the egg may have been the same thing (e.g. a primitive RNA) that only later separated its coding (DNA) and enzymatic (RNA) functions.
Interestingly, some organisms suffer mutations that causes them to stop maturing and they just endure endless cycles of degenration and evolutionary decline, which brings us nicely back to Filmus and the Malvinistas.
Fairy tales tell us a frog became a prince.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Atheists call it evolution.
29 LEPRecon
Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good response, but the chicken and the egg thing was solved a while back,
The Egg won I believe,
According to the experts on discovery channel,
The chicken must come from the egg,
But the egg does not necessarily have to come from the chicken,
And that must have taken the experts centuries to work out.
lol
Bongo==Atheists call it evolution
probably correct..
31 Bongo
Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Atheists call it evolution.”
While retards read the bible
Chuckle chuckle
Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 Briton
Mar 27th, 2014 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I refuse to believe this eggist propaganda that you are espousing! LOL
Thank you..lol
Mar 27th, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interestingly they say these Aztecs use to cut of peoples heads and throw the headless corps down the stairs in the hope the gods would smile on them and come back the next day,
Obviously not knowing then what we know today, that the sun always rises the next day,
Still,
They do say [no religious disrespect]
That there are a few clever wise men, and millions of fools that follow them.
Just saying like..
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@29 - Excatly! thank you. We just do not know.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 - You've made some very interesting points.
Darwin and his fellow scientists at the time of theory being created had no idea what type or quantity of data was embedded within the cell. They assumed it would be very basic elementary few instructions to tell the cell how to function.
This is where the Pangenesis theory came from where huge variations simply popped out of cells at random. This theory has already been proven false by the scientific community. In 1000 years imagine how many other theories held on to religiously now will be in the same boat.
It is also known that the information inside a cell is incredibly complex and dense. Being an engineer it is easy to see that inside the nucleus of a cell the genetic code has its own genetic language, with a four letter digital alphabet and even grammatical rules, which is vastly superior to any computer language ever designed by man.
Each human DNA molecule contains some three billion genetic letters, and amazingly the error rate of the cell, after all the molecular editing is only one copying mistake for every 10 billion letters.
I won’t even start on the fossil records of evolution. Leaders in the field of Palaeontology even state that the fossils found actually do more to prove evolution is a myth. Even Darwin said that there would be innumerable transitional links. In Darwin’s time the fossil evidence proved otherwise. 120 years and a ¼ quarter of a million fossils later this status hasn’t changed.
Many of the worlds leading microbiologists and those who study the field have moved from Atheism to Creationism because what they observe, as they put it, can only be attributed to intelligent design.
My point is – we really shouldn't omit Intelligent Design when many of us have no clue what happened, and are not at the leading edge of scientific research. To me to exclude a rational possibility is just not scientific.
Why worry. If it isn't Oblivion, it will be something else.
Mar 27th, 2014 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll either know, or not. Meantime, discuss the Disneyland of Science on the subject: form an unverifiable opinion, just to get by.
”The Pope asked how the (Malvinas) secretariat was working and how were we advancing in the Malvinas issue”
Mar 27th, 2014 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Filmus: The Malvinas will be ours next year because we live in a dream world.
Pope: 'Are you going to ask the Catholics that live on the Islands what they want?'
Filmus: No, they are implants. They were implanted on the Islands in 1833, so as the Islanders are all 181 years of age they don't count. Besides UN resolutions specifically tell us to ignore the Islanders.
Pope: Have you actually read every word in the UN resolutions Daniel?
Filmus: No, we don't need to. We are Argentine. We make the words in the resolutions up.
God or no God, and I don't care which it is, could someone please explain why we should fear/love/obey/pray to him, if one does exist? He created life for Christ's sake. So what?
Mar 27th, 2014 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sidetracking a bit from 40 Joe Bloggs, if Robbie Fowler was God, what does that make Luis Suarez?
Mar 28th, 2014 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0A big problem with these 'enlightened' God-haters is they're often educated far beyond their actual intelligence.
Mar 28th, 2014 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@40 Joe Bloggs
Mar 28th, 2014 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0But which 'God' are we talking about?
The 'God' from the Old Testament who was a jealous, petty and vengeful being, or the 'God' from the New Testament who was a generous, forgiving and benevolent being?
God botherers will have us believe that they are supposed to be one and the same thing.
Of course God himself stated that there were other Gods. Just look at the First Commandment:
“I am the LORD, your God, who brought you out of the Land of Egypt, out of the Land of Slavery. You shall have NO other God's before me.”
