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Argentina court prevents supplying Brazil with football hooligans intelligence
Notorious Argentine “barras bravas” football hooligans can travel to the World Cup without intelligence being passed on beforehand to hosts Brazil, a court has ruled. The court in Buenos Aires said that the Argentine government is not allowed to tell another country personal information about its citizens, a lawyer for the United Argentine Fans (HUA) supporters' group said on Wednesday. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBritain withholds passports of known football idiots, argy land actively exports them...what a country
Apr 17th, 2014 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina please give a standing ovation for your diplomats in Brazil.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Barras bravas, the face of Argentina. As if Argentina didn't have a bad enough reputation in Brazil already.
Oh dear!
Apr 17th, 2014 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0None of this is looking very good for anyone.
Brasil has the right to deny entry to criminals...and I think most of them are. Maybe Brasil should just deny entry to all Argentines.....
Apr 17th, 2014 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why does Brazil not ask for names of known hooligans and says to Argentina that they will not be barred entry to Brazil but that if there is trouble and they are involved the full force of Brazilian law will be exercised. In fact tell the troublemakers that they will be incacerated for a long time when they enter Brazil.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Responses number 1, 2, 3, and 5 are exactly why I now stand by my statement that you all are a bunch of racists.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. “what a country”
Britain withholds shit. Most instances of violence in World Cup history are instigated by British hooligans.
2. “Barras Bravas, the face of Argentina”.
Obviously the implication here is all Argentines are dirty and criminals.
4. “Maybe Brasil should just deny entry to all Argentines”
Clear intimation that Argentines equates a criminal, every woman and child too.
So you see, when I treat you all like the scum you people are, don't come crying “oh, why you call me racist, waah!”, “ay, why you insult my country, we're talking about Argentina, waah!”
5. “says to Argentina”
But Brazil should say nothing to Britain, the suggestion being Brazil should respect Britain but fuck Argentina.
You people are twisted. Sit down one day and reflect on how rotten you have all become inside. Just advice!
Convictions are public knowledge in civilized countries. If these known criminals have been convicted of a crime Argentina should have no trouble passing on the names of the people if Brazil asked for them.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't imagine how awful these WC games are going to be. I would never attend something like this in a 3rd world country.
Oh! Are the Barras Bravas “dirty and criminal”.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't realise. And I definitely didn't say that. Or even insinuate it.
But they will represent Argentina.
As Argentineans are not a different race to me; I find it impossible to be racist regarding them.
TTT
Apr 17th, 2014 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FFS learn a bit about how the UK tackled and stopped the football hooligans.
In fact football didn't want these thugs either, they got in the way of the football.
When, if ever, are you going to grow up?
@8
Apr 17th, 2014 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wiggling out wont work. You said “barras bravas, the face of Argentina”. PERIOD.
Be a man and own up for once to your words.
@7
No one gives a fark about the opinion of an American at a World Cup. Sorry.
@4 Have to admit that you beat me to the idea of refusing all argies entry to Brazil. But how about adding in advising the argie judge in question that, if there is any violence involving argies, an international arrest warrant will be issued for him/her on a conspiracy charge.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, can you hear that “gabbling” noise in the background?
“Barra brava is a name for organized supporter groups of football teams in Latin America. This style of supporting is very similar to European ultras. It includes standing throughout the match, singing and other enthusiastic behavior. Some barras bravas have developed reputations for hooliganism.”
Seems that there must be adequate evidence to bar barras bravas from Brazil. In the absence of data from argieland, it would seem that there are adequate grounds to bar all argies from Brazil on the grounds of public safety. There have been 249 recorded deaths as a result of argie football hooliganism.
Seems someone doesn't like “the truth”.
Calm down, lads.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regular argentines are allowed to enter in Brasil just like any other foreigner and are certainly welcome in the World Cup.
But NOT barra bravas. Brazilians already had enough of them in the Libertadores da América's matches, specially Boca Juniors fans (I'm not saying that ALL Boca's fans do this kind of things, but It happens more frequently with them).
Regarding the news:
It's something to be worried since Argentina will play in Porto Alegre, southernmost brazilian capital and near to Uruguay and the provinces of Entre Rios, Santa Fé and northern Buenos Aires, including the capital. I bet that many barra bravas and even some villeros will be there looking for problems.
