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Controversy in Argentina over a spate of street lynching of suspected criminals
Argentina's security secretary said on Wednesday that those who take justice into their own hands are “murderers,” referring to recent cases of lynching of suspected criminals, and which has caused a serious controversy among politicians and members of the Judiciary branch. Read full article
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Apr 03rd, 2014 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here is the legacy if Kirchnerism.
Wonder how many of those beaten or lynched were members of La Campora or Quebracho? In which case, they probably deserved all they got. Can I suggest that “Malvinista” activists and attackers of innocent cruise and cargo vessels should be next. Another group that might be targeted is anyone trying to force producers and suppliers to “sell” their goods at a loss. But that might include the “government”! Never mind, “government” is not above the law. Nor is the “judiciary”. The majority of honest, law-abiding people will support a “good” law. Although there are some provinces of argieland where you might be pressed to find an honest, law-abiding person. A “bad” law, e.g. one that gives unearned privileges to criminals, should be rejected and direct action taken. There you go, timmy boy, no more “pressing the flesh” for you. Just in case someone throws a loop of the rope tied to their back bumper round your throat and sets off down the road at 90mph.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another fine example of Argentine democracy in action,
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0and no doubt it will get a lot worse, before it ever gets better.
Its too late for Eugenio Zaffaroni, CFK and Berni. The situation is out of control and self defence groups are springing up. I knew it would come to this, but not as soon though.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The judicial bureaucratic elite and the progressive politicians are completely out of touch with the reality of the streets.
Latest poll indicates 91,7% believes that crime is out of control
http://www.urgente24.com/225319-mala-suerte-cristina-eugenio-el-917-cree-que-la-delincuencia-esta-fuera-de-control
I said societal collapse was immanent and I was mocked.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is only going to get worse as the economy fails.
And its failing rapidly.
It won't be long now.
You're one devaluation away from total collapse.
I disagree with the article's writer. In beating a thief to death it's not that the public is fed up with ineffective law enforcement; it's merely misplaced desire to do just that to their country's president.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We need to string these thieves up from the overpass above Villa 31.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let them know what they will get if they continue to rob and kill people.
I can't see the cops doing too much of a serious investigation into these lynchings.
We just need the dumb assholes to stop filming them.
Dear Kelpers,
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look what a future with our glorious motherland heralds for you-think of your interests and how exciting Stanley could become if you copy Argentine culture.
And you still want to be associated with the UK?
Pffft!
Yours with much love,
Gollum
Aaah yes Klingon
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Add censorship to the breakdown.
Who guards the guardians?
I hope when the lunch mob comes for you because some rumour gets the mob riled up; that someone films it so I can laugh my arse off at your swinging corpse.
We need to string these thieves up from the overpass
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And they will forever [Klingon ] to you…lol
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It's about time people did something, but lynchings will only make things even worse.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm already laughing. Lunch mob. Oops. iPhone is not used to typing lynch...... well it's set to Australian so of course not.
Apr 03rd, 2014 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, well ,well...
Apr 04th, 2014 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Talking about lynching...
“Teenage gang charged under lynching law after 'savage attack on 18-year-old student'” USA
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008252/Teenage-gang-charged-lynching-law-savage-attack-18-year-old-student.html
Neo-nazi 'mock lynching' shock for sleepy South Wales Valleys community
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008252/Teenage-gang-charged-lynching-law-savage-attack-18-year-old-student.html
The mob lynching that triggered Belfast's frenzy of rioting
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008252/Teenage-gang-charged-lynching-law-savage-attack-18-year-old-student.html
Hypocrite who?
What no one seems to understand is that the situation is like war. In times of war ordinary citizens do what they can to beat the enemy. And the enemy in this country are the thieves and robbers. Every day on the news there is mention of violent assaults on the citizens. They don't just rob you...they beat you also. This includes helpless old people...peoples grandmothers and grandfathers. Any many are killed in the act of stealing a few pesos from these people. CFK has ignored calls for a solution since she became president in 2007. She is only interested in promoting the heritage of the Kirchners and getting the Falkland Islands back. Back?? The country is in turmoil and the government is blaming the media...of course...and the citizens themselves.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 014
Apr 04th, 2014 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have followed the Michoacan case since early this year with much interest. The first reaction of the Federal Mexican Government of Peña Narco was to block and fall over the self defence groups formed of citizens just trying to defend themselves of the cartels and organized crime. The situation had gone to the complete limit of gangster walking into your house and taking your wife and daughter whenever it pleased them and having to pay substantial taxes to both the Narco government and the cartels. It was back to the middle ages of prima nocte and live burdening taxes.. The lesson is that unchallenged crime and organized crime as well as a continued absence of justice ends up corroding a basic social contract.