So 'God' apparently isn't the only 'God' wandering around.
I think the Ancient Greeks had the right idea. A God for every situation.
I do not think Mr. Filmus is a Catholic. And the Falkland Islands question is not a religious issue. So what are they really talking about?
Mar 28th, 2014 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 043 LePRecon
Mar 28th, 2014 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0It would appear to be full of holes to me and a lot of other people also but let's put all of the inconsistencies to one side and imagine for a moment there is A God. As hard as it is let's try.
Why would we need to dote over him? I don't need any bible or religious figure to teach me about morals. Maybe going back many centuries when 'men of God' were pretty much the only people who could read and write, they were needed to write laws and educate people but not today.
Jesus saves, but Fowler scores on the rebound.
Mar 28th, 2014 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@46 lol
Mar 28th, 2014 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0With Liverpool's defence leaking like the Argentine navy, they could do with Him and His saves. Good job Liverpool have SAS in their attack though
You guys are a little off from my own understanding. The Old Testament represented the time where man was under the law. The law given to remind us that we are far from perfect as at the time we reveled in our own glory and arrogance. Under the law we were nearly all condemned because we fell significantly short of where we needed to be.
Mar 28th, 2014 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The New Testament was God's second covenant with man whereby the sacrifice if his own son redeemed us all from falling short of the law, thereby freeing us from death under the law. In return he asked that we trust and believe in Christ thereby confirming in our own hearts that God is truthful.
It's quite easy to get mistaken about God when you do not have a relationship and when bible passages are taken in snapshots without the full context of the book it was taken from.
You have to remember also that each book was never supposed to be canonised and was written independently about peoples very unique and intimate relationship with God.
As is my understanding there is but one God. Interestingly enough in the Bible it states that people in heaven will be from many faiths, countries and races and this will confuse people.
Even more interestingly a book was written that all the heathen (you lot LOL, only joking) are in hell then those who were saved take mercy on their kinsmen and ask God on thir behalf to save them. God accepts and all are saved. This version of revelation was not allowed to be canonised.
Men have interfered with the word of God for political reasons, but the key messages of Christ ring true. Love and treat each other's as you wish to be treated. Do not condemn others for mistakes as we all make them. Many other very great teachings.
Many parts of the Bible are in fact very enlightening reads.
From a purely philisophical point of view, as I don't belive in god, I see differing religions as people looking at a diamond. A dimond can take on different shapes depanding on the angle you view it from. Some religions look at diamond and say this is my god, others look at each facet of the diamond and say these are my gods. Everyone is looking at the same thing, just looking at it differently.
Mar 28th, 2014 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 Benson
Mar 28th, 2014 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0back in the 70's (??) Liverpool had a player called Ian St John.
Anecdotedly a church in Liverpool put up a sign saying 'What would you do if Jesus came to Liverpool?' on which soembody wrote 'move St John to inside left'!!
@50
Mar 28th, 2014 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brilliant, not heard that one before.
Apparently [and we cant prove this point ]
Mar 28th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but is it not true that the bible was written more than 300 years after the events took place,
and wise scholars at the time decided what went in, and what stayed out,
how do we know it was true,...
@52 - men have manipulated the word of God for control, therefore it would be difficult to answer specifically how much of the scriptures is 100% accurate or whether it had been exaggerated over time due to word of mouth and political agendas.
Mar 28th, 2014 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Many Christians (in fact people of faith) actively seek a real relationship with God. Once based on very physical and spiritual exchanges through the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that came after Christ's sacrifice that allows us all to have a relationship with God if we truly seek it.
The more you grow in that relationship the more you recognise the word of God in an amongst the noise.
Interestingly the only groups Christ was angry at were the money lenders (international bankers now) for being thieves and vipers (he literally used a switch to whip them away), and the Religious Leaders (for lying to people about God and hiding many truths, and most importantly for using God as an instrument to manipulate people).
It is why it is most important to have a relationship with Christ and God. The scriptures are the historical records of peoples past experiences, and of God's covenants with man.
That is my understanding of the matter.
@53
Mar 28th, 2014 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Interestingly the only groups Christ was angry... Religious Leaders (for lying to people about God and hiding many truths, and most importantly for using God as an instrument to manipulate people). “
That is really the main thing that people have against organised religion even today. If there is a god I very much doubt that he agrees with a lot of things that people say and do in his name. I mean does anyone really have a problem with people quietly worshiping whoever they want if they are not trying to push their beliefs onto you or commiting atrosities in His name?