I just don't understand why Argentine government is protecting those criminals. I bet it has something to do with political connections between the barras and the Ks. It's sad, because they will give again a bad name to the normal argentine fans.
Its a scheme between the Barras, the Ks and the AFA
Apr 17th, 2014 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in todays world most countries withhold passports of fat drunk offenders .. argentina ... hmmmm
Apr 17th, 2014 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's persistent comment in the RG press about how to put a lid on their footy hooliganism problem, often with reference to how the UK successfully tackled the problem. The consensus seems that there is no real political will to tackle it: the relationship between the clubs, these gangs, the police and politics is very different (and toxic) to that experienced in the 80s and 90s in the UK. All a bit of a can of worms, hence nothing is ever done.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually Nostrils I did repeat
Apr 17th, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But they will represent Argentina. ”
I still didn't say the other things you claim.
Stop beating a child and learn to read. You don't quote, you lie.
Now own up to it before you yet again runaway.
@6
Apr 17th, 2014 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can an intelligent person see a rascist comment in my post @5
Oh he is not ( intelligent ), but he @6 comes across as rascist.
@ 6 golfcronie
Apr 17th, 2014 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on, golfcronie, surely you know TTT is the BIGGEST racist on here!
You clearly struck a nerve!
Forget “him / her / it” it's just not worth it.
I am betting the 'South American' world cup will be such a shambles that serious questions will be asked about the Olympics. It will probably be moved to the US at short notice.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The asylum seems to be rationing Nostrils keyboard times more strictly these days thankfully.
Unfortunately, further proof that Argentina is not ready to join the 'First World'.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shame.
So much potential, so little. .. (insert word).
.... just so little. ...
Argentina is the most blind nation in the world.
In fact, a self-blinding nation.
perhaps, blinkered, is a better word?
Jeez! I try to understand. But they must be the most self-defeating nation on Earth.
Shame
Shame
Shame!
I am sure there are some great, intelligent kids in Argentina that want a better future.
This situation makes me so sad on their behalf.
There's a lot of competition on who's the biggest racist, Stevie Think Marcos voice yulano are all pretty racist.
Apr 17th, 2014 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it seems the problem will be not only the barras bravas but also the english hooligans.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0england is soo 3rd world in some aspects.
“WORLD CUP 2014: Armed cops and fighting fans ready to welcome England to Brazil”
“Some say only a thousand or so diehard England fans may make the long and expensive trek down to South America, which judging past campaigns seems ridiculously small.”
“But those who do go will find the country is well used to providing a force of steel to combat its own hooligan element and any sign of England's traditionally boisterous army of fans getting drunk and violent will be met head on.”
“”“it seems the problem will be not only the barras bravas but also the english hooligans.”“””
Apr 18th, 2014 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0...except that the BRITISH police will cooperate with the brazilians in identifying them before, during or after...
which, if you had even a partially functional brain, you'd realise is the point of the article....
Britina helps find and prosecute, Argentina helps hide them....
say no more.
23
Apr 18th, 2014 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“except that the BRITISH police will cooperate with the brazilians in identifying them before, during or after...”
if you had even a partially functional brain, you would know that BRITISH police is useless to identify their own criminals in their own soil.
otherwise the spanish police would not have to jail british criminals throughout spain
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-most-wanted-criminals-hiding-6304136
Own goal by Paulcedron.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0paullie, why are you so stupid?
Apr 18th, 2014 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There's a lot of competition on who's the biggest racist, Stevie Think Marcos voice yulano are all pretty racist.”
Apr 18th, 2014 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha Yankee they are all related sock puppets under instruction from the same dictator so its not surprising is it?
Ever watched Green Street/Green Street Hooligans? (2005, IMDB), Milwall/Hammers go head to head.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bit like Alex and his Droogies in A Clockwork Orange.
But seriously, in real life, British hooliganism on the terraces never ever approached the Galatasaray levels of REAL violence - knives, in particular.
Sparta Praha (Cz), Wisla Krakow (Pol), Celtic/Rangers (Sc), Galatasaray and Fenerbachce (Tu), Red Star Belgrade (Serb), and Universitario (Peru) will not provide problems of violence from their 'fan'-base because their countries did not make it to the finals.
