MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Spanish government vessels incursions into Gibraltar waters reach 600
Spanish government vessels have unlawfully entered British territorial waters around Gibraltar more than 600 times since the start of 2013, according to official figures. There were 496 incursions in 2013 and 112 in the first three months of 2014, the figures disclosed by Foreign Secretary William Hague revealed. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIncursions: 600
Apr 16th, 2014 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Results: 0
In other words zip, nil, nada, zero, sweet F all!
At least Putin's incursions contain weapons.
Don't talk about it, Mr Foreign Secretary, DO something about it.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sink a couple of them,
Guaranteed, no more will turn up.
lts the only thing that these people understand.
Being nice & wishy-washy only encourages them.
No wonder they think we are weak & can be taken advantage of.
Ba gum, l wish l was running the Foreign Office.
@2 Isolde
Apr 16th, 2014 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I disagree. As tempting as it is to just 'open fire and sink' them, it would be wrong and playing into the hands of the Spanish. The Spanish want an 'incident' so they can run to the EU and UN and show how the British are bullying them, poor defenceless Spain.
The British are playing this smart. Collect evidence against them. The next stage should be to seize these Spanish vessels, arrest the crew, and fine them.
And if the Spanish want their vessel back they can pay the Gibraltarian government the impound fees.
Now that would stick in Spains craw, wouldn't it?
And the Spanish can then cry all they want to the EU and UN, but the British will say, “We have been very patient. Look at the number of incursions. We have asked the Spanish government numerous times to stop and they have ignored us, and instead increased the number. So now they face the full force of British law.”
And no country in the world would put up with another country constantly infringing on it's territory like this.
@2
Apr 16th, 2014 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0no, no. no!. Spain is set on a course of implosion of its own making, last thing we need to do is unify them against us. Once this silly distraction in Scotland is out of the way, the Foreign Office can give its full support and backing to Catalonia and cause Spain no end of problems.
Revenge is always best served cold.
Gibraltar do not have territorial waters ! How difficult is to understand it?
Apr 16th, 2014 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“by making formal diplomatic protests to the Spanish Government about all unlawful incursions.” yaaaawn!
Apr 16th, 2014 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isolde is in principle right: Do Something!
- but no violence.
Summon the Spanish Ambassador every single time there is an illegal incursion. His/her overtime payment for 500 summons per year will ruin the Spanish state in no time.
“Gibraltar do not have territorial waters ! How difficult is to understand it?”
Apr 16th, 2014 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would seem it is extremely difficult for some to understand.
7 Anglotino
Apr 16th, 2014 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Would seem it is extremely difficult for some to understand.”
What a brilliant put down!! Could not stop laughing... so funny.
nuff respec.
@ 7 Anglotino
Apr 16th, 2014 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great put down!
What a pity that “Spanish Mole” will be incapable of grasping the finer point of your comment.
This just demonstrates the utter stupidity of some of the “Spanish” supporters. He probably lives in BsAs.
@5 I don't know. It does. How thick are you?
Apr 16th, 2014 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm amazed. In the past, I have suggested sinking these trespassers, arresting them, impounding the vessels, seizing them, repainting them in Gibraltar/British colours, being prepared to shoot up anything spanish that approaches, arresting the crews, sticking them in prison in “The Tunnels” for a couple of months to await trial, imposing 5-year (no parole, no remission) sentences, and a 10-year sentence for the “commanding officer” and there has been castigation, remonstration and so on. And now people see things my way? Here's a new one. A spanish poaching vessel enters Gibraltar waters. Navy divers slip into the sea. They attach a mine to the keel of the poacher. An hour later, the poacher explodes in a fireball. RGP vessels were despatched immediately. They arrived on scene two hours later. Regrettably, there were no survivors. Guardia Civil vessels attempted to assist but, undoubtedly due to poor maintenance, they also sank. Also no survivors. British Gibraltar Territorial Waters appear to have turned into a European “Bermuda Triangle”. Vessels from spain disappear with monotomous regularity.
Would it be any wonder if Putin was thinking: “The UK won't even kick Spanish Civil Guards out of their waters in Gibraltar, so why should I fear Mr Hague when he complains about Russia in the Ukraine?”.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I.e. Hague and Cameron are p*ss and wind.
You bunch make me laugh , big time . What a funny breed you are . However neither irony or sarcasm is argument.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way conqueror ,get a life mate . Honestly stop playing battle field and try to meet real people. It doesn't hurt.
Regards from Spain ( In Europe , near France , you know?)
@13
Apr 16th, 2014 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll be no doubt laughing when the UK gets fed up and supports Catalonia's claim for independence, and pulls the plug on further lending to Spain from the EU.
We contribute £50m a day to the EU.
Spain's contribution to the EU is?
@5 British Gibraltar does have its own territorial waters. The UK and S pain have both signed UNCLOS, an international treaty. The ICJ has already stated that ANY delimitation of territorial waters cannot be carried out unilaterally (Gulf of Maine Case). The ICJ has also determined that declarations and statements made on signing and ratifying have no impact on how UNCLOS is applied (Black Sea delimitation case). The PCA has also determined that the median line between two opposing states/countries takes priority before any 'historical title.' if S pain wants to delimit British Gibraltar territorial waters they can only do this via the ICJ.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You boys and girls should play nice with Spain.
Apr 16th, 2014 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After all, Spain is by far the biggest single importer of falklands “produce”.
Molluscs - one of lifes essentials.
15
Apr 16th, 2014 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I've met lots of “real” people. I've put argies behind bars. For years. ”
Hohoho...what an exaggeration.....
Here's what really happened....
.....“Do you have anything to declare Sir..?”
....Conqueror rummages through his luggage...possible illegal substance found...
He then reports to his superior....
Superior contacts the police....
Police refer the matter to Crown Prosecution....who decide if there is a case....
The matter goes to court.....
....then the judge is the one that puts people behind bars...
...not you...you arse....arse being the bit that you usually had to search.....
..you are such a card.....
@12 Spanish Mole
Apr 16th, 2014 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Regards from Spain (In Europe, near France, you know?)”
Yes yes. Thank you. We do know. It has an INTERNATIONAL BORDER with France.
It also has an INTERNATIONAL BORDER with Andorra.
It also has an INTERNATIONAL BORDER with Portugal.
It also has an INTERNATIONAL BORDER with Morocco.
And finally:
It also has an INTERNATIONAL BORDER with Gibraltar.
Thank you for that geography lesson.
@16 Vestige
Thanks for that little fact. What is Spain going to do now? Block trade with the Falklands? Why hasn't it already? All talk and no action.
With the oil coming online in the Falklands, seafood bans by Spain will be about as effective as...... 600 incursions into Gibraltar's waters.
And after Still Boring A_Voice's spectacular fail on a recent Spanish article it is little wonder that he ignores the topic.
WTF are you talking about Skip....
Apr 16th, 2014 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A)...I don't fail.....that's your department..
B)...I haven't been on here...lately....
Oh Still Boring A_Voice
Apr 17th, 2014 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0So glad you replied.
This should jock your memory:
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/04/10/mas-defies-madrid-catalonia-will-go-ahead-with-the-independence-referendum#comments
Comments 1, 2, 5 and 12!
A)...You did fail.... in a big way.... and I have yet to see you ever show...where...I have failed..... EVER!