This 40 min documentary is long but well worth watching
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5RafZpdH2E
I believe that Berni's threats and the Ks reactions to the lynchings will probably end up having the National government using and abusing the full power of the State to quell any community trying to honestly send their livelihoods and family from the criminals.
BEYOND THE HYPOCRESY OF DEMAGOGUES.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know that some people will start insulting me after reading this, but you know that i don't care. I understand that it would be politicly correct to repeat the reactionary comment, characteristic of many people in this country, who say that thieves should be killed, sorry, but i won't never agree on such a criminal posture.
I know that some of you will start telling me that i say this, because perhaps, i have never been victime of any attack by thieves, however, let me tell you that in 1999, thieves got into my house, and tried to steal what we had, in 2002, my parients were attacked with guns, while they were driving their car, at a few blocks from where we live, in 2008, a young boy theatened to kill my father, at the door of our house, if he didn't give him some money, and last year, i was attacked by a guy, while i was walking on the same street of the sheraton hotel, in capital federal, but i could run faster than him, however, in none of those horrible moments, i thought that those thieves had to be lynched untill death, because i'm not a criminal, in fact, if anybody commits delits, he must be judged and sentenced, but not killed.
On the other hand, it's really disgusting to hear a guy like macri, who accuses c. f. k.'s government only, perhaps, that idiot hasn't realized yet that he has a huge responsability in security too, due to he has ruled buenos aires city since 2007, as far as i'm concerned, although i suffered an episode of insecurity in capital federal, i woud never blame his government for that, because i'm not so idiot to pretend that police must be in almost every block.
I don' deny that justice has very serious falencies, but the media has also a huge responsability in this question, because of the lies, and partial truthes that many chanels often repeat, in relation to insecurity, in fact, the so called, revolving door, is a partial truth, due to all people who commit delits are finally judged.
I bet there are a lot of people fondly remembering when the military was in control and Argentina was safe.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I knew this was coming many years ago and it is the reason I moved.
The police are corrupt.
Until you purge all of the corrupt gov't official, bankrupt them, their families then jail or execute them as they deserve this will only get worse.
BA is going to be like Caracas soon if this is not quickly brought into control.
@16 I don't think thieves should be killed.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gosh the amount of crime you and your family have suffered sounds like South Africa. Why don't you ask the government to do something about it.
18. I think that amount of violence is typical. Everyone of my Rg friends have been mugged at least 1x in their lives and some experienced much worse.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a reason everyone lives behind 12 foot walls, gates and has private guards in front of their houses.
Because FFS, he is progressive and he even thinks he is being “politically incorrect” when all the judges like Zaffaroni and government spokesmen have bieng telling us the same junk mentality he spouts here...
Apr 04th, 2014 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bloomberg led a public crusade about these very serious issues and in a very honest and serious manner and he also proposed a thought of a security reform a decade ago and his type demonized him. He deserves everything that has happaned to him. For throwbacks like him are to blame, they are ideological politically correct backbone that finds comfort in blaiming the Media. These are the same guys that dont want the age of accountability go down. Only very recently its gone down to 16 from 18 YO. Argentina has one of the highest in the world.
That the thieves get killed or not is not the point or it no longer is.
The point is that they are runing aroud free out of control, the police is corrupt and complice of organized crime. Judges let loose the criminals the moment they get in. What we have to do now is enable a civil local structure to defend ourselves like they did in Michoacan.
@20 yes, overhauling the police would be a starting point. I just remembered one of my friends in Buenos Aires telling me how the police in certain areas take protection money from owners of houses and give the names of people that haven't paid them to local thieves. I can remember at the time - a few years ago - I thought it a tall tale but evidently not.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't agree that people should be killed but I can understand the frustration of living in a lawless society. If there is no one to keep law and order it has to be members of the public stepping up to catch the culprits. I cannot imagine living in such fear.
Wow Axel. I actually feel sorry for you.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only handgun I have ever seen in real life was holstered on a police officer. And now that I think about it, that is the only gun I have seen in Australia for the past 10 years.
I don't know anyone that has ever been mugged.
My parents once told me that they had been burgled, but that was before I was born. I still leave my house unlocked when I walk my dog or walk to the shops.