Those that did make it, and are listed as having the most violent 'fans' are:
Dynamo Zagreb (Croatia)
Atletico Madrid, Real Madrid, and FC Barcelona (Spain)
Flamengo and Fluminese (Brasil)
Lazio and Roma (Italy)
Feyenood (The Netherlands)
PAOK (Greece)
Zenit St Petersberg (Russia)
Milwall, West Ham, West Brom and Birmingham City (England) ... though it's true to say that most of this English violence happened in the 1970s and 80s!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1035747-20-most-thuggish-fan-bases-in-world-football/page/21
But I think that the Argentina situation is much, much worse than the Bleacher Report list.
Whether it is Boca Juniors, Estudiantes or other Argentinian clubs, the REAL Argentinian problem is gangs and gang warfare that goes beyond the football.
The Barras Bravas are tied into corrupt police and political violence, when they fight for dominance of the gangs people get shot both inside and outside the football grounds.
Over 270 people have died to date - gang members and those dying from 'lost bullets'.
It will be interesting to see if the immensely 'popular' Rafael di Zeo and his 2000 members of La 12, largely associated with Boca Juniors, are banned from the World Cup by Brasil.
I have my doubts because they are so tied into the underworld of Argentinan politics.
British football hooligans fought with fists and boots - but most are now collecting their pensions.
Glad I only like my walks and runs through the canyons and forests.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The other day I walked 30 km in the Chapada Diamantina. I saw no Holligan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvxkULQhMPE
imbeciles 23-25-26
Apr 18th, 2014 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it seems that only you, group of brainwashed dimwits, cannot recognize that english hooligans are the worst and that they are free to travel to brazil or wherever they want.
at least brazilian authorities are prepared for receiving them.
“BRAZIL'S football authorities are ready for England fans this summer… the question is whether Three Lions fans are ready for the armed riot cops and rabid local football fans that await them.”
Paul,
Apr 18th, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0see #28.
Westerners are dumb as mules fat!
Apr 18th, 2014 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqW6Si2FXd4&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A
Western defeated the Muslim shield!
So there is no protection against Orientals.
Since there no other place to post this I don't want everyone to miss it:
Apr 18th, 2014 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has a long history of financial crises and its current government has gotten its fair share of criticism for its economic policies but the nation’s latest trade data has economists scratching their heads and wondering just how its number crunchers can keep a straight face.
Government trade figures from the country's official statistics agency touts a $9 billion 2013 trade surplus but analysts are challenging that claim after comparing it customs data. Some observers believe the government is misrepresenting the country’s trade balance by about as much as its reported trade surplus.
“The differences between ICA [intercambio comercial Argentino, which publishes the country's trade data] the figures and customs data are not new, but they used to be smaller, between 2 and 3 percent, while in 2013 they were around 12 and 13 percent,” Mauricio Claverí, foreign trade analyst for Argentine economic analysis firm abeceb.com, told La Nación.
My guess is the BCRA numbers are about as real as Crissy's hair color.
And you believe a 16 trillion U.S. GDP?
Apr 18th, 2014 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dumb!
@30
Apr 18th, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am glad to hear it, there is no place for violence while supporting football. Prefer Rugby myself, all agression on the field of play and dealt with approprietly.
34. Did you get dropped on your head as a child?
Apr 18th, 2014 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In my calculations USA has 7, 6 trillion.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm counting movies!
I'm sure US Treasury and The Federal Reserve would love to see your calculations.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dimwit.
35
Apr 18th, 2014 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and what can you know about rugby?
do you play rugby in the falklands?
lol
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Apr 18th, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 012 ricagp (#)
Apr 18th, 2014 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Calm down, lads.'
Thanks for causing me to investigate;
it seems there is an absence of football fans on Mercopress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgovv8jWETM&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A
Apr 18th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you are Brazilian?
@6 Troll...calling everyone a “racist” is the typical response of idiots who have run out of arguments.....when you can't take the truth, call your opponent a racist, even if the discussion has nothing to do with people's race, as in here, where the topic is HOOLIGANS...nothing to do with their beliefs or the colour of their skin.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But, on the subject of hooligans, by all means, let them all in....if the ones from Argentina, or any other country for that matter, get out of hand, I'm sure the police will be able to identify them and then enjoy cracking their skulls open...that's one thing they're good at.
Brazzo@29..“”The other day I walked 30 km in the Chapada Diamantina. I saw no Holligan“”.....how romantic....did you go with your boyfriend ?? and I'm quite sure you didn't see any “Holligans”...they don't exist...it's “Hooligan' you dimwit...did the 'translator' let you down ??