B)...You haven't been on here...lately..... pretty much after that failure of a comment.... above...
Anyway, comments are still open on that thread, so feel free to reply there as well....or will you disappear....again....????
What is funny is that I preempted you on this one:
“He has a very Toby take on remembering situations such as these.”
I knew you would misremember what happened. Just like Nostrils, you keep claiming to have bested me somewhere but never seem to be able to back up that claim.
Good luck with your research. I'm at work, but will check in later.
that conqueror imbecile must be the typical keyboard warrior / toy soldier.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0a fatty teenager bullied by his class mates, playing the brave guy behind a computer...lol
what a wanker.
....that was two weeks ago Skip...I made the comment and never read any replies....
Apr 17th, 2014 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0...I had places to go and people to tutor.....
Thanks for reminding me....
You have a strange perception of triumph....the way I see it...I took your comment and re-wrote it to make you look stupid....how is that a fail....
Why would Scotland want to be part of such a dysfunctional state...?
Other people got it...were you too slow or too embarrassed to see the comparison...Spain/Catalonia.....UK/Scotland
...like I said ...two weeks ago is hardly lately.....you failed again Skip.....PMSL...AT YOU!
Still Boring A_Voice
Apr 17th, 2014 - 02:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you deliberately compounding your FAILURE just to please me?
Because I am pleased!
“that was two weeks ago Skip”
Aaah I don't know what temporal displacement field you have been living in, but you last commented on that thread SEVEN DAYS ago....
When does SEVEN DAYS equal FOURTEEN DAYS?
Only in your imagination while you squirm.
I don't doubt you have things to do but good comebacks is not part of that.
“You have a strange perception of triumph....the way I see it...I took your comment and re-wrote it to make you look stupid....how is that a fail....”
Oh really?
“Why would Scotland want to be part of such a dysfunctional state...?
Other people got it...were you too slow or too embarrassed to see the comparison...Spain/Catalonia.....UK/Scotland”
Oh never try to bullsh!t when you can be quoted:
“With regions within UK wanting to leave; you would have to be deluded to imagine that anyone would actually want to become part of such a dysfunctional state.”
Let me hightlight:
“anyone would actually want TO BECOME PART OF such a dysfunctional state”
Become part of? No matter how you twist that, that means to JOIN!
My comeback:
“Who exactly is the UK trying to incorporate?
Spain wants to take over and incorporate Gibraltar.
The UK..... umm... err..... well that comparison wasn't thought through too well.”
So who is the UK trying to incorporate?
So how did it go down?
I spoke about Spain's failure to convince Gibraltar to JOIN Spain.
You then highlighted that no one wants to become part of the dysfunctional UK.
I then highlighted that the UK isn't trying to convince anyone to become part of the UK.
“...like I said ...two weeks ago is hardly lately.....you failed again Skip.....PMSL...AT YOU!”
Yeah TWO WEEKS - all the way back on April 10th. I don't laugh at you any longer, just shake my head in embarrassment every time you reply to me.
The thread is still open! I dare you to reply....
@ Anglotino
Apr 17th, 2014 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0you should have noticed by now that A_Noise has been demonstrated to be an dishonest debater and a liar, and he is always trolling.
@13 Pete Bog
Apr 17th, 2014 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spanish contribution to EU?
Several thousands of immigrants and teaching to the British women how to make love properly?
@14 Brit Bob
Good one , however S pain does not consider that Resolution III of the Third United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea is applicable to the colony of Gibraltar, which is subject to a process of decolonization
@ 15 conqueror?
Britain defeats spain. It always has . Really? Let me think...Battle of Cartagena de Indias (1751) , biggest defeat on history for the british navy, by whom? Admiral Blas de Lezo , a spanish .... clearly I am no match for yuor level of ignorance.
Spanish Mole seems a lot like our old mate, Aussie Sunshine.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can it really be you, Spanish Mole?
@2 LEPRecon,
You are probably right.
But it does get annoying & knowing the latins, a good smack in the face with a wet fish, would soon dampen their stupidities.
Hahahaha
Apr 17th, 2014 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did anyone read the article in the Spanish Mercopress about Morocco's renewed interest in Spain's territories in Africa?
Seems Spain continual highlighting of Gibraltar's supposedly anachronistic existence has been heard where they wish it wasn't.
And where is Still Boring A_Voice? It's mid-morning in the UK.
@ 26 Isolde.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0wrong sorry. 100% Asture. I like the idea about the fish , I'll ask my cousing Manuel to serve it to Cameron in Lanzagrotte.
Lanzagrotte!!!
Apr 17th, 2014 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Grotty! Does that sound right?
Bahahahahahaha
How about LANZAROTE.
Funny that he didn't even ask about who Aussie Sunshine was.
29
Apr 17th, 2014 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0OMG......Skip looking stupid again......
Lanza...Grotty.......= Dump.....Lanzagrotte!!
Everyone knows LANZAROTE. is a popular destination for the English...peasants...
Lanzagrotte.....do you get it it....now....stupid boy.....
Well of course it's Lanzagrotte. It is in Spain so I'm guessing it would be grotty. And poor Spanish Mole's cousin works there as a waiter. Perhaps it would be less grotty if there were less Spaniards? Or maybe if Manuel left. But then again considering the unemployment level in Spain, he might be Spanish ,ole's only source of income.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lucky for all those ENGLISH PEASANTS spending their money there. Bahahahahahaha own goal again.
Interesting how much time and effort you put in to disproving where some people live in the US and Scotland but when a supposed Spaniard ones up with an anglicised play on words like that it doesn't even ring false to you.
Or the fact that he didn't even question what or who Aussie Sunshine was.
Your selective amnesia and attention-span is white comical. And getting worse.
So. Now that we have that out of the way and you have responded when I called for you; I see you still won't comment on the article. But just keep chasing around after me in an excruciatingly cringe-worthy attempt to gain the upper hand.
I'm still waiting for you to show me where you made me look stupid the FIRST time let alone this supposed SECOND time that just happened.
So care to revise your claim that you last commented on an article FOURTEEN DAYS ago when I shows it was SEVEN?
No?
Well that article is still open for comment. What are you waiting for?
A comeback? Guess you'll have to wait a while longer to think up one because none seems forthcoming so far.
Here's an easy link for you to follow! Will he or won't guys. The audience holds its breath to see if Still Boring A_Voice has finally thought up a comeback after EIGHT DAYS.
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/04/10/mas-defies-madrid-catalonia-will-go-ahead-with-the-independence-referendum#comments
Drum roll please.......
31
Apr 17th, 2014 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0you are always after the fact Skip....
Always trying to recover after someone has made a fool of you....
The problem is the subtlety ...you are a coarse Aussie and not British.....;-)
Spanish Mole was using every cliche in the book.....
...he doesn't have a cousin....Spanish waiter Manuel......
David Cameron wouldn't be seen dead going on holiday to Lanzagrotty....Lanzarote..
...It would be a put down to imply he would....
Only Peasants go to the original package holiday boom town Lanzarote....
are we there yet...are we there yet.....Stupid Boy.....
PMSL.....at you again....
ps...keep it short you are boring everyone again....how many different people have told you this before......
@32 A_Voice,
Apr 17th, 2014 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0You sound guilty(of what?), settle down.
