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The Economist's view of Argentine leader Cristina Fernández
The Economist has a piece on Argentina's president Cristina Fernández, an X-ray on her character, reactions, but also strong points, and what can be expected of what is left of her mandate that ends in December 2015. Even with her clout dwindling Cristina Fernández remains the most powerful politician of Argentina. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI love that photo: TMBOA in all her “glory”.
Apr 11th, 2014 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FFS!
Ugh she really does sound like a horrible person.
Apr 11th, 2014 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And a worse president.
Funny thing is that the ad appearing below her picture on my iPad was for a “new boiler”.
Apr 11th, 2014 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Priceless!
… one January afternoon we had seen a cow contemplating the sunset from the presidential balcony, just imagine, a cow on the balcony of the nation, what an awful thing, what a shitty country, and all sorts of conjectures were made about how it was possible for a cow to get onto a balcony since everybody knew that cows can’t climb stairs, and even less carpeted ones, so in the end we never knew if we had really seen it or whether we had been spending an afternoon on the main square and as we strolled along had dreamed that we had seen a cow on the presidential balcony where nothing had been seen or would ever be seen again for many years until dawn last Friday when the first vultures began to arrive … [Gabriel García Márquez's 'the Autumn of the Patriarch']
Apr 11th, 2014 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we love her!!!
Apr 12th, 2014 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Reminds me of another excellent piece from The Economist.
Apr 12th, 2014 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.economist.com/news/americas/21583252-evidence-huge-rip-offs-heart-bolivarian-revolution-has-unleashed-political
I think it has relevance on this topic. So many similarities!
ps. Thanks Chicureo. I read that book a long time ago. Such great literature!
Awesome!!!!!!
I must read again!
Ilsen
Apr 12th, 2014 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are very welcome...
This Economist piece is quite accurate if very fleeting! Could do with some more depth!
Apr 12th, 2014 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0She is an arrogant bitch. Hopefully she will end up in prison...where she belongs.
Apr 12th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#5
Apr 12th, 2014 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, we all love her. The best of argentina...jajajaja!
We love her too in Great Britian, she is causing Argentina to collapse around her, and now the country is completely incompotenet and its people are turning in on itself. , it couldnt happen to nicer facists. three cheers for Christian. I hope she stays in power a long time. jajajajaja.
Apr 12th, 2014 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 09 MC
Apr 12th, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Hopefully she will end up in prison...where she belongs.”
Prison ???
No, hopefully she ends up like Mussolini and his mistress, hung from the lamp posts and then cut down so the local people could line up to spit and urinate on the bodies - a fitting State Funeral for CFK
“Her only other confidant is her son, Máximo, a college dropout who lives in the far reaches of Patagonia”
Apr 12th, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please see the Comment by “German Holdout” in “The Economist”--->
Apr 12th, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.economist.com/comment/2352585-comment-2352585
ANOTHER PIECE BY LOW DENSITY JOURNALISM.
Apr 12th, 2014 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After reading many of the ridiculous reports written about c. f. k., i confirm once and again what i think about this kind of corporate journalism.
This is evident that lobbists won' never forgive her, the politic will that she had, when she anounced the renationalizations of the different enterprices that we lost during the years of neoliberalism, in fact, they still cry for ypf, aerolineas, previsional sistem, etc etc.
Unfortunately what those idiots don't realize, is that if they didn't waste so much time underestimating c. f. k., they would be able to make serious critics to the falencies of her governmnet, however, when i see that they just underestimate her, or make too partial lectures of the problems that we have, then it's evident that i am not wrong when i say that it's just low density journalism.
One the mistakes that i have always criticised of her governmnet, was the lack of a good policy for rail ways, in fact, only after the once tragedy, her government decided to renew all metropolitan rail ways. Another mistake, was the fact of having trusted in our parasitary burguesy,to handle ypf, beside, some of the minister that she had, were just useless. Anyway, beyond these mistakes and more, the country won't never be again, as it used to be before 2003. In 2015, her party will have ruled argentina for 12 years, which is a record for any party, that's why, i don't know whether it will be able to win the elections again next year, anyway, even if an ultra conservative party wins them, it won't be able to apply the true neoliberal policies that it defends, because people have already empowered of all the achievements that we got in this decade.
