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UK Independent party EU election posters considered 'racist'
United Kingdom's Independent Party, (UKIP), Britain's anti-EU party, launched its campaign for next month's European elections fending off accusations from rival lawmakers that its pre-election posters were racist. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesA country with finite resources can only supply a reasonable standard of living to a limited number of people, that's logic. Are the borders monitored properly? No. Are visa violations investigated properly? No. The UK has a problem with immigration, everyone knows and can see that, unless you're an MP living in a secluded village somewhere, giving opinions on things you won't experience and can't understand.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I fail to see how this poster is racist exactly, most people from the EU would be classed as the same “race” as people in the UK, despite some claiming that the British are not a race at all... so as British Asians might struggle to find work because of unrestricted immigration, and when the Afro and Afro-Carribean communites of the UK suffer some of the highest unemployment levels of any group, I would suggest that restricting immigration would help those groups as competition for free positions reduces.
So, as this poster is basically calling to protect all with a UK passport, and doesn't specify a “race” it either wants to protect or reject, I ask again: how is it racist?
1 Boovis
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0the simple answer is “It isn't” All those idiots like camer-moron and his little b*tch Nick Clegg can see their re-election hopes fading away so they are desperate, DESPERATE to make something stick.
Rather than actually listen to what the people want, successive governments have lead this country down the road to ruin. Now that Nigel Farage is talking common sense, they hate it and they want rid of him. I am hoping, I am really hoping that the “Earthquake in Westminster” is nearly upon us and that we can consign the Conservatives and Labour to the scrap heap, where they rightfully belong
I'm not sure I know enough about immigration to offer a useful opinion.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is UKIP against? British membership of the EU. Yes I'um with them on that.
Are they against immigration? If they are then that would just be silly and it would be racist.
Are they against uncontrolled, open border immigration? If this is the case it is just common sense.
No country can afford uncontrolled, open door immigration. Least of all a welfare state.
“Are they against immigration? If they are then that would just be silly and it would be racist.”
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0And which specific race would being against immigration discriminate against, insular yes, xenophobic, maybe but racist...
“Are they against uncontrolled, open border immigration? If this is the case it is just common sense.
No country can afford uncontrolled, open door immigration. Least of all a welfare state.”
I would assume that this is what they want otherwise, yes silly.
I think the posters are ill-advised. They play on people's xenophobia and stoke up fear. If the immigration laws need amending then it should be achieved without the nationalistic and xenophobic shades used by UKIP. They are a light form of the Tea Party, without the guns, and give a voice to the armchair racists.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Farage employs his German wife in a secretarial role on a salary of £30,000. Are we sure there is not one British person capable of doing her job? You see the flaws in Farage's diatribe?
Britain was built on immigration and the last thing we want it to turn into some nationalistic, populist, inward looking country. Immigration laws can be changed with a positive campaign. Sadly, negative campaigns are all too successful as they play on innate prejudice.
vote UKIP and see Great Britain become the Little Britain............
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0We tried that, the mainstream parties have had years to address this problem and failed massively. It is time for a much more hard line approach to this issue. I will be voting UKIP infact everyone I speak to are voting for them.
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Keep dreaming loser. The British people only ever wanted a trade agreement with Europe, a common market. Everything that came after that they can have back, along with their Romanian traffickers!
*7 Hey there!! loser boy!! When you sign into an agreement you sign for the good and the bad!! You cannot go round saying -we want this but we don´t want that- YOU SIGN FOR EVERYTHING OR YOU LEAVE THE UNION!! you cannot have just ONLY THE TRADE AGREEMENT!!! as simple as that......
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 05 ElaineB
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I sort of agree with you and then I don't. Are the posters “ill-advised”??? Probably. but then again as friend Britworker at 7 points out, nothing thus far has worked.
So what if Nigel Farage wants to employ his German wife? is that worse than a Tory MP putting in a expenses claim for the morgage on his second house? I don't know how you feel about the mainstream parties and I don't know how you vote but, for me, all 3 of them have let this country down.........massively.
I for one am sick of Camer-moron not listening and repeating “don't worry, things will get better” when clearly things are only getting worse. We have been waiting and waiting for this fabled “re-negotation” that “Dave” keeps on talking about, we, as a country pour £50 bn a year into the EU only to be told which banana's are proper banana's or we can't shore up flood defences because it might harm the water voles............WTF???