Does Anglotino upset your fragile ego too much?
Who cares about some grotty dump in Spain?
The original thread was about stopping the Spanoles from “straying” into Gibraltar's waters.
May l suggest a minefield?
Boum! Oops, who put that there?
But it wouldn't have happened if you stayed on your own side of the fence. lol!
Isolde.....You know fine well where I'm coming from.....;-))))
Apr 17th, 2014 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spanish waiter...Manuel.....Lanzagrotty...
Spanish Mole was taking the piss and poor Skippy never got it.....
If he was a Brit...he would.....
Oh dear oh dear....
Give it up Skip while you're still behind....
@31 Anglotino
Apr 17th, 2014 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sorry to put you on the spot, the problem is sarcasm falls of my mouth like illiteracy falls out of yours . Let me guess, family on the dole?
@34 A_voice
You Nailed it
@34 Isolde.
Minefield ? hmmm ,I can provide you some armbands for the mines....
Family on the dole?
Apr 17th, 2014 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahahahaha do you really wanna compare unemployment rates between Australia and Spain?
Still Boring A_Voice
I thought you lived in the UK.
“David Cameron wouldn't be seen dead going on holiday to Lanzagrotty....Lanzarote..”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
isolde
Apr 17th, 2014 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The original thread was about stopping the Spanoles from “straying” into Gibraltar's waters.”
gibraltar waters?
the treaty of utrecht, the one the english govt uses as their main excuse to occupy spanish territoire does not say a word about granting those waters.
“The Treaty of Utrecht did not specify territorial waters as the concept was not prevalent at the time”
36
Apr 17th, 2014 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Skip...nobody lives in the UK.....I exist in the UK part time....
I was educated in England.....
You have two options....keep contributing to this thread and have your ignorance exposed.....
or....
Slink off to another thread and engage folk less familiar with sarcasm and less likely to make a sucker of you......
....either way it's been entertaining......
................Thanks..........;-)
Still Boring A_Voice
Apr 17th, 2014 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you run away from yet another thread?
Like this one:
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/04/10/mas-defies-madrid-catalonia-will-go-ahead-with-the-independence-referendum#comments
So now you don't live in the UK? Wow you change countries as quick as Stevie. You guys should really market this teleportation device you use.
I see that you have conveniently (as per usual) ignored yet another claim:
“David Cameron wouldn't be seen dead going on holiday to Lanzagrotty....Lanzarote..”
By now you have surely jumped on Google and seem that Cameron was indeed seen there.... LAST WEEK.
LikeNostrils you inhabit an imaginary world where you seem to keep one-upping me. You clearly can't bring yourself to reply on the thread mentioned above. Because after SEVEN DAYS....... oops I mean FOURTEEN DAYS.... you still don't have a comeback.
You vainly attempt to deflect but so far on this thread you have:
* turned 7 days in 14 days
* failed to realised David Cameron was recently in Lanzarote
* claimed NOBODY lives in the UK - sh!t 65 million people just disappeared.
I can do this for days. I'm sure it has been entertaining for you. Because your comebacks have been woefully lacking in your usual abilities. So I'm glad you are getting something out if this.
So now you “exist in the UK part time” and still fail to realise where David Cameron has been. What, you only read this news site? As your true personality has slowly shown itself on here, your location has become more secretive. Why does that keep happening to so many on here?
Wherever it is must be one hell of an interesting place; where 7 days feels like 14 and no outside news penetrates.
Sorry if my post was too long; suck it up I guess. You still keep reading them because you have to have the last word.
The last word except on this thread:
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/04/10/mas-defies-madrid-catalonia-will-go-ahead-with-the-independence-referendum#comments
Seems I had the last word there.
@ 25 Spanish Mole: Then S pain will have to take its case to the ICJ or PCA because one territorial waters cannot be delimited unilaterally.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0S pain refused to take up Britain's offer of going to the ICJ regarding sovereignty of Gibraltar, including the Bay of Gibraltar in 1969. What was a 'weak' Spanish case is now 'pathetically weak.'
Even Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo said that 'he wasn't sure about success of legal challenge of Gibraltar's waters' quoted in MercoPress Dec 13 2013.
We are confident of UK sovereignty over British Gibraltar territorial waters ,
Apr 17th, 2014 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that's all we ever seem to say, but never keen or confident to enforce ones ,
still,
as long as the unmighty EU turns a blind eye, and is anti British, rights,
and we have a pro loving EU bought and sold government, nothing will change,
but sooner or later someone will get hurt, the bullshit will stop, and things will take a change for the worse,
time will prove right or wrong..
...talk to the hand Skip....
Apr 17th, 2014 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...you don't even understand British politics....
Cameron roughing it on his budget holiday to Lanzagrotty.....a man of the people....
For goodness sake he even flew on budget Ryanair...even I don't fly Ryanair...;-)
Here's an insight....
“Cameron appears to believe that for all the media mockery of his holidays and awkward chillaxing, a coffee break in Lanzarote is the best image for him to project. Is he colossally arrogant and naive, or is there something here that his critics are missing?”
..if you were a Brit you would see the joke....public school toff...Ryanair....Lanzagrotty.....whatever next...snacking on jellied Eels...
Again subtlety is not your strong point...... the difference between “live” and “exist”...straight over your head.....as usual...
My bad on the 7 days...I merely glanced at the link you posted and unfortunately Merco has the stupid Yankee habit of of putting the date backwards....the month before the day...I only caught the 04.....
Mercopress...when you say comments in English...you might want to add American English....as most of your spelling are not standard English and now using Yankee dates....
Day...month,,,year...
...I can keep this up forever......
Poor Skip so much to prove and failing miserably.....
TMT (too much testosterone)on this thread.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can we stay on track?
And paullie-boy, maybe a minefield is not such a good idea.
Confiscation of the offending boats might have to do.
And we could give the Guardia Civil boats to Morocco as a gift!
That would upset the Spanoles. lol!
Aha so David Cameron would be seen in Lanzarote.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok there's that one down. Seems you did read some news now and caught up. If I was a Brit? Bahahahaha well not even you are a Brit! At least I'm proud of my nationality and don't feel it detracts from what I say.
“My bad on the 7 days...I merely glanced at the link you posted and unfortunately Merco has the stupid Yankee habit of of putting the date backwards....the month before the day...I only caught the 04.....”
So you saw: “http://en.mercopress.com/2014/04/10/....” and only saw the 04 and totally missed the 10. It must have been one hell of a quick glance to have missed the OCTOBER. That is..... I'm guessing..... what you would therefore interpret the 10 as the month.
But you didn't? Wow I told you earlier you were slipping.
Your eagle-eyes have supposedly picked up imagery Americanisms in my postings on more than one occasion and supposedly identical usage of syntax and words as others but your eye could managed to glance at a “04” and ignore the “/10” next to it?
That's your comeback
Where is the usual pedantic Still Boring A_Voice?
So let's break this down.
2014/04/10 is not US. It is quite common around the world including the UK and Australia for creating a sortable date. For someone who has been on this site for so long, it is quite laughable that you would think otherwise.
Indeed considering you only now live part-time in the UK, you should be more familiar with the international date standard of YYYYMMDD.
Seems everyone else is up with this 25 year old standard except for you.
Anyway the article is still open:
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/04/10/....”