@32, ”“Westerners are dumb as mules fat!”.....how profound, and dumb...do you realize you, being a Brazilian, are considered a 'westerner' ?? as opposed to oriental cultures ??
@34,37....just some more verbal diarrhea...
@40...“só se for no teu cú, viado ” !!
Wow I'm now glad that Australia lost out on the World Cup to Qatar. Seems there is a silver lining to not paying bribes.
Apr 18th, 2014 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We'll just stick to Aussie Rules which is still a family game and doesn't seem to attract any sort of gangs.
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Apr 18th, 2014 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm impressed on how people really take Brasileiro/José Malvinista seriously.
Apr 19th, 2014 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, as a gaúcho and portoalegrense living abroad, I'm now worried by WHO will visit my hometown at the World Cup. Not normal fans or tourists but these state-sponsored thugs. Sad news for us and for normal argentine fans.
@44
Apr 19th, 2014 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually the FFA has been accused of bribing the now disgraced former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner to the tune of $462 200. The allegations, which came from a whistleblower, appeared late last month and appear to have some substance.
Personally I'm glad the $43 million bid failed. There are plenty of other countries for whom soccer is much more important and have never held the World Cup ( the Netherlands comes to mind ). Plus it would undoubtedly disrupt the footy season and well...that's just not on.
Agreed.
Apr 19th, 2014 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have better infrastructure, less violence and better immigration controls than Brazil.
And better weather than Qatar.
But thankfully none of that was enough to disrupt real footy!
Though a World Cup final at the 'G would have really shown the world I reckon.
And let me take this chance to apologise. Now that you have been on here long enough I am sure you can see how the geo-ambiguousness on here fosters paranoia. I was wrong and admit that with all the humility it entails.
Lol, yep, definitely a Victorian. I think they probably would've had the final at the ANZ stadium.
Apr 19th, 2014 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I disagree with your statement that '...the geo-ambiguousness ( clever phrase btw ) on here fosters paranoia”. I don't believe you were being honest when you chose to target me and that phrase suggests you're still not being completely honest.
Nonetheless I accept your apology in the spirit it was intended and I also apologise for the remarks I made about your sexuality. I didn't handle that with much dignity. You REALLY pissed me off lol!
@39
Apr 19th, 2014 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not many places free of mines left by Argentina but we manage.
Argentina court *prevents* supplying Brazil with football hooligans intelligence
Apr 19th, 2014 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0*This is the key word.
Knowing what we do about the Barras Bravas and La 12, if information on the members is withheld Brasil would be well within their rights to use the 'precautionary principle' to ban everybody with a Buenos Ares address - and if this includes players, then so be it.
@39 Hey, friggot, (A combination of faggot and frigger) here's a quote: A wide variety of sports are played in the Falkland Islands including: rugby union, Badminton, Clay pigeon, darts, karate, marathon, golf, field hockey, netball, yachting, squash, tennis, table tennis, volleyball, kayaking and target shooting“. Unfortunately, argie and faggot shooting has been temporarily disallowed. But there's radio. So it could be back in minutes!
Apr 19th, 2014 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51 I'm trying to figure whether there is some ”law“ that prevents an argie being shot on sight by Brazilian law enforcement. The ”argie” queue at Brazil's immigration. And the machine gun posts.
@38
Apr 19th, 2014 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you always say I don't know what it's like to live in a democracy?
Evidently you don't either, since you don't live in one. And I have been telling you that for months and months now. Another one of your universities contradicting what you claim here. And then read the 2400+ comments... not ONE disagrees.
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/the-astounding-power-of--economic-elites-190548250.html
So it seems both the universities you boast of here, and everyone in your country BUT you believe you are not a democracy. I'm sure those universities are all communist infiltrators, and everyone in the USA is a dumbwit, you are the only one who's smart.
Like with your Mendoza wine comments, your 14-1 peso comments, and your claims the USA is not declining when every report in the world indicates otherwise... Have a good afternoon Mr. Ostrich in Copacabana beach.
imbecile 52
Apr 19th, 2014 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so you have all those sports and yet you stink at all of them.
anyway you should try some and stop playing computer wargames, you halfwit.
or better, come out of the closet and dedicate yourself to ballet, you frustrated ballerina.
@54
Apr 20th, 2014 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear Paul, not thinking are you, if you took 3000 Argentinians or Brazilians or Americans, do you think out of that many you could make professional athletes. One or two maybe so not likely to be world dominance in sport.