Enough!!! Camer-moron has had his chance and FAILED. He has made a bigger mess than Gordon Brown did and it's time for a new approach. That new approach, the only new approach is offered by UKIP.
if may answer aussiesunshinee's lame comment...... I would rather be living in “Little Britian” than be living in just a state in the United Failed States of Europe with it's corruption and failing currency.
*9 Good for you! It is a free country afterall!! The Germans wanted a new approach in the 30s and look where it took them.....ummmm
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0You obviously didn't pay attention did you? The British people voted to join a common market (Free Trade etc). We did not vote once or were given a say in the striping away of the British parliaments power and responsibility, the formation of a Brussels based government, the mass influx of unskilled labour, the formation of a European state and the absurd amount of rules and regulations that come with it.
We have been lied to and deceived, we never voted for any of this and our career political class pissed it all away.
“YOU SIGN FOR EVERYTHING OR YOU LEAVE THE UNION!!” Gladly but when did the establishment politicians ever listen to their own people?
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Apr 23rd, 2014 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Hey there!! loser boy!! When you sign into an agreement you sign for the good and the bad!! ”
That's true, like when you sign up to this forum you get informed debate.....and then you get lame comments from retards like you.
*11 You will have that referendum in 2015!! Democracy at work..majority votes -no- and no more EU for Great Britain...and you will be free......but when I say out I mean out..do not expect to have a common market with Europe.If you want to sell your goods in the EU YOU PAY A TARRIF..BY WHERE YOUR PRODUCTS WOULD NOT BE COMPETITIVE AND YOU WILL SEE HOW QUICKLY THE MULTI NATIONALS ABANDON THE UK AND MOVE TO THE EU....
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sigh......You obviously can't seem to grasp business can you? We are the EU's single largest export market, they sell more to us than we do to them. Do you really think BMW, Mercedes and Audi will allow Angela Merkel to put tariffs on their cars going to Britain? NO! is the answer, German business would piss on her head to stop her from damaging their interests.
Australia isn't part of the EU and they presently sell more in then that receive and still don't pay tariffs. So why would the UK who buys more have to pay? You haven't thought it through have you?
There are dozens of other countries who aren't part of the EU and they don't pay a single penny in tariffs so why should we, if we were to leave? Every country has to meet another's health and safety and efficacy standards; its called business.
“You will have that referendum in 2015” 2017 Actually, mind you we were promised it in 2009, 2010 etc by all three parties and they seem to have forgotten overnight.
They all fear UKIP,
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0raciest they shout ,
but they did the same with their posters,
hypocrites we say, labour lib/dem, and the conns, all the same,
they fxcked it all up, no one else, and certainly not UKIP,
the people need a rest from the corruption of these greedy thieving MPs,
im not saying UKIP is or will be better,
but for Christ's sake, give em a chance,
what has the other 3 done for Britain,
sold us down the drain to the EU, lied to us over immigration , destroyed the military , destroys the shipyards , steel works , the mines , the fishing industry ,
the big 3 deserve to be kicked out,,
but come polling day, the sheep will queuing up to put their cross for the unloved ones,
the posters are telling the truth, let em stand.
Europe is our biggest trading partner. Leaving Europe does not mean we cannot trade with them but we will lose significant negotiating power and it will damage our wider influence. I think everyone agrees that that the EU has become a monster of bureaucracy and we will get to decide of we want to continue as a partner. It shouldn't happen through scaremongering and tapping into innate prejudice but by informed debate.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You cannot blame all the ills and problems on immigrants. Can you not see that is the exact same tactic CFK uses? 'It is all the fault of the English!', 'It is all the fault of someone else”, 'It is all the fault of immigrants'.
The majority of people taking from the welfare system are not immigrants. The majority want to work and move to the UK looking for a better life. Don't be fooled by the Daily Mail headlines.
I don't know anyone who would vote UKIP so I guess we move in different circles. I also do have opinions on immigration and the welfare system. I have said here before that we should have a basic entry qualification and no benefits until substantial amounts have been paid into the system. I would suggest a two year period of working and paying tax. (If anyone asks me).