And I have no doubt you could keep this up forever. I've never seen anyone scramble as much as you to cover so many mistake in such a short period of time.
You keep scrambling mate. Fight the good fight.
...are you still here Skip....thought you would have slunk off by now....
Apr 17th, 2014 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and stop talking nonsense...the standard is dd..mm...yy....look in your time preferences on your laptop......
I don't think you have ever been to Europe....your wannabe association of Britishness is all Google....
Also I don't think you have a job either...you spend too much time on here....you are a dreamer college boy with experience of nothing.....
You know nothing of the UK ...of the Cameron joke....
Like I said ,Cameron wouldn't be seen dead in Lanzagrotty....it's a joke in the UK as seen by the quote.....
.....you just want to be apart of the Anglo-sphere don't you Skip...and feel you belong.....
I've got to be careful what I say to you now as I've realised most of it goes above your head.....
Spanish Mole highlighted that particular failing of yours.....
Isolde.....Testosterone...and Anglotino in the same sentence....you are surely having a larff.....;-))))
....now if you had said Tantrum and Anglotino in the same sentence...
43
Apr 17th, 2014 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0isolda
it seems the only ones who are upset are the llanitos and their english bosses.
guess being a squatter is not the best idea if you want a quiet life
@36 Anglotino
Apr 18th, 2014 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Australian? Gosh ,I understand now ! Good Friday advice mate, Stupidity is also a gift from God but please ,please don't misuse it , Entiende ? si?
@40 Brit Bob (#)
I have to agree on this with you. However don’t forget in 1969 we had a dictatorship regime and a very unstable political situation inside the country. Such as concession ,It would have weakened even more the Government position and hence creating more internal disturbances. Basically, I understand our government position on those days. Now the situation is different and the situation has evolutionated. I don’t personally believe Gibraltar would go back to Spain In the future, it is far too important from an strategic and economical point of view for the UK. Any agreement should include talks between the Spanish and the British Government direct. The llanitos have nothing to say/ to do in here
43 lsolde (#)
Just a comment, Do you know why the Guardia Civil to patrol that area ? To prevent crime. Mainly drug and tobacco smuggling which a high number is linked to llanitos. Funny enough the Gibraltar Defence Police and the Royal Gibraltar police keep asking us for help. Spain and UK always have had excellent relationships ( almost 1 million of British live permanently in Spain and we have millions of visitors from UK every year) , the problem is Mr PICHARDO and our Government. Mr PICHARDO suffers the small man syndrome and Mr Rajoy , well I have not enough characters
Still Boring A_Voice
Apr 18th, 2014 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why would I slink off?
You think I only want to be part of the anglosphere. Says the guy that claims to live in the UK or the US. Who isn't living in their native country?
So I'm guessing you are back to claiming I'm not Australian.
If there is a wannabe Anglo on here it is Spanish Mole. A supposedly Spaniard who is fluent enough in English to use a play on words and knows enough of English culture to use Fawlty Tower references.
As for date standard I advise you get up to date on dates to to speak. DDMMYYYY is indeed the common standard in Australia. However you will note I said:
“2014/04/10 is not US. It is quite common around the world including the UK and Australia for creating a sortable date.”
You create thousands of words to try to hide the fact that you were caught out reading a date. Go for it. Another 10 posts or 20 posts. Keep deflecting. Perhaps we'll talk about where I'm from instead. But you couldn't read a date.
Good old pedantic A_Voice who keeps trying to highlight where I went wrong with reams of minute analysis; COULDN'T READ A DATE.
Or even know that Cameron had been to Lanzarote. Supposedly I've never been to Britain and now am not even in the anglosphere but even I knew that.
Instagram.com/anglotino
Feel free to tell me what you what photographed. Easy enough to prove I'm here in Melbourne. I've never cared where you are, just always taken your word for it. Mostly seems to be in the Anglosphere.
@Spanish Mole.
Yep good old Oz. Tone down that jealousy mate. You can visit anytime you like. Even immigrate if you want to work and own your own home.
@48 anglotino.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0A supposedly Spaniard , well, what can Isay? It must be hard to be constantly beaten for someone using his second language, it is ok , nothing to be ashamed off .You would be surprised what a Master Degree from Cardiff Uni can do even for non British people .
Clearly I am no match for your level of ignorance .
Good try Spanish Mole,
Apr 18th, 2014 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0But that is NOT the reason that Guardia Civil boats infringe Gibraltar waters.
(They are the same as Argentine aircraft testing Falklands prepardness) by provoking the Gibraltarians.
lts not your waters, it was before 1704(think l've got the date right), but its not now.
You have no business here, so depart before your boats get confiscated & sold.
(or given to Morocco, ha ha).
@50 Isolde
Apr 18th, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0So what are the reasons? Spain testing the response of Pichardo’s banana boats? Hmm not sure , I’ll ask Cameron for his opinion when visiting our Feria de Abril next month.
48
Apr 18th, 2014 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Course I believe you are from a former British Penal Colony....a clue would be calling you Skippy....Doh!
I see you are back peddling on the date format....;-))..been Googling again...
The only experience I have had of a nation that puts the month before the day is the Yanks....if there is another country, let me know as I can't be bothered Googling...9/11...being a classic example...
How did you get the Fawlty Towers....let me guess you searched Waiter Manuel from my post.....;-)
As for Spanish Mole's familiarity with Britain....it doesn't take a genius to work it out.....
Think of his name Skip...would there be any point of having a “Spanish” Mole in Spain....?
I automatically assumed he had spent time in the UK or lived in the UK....
You really are slow Skip.....must be the Aussie in you....
..and being an Aussie you will never understand why a certain class of Brit wouldn't be seen dead in Lanzarote......or fly Ryanair...it's a joke....
What next a weekend in Blackpool or Torquay.....better still Cameron at Butlins Bognor Regis or Skegness......;-)))
Spanish Mole
Apr 18th, 2014 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I never said anything about your English other than you speak it.
Stop making stuff up and stick to the facts.
Now imagine what your masters could do for you in a country that actually works properly, isn't in recession, doesn't need austerity, isn't crippled by debt and a corrupt government that deflects its docile population with Gibraltar.
But congrats on being yet another poster in here who chose good old Britain to get ahead in life. You pretty much prove what many on here believe.
Spanish mole.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British Gibraltar has territorial waters. As such, and under UNCLOS they cannot be delimited unilaterally. Spain would have to seek an agreement or take the matter to arbitration and state 'why it is necessary to delimit Gibraltar's territorial waters.'
Four UN ICJ and one ICJ judgment all confirm that the right to self-determination IS applicable to ALL non-self-governing territories. There are no exceptions to this. Therefore, any bilateral talks concerning Gibraltar are out of the question.
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Apr 18th, 2014 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0imbecile # 55
Apr 18th, 2014 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0fat teenager with a massive inferiority complex, playing the “brave guy” behind the computer.
pathetic and laughable at the same time.
the typical keyboard warrior.
you must shit your pants everytime you see a fly.
now, go to play your computer wargames, you piece of crap.
55
Apr 18th, 2014 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have I got you foaming at the mouth or what...?
Hahaha...Conqueror....that's what I said..“do you have anything to declare...follow me and bend over...”
No wonder you have an obsession with arses.....you've been in plenty....