@54 paulcedron,
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes, Paullie, but we still have the Falklands & you DONOT!
Who cares about your sportsmen?
@54 Getting difficult is it, slob? Did I get too close to home? It's well-known that certain “types” accuse others of what they do themselves. They know that what they do is WRONG. But they can't stop. Overwhelming urges to bend over and “thrust” back. Little boys and girls. Photographs. Videos. “Toys” - This won't hurt - much. Is this a combination of Tron and “Vargas”? For those who don't remember “Vargas” was/is an incontinent, benefit-scounging, argie wetback in Canada. Is there anything worse than an uneducated, emigrant, benefit-scrounging waste of space? Why can't we identify these “people” so that they can be rounded up and “dealt with”? Britain and Canada are too soft. Such individuals should be shot. Or electrocuted. Or decapitated. Or impaled.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never done ballet. I used to settle for placing an argie on the spot and then kicking its arse over the crossbar. The only problem was that it started running the moment you put it down. But it discarded everything. Difficult to hit its bollocks. Either because they had already sucked them in or because they didn't have any in the first place. 11,313 bollockless argies were captured in 1982.
By the way, “drone”, that was “real” wargames. Where REAL British soldiers took on dross and PROVED their cowardice and incompetence. Don't need a computer to “play” wargames against argies. A bayonet, an assault rifle and a British soldier. Even better, a Royal Marine. Many scores to settle. Stand on their backs after they'd been ordered to lay down their weapons? Perhaps a different method for Royal Marines. Run up, last step on the argie spine, then KICK the argie head over the horizon. Want to die, kiddie bigmouth? I can smell you crapping your pants from here. But I'd love to spill your intestines on the ground and watch you try to pick them up. No arguments, no education, no intelligence. And you wonder why you are ridiculed? Shite trying to pretend it's lamb! Back in your toilet. IF you know what one is!
Hieso
Apr 20th, 2014 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not your geo-ambiguity. You were the opposite. Indeed, an extreme opposite. The person who had been the most un-geo-ambiguous (non-geo-ambiguous??? the problem with invented words) before you was Doveroverdover. And his spectacular unmasking because Think forgot to change logins had the 'person' with the most detailed location to be nothing more than Think talking to himself.
Then his stuff up with Surfer. I don't doubt he has more. But I've now come to realise that it doesn't matter. Replying to a sockpuppet doesn't reflect badly on anyone other than the person that created it. Not that this applies to you. Just something I've now realised.
As for any comments about my sexuality, I honestly can't remember any. If you did then it is already forgotten, literally! You obviously didn't revel in it like Think and Stevie have when they let loose.
Anyway to the important stuff.
ANZ Stadium! Seriously. Heiso you know it would be the 'G. Not only does it have an extra 16,000 person capacity, but let's face it; there's no single sporting event in the world that has a larger attendance than the AFL Grand Final.
From a logistical and marketing perspective, it is hard to beat the G for access from the CBD and hotels. And also Victorian are just plain barmy for any sport. Let's face it, we're just weird.
ANZ would probably have the opener. Lots of Opera House and Harbour Bridge perspectives in the lead up to centre bounce or whatever they call it!
The one guarantee is that we wouldn't need to deploy the army beforehand. And thugs such as barras bravas would have a hell of a lot harder time trying to get through emigration.
But good luck to Brazil. I don't think it'll be the disaster some are predicting.
53. I think only people who NET pay into a gov't should be allowed to vote. I don't really agree with most of the article but I have no problem with a gov't aligning themselves and promoting businesses.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I certainly wouldn't want us to become Argentina where the unwashed, uneducated masses are paid to keep a Kleptocracy alive.
56 isolda
Apr 20th, 2014 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and who cares about the stinky islets?
not me.
for me you can keep them for 10, 20, 25, 50 years more.
do you want them for 75 years more?
it´s ok with me.
57
fatty ballerina
you'd better start to reduce that fatty belly or you will not be able to impress your beloved royal marines
@61 Honestly, do you really want to portray yourself in that way? Read back your post and see how utterly childish you look.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To return to the topic, I expect that despite the numerous problem the majority will enjoy the World Cup. Put two Brazilians together and it is a party. I meet so many on my travels and I never fail to enjoy their company. I expect there will also be stories of people mugged and trouble between rival fans; it seems to go with the territory.