Ohhh Dear The Argentine Rural Society, Macri, Barrionuevo, Massa and Magnetto have being telling a London based liberal weekly newspaper established in the mid XIX Century and that earned last year £68m (Probably more than what those guys earn combined ) what to write....Again. They have so much control over the world, amazing!
Apr 12th, 2014 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel do you still wonder I why I have always underestimated you and called you a retard ??
CABEZA.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry, i have never wondered why such a backward like you insults me. I have arguments, you just have insults, and too partial truths, like any other sepoy has.
LOL...
Apr 13th, 2014 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have proven your whole post an absurd and you come back with KK snobbish whataboutry...
If I say you are a retard it’s because I really believe and know you are a retard, there is no other motive for my opinion of you.
But dont worry when it comes personal is when I know you are gov't paid to teach.
Axel you don't have arguments.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You pontificate and spew propaganda.
No one underestimates CFK, she just overestimates her own abilities.
She believes that she has created some new economic and social paradigm and little does she realise that she clearly hasn't. Everything that is happening to Argentina is ENTIRELY predictable. Her government's continual policy reversals recently as well as her ramped up Malvinas rhetoric are ENTIRELY predictable.
She doesn't surprise anyone outside of Argentina because we have seen here populist type so many times. They always fail. As she is now failing. She has robbed you personally blind but you are so enamoured by her propaganda that you ignore it. Her personal wealth should offend your leftist sensibilities but you can't bring yourself to say it. You should hate rich people that build their wealth on stealing from the common man but you just can't say it. You will grasp at every single tiny rationale but you can only do that if you suspend your belief at the facts that float around. You are so hypocritical that it is breathtaking.
It takes a special sort of person to sell our their supposedly core beliefs because they think they are striking a blow for some imaginary enemy by using all the archaic class warfare terms from decades ago. Terms that are so anachronistic in today's world that it is farcical.
There is no proletariat and bourgeoisie anymore. The world has moved on.
What hasn't changed is leaders who rort and steal and amass obscene fortunes off the back of taxpayers. You only have to look at the families of CFK and Chavez to see how rich these people became when elected.
19 Anglotino
Apr 13th, 2014 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0“She doesn't surprise anyone outside of Argentina because we have seen here populist type so many times. They always fail. As she is now failing. She has robbed you personally blind but you are so enamoured by her propaganda that you ignore it. Her personal wealth should offend your leftist sensibilities but you can't bring yourself to say it. You should hate rich people that build their wealth on stealing from the common man but you just can't say it. You will grasp at every single tiny rationale but you can only do that if you suspend your belief at the facts that float around. You are so hypocritical that it is breathtaking.”
Wow, breathtakingly perfect summation. You nailed it !!
“It takes a special sort of person to sell our their supposedly core beliefs because they think they are striking a blow for some imaginary enemy by using all the archaic class warfare terms from decades ago. Terms that are so anachronistic in today's world that it is farcical.”
That's our “special-person” Axel !!
Speaking of “willfully blind” or a “paid-dupe”, yep that's our Axel.
For whatever reason, he's full of sh!t and says... nothing. A dumkopf.
You know, I find it unendlessly amusing that participants such as Troy Tempest and Anglotino, at this stage of the match, have no longer any idea why they are in this website arguing and bickering with argies.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0WikiLeaks: In a secret cable sent from the State Department to the US embassy in Buenos Aires, Mrs Kirchner was portrayed as an unstable and mercurial leader.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, questioned the mental health of President Cristina Kirchner of Argentina and asked American diplomats if she was taking medication to help her “calm down”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8169552/WikiLeaks-Hillary-Clinton-questions-the-mental-health-of-Cristina-Kirchner.html
21 Nostrils
Apr 13th, 2014 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you on this website?
I thought you didn't care about what we thought?
I thought you wanted to be left alone?
- and yet, you keep coming back.
You are so needy LOL !!
“Her only other confidant is her son, Máximo, a college dropout who lives in the far reaches of Patagonia”
Apr 13th, 2014 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would that be “Think”, by any chance?