BTW....those aren't real guns you play with on the PC....you can't really shoot me with a virtual gun...;-)))
The Spanish have no more right to enter British waters, then we do entering Spanish waters, we know Spain is using this Gibraltar [thing] as an excuse to problems at home,
Apr 18th, 2014 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the fact is, Spain will just have to accept the status quo,
until and if the time ever comes for things to change,
this will be up to the Gibraltarian people, to decide their own future..
Thank you Briton for getting us back on track & bringing a bit of sanity, after all the garbage from the posters just before you.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You deserve a pint of scrumpy! lol.
Peace.
Pigardo is a trouble maker he likes to compound problems and escalate a delicate situation....
Apr 18th, 2014 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you are up to your neck in a pool of shit...it's best not to make waves.....
And yet Picardo is the elected representative of Gibraltar. And Spain will only have him to deal with for another 2 years. So I guess they better suck it up.
Apr 19th, 2014 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems he can do what he wants within Gibraltar and it is the Spanish that have to deal with it along with the corruption within their government they are vainly trying to deflect.
600 incursions and nothing to show for it.
Long border queues and nothing to show for it.
Spain has pushed Gibraltar so far from its grasp that its enough to make a Spanish patriot cry. They're not even powerful enough to try the Crimea manoeuvre.
Caruana was in the job for 15 years. I bet Spain now wish it had been longer.
26 We´re mates now!! are we?? well well!! and by the way “ country girl”..Spanish mole is not me!!
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Apr 19th, 2014 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 062
Apr 19th, 2014 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the keyboard warrior strikes again...
scary....
http://www.allfancydress.com/images/products/zoom/Little-Britain-Daffyd-Wig.jpg
*64 Is that you dressed up allfancydressed!? what a disappointment!! LOL
Apr 19th, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Best bit is that they now actually want to join Schengen after all the queuing, and Spain is probably going to end up leveraging them for the honor of eliminating their own border. (Id guess removal of those concrete blocks might be the pay off) Effectively making the place yet even more and more indistinguishable.
Apr 19th, 2014 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that border comes down you have de facto shared sovereignty.
The majority money being spent will be euro, the majority language will be Spanish, more and more Gibraltarians will live on the Spanish side, and Spanish on the Gib side. There'll be no border, it'll be the English equivalent of a China-town...the English town of LaLinea. It'll then be only a concept on paper and will last maybe a decade.
65
Apr 19th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sorry lol
it was not for you, it was for # 63
62
Apr 19th, 2014 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wait a minute..... “aussie sunshine” log in name was like this.....not :aussiesunshinee”
Impostor alert......
@ 68 Think
Apr 19th, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Impostor alert......” Well really!
@ 59
Apr 19th, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thanks,
@ 66
an interesting point.
@66 Vestige
Apr 20th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes yes.
Bit still Gibraltar will be part of the UK and not part of Spain.
You keep trying to convince yourself that language, currency and immigration will suddenly resolve into some sort of “de facto shared sovereignty”.
It won't. No more than Luxembourg has suddenly been absorbed by Germany or Switzerland has been split between 3 different countries with some sort of shared sovereignty.
Gibraltar is happy to have all the things you listed.
You think that it will become indistinguishable from other parts of Spain. But it will be easily distinguished by the fact that it is not ruled from Madrid.
As for Spain requesting or demanding the removal of the concrete blocks for joining Schengen... LOL I think you need to do some research.
Actually so far there doesn't seem any reason for Gibraltar to do anything about those concrete blocks other than add more when they desire.
600 incursions hasn't moved a single concrete block.
@ 71 Anglotino
Apr 20th, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am waiting for the day when A_Voice aka The Lunatic of Chew Butt walks on the waters and lectures the Gibraltarians on how much better it will be if they “share” sovereignty.
With a bit of luck all they will hear is Glug, Glug, Glug.
:o)
66 Vestige. Your misunderstanding of the actual situation in Gibraltar is somewhat amusing. Trust me if you've ever been to Gibraltar you would have no trouble distinguishing between which parts are Gibraltar and which parts are La Linea. A big clue is the large number of Spanish beggars milling about at the border bus station. Stepping into La Linea is like stepping into the worst of the third world (possibly Argentina :-) ). Also your fantasy wish fulfillment about the Gibraltarians wanting to be Spanish just isn't going to happen they're just not too keen on giving up being British and joining up with a second best civilisation. I mean really given a choice British or Spanish what do you expect them to choose? Also if you ever get the opportunity to tell a Gibraltarian to his face that in fact Spain has “defacto sovereignty” of Gibraltar could you do us a favour and film it and post it to You Tube I could use a good laugh.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0guess the future of gibraltar is pretty somber.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0once the uk leaves the eu, the gate will be closed.
and taking in account the bad reputation gibraltar has in general, but most of all as a tourist destination, things will be even worse than today.
“Gibraltar
This ”British Overseas Territory“ on the tip of the Iberian Peninsula isn't quite British and it's not quite Spanish, either. You might say it's the worst of both. The 2.3-square-mile territory packs in a ton of tourists and charges them—”gouges“ might be a better word—accordingly. If you're planning on driving there, you'll have long waits to cross the border, and once you've arrived, there's not much to see besides a boring rock, some fake British pubs, and gaggles of wild macaque monkeys that like to prey on tourists.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2014/04/17/disappointing-overrated-destinations/7782251/
74,
Apr 20th, 2014 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0despite that,
in this day and age of freedom and democracy, they do have a right to choose,
and they have legally exercised that right,
I just see Spain as using Gibraltar as a diversion to their own problems,
the problem with this approach is that others get hurt, as all decisions have consequences,, and Spain knows full well the agreements, and must accept the decision of Gibraltar, other wise being a member of NATO and the EU makes a mockery of both, does it not, and thus also opens the door to separatist in Spain itself, and its overseas land, so in fact, Spain could well end up losing the lot, just to spite the brits, rather immature way of doing things,.
just a thought.
74. Shit article and totally unfair.Ever been to Gibraltar? Didn't think so. It's far nicer than the tatty bit of southern Spain I was staying in at the time. It's probably best that you know what your talking about before you offer an opinion. Reposting a second rate article from some bimbo American who seems to specialise in writing articles that begin with Top Ten “Something or Other” hardly lends you credibility. Gibraltar is actually incredibly more affluent than the surrounding parts of Spain. I can see why the Spanish are jealous. GDP per capita for Gibraltar = $64,478, GDP per Capita for Spain = $29,195.38. Nice shops, nice restaurants and a lovely marina. The only downside is you have to look at ugly Algeciras from across the bay.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0these dimwits dare to compare sotogrande, for instance, with gibraltar?
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
just the santa maría polo club or the ayala polo club are bigger than that piece of rock.
not to mention that they are 1 million times more beautiful.
so in gibraltar you can watch a piece of rock with a bunch of monkeys, while in southern spain you have great beaches, beautiful women (not those fatty hairy english wannabe examples), great restaurants and hotels, you can play golf in the san roque club or the real club de golf, or play polo in the best polo fields worldwide, after the argentinians, of course, but these dimwits think the piece of rock is better.
lol.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Paul.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Gibraltarians obviously like Gibraltar & thats all that matters.
l don't think that they really care what the Spanish think of them, the same way as we do not care what the Argentines think of us.