And I have had anyone I know robbed, mugged, murdered or hospitalised by any crime.
I blame our governments for our different life experiences.
This is why i bought an electric picana, pepper spray and going to get a permit to acquire a gun.
Apr 04th, 2014 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The country is turning into a big no man's land. Fortunately, the city where i live is pretty safe and far from all that mess but that is changing by the day.
Every time i go to BA, i walk these streets with fear of getting robbed or killed. You can never be too careful because you don't know what to expect.
Roderick
Apr 05th, 2014 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get yourself a couple of Pedigree German Shepherd bitches, idealy pups but you probably do not have the time for them to grow. Make sure they are bitches and buy them from a reputable breeder, make sure you tell him what you want them for. GSD bitches have a very strong protective instinct and even untrained will defend you and yours, still, find a trainer who can teach attack and obedience work. That will take care of your home and yours. Treat them right, plenty of excerscise good food and vet care. You will get back what you put into them a hundred fold.
If you must have a gun, I know a bit about them. Get a .22 revolver, not an auto, they jam. Get one with a cylinder that has a large capacity, some can hold up to ten or twelve rounds, Ruger are probably the best and for god sake if you must get one. please; please; please get some training and practice a lot with it.
An American tourist was robbed the other day in BA...a tv star caught the robber and turned him over to police...12 hours later he was let go. That's the justice system in the country. What they need here is a 3 strikes and you're out policy.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Mendoza Canadian
Apr 05th, 2014 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hypocrite who?
The Revolving Doors of Canadian Justice
“After taking custody of Melnyk, Police conducted an investigation that led to him being identified as a highly skilled, prolific serial residential break & enter offender”
“In all, Melnyk is believed to be responsible for causing property damage and stealing goods to a value of $80,000.00.”
“The investigation resulted in the following charges being laid;
Break, Enter & Theft x 31
Break & Enter with Intent x 3
Possess B&E instruments
Assault
Several weapons related offences”
“Let’s not forget, Melnyk committed thirty-four (34) Break & Enters offences and successfully avoided the detection of Law Enforcement. His luck only ran out when a sharp-eyed gutsy citizen turned the tables on him.”
“Canadian justice has now made Ros Melnyk an offender with almost nothing to lose.”
Sadly, there is no real “truth” in sentencing in Canada.
http://thepoliceinsider.com/police-on-life-support-revolving-doors-concurrent-sentences-killing-law-enforcement/
26 Dunny Burger
Apr 05th, 2014 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0“@Mendoza Canadian
Hypocrite who?”
DEFLECTING again, Dunny???
So, does this mean that you feel the robberies and growing lawlessness of Argentina is not to be criticised, or should be ignored, then???
BTW
Ros Melnyk to be held in custody
“The Prosecutor in this case appears to have agreed to Melnyk’s release, but only if he can find someone foolish enough to post a $10,000 surety to spring him. ”
I bet your rate of muggings is higher than ours, and GROWING.
@24
Apr 05th, 2014 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, i've been thinking about getting a new dog since my good old friend passed away last year at the age of 19 due respiratory failure. I'm still trying to get over the loss, but its complicated. Unfortunately, due my job and study now i barely have time for myself, let alone a new companion which i'd love to have.
I was thinking on getting German Shepherd or a Labrador retriever, but i think i'll wait a little longer, i don't want him/her to feel sad or alone due me being busy all the time.
These are hard times and the idea of leaving the country keeps crossing my mind all the time, it would be sad if i leave the country and i had to leave my partner behind.
As caveats . . . I lived in Argentina for 17 recent years, saw go from a safe, stable environment, without children begging in the streets of BA, and oft-seen incredibly beautiful young women alone returning on foot through the dark streets of San Telmo or LaNus at 4 in the morning, bejewelled and adorned only by high heels by short-to-Aha! party dresses . . . to the present day, when police in large numbers, shoulder-to-shoulder won't even enter some neighborhoods; where myriad children, the long-gone youth in their faces replaced by wariness, need and fear; where whole families sprawl unheeded on the financial district's sidewalks, money cup beside them, nursing babies, asleep and without hope because they have been there for days . . . and all because the Argentine people have no moral backbone, no sense that they are their brother's keeper, and because they are habitual cowards and liars themselves; accepting bribes to again vote in a president who is either corrupt beyond redemption or demonstrably criminally insane.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Canada is imperfect, but one of the good countries; Argentina is for now, evil―by action, word and complicity by her populace.