I also do not agree that things have not improved in recent months. The current government inherited a huge mess and it has taken this long to drag the economy back to something approaching solvent.
BTW I don't support one party, or 'team'. I make an informed decision at each individual election.
that is funny.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so the imbecile farage blames the immigrants for all the problems of the uk,
now, what is he going to tell to the +/- 3 million british immigrants who live in the other european countries, 1 million of them concentrated in spain?
guess the policies of the rest of the european countries will be reciprocal with the uk, once they leave the u.e.
then, the imbecile farage will blame the british immigrants forced to return to the uk.
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/441912/Nissan-car-giant-boss-warns-company-might-quit-UK-if Britain-were-to -leave-EU
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10676639/Clarke-Trade-deals-would-suffer-if-we-left-EU
Here is just two examples of the thousands of articles against leaving the EU and the negative consequences if The Uk left........
Europe is our biggest trading partner. Leaving Europe does not mean we cannot trade with them but we will lose significant negotiating power
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Partly agree,
I don’t think we would lose our negotiating power, but it may well increase,
Our politicians give the impression that this tiny minute forgotten little insignificant past island cannot stand on its own to feet,
[this is the EU brainwashing talking]
The MPs should be fighting for us,
To dismiss the UK as to small to be alone, thus condemn every island state in the world, including Japan and new Zealand, and the rest,
We have the commonwealth, we can do our own trade deals with the USA and China and the rest,
Our government could and can invest in Britain, invest in our ships yards and steel works to make them competitive with others,
They could invest in our clothing industry, the mines, and our fishing fleet ,
Re-build the crumbling roads, creating thousands of jobs,
All im saying is,
We joined a common market, not a united states of Europe,
Just my opinion.
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Argentina needs a politician like Nigel Farage.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Somebody who is honest straightforward speaking, very charismatic, he takes political correctness head on, lived off private business in his early life and was not a career politician, a superb and realistic debater and actually offers something new.
Never seen anything like him.
About the UKIP itself, well if they make it the whole run and get the referendum, UK is out and the EU will fall apart into pieces. If there was a threat of collapse if Greece or Spain left just imagine if Britain walks out.
@16
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“but we will lose significant negotiating power and it will damage our wider influence.” Not completely true as I said; “they sell more to us than we do to them” this puts us in a stronger position.
“You cannot blame all the ills and problems on immigrants.” We're not. We see a immigration as a significant part of the problem. I feel sorry for those people who are seeking a better life but our own people have to come first.
“The majority of people taking from the welfare system are not immigrants. The majority want to work and move to the UK looking for a better life.” True but a significant minority are here looking for trouble, I hope you haven't red the Romanian crime statistics in London or the Polish ones up north, but they are absolutely shocking. The vast bulk of those recently arrested are among those who have come in with the 3 million plus in the last 10 years.
“I have said here before that we should have a basic entry qualification and no benefits until substantial amounts have been paid into the system. I would suggest a two year period of working and paying tax.” While we are members of the EU no such measure can be implanted, we have total open door immigration.
“The current government inherited a huge mess and it has taken this long to drag the economy back to something approaching solvent.” We are still borrowing at an excessive amount 120 billion a month.
Vote UKIP Elaine, its our last hope.
@17
Nope!
@18
Nissan said they would leave if we refused to accept more integration with the EU.
We didn't and they stayed.
Nissan said they would leave if we refused to join the Euro.
We didn't and they stayed.
Nissan say they will leave if the UK withdraws from the EU.
They won't.
“Here is just two examples of the thousands of articles against leaving the EU and the negative consequences if The Uk left”
All published by bought and payed for and those who have interests in staying, i.e the super rich, not the 99% of normal people.
So the imbecile farage blames the immigrants for all the problems of the uk,
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[ No he does not, ]
[And he is not saying any more or less than others say abt us,.]
The Uk problems are cause by the economy and the decisions of the British government,
Not UKIP,
,,
Here is just two examples of the thousands of articles against leaving the EU
[ and many more for it, ]
At the end of the day, one has to decide who governs this country,
1, the EU,
2, The British government, by consent of the British people,
A referendum will decide just that,
[ remember]
All 3 parties have promised a referendum on Europe, in their past, and all 3 have renegades on them.
but can I just say this,
their is nothing, but nothing, that the EU can do for the British people, that our own government cant,
and if our own government, cant or wont,
then their is something very wrong with our government..
or this one:
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2327401-Every-family-3-500-worse-Britain-left.EU-business-chiefs-warn
Two good views from Sir Martin Sorrell and sir Richard Branson.Two Business heavyweights.