As a matter of fact, we do not even care that we don't care!
(thanks from the “Never Ending Story”)! lol
paulcedron
Apr 21st, 2014 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“guess the future of gibraltar is pretty somber”
Why?
It still has higher growth, higher standard of living, lower inflation, lower crime, lower corruption and lower unemployment than Spain.
Most Spanish would be ecstatic to be that somber.
“once the uk leaves the eu, the gate will be closed”
Why?
You assume that Gibraltar will also leave the EU. That is not a given. Gibraltar could do what Spain has always feared and declare independence. Or...
The UK could still have a close relationship with the EU and Gibraltar could even still join the Schengen zone. After all Norway, Iceland and Switzerland aren't in the EU and it doesn't seem to stop them. Also they are in the Schengen area and have free movement.
So the gate stays firmly OPEN.
'taking in account the bad reputation gibraltar has in general, but most of all as a tourist destination, things will be even worse than today.”
Why?
You seem to have this magically ability to predict the future and all based on no actual facts. With 12 million visitors per year there will always be unhappy tourists. However the demise of Gibraltar and the wrecking of its economy is continually predicted and never happens. Indeed the only economy that has been wrecked is Spain's.
600 incursions.
0 results.
71 - “Bit still Gibraltar will be part of the UK and not part of Spain”.
Apr 21st, 2014 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0And tell me, for how much longer for in a realistic estimate.
Of course about now theres the figure 300 popping into several simplistic brains out there.
Buuut I'm not going to give it that long. Those were very different times, of sail boats, civil wars, world wars, dictators, political marriages, olde style European politics and very very small towns. Prussia bargaining with the Belgian king to attack some empire etc.
Gibraltar slipped the net more than once, only because of diplomacy - not going to work in modern EU times.
Another 100 years perhaps - difficult to say. Can you honestly say if token bets were being taken taken today that you'd put some money on the place being British by then.
73 -
“Also if you ever get the opportunity to tell a Gibraltarian to his face that in fact Spain has “defacto sovereignty” of Gibraltar could you do us a favour and film it and post it to You Tube I could use a good laugh.”
- Will do, I'll tell Snr Marquez (in Spanish), or whatever name he inherited from his Spanish grandparents from Algeciras, that he's in fact a closet Spaniard.
I'll tell him that Spain pretty much dictates half his living conditions already - such as travel, access to goods, labor market, and local economic conditions.
If theres no border by then I'll explain this to him as we walk over an imaginary line, I'll point at houses and buildings and explain inevitability, time, change, population spread and probability to him.
(And how chances are his kids will be working in the greater Algeciras area)
We'll get a pint in a token English theme pub and pay in euros.
Ill come back 10 years later and invite him for another, but he'll explain its gone now. It went soon after the Gibraltarians copped themselves on, did the ethical thing and shared sovereignty of yet another little piece of stolen ... nay ... “surrendered” land with the country it was ... surrendered ... from.
79
Apr 21st, 2014 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“lower crime, lower corruption”
in gibraltar?
yeah, right...
tax haven:
“...the number of businesses registered on The Rock is thought to be more than 30,000, which is the number of people who live in the territory.”
smugglers paradise:
“Tobacco seizures on the border between Spain and Gibraltar have risen 40 percent in 2013”
“Other contraband that has passed through Gibraltar into Spain includes heroin and cocaine.”
“The smuggling problem remains to the present day and one that Stockey of Nottingham University calls ”a drain on Spanish resources“.”
gibraltar is a corrupt “state” by definition.
even british historians and researchers says that.
but it seems you, who have not even finished high school, disagree.
weird.
Pablo-o-o...
Apr 21st, 2014 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0links please...
@Vestige
Apr 21st, 2014 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, so now Spain will get sovereignty at some distant future. Yes because that's how it works. I mean look at Ireland... oops bad example.
“Another 100 years perhaps - difficult to say. Can you honestly say if token bets were being taken taken today that you'd put some money on the place being British by then.”
No I would bet that Gibraltar was not British by then.
It'll be independent.
@paulcedron
That was your comeback for crime and corruption.
You didn't (as per usual) prove anything.
Where's the corruption? If stuff is being smuggled INTO Spain then that should surely count as crime there too.
According to the EU and OECD, Gibraltar isn't a tax haven. Just more Spanish propaganda that you have swallowed whole.
Anyway you said Gibraltar's future was pretty somber.
I repeat that it still has higher growth, higher standard of living, lower inflation, lower crime, lower corruption and lower unemployment than Spain.
Most Spaniards would love the Gibraltan version of somber instead of their own.
80. Vestige. Again you fall into the trap of perceiving the world as you'd like it to be and not how it actually is. It's my experience it's always better to get some facts first before spurting out an opinion. You sound like a good marxist what with your pre determinist view of history and all. Hey lets not bother with learning anything about anything when the future is obviously going to result with Gibraltar being reincorporated into Spain. I mean it has to right? It's right next to Spain they're both in the EU. Looks inevitable to me.
Apr 21st, 2014 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately back in the real world where there are actual realities and not fantasies things aren't quite so straightforward.
The reason that Gibraltar wants to remain British is not because Britain itself wants this it's because the Gibraltarians themselves want it...and boy do they want it. The Gibraltarians are far more patriotic than the British. Whenever referendums are made in Gibraltar to determine nationality the result is in the high 90% to remain British. There is a distinctively different culture in Gibraltar than there is in Spain. They feel British they don't feel Spanish. Sorry but that's just how it is. Trust me if you'd ever visited Gibraltar you would know this.
And as for your assertion that Spain will just close the border if the UK leave the EU well I agree Spain is perfectly entitled to do that but unfortunately for you the greater UK would also be entitled to do the same to the rest of Spain. If Spain wants to play silly buggers then so can we...the only difference is we have greater resources and more cards to play.
...and another thing that's annoyed me about the USA Today article there weren't fake British pubs (a la Disney corporation) in Gibraltar there's just British pubs.Locally owned and no different from any of the pubs you might see in the UK. The authors viewpoint is somewhat myopic.
83
Apr 21st, 2014 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0”You didn't (as per usual) prove anything. ”
and what did you prove?
less than nothing then?
read the links / books / articles before opining
one is from an american newspaper.
the other is from the university of nottingham
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/splas/staff/gareth.stockey
nobody would love the gibraltarian version of anything.
it is just a colony of parasites
Yes but it is BRITISH colony of parasites.
Apr 21st, 2014 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And not SPANISH.
And that isn't going to change.
It's mere existence is enough to drive you into a frenzy (along with those islets).
You can list every single denigrating thing about both those locations but you can't, whatever you do, say that they are part of either Spain or Argentina.
And that is how the people that live there want it.
And this is not how the governments of Spain and Argentina want it.
“read the links / books / articles before opining”
What links? So far you have posted a one paragraph OPINION. And that's it.
81 Pablo niño
Apr 21st, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0C'mon kid, got any links for your quotes??
They mean nothing without the source, the context, the references, the complete article.
We can't even verify that you quoted the articles accurately, honestly, and verbatim.
86
Apr 21st, 2014 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What links? So far you have posted a one paragraph OPINION. And that's it.”
buy the books, you stingy anglotino.
or go to a library.
it wont hurt you reading a book
GROCOTT, C. and STOCKEY, G., 2012. Gibraltar: a modern History University of Wales Press.