Think, how many generations back can you trace your ancestors in South America?
#19 Anglotino
Apr 13th, 2014 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There is no proletariat and bourgeoisie anymore. The world has moved on. ”
CFK doesn't believe that there is a proletariat and a bourgeoisie - if she did, she would be a classical marxist, like many marxists in Europe (Ken Livingstone, Joe Higgins, Julio Anguita and others). I mean, she wouldn't be THAT bad.
She is not a marxist, that's a common mistake that people do (specially europeans) when they analize CFK.
She is a PERONIST. In many ways, she is strongly ANTI-marxist and more akin to fascism and even to nazism than to orthodox marxism. She believes in people not in the marxist sense of lower classes, proletariat - an economic cathegory - but in the right-wing sense of VOLK, as an organic and traditional entity.
That's why she ordered the destruction of the statue of Cristopher Columbus, a symbol of 'eurocentric' and therefore, anti-Latinoamerican thought. And that's why Peronism has a strongly anti-European and Anti-American rethoric. It's all about VOLK, not about the lower classes.
CFK certainly does not believe that there is any kind of solidarity between an English worker and an Argentinian worker, as a true marxist would think. Marxism is inherently internationalist. Peronism (and kirchnerism) is nationalist and isolationist. Their focus is the struggle between the national and popular interests of Argentines and the international, rootless, countriless bankers and capitalists.
Peronism combine right wing and left wing discourses and that's why it's not very well understood by europeans and north-americans, who aren't used to this kind of mix. Well, I believe that anyone outside Argentina is.
I would say that the destruction of the statue of Cristopher Columbus is an attempt to hide the fact, that 98.54 percent of the Argentine population are squatters, an implanted people that does not belong in South America.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 025 ricagp
Apr 13th, 2014 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Peronism has a strongly anti-European and Anti-American rethoric. It's all about VOLK, not about the lower classes. ”
“She is a PERONIST. In many ways, she is strongly ANTI-marxist and more akin to fascism and even to nazism than to orthodox marxism. She believes in people not in the marxist sense of lower classes, proletariat - an economic cathegory - but in the right-wing sense of VOLK, as an organic and traditional entity. ”
” Peronism (and kirchnerism) is nationalist and isolationist. “
Well, that would fit ” NOSTRIL ” to a tee
Nostrils.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0At this stage of the match?
What stage?
What match?
You can wonder all you want in why I am here. Because I honestly down care a fig on why you are here.
I replied to someone and was on topic.
Nice to see you are consistent though. Time to change your name again.
Think, how many generations back can you trace your ancestors in South America?
Apr 13th, 2014 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16 “underestimated” or “overestimated”?
Apr 13th, 2014 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@17 Don't be so petty. You are a retard. We can all see it. If it was anyone with an atom of intelligence, I'd suggest you quit embarrassing yourself. Being online you can't hear the sniggers and laughter as you attempt to pretend that you are educated or intelligent. Incidentally, none of that is an insult. It's just accurate!
@21 “unendlessly”?
#21 titti boi tobi/nostrils
Apr 13th, 2014 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Therein lays your problem and every other bolivarian socialist commie.........thinking it's a mere match in a game. It's not a game your self indulgent juvenile drone. Ask any middle class, working class Argentine that works for a living in a country where the government outlaws imports because it refuses to pay for previous administrations debts of the existing country, or the government finds 40 to 50% annual inflation acceptable. Perhaps if you did not live in your mothers basements and under her purse strings or under the supple of government handouts, you would see live differently.
However there is still hope. With the ever increasing actions of lynch mobs, the chances are increasing daily that kfc with be Mussolinied as they continue the grow fed up with the crazy economic polices of the most incompetent government in the history of modern governments.
In the meantime, the best that kfc is capable of is placing croonies in position so she will not be indicted after her tenure is over......if she makes it that long. Perhaps the money laundering link in Nevada is a step closer to closing out the end of the beginning of her demise and open the investigation stage. In the meantime, keep hanging onto your naivety, jingoism, nationalism and patriotic pride that will ultimately help Somaliaize Argentina. Soon and before you know it.....you (your government) will be looking to Cuba to bail you out. If you are brave enough....take a trip (if mom allows you) leave Mendoza and travel about and take a gripping reality view of the real South America. reality is so difference from the safe confirms of the biased and virtual world of the internet.