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Apr 23rd, 2014 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0aussiesunshine
you may add ford motor company to that list
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10572731/Ford-warns-it-would-reassess-UK-presence-if-country-left-EU.html
it seems some britardeds think they are doing some kind of favour to the eu with their presence, but it is exactly the contrary.
*24 Good point.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#13 ....like the treaty of Utrecht.... Bahahahaha... :-)))))???
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it seems some britardeds think they are doing some kind of favour to the eu with their presence, but it is exactly the contrary
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thus a very good reason to leave them,.
I remember when Berlusconi wanted to dump North African and middle eastern imigrants into France as if France wasnt up to its neck in them. What has happaned to what Sarkozy and Berlusconi calls for a reform in the Schengen agreement ???
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://elpais.com/diario/2011/04/27/internacional/1303855209_850215.html
UKIP should hire Colin Moyes, he's experienced at getting out of Europe.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember what I said about the 99%? Never take the advise of big business when it comes to the interests of the lesser off. Those statistics were backed up by big business because there profits will be damaged if we leave not ordinary people who are tired of propping up a failed EU model which is causing misery for millions in southern Europe.
@24
How rude! Also Ford made similar accusations as Nissan did and they have remained and only increased their business activities.
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Apr 23rd, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“thus a very good reason to leave them,.”
totally agree
lol
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like the racist card that is always thrown in the mix. I guess that makes 99% of the world racist because they want to protect their own cultures, traditions and people. But in the UK if you want these things your are a racist.........
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Apr 23rd, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite right although Its not 99% of people... There is politically correct people that are far too many in Europe that will be happy to sell out cultures tradition and people to the hordes of immigrants for the sakes of not being “racists”.
16 ElaineB (#)
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Elaine I'm sorry but we do not have any significant negotiating power in the halls of the EU because of Block Voting.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/debate/columnists/bernard-ingham-we-carry-little-weight-in-the-eu-s-corridors-of-power-1-6535080
I don't blame immigration for anything in particular. Immigration is natural and it is desirable. But is uncontrolled open door immigration?
Some people can't see the difference which might be forgivable but others CAN see the difference and still claim there isn't one. These people are disingenuous and dangerous. Very often they are right wing Tories for example Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine which is paradoxical.
“BTW I don't support one party, or 'team'. I make an informed decision at each individual election.”
Yes I am with you on this and I would hope that just because we disagree on some things that you wouldn't assume otherwise. I agree with UKIP on one thing and one thing only. The EU.
As I said. I don't worry too much about immigration myself because I don't know enough about it but to me the matter of the UK in the EU is fundamental.
Ireland were given two referendums on the Lisbon Treaty, Switzerland were given 5 on the question of joining the EU. Once the 'right' answer is given there are no more. The authorities are still gunning for referendum #6 in Switzerland of course because they haven't yet given the 'correct' answer.......................
We got one in 1975 for joining the EEC. Not the EU. Why don't we get another?
Because once 'they' have the 'right' answer they don't need anymore referendums do they?
No.
What are people afraid of anyway? Democracy? The will of the people?
Are only the Scots and the Falkland Islanders allowed a referendum on their political futures?
The rest of us should just put up and shut up yes?
No.
I don't read the Daily Mail either Elaine. Don't be so insulting. You are not the only thinker here.
*30 well it is big business that makes the world go round!! (and employ the workers) so I´d rather listeni these people than that soothsayer Farage....
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK leaving the EU is not some 'take it or leave it' process. The UK is by far Ireland's largest trading partner and as such Ireland would be in deep crap if tariffs were imposed between the EU and the UK. Equally the UK is one of the 4 highest net contributors to the EU budget - who would make up the shortfall? - Spain? don't make me laugh. Germany? - I don't think their tax-payers would put up with more EU costs. The Eastern Bloc? - they haven't got two ha'pennies to rub together. That leaves France and Italy as major net contributors and their economies are in deep crap also. I suspect, and before the turnip baiters leap on me it's only my opinion, I suspect that the EU will move heaven and Earth to try and keep the UK on-side because if the UK does leave then the EU gravy-train will be running on empty.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 If you join a debate AFTER I have made a comment, don't assume anything I posted was directed at you.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In general.