29 phrase Wizard
Apr 05th, 2014 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A very powerful post. Sad.
So much for “the Latin Paradise”.
Sharia Law comes to Argentina ... well, not sharia law, because that has a religious core. No, this is pure vigilante-ism, lynching, stoning and breaking bones.
Apr 05th, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The closest parallel in modern times would be the lynching of black Americans and slaves in the USA. Strange Fruit.
@Troy Tempest
Apr 05th, 2014 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“DEFLECTING again, Dunny???
So, does this mean that you feel the robberies and growing lawlessness of Argentina is not to be criticised, or should be ignored, then??? “
So are you saying that the corruption, the growing criminality and the corrupted system of the Revolving door of the Canadian judicial system cannot be criticised or just should be ignored?
Tell me why I cannot criticise Canada where drug dealers, criminals, corruption, etc. are all over the country?
“Addicts shoot up in safe haven in Canada”
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/11/world/americas/wus-canada-drug-safe-haven/
“Vancouver, British Columbia (CNN) -- Heroin, cocaine and amphetamines are the kind of street drugs you expect to find in the shady corners of any city, hiding away from the glare of law enforcement.
But in one small space in downtown Vancouver addicts openly inject their fixes -- as medics watch on.”
32.Canada corrupted? Lawless?
Apr 05th, 2014 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow you are really stupid, you must be the only person in the whole world that thinks Canada is corrupt or lawless!
Sheesh what a retard.
32 Dunny Burger
Apr 05th, 2014 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU ARE DIVERTING.
“Safe Injection Sites” started in Switzerland in 1986.
“Clean needles stop the spread of infections like HIV and Hepatitis C, and daily access to medical staff is all the more important for people living in harsh, exposed conditions.”
Progressive societies are using them for the benefit of their population.
Canada “corrupted”?
DIVERTING and OFF-TOPIC, Dunny.
Canada is imperfect yes,
- but what does that have to do with
A SPATE OF STREET LYNCHINGS IN ARGENTINA ????
Tell me how that reflects your society, economy, and incompetent and corrupt government ?
You have vigilantes in the streets - because they see no Rule of Law.
Argentina IS Venezuela !
Sorry, Dunny, that's the truth.
@ Troy Tempest
Apr 06th, 2014 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Canada's legal system is completely corrupt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW672BbJqfo
Surviving the horrors of Canada’s morally corrupt family court system
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW672BbJqfo
A WORLD VIEW OF THE CORRUPT CANADIAN JUDICIAL SYSTEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW672BbJqfo
Canada And Its Politically Appointed Judges
“There have been corrupt judges who take bribes and fix cases”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW672BbJqfo
WHY IS CANADA SO CORRUPT?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW672BbJqfo
Really sad. Isn't it?
Dunny Burger
Apr 06th, 2014 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are STILL off- topic, and attempting to DIVERT, but I suppose I did ask how Canada is “corrupt”.
I WILL agree that the Family Court system IS an exercise in frustration, I have dealt with it, first-hand, as a Father.
However, “corrupt ”?? - Jesus, I don't think so - that is hardly the term I would use. At worst, it is political correctness, and over-reaction taken to absurdity. At best, Family Law goals are thwarted by the same self-serving bureaucracies that were created to ensure them. A poorly executed system - nothing more.
It seems that Valerie Guillaume's Appeal will “inevitably” grant her compensation, according to your own article.
The characterise Canada as “corrupt ” in comparison to South American kleptocracies, is laughable.
Instances of incompetence, bias, and errors, occur in all Legal systems, in every country.
If I read Spanish, I expect I would find article after article about individual and systemic cases of corruption in the Argentine Legal System.
Oops, perhaps not! You don't have Freedom of the Press anymore.
Your 'rule by decree' President and the Judiciary, have passed a law to stifle news media not owned and controlled by the Government. Now they are shutting down Twitter, lest information be shared by the public too easily.
Dunny,
WHY are there VIGILANTE GROUPS LYNCHING SUSPECTED CRIMINALS IN THE STREET ???
Where are your POLICE ?
WHY are they not doing their jobs?
Is there NO 'RULE OF LAW IN ARGENTINA??
crime is GROWING
Violence is GROWING
Inflation is GROWING
IMPATIENCE WITH THE 'K's is GROWING.
Argentina is Venezuela
Tick Tock
Where people feel that they are unprotected by *their* police - or, indeed, where they are being targeted and exploited by their police - the people will take matters into their own hands.