@31
Apr 13th, 2014 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you think a government that pays the debts of the existing country, squashes the 30% inflation, and opens the doors of imports by cutting their wages in half, re-instating the world's highest rates for water, gas, and electricity, and makes the family lose their jobs to foreign imports is going to be “acceptable” by the middle class?
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Owner: I
Price: 90 metric tons of 24k gold.
location: between Kathmandu and Bhutan.
32. When there is so much evidence that this works in many many many countries, why oh why can't Rgs get it through their thick heads that it will work for them too?
Apr 13th, 2014 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The way your economy has been managed for 3 generations OBVIOUSLY doesn't work and has never worked anywhere in the history of the world. Is everyone one there insane? Trying the same thing over and over again hoping for a different outcome. Yes Insane it is.
Argentina has already been rich, for most of the late 19th and early 2oth century. That's almost 100 years, not an insignificant time period. But it's over. Countries rise and fall.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once a country reaches it's economic peak, it never comes back. Never has a nation in world history been #1, or at least in the top spots, and then after the inevitable decline, come BACK to that spot. NEVER.
So no, it won't work because nothing human can stop the flow of history.
34 Nostril
Apr 13th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Once a country reaches it's economic peak, it never comes back. Never has a nation in world history been #1, or at least in the top spots, and then after the inevitable decline, come BACK to that spot. ”
“So no, it won't work because nothing human can stop the flow of history.”
Still Trolling for attention ???
Not going to argue with you - it just a useless exercise to give Toby some attention.
You are right. There is no point in changing policies once you've found a course that's proven to fail - just continue.
You are fated to fail - it's nobody's fault - it's inevitable.
You might as well stop talking about it.
It's not about continuing a fail course. Yes, failure is inevitable. So?
Apr 13th, 2014 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's why I have never discussed Argentine economics here. There is nothing to discuss. History is just taking its due course.
Yes, nothing to discuss, please continue - failing.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#32 Yes, as yankee stated, it's evidenced worldwide. You can't see it because you are trapped in a failed paradigm. You use the word fail what you ignore wither by choice or ignorance is the cycles and failures are not the same thing.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It has to be assumed and reasonably so that South Americans are fearful of the concept or independence and self sufficiency. If the market model is so bad, why do you think China, your new savior has attempted to change over to it, albeit poorly I might add. What do you think the market system did for the people of China?
As for gas, water and energy prices......market economies do not operate unchecked. Prices have a way in market economies of finding the right price if a business is going to operate for a profit. When your people realize that the leaders in your country have no concern of moving people out of poverty and into middle working class......maybe then your countrymen with start a new journey, until then..........you are fucked with peronism.
CaptainPoppy
Apr 13th, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The way they are going, down the toilet, they will be flushed out to sea pretty soon, and as history shows, their smarter, fitter to survive neighbours, will divide the spoils.
Right now, they're still swirling around the bowl - faster and faster...
Without the Peronist Isolationism and Fatalism, they would stand a chance of climbing out.
However, with Peronists like Nostrils resigned to following that dysfunctional ideology, it's only a matter of time.
Personally, despite his protests to the contrary, Nostrils DOES want to discuss it and bemoan his fate, but only to garner personal attention.
I, for one, am not going to indulge him.
Over and out.
Many times throughout history both the USA, UK,have been down for the count. Yet time and agian , adapting, changing policies, changing their destiny has brought them back to the top. Both financially and politically.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Toby you statement is purely false.
You are sad and bitter.
What a loser you are at such a young age.
At this rate you'll be waving rags and parking cars on the street in a few years.
Sad and pathetic
Apparently the picture, taken just after she got back from another night spending her countries money getting pissed,
Apr 13th, 2014 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the x-rays showed no heart or brain,
Just sawdust and seeds,
Still,
She has another year to destroy what’s left..lol
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CABEZA DURA: If it soposes that i am a retard, and if it soposes that you are smarter than me, then i don't know why you waste time, answering the comments of somebody who you consider like a retard.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, i recognize that i committed a big mistake, because i should have realized that it was going to be a waste of time, to answer the comments of such a backward like you, who just insults me.