I also hope that this World Cup will be dedicated to all the workers that have unnecessarily lost their lives building the stadia.
London had sixteen dead in the construction of the 2012 Olympics. Brazil has half the dead.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's cry for England.
61
Apr 20th, 2014 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I expect there will also be stories of people mugged and trouble between rival fans; it seems to go with the territory.”
luckily the world cup is not in england.
nobody wants +/- 100 deads again like in the hillsborough disaster.
it seems to go with the territory.
@62 What are you talking about?
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm saying that 16 workers died building the London 2012 facilities.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should know your country before you talk about mine.
60. Paul, you do realize the Falklands are nothing like Tigre right?
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems like you don't realize how large they really are.
@60 paulcedron,
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats what you say, but if you ARE an Argentine, then you want OUR land alright.
But l'll give you the benefit of the doubt, if you say you don't want our lslands, we'll leave it at that.
btw-our lslands do not stink.
ln fact we have some of the most bracing, freshest air in the world.
Peace
66 yankeeboy
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the delta is way bigger, richer and has a lot more inhabitants than the islets.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_del_Paran%C3%A1
@62, 65 Brazzo ...once again, and as usual, you are WRONG....first of all the subject here is the World Cup, not the Olympics....but since you've ventured off into a field you know absolutely nothing about, please note that the London 2012 Olympics was the SAFEST Olympic build ever, with a reported INJURY rate of .17 per 100,000 man hours...ZERO deaths.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 65 Brasso the Brainless Idiot
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But in addition to completing work on budget and ahead of schedule, the London Olympics construction program had no fatalities. Further, the overall accident frequency record was substantially below the U.K average.”
Pulled out of this report from ENGINEERS not lying Brazilian bastards:
https://enr.construction.com/business_management/safety_health/2012/0730-london-olympics-construction-is-safest-in-recent-times.asp
“The Olympic Delivery Authority (ODA) awarded 1,300 direct contracts, according to Gibb, and it estimates that 75,000 companies were involved in the work.”
And still ZERO deaths. Just for you, that meant NOBODY DIED.
WAF idiot!
68. Richer? You must have forgotten I lived there and I've actually been to the Falklands.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70 ChrisR,
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brassoman's motto sounds to me like:-
Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story!
l think that he's a little kid, using his mum's computer.
ChrisR, the brainless twat that calls himself Brasileiro, is a disgrace to Brazil...people who “try to” read his posts might think there are no educated Brazilians.....although, I must admit, they are in the minority...
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0again, luckily next world cup is not in england.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hillsborough_disaster_Sun.jpg
http://www.demotix.com/news/1179938/workers-memorial-day-london#media-1179908
Apr 20th, 2014 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This news shows the position of England within the OECD.
You can look a bit more about the deaths. You will be surprised.
Idiot is you!
74. You've never been to Brazil have you? Pickpockets and people pissing in public are pretty common.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are so common they don't even make the news.
Gasp
@75..Brasidiota, your 'link' refers to general work-related accidents, not to the Olympics , or the World Cup....obviously you did not understand a word of it ; but if you want to compare this kind of statistic from Brazil and from the UK, be my guest...you won't like what you see...
Apr 20th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All Englishmen are cancerous, old, ugly and sick. Doing business with them is a waste of time.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do America a favor: kill an everyday English.
76
Apr 20th, 2014 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i have been in every beach / city from florianópolis to bahia.
never had any kind of incident.
it seems you are not so lucky regarding this issue yankeeboy
@78 Brasidiota,
Apr 20th, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember when you cried because you thought I wanted you dead ? and I had to reassure you that you were mistaken ??
Well, NOW, I'm beginning to change my mind...do the world a favour - get lost !! why don't you slip into the sewer outside the door of your stinky little shack...
79. Why would someone try to pickpocket an Argentinian?
Apr 20th, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahaha
What are they going to get Pesos?
Hahahaha
OMG that is hilarious!
81
Apr 20th, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it seems you do not travel too much, do you?
you know you have to exchange your currency for the local currency to travel, don´t you?
and you know there were no probs to exchange currency here until 2012, don´t you?
well, draw your own conclusion.
@ 80
Apr 20th, 2014 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0aaarrrggghhh
The image I have of you is disgusting ...
One minute I'm going to puke .... aaa ....
The image I have of England is an ugly, lifeless place.