STOCKEY, G., 2009. Gibraltar: a dagger in the spine of Spain? Sussex Academic Press.
81
granpa troy
i already taught you how to get the source from a phrase.
it is not rocket science.
next lesson will not be free, you scatterbrain.
@ 88 The idiot without his wheelbarrow
Apr 21st, 2014 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you should watch the video below with Stockey: he mentions people like you at 08.10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH4gqCp_eUg
So it was the fascist Franco who started all the trouble and tried to commit all subsequent Spanish governments to this nonsense. Just like the bastard Peron whose legacy is doing the same in The Dark Country.
BTW YOU haven’t read one of Stockey’s books have you? That’s absolutely clear because he thinks that Spain is going back to the Franco era and will be stuck there just like The Dark Country is stuck with Peron.
Keep up the good work of misunderstand the facts and making yourself look an even bigger prat than we all thought possible.
88
Apr 21st, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is a backward third world slum”
It's true, Pablo niño,
look it up on the Internet yourself - it's all there.
SPAIN ??
Apr 21st, 2014 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they never came-
they never conquered-
they never learned-
And left empty handed-
Spain-
Welcome to never never land...lol
89
Apr 21st, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0imbecile toilet cleaner
the troubles started a lot before franco or perón took charge, you imbecile.
while britain bases all its arguments in the treaty of utrecht to illegaly occupy gibraltar, the same fucking treaty does not say a word about conceding the waters to them.
more or less the same as in malvinas, with the british increasingly occupying more argentinian territorial waters.
but it is not a surprise with these british squatters, you have them in north ireland, chagos and the list goes on.
only you, imbecile toilet cleaner, cannot realize it.
92 paulcedron
Apr 21st, 2014 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“....... britain bases all its arguments in the treaty of utrecht to illegaly occupy gibraltar”
ha, ha, ha!!!!!!! What ChrisR says at 89 is true so I will repeat it:-
“Keep up the good work of misunderstand the facts and making yourself look an even bigger prat than we all thought possible.”
Clown
@92 paulcedon
Apr 21st, 2014 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Treaty of Utrecht didn't mention Spanish waters either.
But the 1907 Cartagena Agreement DID.
Para 3 'the maintenance of the territorial status quo and in the pursuance of the policy they are firmly resolved to ''preserve intact'' the right of the British Crown over its ''insular'' and ''maritime'' possessions in those regions.
Battleships in the harbour, in the Bay of Gibraltar - Okay in 1907.
Treaty of Utrecht to illegally occupy Gibraltar
Apr 21st, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If this is so,
Then why did Spain sign it,
And why don’t Spain then say to the illegal brits to annul the treaty and give Gibraltar back,
Ooppps, worth a try perhaps,
Gibraltar could go back and refer to the
Hattersley Memorandum
Which stated ruling out the possibility of integration of Gibraltar with the United Kingdom.
On the grounds of “avoid innovations which might result in prolongation of the frontier restrictions imposed by Spain”.[2] The memorandum ruled out the option of integration of Gibraltar with the United Kingdom. 1976,
Considering the disgusting way in which the Spanish have been treating the Gibraltarians, and the constant humiliation of British evolvement,
Could not the government re-consider the integration with the united kingdom and sod the consequences..
Just a thought.
.
@ 95 Briton
Apr 21st, 2014 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hattersley was a personable clown.
I had the misfortune of meeting him once and that convinced that I did not need to repeat the experience.
He was of course Labour and putting “clear thinking” in the same sentence is to provide an oxymoron, to go with the moron who made the decision.
I am hoping it will bring other Labour pillocks back to the memory, including The Welsh Pillock: Kinnockio.
I can still laugh at the jokes though.
It does of course have the Blessed Margaret doing what she did best, knocking ten colours of shit out of the Frog!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HYGlNzzq2o
Gibraltar!! Gibraltar!! it brings out the passion in people.
Apr 21st, 2014 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would Spain want to take back Gibraltar when the colony
is employing..what is it..? 10.000 Spaniards.Who would otherwise be
unemployed. And is Spain not getting Pounds in wages from all these 10.000 Spaniards who are depositing the Pounds into Spanish Banks? And are The Spanish politicians not using the offshore accounts in Gib to hide all that money that has been plundered by corrupt politicians? And has Spain not got enough headaches with The Catalans and The Basque at this moment to be opening another front with Gibraltar?? ummm??
Paulcedron
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok I went and investigated and read and have now formed a clear, firm and educated opinion....
That you are wrong!
It probably helped that I backpacked through Spain and into Gibraltar one summer.
83 - lololol
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“look at Ireland” - yes lets do just that. A perfect example.
Was colonized, now 4/5 decolonized. The remaining 1/5th with an ambiguous half republican identity, slowly withered from days of high majority British identity, costing the British tax payer billions while most Britons recognizing it should not be in the UK.
A truly screwed up job.
84 - quoting things I never said, about par for the rest of the rant. Gibraltar is destined to theme park/China-town status. Thats an inevitability, especially if the fence comes down. As for the people who feel British and want to be British ... well they can be British all they want. Who the hell wants them to be anything else. Re the pubs, interesting, made me wonder ... with a very large European economy only a stones throw away ... how many businesses, pubs, apartment blocks, etc must be Spanish owned anyway.
The British Mr Sanchez sitting in his Spanish property corporation owned apartment, speaking to his Spanish wife in Spanish, planning a trip to LaLinea to spend some of his euros on Spanish produce, when Spain permits of course, some Spanish jets fly overhead as a Spanish research vessel calmly goes about its business just off the pier. Grrr those Spaniards want to colonize us, what harm did we ever do to them he thinks to himself as the border guard waves him back.
And yet after all that colonisation, Ireland didn't become British.
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But somehow by magic Gibraltar will become Spanish.
You just made my argument you incompetent. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
...and the people of Northern Ireland consider themselves British, and wish to stay British.
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It amazes me that some people on here believe Gib can be independent of GB or Spain without knowing the history. Gib is an outpost and not a country (I know Wikipedia is not a reliable source but the info can be found), was a prize of the Austrian war of succession. Just like the Spanish Netherlands became Belgium the northern part belonged to Austria-Hungary. I forget the French city concerned but a treaty was signed that the territory can ONLY belong to Great Britain or Spain. Look how far 'New' Labour's shared sovrieghnty got after the Gib population effectively said 'over our dead bodies'
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0101
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...and the people of Northern Ireland consider themselves British, and wish to stay British.”
what “people” of northern ireland?
only the implanted population consider themselves british.
“implanted ”?
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0links please.
@ 103 'Conquest of the Desert?' (Implanted European Settlers). Lol
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 096 ChrisR
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, never voted labour,
But this united with us, that he turned down, may be worthwhile looking at again,
Spain was at it again today..
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Spanish diplomacy urges Gibraltar rock ban
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=33689
,,,,,
mmmmm
Ireland is not the blog,
Gibraltar is, and its British..
100 - Anglo finally got me. (apparently)
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oy vey !! The geezers two steps ahead of me, but hoots mon I could care less.
Be so kind as to explain to me how this argument of yours works.
For I see only the loosest of possible similarities and no real logic.
Britain colonizing Ireland in the 19th century =Spain colonizing ... per se ... Gibraltar in the 21st century.