Keep believing if it makes you happy, that arg. was rich 100 years ago, and started declining because of peronism, when actualy it is a too partial truth, and continue to believe also that all social numbers are better in chile, when actualy the question is very relative.
I already wasted so much time with you, and i could never enrich my knowledge.
ANGLOTINO. TROY TOMPEST.
It's well know that when there are no enough solid arguments to refut sombody's opinions, the only one thing that someone like troy tompest can do, is to insult and underestimate a guy like me, just because i don't think like him, which shows how reactionary he is.
On the other hand, if i repeated propaganda, as anglotino accuses me, i wouldn't make any critic to c. f. k's government, however, if he reads my comment 15 again, he'll see unless in a partial way, some of the critics that i often make to her government, perhaps, he didn't realize of it. Beside, i am not a defender of c. f. k's moral authority, or any other functionary's, if the president, or any member of her cabinet committed corruption delits, they must be judged and sentenced, and i won't be there to defend what is unjustifiable.
The fact that i partialy agree on kirchnerism in ideological terms, doens't mean that i won't make critics.
Unfortunately, every time i read the too partial lectures that many people here make about arg.' problems, then i realize that i am not wrong when i say that many people in this forum have no more than the typical ignorant view that powerful countries have, in relation to latin countries.
The British military are abt to start friendly exercises in the Falkland's, starting tomorrow I believe..
Apr 13th, 2014 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel. Everyone on here calls you a retard. Everyone tells you that you think wrong. Everyone tells you YOU are the one with ”too partial and Mediocre ( whatever that means) replies.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck. It is a duck
You are a retard.
“Once a country reaches it's economic peak, it never comes back. Never has a nation in world history been #1, or at least in the top spots, and then after the inevitable decline, come BACK to that spot. NEVER.”
Apr 13th, 2014 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pseudo-spenglerian philosophy at its best.
When I say that peronists are right-wing extremists people laugh at me, but that's the truth.
@42. I don't think you are retarded. Not everyone on here has formed their opinion of Argentina and Latin American countries from afar. I, and many others, form their opinion from first hand experience.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with your rants is that you have a very inward looking, nationalistic viewpoint. I think you need to update the text books you use to teach. People from Europe don't strut around thinking we are superior to Latin Americans. Not many people think about LatAm at all. The thing is……. and something TTT fails to understand too…… this message board IS about Latin America. So, people like me with an interest in the countries come here to discuss and debate.
I have noticed how many CFK supporters are trying to distance themselves from her now they are seeing her for what she is.
42
Apr 13th, 2014 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you so afraid of me Axel??
Axel makes empty posts - he is a generalist.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He knows that if he does dare make a specific statement, he can expect you to tear it to shreds, and he can't blame foreigners then.
@48
Apr 13th, 2014 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember in Roger Cohen's article and the debate I had with him clearly does weigh heavy on him still, what I said Argentina of the early 1900s and Chile overcoming Argentina in all social and economical aspects in these days is something that clearly bothers him.
You present him WHO numbers, PISA levels, CIA factbook stats, GDP level evolution, historic facts, logic and the poor guy could only answer the same generic thing over and over, with his rhetorical long speeches with minor adjustments in the order of his wording. He is brainwashed and in denial, he can’t accept the facts as they are
If Axel started pulling that little thread of Peronism his whole world view ravels apart.
Apr 13th, 2014 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really feel sorry for his students an Arg next generation
He is ruining them just like he's been ruined.
I wonder if Toby was one of his students?
#49
Apr 13th, 2014 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Chile overcoming Argentina in all social and economical aspects in these days is something that clearly bothers him.”
Peronists hate Chile (and chileans) passionately. Perhaps even more than England.
@38
Apr 14th, 2014 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“market economies do not operate unchecked”
They did in Argentina.
1999-2001 = -8% deflation rate
1999-2001 = +11% inflation in utility rates
Which is why so many people stopped services at the time all together.
You can't move people out of poverty when there is no mechanism of moving them out of poverty. Argentina WAS already rich, a country rises and falls once.