I would never vote on the basis of 'let's give someone else a try'. Why not The Monster Raving Looney Party if you are going to apply that kind of illogic.
I would never vote UKIP. They are not our only hope and they are the Tea Party without the guns.
Even IF UKIP were an option their tactics in using these posters immediately raise a red flag. Playing on people's insecurities and innate prejudices is not an attractive quality in politics. And who would vote for a one issue party? Running a country takes a lot more than stirring up nationalism.
I will continue to watch Farage but even the founder of UKIP has no love for the man. What he may succeed in doing is force the hand of a major party to tackle the problem but in a more measured way.
Trust no false prophets.....
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What? a political party in Britain that's says the British should come first in Britain!? How ridiculous.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can see the liberal elite running en masse to their bolt holes in the Dordogne if UKIP ever get elected.
The anti Brits hate Nigel Farage for what reason ¿?? Because he is patriotic and he stands for the British people's interests and they know it. Only the politically correct Britons don't.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Red Flag?? The only thing this poster says is that local workers are hit hard by unlimited ammounts of unskilled immigrants.
If the UK leaves the EU then most certainly Scotland will leave the UK. If that happens the UK will lose its its UN security council position and then an Argentinian case on the subject of the Malvinas becomes viable. So, the UK might be returning the islands much sooner than the projected 25 years.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The EU needs the UK to finance it's bloated operations to micromanage from across the channel Britons lives in ridiculous ways. Imagine a South American EU bring administered from Sucre...
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Norway and Switzerland seem to be doing fine...
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Apr 23rd, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One slight flaw in that hypothesis...
The EU Referendum Bill, which would have put into law a 2017 referendum on the UK's membership of the European Union, was killed off by the House of Lords by Labour and the Lib Dems...
...the only way to guarantee a referendum on the EU is to vote Conservative at the General Election...May 2015...
The referendum for Scotland to leave the UK is September 2014....
Is Hep saying that if The UK leaves the EU or Sotland becomes independent, then the UK would lose it's olace on the UNSC?
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 037 ElaineB (#)
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Elaine. With all respect I never said that you were directing anything at me. I took no offence and I mean no offence.
But playing on insecurities is a politicians tool of choice. Nick Clegg reckons we'll lose 3 million jobs if we leave the EU. I think he is scare mongering. Alex Salmond is up in arms because he thinks that the 'No' campaign in Scotland is being too negative but can't say anything nice about the UK or Scotland's part in it.
Fairs fair. You can't have it both ways.
Tell you what. I'll meet you in the middle. Lib/Lab/Con give me a free and fair referendum on UK membership of the EU and we can bury UKIP.
Whaddya say?
“I would never vote on the basis of 'let's give someone else a try'. Why not The Monster Raving Looney Party if you are going to apply that kind of illogic.”
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aren't they already in power?
Its all a matter of degree. if Britain had 1 million recent immigrants that would be accepted, but Britain has had 3 million in recent years, 5% of the population. I wonder what the anti UKIP people's immigrant threshold is 5 million, 10 million or 15 million? How many could they accept? The people affected by immigration are those struggling without a job or those who can only get low paid or part time employment. Its not racist to vote for a party who are saying hold on enough is enough. And, its not racist to want to run your own affairs like the Scots. I hope they get what they want, and I hope Brits get what they want. My vote in May will go to UKIP, our politicians need a kick in the nuts and Clegg particularly needs to be kicked well into touch.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 “I don't read the Daily Mail either Elaine. Don't be so insulting. You are not the only thinker here.” Your comment on a post I made before you joined the debate.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would be happy with a real debate and vote on the EU.
@46 :)
vote on the EU
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that's all the British people want and are asking for,
I think at the very least, we deserve a referendum as to who governs us,
he rest is purely for the future..
I think we can ALL perhaps agree on one thing: UKIP have got the other three parties RATTLED.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And that can only be a good thing.