Or something.
101 - “and the people of Northern Ireland consider themselves British” ....oooooooh bad luck old boy, but go on, try again.
105
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0” 'Conquest of the Desert?' (Implanted European Settlers). Lol!
lol what, you dimwit?
a lot of those settlers were british too.
it seems you lot are everywhere.
@paulcedron
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Implanted nonetheless and now Argentine. There are more implanted Europeans living in Patagonia than there are implanted Scots or English living in Northern Ireland.
@Vestige
Considering you extremely facile theory of Gibraltar becoming part of Spain in the future for no real reason other than proximity, natural affinities and your desire; it is hardly surprising that you still have trouble with Irish analogy.
Even after centuries of assimilation, the Irish didn't want to be part of the UK. And when they could leave, they did. Even now, they have a shared language and can easily move between each others countries and Ireland does massive amounts of trade with the UK.... and still they are independent.
“The majority money being spent will be euro, the majority language will be Spanish, more and more Gibraltarians will live on the Spanish side, and Spanish on the Gib side. There'll be no border”
Don't you see that this has already happened with Ireland and the UK and in some respects still does and STILL Ireland is independent.
Your theory doesn't hold up to close scrutiny nor to any examples in the real world.
@boufiewolf
“It amazes me that some people on here believe Gib can be independent of GB or Spain without knowing the history.”
I know the history. The Treaty of Utrecht is now superceded by the rights and responsibilities that both the UK and Spain now adhere to. The right to self-determination by the UN Charter trumps the Treaty of Utrecht.
And look up your history, plenty of “outposts” have become states. There is nothing stopping Gibraltar declaring independence.
lol .... Anglo, this is taking the loosest of similarities and predicting an identical outcome.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lets see.
Ireland's case (historic) - 19th century, a time of European infighting and xenophobia, an island, population - millions, armed rebellion, sudden removal of colonist rule.
Gibraltar (proposed) - 21st century, a time of EU integration, peninsula, population - tens of thousands, gradual integration, peaceful gradual assimilation of colonists.
Regardless of politics increasing practical integration in the Gib/Spain case wont and cant be held back, both LaLinea and Gib are growing - and Im not seeing expansive fields on one particular side. Already Gib's are increasingly expanding into LaLinea. The two towns are already economically co-dependent. Also sharing currencies and languages on both sides. Since establishment the trend for integration has only gone one way. Pointless to not share sovereignty, its an eventual inevitability in any given case, it would make life easier, they'll get a better deal the earlier they do it, it would protect against the unpredictable, increase tourism income, improve GB/Spain relations and it would be an agreeable just solution for people who live on .... surrendered.... land.
(Im guessing at this particular stage all it would take would be some official/ceremonial bs to appease Spain and disappear off Spains radar for good, 99% intact)
“Pointless to not share sovereignty”
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0That isn't anything more than wishful thinking.
Ireland is a perfect example. Using your logic there is no reason for Ireland go have its own sovereignty.
It's pointless.
It would gain so much more as part of the UK. After all, “it would make life easier”.
And why is Scotland even having a referendum? It will have all the things you claim will make Gibraltar's nationhood a moot point. Shared language, currency and even culture and economically interdependent. But seemingly moving in the opposite direction to the one propose.
There must be something you are missing.
I'll suggest to to that identity is more than language, more than culture, more than economics, more than location, more than history.
Identity involves all these things and MORE.
You keep missing the MORE in your simplistic worldview.
Your supposition doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It is based on nothing more than what you HOPE will happen. You ignore historical precedents. You ignore the existence of micro states. You ignore the evolution of national identities that have been created by the UK.
You ignore anything that doesn't support your belief. But you don't add any proof instead.
You're a good match for those Argentineans that claim the Falkland Islands will become part of Argentina wothin 25 years.
Every year it is still 25 years. Indeed it has been 25 years for at least 2 years according to one poster.
Perhaps Spain and Argentina should share sovereignty of Spain and Argentina,
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0seem fair to me, seeing as they are one and the same..
There must be something you are missing.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- Perhaps that the mentioned countries have populations in the millions, cant be driven round on a moped in 30 mins, have buckets of land to use, diversified economies, gdp's in the billions, were the colonizees rather than colonizers, have historic cultures independent of England/Spain, aren't a two minute walk from a town with twice the country's population, aren't economically dependent on their neighbors, cant be restricted in movement or have their tourism industry controlled by a single man in a cheap hat, have newspapers that dont feature the neighbors as a headline every other day, typically dont have a 25% foreign population on a consistent daily basis, have enough native workers to operate, wont economically implode if some kid somewhere develops a very good gambling app.
You fail to consider scale.
Or location.
Please tell me of any comparable micro-states.
“Identity involves all these things and MORE.” - such as ??
Demographics, time, practicality, EU politics, history, are not on the side of a single sovereignty Gibraltar.
Dont count on Spains current economic woes as some kind of support being there for much longer either.
Spanish government vessels incursions into Gibraltar waters reach 600
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0/ 900—1,300
When will it stop?
David Ludington said the activities of the Spanish state research ship and its accompanying Guardia is not only “unlawful” but were also dangerous.
Foreign Secretary Hague
Keeps saying,
We are confident of UK sovereignty over British Gibraltar territorial waters under international law
Then why is the international law not stopping Spain,
Why bother having it, if it don’t work,
Now if the boot was on the other foot, ?????
Enough said..
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Vestige
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not missing anything. Gibraltar already has a national identity.
Size doesn't matter when it comes to identity. It is why exclaves exist.
Gibraltar already has a separate identity to both Britain and Spain.
For no more than wishful thinking; you think this will get weaker and not stronger.
History and especially modern history has proven you wrong already.
And Again Spain is at it today,
Apr 24th, 2014 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0when will they be stopped.
Im sure it does have an identity, many tiny places throughout history have also had identities.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They mostly soon got assimilated.
Or were occasionally freely granted some token dukedom or principality out of good faith .... not really a future option in this case.
Gib has only slipped the net thus far throughout history thanks to olde European politics. The same means by which it was formed allowed it to survive.
The modern history shows the tiny dependent town becoming more and more like the rest of Spain.
The party is over.
116 - 'they' wont be.
Anglotino, Briton, Capt. Poppy,
Apr 25th, 2014 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just had a thought. Do you recall Voicey mentioning in an offhand fashion that he sold insurance or was doing something with insurance?
I was thinking how ironic it would be if he worked for one of the biggest Life Insurance firms in Britain, Prudential.
Company slogan, “as solid as the Rock of Gibraltar”!!
“They mostly soon got assimilated.”
Apr 25th, 2014 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0MOSTLY!
I rest my case.
Agreed
Apr 25th, 2014 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes mostly, one by one, and Gibraltar is next.
Apr 25th, 2014 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Royal Navy called in after Spanish Civil Guard boat invades British waters off coast of Gibraltar and ignores orders to leave
Apr 25th, 2014 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2613272/Royal-Navy-called-Spanish-Civil-Guard-boat-invades-British-waters-coast-Gibraltar-ignores-orders-leave.html?ITO%3D1490%26ns_mchannel%3Drss%26ns_campaign%3D1490
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Time to get serious.
Apr 25th, 2014 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is Conqueror when you need him? lol
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