What yankeeboy said about the USA and England is utterly juvenile analysis.
The UK has been declining from its number 1 position ever since 1918. It was the first world war that ruined Britain, the second just made it official. By ruin I mean “no longer on the ascending slope”. The USA is on the decline now, whether he likes it or not. In many categories you used to lead you no longer do, many countries have surpassed you.
Decline is a descent from an apogee, or highest point. Simple as that.
You can decline and remain powerful, but its decline no less. Argentina has been declining for a long time yet still is a better place to live than much of the world, despite the heavy protestations and denials of most of you here. But it's still decline. That's the definition.
38 Captain Poppy
Apr 14th, 2014 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Capt,
Can you believe this stupid Nostrils??
“Decline is a descent from an apogee, or highest point. ”
- only if there is no added energy or impetus, to ascend even higher.
He thinks 'decline to oblivion' is an immutable law.
Well it may be, for any Nostril-type Argentinians who do not understand Cause & Effect of their actions, or childishly don't believe they are responsible for their own fates.
Nostril is a Fatalist. If he is a true reflection of the rest of the population, sitting down and giving up, is a self-fulfilling prophecy - they're on the down elevator to Hell, and doing nothing about it.
Axel Arg will teach the younger generation, Pablo Cedron et al, that the “Sepoys” and other “enemies of Argentina”, are to blame.
Nostrils is so resigned, he has no understanding that the same determination, insight, and innovation that propelled Britain and the US to creating the largest Economies and empires in the world, are the qualities they will build on again.
We as peoples, are masters of our own destiny.
Is that a cultural trait? I don't know.
By doing nothing, the “Nostrils ” will ensure their own DECLINE, but they can't say we are destined for the same.
You can think what you want.
Apr 14th, 2014 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0US = relative decline.
Apr 14th, 2014 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK = relations decline.
Argentina = absolute decline.
Arguing was never a strong point for Nostrils.
And?
Apr 14th, 2014 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have always noticed how you seem very much to enjoy and salivate at every opportunity to laugh or mockingly exalt any and all of Argentina's problems. You enjoy it quite a bit actually.
No matter if the other person is British, Chilean, Brazilian, Uruguayan, American, Australian, whatever, you always juxtapose that other country with Argentina, in order to derogate and abase the latter.
I don't get what you get out of constantly trying to highlight how “bad”, “wicked”, “useless”, “backwards”, and “insignificant” we are. Speaks more of how you than anything else.
Your point is?
Apr 14th, 2014 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 056 Nostrils
Apr 14th, 2014 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0”I don't get what you get out of constantly trying to highlight how “bad”, “wicked”, “useless”, “backwards”, and “insignificant” we are. Speaks more of how you than anything else.
I don't see Anglotino doing that at all.
To the contrary, he refutes your own outrageous insults, accusations, and bragging.
It is not the Argentine people that are ridiculed - it is CFK, your government, and the Peronist and personality- Kult Trolls that support her, we are repelled by.
You, Nostril, we just laugh at.
My point is to point it out. I'm not trying to help you. Just stating what I observe (and which you couldn't even deny). The only one who can help is yourself, thus obviously a catch-22 for you.
Apr 14th, 2014 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are returning the favour - just pointing it out.
Apr 14th, 2014 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have to help yourselves.
Easier to blame us, though.
Have you noticed I have not said a word about Europe, the UK, Australia, or Canada recently? So what are you talking about I'm blaming you. Stop your theater, I'm not even interested in your countries anymore so I don't talk about it.
Apr 14th, 2014 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nostrils
Apr 14th, 2014 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Have you noticed I have not said a word about Europe, the UK, Australia, or Canada recently?”
That is not true,
but it has been less overt.
You HAVE been needling us indirectly @ 21, 32, 36,
but directly @ 52
“The UK has been declining from its number 1 position ever since 1918. It was the first world war that ruined Britain, the second just made it official. By ruin I mean “no longer on the ascending slope”. The USA is on the decline now, whether he likes it or not. In many categories you used to lead you no longer do, many countries have surpassed you. ”
Nostril,
You asked, “why are you on here?”
It is clear why YOU are.