”Interestingly the only groups Christ was angry at were the money lenders (international bankers now) for being thieves and vipers (he literally used a switch to whip them away)”
Now that I can get behind :).
Personally I do belive that Jesus did exist and he was a very good man that tried his best to do some good in the world. It is even possible that after his death that people talked about him being the son of god metaphorically, apparently we are all the children of god so maybe at first he was refered to as “a true son of god” and over the years people have started to take it literally.
Why do atheists and atheism itself put “the fear of God” (to coin a well known phrase) up the believers?
Mar 28th, 2014 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is their faith so feeble and weak that it cannot stand reasoned questioning?
Is their fear of dying with “nothing” in after life for them so mind numbingly bad that they just cannot stand the thought that what they have now is all that there is?
@54 - Exactly. This is why Christ said he would destroy the church and rebuild it in three days. His sacrifice brought the Holy Spirit, he openly said now will come a time where we worship God in spirit.
Mar 29th, 2014 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even God asks that we give and worship where the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. As in do neither out of vanity and do both in secret so that you are rewarded in secret.
The only thing that should be done openly is living as he asks where by we love him and each other, that we are quick to understand and forgive and do not condemn each other for we all make mistakes.
With all the impressive and positive efforts His Holiness is making to sanitise the church it will be sad if he spoils everything by getting involved, even in the most minor way, with the matter of the dispute engineered by Argentina over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands.
Mar 29th, 2014 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 56 JollyGoodFun
Mar 29th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The only thing that should be done openly is living as he asks where by we love him and each other, that we are quick to understand and forgive and do not condemn each other for we all make mistakes.”
This is a good sentiment for everyone to consider.
What a pity then that the “established” church is hell-bent on REPEATING the same errors that have dogged it over the preceding 2014 (ish) years.
I for one have learnt to expect much and live with little as far as dyed in the wool Christians are concerned. Did you notice the link with sheep again?
Why then has no one returned for more than 2,000 year.??
Mar 29th, 2014 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can I get back on topic for just a moment?
Mar 29th, 2014 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas affairs official meets with Pope Francis and talks about Falklands' dialogue”
I bet the pope must think that he has been cursed. He has landed the dream job in the Catholic church and now, EVERY time he comes home, instead of the congratulations and “well done” 's all he gets in those whiny b*tches shrieking in his ear about the Falkland Islands.
Now, if he really was a “Man of god” like he is supposed to be and if they really are Catholics, then shouldn't he be telling them to “Love thy Neighbour”???
and being good Catholics, shouldn't they be doing that already?
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“He created life for Christ's sake. So what?”
Har, har, har Nice one Joe!!!! Love it!!!
Should not the devout, be honest, truthful, friendly, trustworthy,
Mar 29th, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Love thy Neighbour, forgive and forget, turn the other cheek, helpful,
Respectful , and be loyal to ones religion,
Or / but, if they-
Threaten, abuse, invade, blockade, tells abhorrent lies, intimidate, and are generally being deceitful,
What religion do they call that ..??
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This is where the problem lies with understanding. As I see it and based on my own experiences it is important to be loyal to God and not religion. Religions are but the bounded rules and interpretation of mankind's relationship with God.
Mar 30th, 2014 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0The message is quite clear that it is God you have the relationship with and not the church.
The church is supposed to be the body of God whereby men and women of faith can find fellowship with others, it is not supposed to be judge, jury and executioner on all things holy.
The church should also be a beacon of light to the world.
Once keen men rise to the top and see what power they wield they then move further from their relationship to God and closer to their loyalty to their religion.
Take Catholicism as an example. Untold riches and wealth yet very little shared to change poverty (this is an overly simplistic example as complexities are there not spoken of), so it is in complete contradiction of what Christ asks of us. Not many many Catholics are good people.
So for power and influence the true religious leaders are loyal to religion and disobey God. This was seen by Christ in his first coming, which he fought against.
The worst thing is that those who do not have a relationship with God and do not know God see it as that God must be corrupt and those that follow blind, and the world full of contradiction and misdirection for control.
Many people, good honest people are still led astray just as Christ saw and fought against during mankind's original redemption.
Many say this is the age of deception, and I am inclined to agree.
Good to see that el Pspa is happy to play stooge . How about dialogue with the people who actually live there !! Time to stoke up the embers.
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