Apr 06th, 2014 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Usually not done in the open, but sometimes overtly in the open, they will panga/machete, remove hands, shoot in the kneecaps, stone, and lynch until the malefactors are cowed by their extreme reaction and the forces of law and order are 'encouraged' by their president to 'do their job'.
The worst development would be for the reaction to take a religious track but I guess, when the world's Pope's a local boy, this is less likely here.
We all remember the IRA vigilante movement, the Taliban, the Ruanda/central African genocides, and today's 'Cubanization' of Venezuela; I would not wish this on the Argentinian people.
@Troy Tempest
Apr 06th, 2014 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The characterise Canada as “corrupt ” in comparison to South American kleptocracies, is laughable.”
Can you tell me what are the differences?
If you say that Argentina is corrupt Canada is far more corrupted.
In Argentina there is more freedom of press than any other country that I know.
Journalists and corporate media can say whatever they want even insulting the figure of the head of state.
Please show me one link where your Queen is insulted or disrespected in any main media channel.
If Countries as Canada, UK, etc would have media corporations like in Argentina you will be changing head of State every 2 months.
What you know about Argentina is through the Argie media and that can be dangerous.
I remember an interview about foreign women in Argies jails that an English woman ended up in prison for smuggling drug.
She said that she was desperate for cash and according with her information that she got in Argentina she took the trafficking job because she thought than in Argentina the corruption was rampant and there are any controls.
Well she went direct from the airport the jail so please be careful boys if you come to Argentina and try to hide something because argies prisons are so nasty and full of “Latin American brothers” What Americans call hispanos and latinos.
Ha ha
“Argentina is Venezuela”
If you say so...
I will see you in the next Lynching...
The fact there will be a next lynching shows how bad Argentina is.
Apr 06th, 2014 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0There has always been a disturbing amount of vigilantism in Argentina. Very often in small towns, a suspected rapist, burglar, child molester is stoned or burned alive in his house.
Apr 06th, 2014 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody is ever brought to justice it is merely overlooked and the criminal got what he deserved.
As it becomes increasingly difficult for a family to buy food due to inflation and unemployment crime will soar.
This is just the beginning.
There's a reason people live behind 12 foot walls and have armed private guards.
Dany has never been outside of SA and maybe not outside of Arg. He has no idea what a civilized country looks like.
38 Dunny
Apr 06th, 2014 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In Argentina there is more freedom of press than any other country that I know.”
LOL - yeah, shows what YOU know.
Our Queen is “Head of State”, but she does not set policy or run the country.
Nor does she 'rule by decree' like your Princess Cristina.
Enough of that.
Back to LYNCHINGS IN ARGENTINA.
It must be comforting for you that the vigilantes are patrolling your neighbourhoods, settling robberies and other crimes , with “street justice”
as there are no Police that could care less.
How soon before the vigilantes visit the Casa Rosada, or someone's home in Santa Cruz?
Waiting to see CFK hanging upside-down from a lamp post, like that other demented fascist, Mussolini.
The actual number of homicides, crimes and rapes are lied by the government and the police forces this adds and it also results on people seizing to denounce illicit acts they suffer due to useless police and a easy hand justice system. That has being going on for quite some time in.
Apr 06th, 2014 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The main problem as it is is that the government has denied for over a decade that insecurity crime, drugs and lawlessness exited. It brushed it of as a media invention. It’s a political stand point due to the fact the government has gone for years bragging and lying about so called social inclusion and that the poor thieves and criminals are the consequence of “neoliberalism” and the “1990s”…
By admitting crime not only exists but that has also risen means for the government also admitting that the social policies and achievements, economical growth of the past decade have being a lie, that the stance of easy and soft hand policy and revolving doors have proven a total failure and that Blumberg’s policies were correct.
42. Eventually they can't keep up the lies. The Society is on the brink of collapse and everyone knows it.
Apr 06th, 2014 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's just a matter of time before BA looks like Caracas.
Dunny Burger
Apr 06th, 2014 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dunny,
I was asking you questions relating directly to the article about ARGENTINA...
“WHY are there VIGILANTE GROUPS LYNCHING SUSPECTED CRIMINALS IN THE STREET ???”
”Where are your POLICE ?
WHY are they not doing their jobs?
Is there NO 'RULE OF LAW IN ARGENTINA??
No answer ??
Don't worry, everyone knows it's the crumbling of your society.
CFK took it to the brink, and her greed took it further.
Chile is looking at TDF now - unguarded.
Brazil will start thinking about BA
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