You come on here seeking attention and arguments.
We didn't disagree you were in “decline”.
You could have left it at that, and gone away.
'You blaming us' - the “you” is the Peronists and Isolationists, LIKE yourself, who blame “enemy” foreigners for your failed situation, rather than take responsibility yourselves.
Nostrils,
This is a pattern you continue to repeat.
Whether we agree with you, or show you our “observations” to the contrary, you always want to argue about it, and play the victim to varying degrees.
You've said your piece, declared your pathway, asserted your disdain.
Carry on... do you really need to keep coming back to argue the same points repeatedly? We agree, you're in unstoppable decline. You're the jealous one who wants us to follow.
Sorry, no.
Nostrils
Apr 14th, 2014 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you are looking for validation or recognition because of your current behaviour then you can look elsewhere. My personality is not so weak that I will change what I do simply because you feel that you have moved the goalposts.
You are fascinated with other's perceptions of you. I am neither fascinated by you nor care what you opinion is.
First off, I haven't denigrated the Argentine people. I denigrated your president and Axel Arg. That is two people not 42 million. Considering Cristina's personality, narcissism and faults; it wouldn't surprise me if she subscribed to “l'etat c'est moi” however I never assumed you did. Until now.
As for all your talk of decline. I was agreeing with you. Just because you can't differentiate between absolute and relative decline is more a reflection on you than me.
Why do you two always mention I should go away?
Apr 14th, 2014 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really do not believe in freedom of speech huh. For you two, I have no right to express myself. You want this website to be a monopoly of your convictions. No dissent.
Not surprised.
And please Anglotino, you are LYING. And no I won't apologize for calling you a liar. You constantly love to show how bad and horrible Argentina is as a place. Deny it all you want, but everyone knows what you do. And your Claque defense does not work.
BCRA is holding up U$4.5B in imports!! They won't have the U$ until the SOY sells.
Apr 14th, 2014 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cue increase inflation, lower sales, lower tax revenue.
What a bunch of idiots running this place into the ground.
Its pretty cold pretty early this year
Rut Ro
Shooting up children, military men, and Jews. America #1 baby.
Apr 14th, 2014 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DId you get a part time job in a locutorio so you can be on the internet?
Apr 14th, 2014 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know you had to get rid of the home connection
Pretty soon you'll have to sell that sugar to keep the house warm
Not yet though
not yet
64 Vic-TROLL-a
Apr 14th, 2014 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- every time you get wound up, you play the same old scratchy record.
- and Pablo Cretin thinks you are “his master's voice”.
same old lament, “Woe is me ”
Yep, we agree - what is there to talk about ?
@86 Vic-TROLL- a
“Shooting up children, military men, and Jews. America #1 baby.”
Yep, same old record - yawn.
Put on Julio Iglesias - or anything Please!!
Toby,
Apr 14th, 2014 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have such an odd perception of what we claim to be. We are an ENORMOUS nation, we will have violence now and again, accidents now and again, corruption now and again, gov't over reach now and again. None of this is endemic to our society though.
You'll never understand what it is like to live in a civilized society. Not having to live behind bars, gates and private security or watch your back everytime you walk down the street or deliberately dress down so you don't get mugged or be able to travel whenever and where ever we want, or buy whatever we want, or or or or or or
You'll never know
You'll only get more and more jealous bitter and angry as you sell your property to stay warm.
loser
They are correcto tobias....you are a broken record. Like a sacred little rat, when frightened, they always scurry home to momma and your comfort is the same old mantra.
Apr 14th, 2014 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you enjoy Fest300?
And you guys are not a broken record?
Apr 14th, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can summarize the last two 1/2 years so:
”CFK will be hanged.... soon, like next month (Jan 2012)“
”14 to 1 peso buy June (March 2012)...“
”Argentina will be force to pay, in a few months (prob since 2003)“
”Argies are the most horrible people on Earth“
”Argieland is the worst country in the world“.
And that basically sums up the breath of your repertoire (”your“ as in plural, all of you. That is the most annoying part of the English language, this inexactitude: It's a friend of mine... well a man or a woman??”)
Actually Toby I discuss current stories with comments on what may happen in the immediate/middle future based on my life experiences.