Please do not come to Brazil.
Please Brazil, extrude on Englishmen who are here.
Vá se ferrar Jack Via Dão!
My conclusions about you were drawn a long time ago.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me ask you a question, did you exchange all your pesos for rials when you got there and then back again when you went home?
@83 BrasIDIOTA, careful now numbnuts, the image might take up all the space in your tiny brain. And if you puke, remember to lap it up while it's still warm.
Apr 20th, 2014 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'd love to go to England but you can't afford it, can you 'pobretão' ?
And the way you used “extrude” ?....completely WRONG...AGAIN.
VSF Travecão !
So Brasileiro claims 16 workers died building the London Olympics.
Apr 21st, 2014 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0But actually none did.
He then highlights how many workplace deaths there are and how bad “England” ranks in the OECD. Cnut won't quite comparable Brazilian statistics even after 9 people have actually died in stadia construction. Thankfully a quarter of planned infrastructure isn't to be build. That surely saved more lives.
More people are killed by cops in Brazil in a year than homicides in England per year
Paulcedron decides its time to highlight the Hillsborough tragedy from a quarter of a century ago. “luckily next world cup is not in england”. Indeed considering the reforms and safety this incident promoted.... but I digress that wasn't the spirit of the comment. This spirit of the comment was this:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/football-referee-beheaded-after-stabbing-player-20130709-2pmpv.html
So glad the next World Cup is not in Brazil..... oops!
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Apr 21st, 2014 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@58 Anglotino
Apr 21st, 2014 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0In it's bid for the Cup the FAA planned to have the final at the ANZ. The capacity for the Olympics was actually 110 000. They reconfigured it afterwards for it's current capacity. I assume they can reverse that process. Yes Melbourne is definitely one of the great sporting cities, but as to sporting attendance...a U.S. College football game drew 114 000+ last year.
The groovy little phrase you invented is a cop-out IMO. It might have inspired your initial pit-bull like focus, but you kept going because it made you feel important didn't it? And earned you the praise of your peers did it not?
What are the odds of some ageing Patagonian knowing what the hell the South Fremantle Football Club is, or what their recruiting zone could possibly mean? The little town I mentioned is so small it doesn't even appear on most W.A. maps. How could Think possibly know of such a place? I even gave you the opportunity to discover my real name. You're a student, an intelligent man, I assumed you could easily find your way around your State Library.
You didn't take the opportunity because it didn't suit your interests. I recognise it takes guts to apologise on a public forum and I hold no ill-will towards you but I trust my perception of reality, based on the above, more than yours.
I didn't direct anything homophobic towards you, I simply challenged your commitment towards defending the same. Obviously I was completely wrong.
And now there's a blockbuster at the G I should be devoting my attention to...
Nice to see that I've had a lasting effect on you.
Apr 21st, 2014 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@89
Apr 21st, 2014 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have no idea what that sentence is intended to mean.
Brasileiro ,
Apr 21st, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0can you stop 'stirring up the natives'.
These postings are getting really boring.
How about spending a week really sticking to the topic of the article and focussing on giving well argued, informative postings from Brasil's perspective.
*I* know you can do it if you want to.
If you do it, perhaps it will help Stevie to also do it.
I think some people have missed the point here. The article mentions the “Argentine government” and “intelligence”. Is anyone surprised that none will be handed over?
Apr 21st, 2014 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oxymoron!
Apr 21st, 2014 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@93, Geoff, good one !
Apr 21st, 2014 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite frankly, I say let the hooligans in...if they want to kill each other, it's ok with me....and if they want to try to rough up supporters of other national teams, the Brazilian cops will make sure they get what they came for...
@94 Jack Bauer,
Apr 21st, 2014 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The cops are probably looking forward to cracking a few skulls.
Keeps them in practice! lol
The Barra Brava behave the way they do because they are allowed to. They even have a say in the running of clubs, which is quite extraordinary.
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0When faced by a police force that won't tolerate their behaviour, they'll be producing enough methane gas to help Argentina get power (as per the other MP story on flatulence), akin to the Monty Python “Run away, run away” scenes in the Quest for the Holy Grail.
86 Anglotino (#)
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Classic slap down, problem is he is no more Brazilian than a fly in the air.
Bottom line, this will be the bloodiest football tournament in the history of FIFA.
@90
Apr 22nd, 2014 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is that not at all surprising coming from you?
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