I personally think Farage is very witty and I love to see him twat the EU around its ears but I have some reservations about how good a leader he would be. But then Camoron is uselss and Clegg is a self-seeking arsehole and who is currently leader of Labour / New Labour / The Communist Party of Britain? One of the Milliband kids is it still, I never see anything off him in the press?
We really DO need to be out of the EU.
Sometimes it shows the stupidity of our leader,
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely all David has to do, is announce that we will have that referendum regardless of who is in power in 2015, and put this into law,
Then UKIP would probably get less votes, and the conservative party would be on a high to win,
Simple politics, yet somehow virtually impossible to implement.
We think??
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41 Hepatia
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you been sniffing glue? Or are you suffering from Rabies?
That's the only way you could explain your post at 41. It's either that or you need a check up from the neck up.
“If the UK leaves the EU then most certainly Scotland will leave the UK.” I am loving your school kid presentation of the facts.
How can the UK leave the EU before Scotland leaves the UK? The Scottish referendum is in September this year. The general election isn't until next year.
........And what about this little belter?
“If that happens the UK will lose its its UN security council position and then an Argentinian case on the subject of the Malvinas becomes viable.”
WOW!!! are you in a competition with aussiesunshinee to see who can come out with the most retarded comment? Argentina has no case on the Falklands not then, not now, not ever whether the UK is on the security council or not. The Islands will not be yours in 25 year 250 years or 2,500 years ok?
Good. I'm glad that we've sorted that one out.
Now let's have a post from some one who is not being paid by La Campora.
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Apr 23rd, 2014 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 050
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.....“We really DO need to be out of the EU.”
What do you mean We....you are out of the EU....Ex-pat....
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Read my post @43...he can't....
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...from behind your Zimmer-frame...?
was killed off by the House of Lords by Labour and the Lib Dems...
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0maybe,
but as much as I would like to trust him, I just don't,
once he gets back into power anything can happen.
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Apr 23rd, 2014 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well that's true, a politician's pre-election promise means very little...
..but it was all politics ..the EU debate delayed till after the Scottish referendum to leave the SNP with no ammunition....
SNP being pro-EU....
mmmm.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0one dreads the future, but can do little..
If the British people are fed up with immigration they should feel within their rights to say so. It is not racist.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When I lived in England I saw all sorts of rackets. Many immigrant groups were highly organized. They knew how to get free houses, how to get benefits. The criminal ones know the police are a soft touch and that the various agencies don't join up information, allowing them to make an easy living.
It is complete madness. People either don't know what goes on or they choose to down play it in the name of being inclusive.
I am not saying there are not 'rackets' going on. I am saying it is wrong to blame all the ills of a country on immigrants. That is the song UKIP are singing and it is no different to CFK blaming all of Argentina's ills on foreigners.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said before, I agree there should be restrictions. I hope the noise UKIP are making will force some changes but Farage would be the worst kind of leader for the country. JMO
@59
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the second time in a row it isn't the song we are singing, we in UKIP have the most sensible immigration policy of any party; 5 year freeze to allow proper records to be taken and unworthy migrants to be deported back to were they came from. After the freeze implement a controlled policy were by around 20,000-50,000 migrants are let in each year not the current influx of 2000 a week. These migrants will be hand picked based on skills, finances criminal record etc. This ensures we get the pick of the litter of migrants, just like what Australia does. Right now because of EU legislation we have to give priority to unskilled, un-assimilating migrants from the likes of Poland with a criminal record over the likes of a doctor from Pakistan with 20+ years experience, no criminal convictions and a ton of wealth to contribute. Its beyond a joke. It must end now!
“I hope the noise UKIP are making will force some changes” I think you should respect us for what we have done. UKIP is the reason the establishment is sweating over migration. We forced it into the spotlight why they tried to hide it. The same is true of those bloody wind turbines and all the green tax money grabbing nonsense that comes with it. UKIP is the reasons the tories have allegedly promised a referendum in 2017.
All this has allowed millions in Britain to wake up to what is being done to them. It is also the reason why UKIP have spent the better part of two years out polling the Lib-dems for the 2015 election.
“Farage would be the worst kind of leader for the country. JMO”
Nigel Farage left for the city of London when he was young with a small amount of money and turned it into a successful business employing multiple numbers of people. He has lead normal life and worked for it. Can CaMoron, Millipede of Cappuccino Clegg say the same from their overly privileged research party backgrounds? I doubt that they have ever made a sandwich between them.