Apr 14th, 2014 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of what I told you was going to happen has happened.
All you seem to do is take one off news articles or 200 year old history and try to use the info to extrapolate it out to some nonsensical conclusion.
I guarantee you've never take a logic or debate class.
Your educations is an embarrassment.
Nostrils
Apr 14th, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We comment on the articles
Then you, singular, respond with your standard US/UK put downs and “ you guys hate us and destroy our economy - we want no part of you”
That evokes a response from us - “ yes, we agree - you are doomed”
But our agreement is not enough for you, is it?
Back on topic. That photo looks a bit scary. A bit gothic horror movie.
Apr 15th, 2014 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for tobi and ilk. Idiots. I won't respond.
“Your educationS IS an embarrassment”
Apr 15th, 2014 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0What can be said except...
LOL x 1.000.000
is that all you can say?
Apr 15th, 2014 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0weak, Nostrils, weak...
As I said, an embarrassment.
Apr 15th, 2014 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is going to be a very hard last six months for CFK as all the influence peddlers and power seekers look for their next target to leech off. Let's just hope for Argentina's sake you can find someone with real moral principle, and a democrat rather than a populist. Good luck with that.
Apr 15th, 2014 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The question for me is the woman genuinely mentally ill, in which case she needs help, or is she just building up some kind of defence which will keep herself out of criminal court if her opponents gain power?
Apr 17th, 2014 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually I think she does have mental health issues.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0While its Easter and I'd rather be elsewhere actually, I think this is the last day I can comment on this article so I better do it now and give the other side a chance, if anyone else is here today, to reply - rather than falsely accusing me of a sneaky last minute post again. Truth is I saw the article a few days ago but have been busy with real life...
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0For me it all boils down to this: “Ms Fernández is also a genuine believer in Kirchnerismo. “She truly buys her own dogma,” says Mr Fernández. “She is convinced that she’s the protagonist of her own revolution.” The ends of this revolution are more social inclusion; the means include raising trade barriers, persecuting big business, and doling out subsidies”
You see its almost irrelevant if the rest of the “pshychodrama”, or rather tittle tattle, is true or false - everyone has good and bad points to their personality, and the article does nothing to convince that Cristinita is especially bad, despite putting the worst possible spin on everything (I could show how it does that paragraph by paragraph but don't really have the time - just one example, she apparently wants loyalty; and your heroine Maggie didn't, right?!)
The thing is, the Economist hates her because she puts “social inclusion” above “big business”, in their own words, while they take the opposite line. And what's more shocking she really believes her own politics, unlike the useless likes of Clegg and Cameron. So even if all the rest of what they say about her is true (and for an open hatchet job it really isn't that damning), that's the only reason they hate her, and why I will still love her =)
Btw Axel well done on being an oasis of sense on this thread. What do you think of the new article saying Scioli is now the incumbent candidate, whether Kirchnerism likes it or not? I don't imagine you'll just be dictated to... =)
@ 81 Blind Scottie Kirchnerist
Apr 20th, 2014 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, well, back from the dead eh? I thought you had croaked I must admit it!
“Truth is I saw the article a few days ago but have been busy with real life...”
Two problems here straight away:
1) you wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you;
2) same again for “real life”.
TMBOA has systematically carried on from where “Bug-eyed Nestor” left off in robbing any money she can from anywhere, she’s not proud I will say.
BUT, and there’s always a but, your place in La Camping It Up will, I should imagine, be safe once she is hanged from the nearest lamp post and the sooner the better.
I bet you wouldn’t show Marxist solidarity and be hung with her and make a duo in death, would you.
I would pay good money to see a video of that.
Ha, ha, ha. Just kidding, or maybe not.
Poor British_Kirchnerist
Apr 20th, 2014 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Australia has better social inclusion than Argentina and we didn't even need to invent a cult of personality to do it.
Anyway I don't hate her.
I just hate what she has done to Argentina. And I despise how much money she has stolen from people too.
C
81 BK ( Voicy?)
Apr 20th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel, “oasis of reason ”??
CFK, “ beautiful”???
- still have your sense of humour, I see !!
LOL !!
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