UKIP is this countries last hope.
The immigration problem is artificial.
Apr 23rd, 2014 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Natural imigration is like the tide ebbing back and forth. The borders between nations/cultures mixing and re mixing over century's to such a degree that they don't have major conflicts with each other.
Modern immigration just dumps huge amounts of “foreigners” right in the middle of “somewhere” and expects everyone to be ok with being a “multi-cultural society”.
In theory we are all humans and have the right to live where we want.
In practice we have evolved over millenia to seek out our own “kind” be it in language, appearance, customs etc. so we can get along well together (for the most part) without conflict.
Over 10% of the British population are from overseas. This is clearly far to much. Why? Because people see it, feel it hear it and it bothers them that their culture is being forcibly changed.
When the rate was at 2% I dare anyone to say they thought immigration was a problem. Why? because the were part of the ebb and flow and mixed in and added there identity to our own. Sadly that is not the case today.
Absolutely racist ... if cheap labour is a race, that is.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The usual attempt from rival lawmakers to demonize a political opponent.
The problem is not UKIP but the liberal elite who have governed the UK for decades. A liberal elite so out of touch with normal Britons they think fiddling their expenses isn't a real crime when MP's do it. UKIP isn't blaming all the Country's problems on immigration thats just more Liberal deceit. It is however an issue and the electorate have a right to have their day at the Ballot box. UKIP is all about getting out of the EU which is corrupt, anti democratic - ask the Greeks and Italians, hampers Free Trade and is trying to start WW3 with Russia.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0All these folk voting UKIP....oh dear oh dear.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0VOTE UKIP.....GET MILLIBAND
VOTE UKIP....GET MILLIBAND AND NO REFERENDUM
There is no “earthquake”, and after the next general election you will have either Milliband or Cameron in No.10.
The more people who vote Farage, the more likely Milliband will win.
Pity folk who vote UKIP don't understand the first past the post system.
P.s.
Cameron/Osborne have failed how? Taken a broken, near bankrupt economy with massive debts and turned it into the fastest growing economy in Europe.....crikey...how terrible of them.
With the largest national debt ever and still rising, now is not the time to be complacent about the UK economy. Leaving the EU will save an immediate £50 million a day. Why vote for Cameron or Milliband when you fundamentally disagree with their policy on the EU and their failed immigration policies which have seen many UK towns and cities changed beyond all recognition. Vote Cameron Clegg or Milliband and you get the same old arrogant elite who have made such a mess of the Country.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 064 Monkeymagic
Apr 24th, 2014 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron/Osborne have failed how?
Well let's see........ Camer-moron the man who stands for “absolutely nothing at all” always first for going second. Broken promise after broken promise.....
The consevatives:- “Guardians of the armed forces” ( quote from “Dave” himself )
RAF reduced to less planes than before the second world war, 617 squadron disbanded
The Navy..... what navy? no aircraft carriers, less than 30 fighting ships
The Army... being reduced to 85,000 personnel the 7th Armoured Brigade had their tanks taken away from them ( and they are an armoured brigade!! )
Don't get me started on their FAILED immigration policies, their criminal mismanagement of the welfare state and the NHS.... Their inability to actually LISTEN to the people.
Apart from all of the above... they are just doing fine, doing fine!!!
Nothing to worry about
I do feel our country is becoming more xenophobic. hope it stops soon makes more sence for the world to be more integrated then as separated as it is now
Apr 24th, 2014 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 064
Apr 24th, 2014 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0....“The more people who vote Farage, the more likely Milliband will win.”
“Pity folk who vote UKIP don't understand the first past the post system.”
Maybe you don't understand the first past the post system....
If enough people vote UKIP.....UKIP wins outright!!!
...then your statement assumes it's not Labour voters that vote UKIP...
If UKIP beat LIB DEM by taking a combination of CON, LAB and LIB DEM votes they can also be second or even third and be part of a coalition with CON or LAB.
As far as I can see it is Labour that should be worried....Farage targeting the “Common” man......he portrays himself as a man of the people.
Labour's traditional niche...
#61
Apr 24th, 2014 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have a naval acquaintance in Norway who is now retired, but we still occasionally correspond. In Bergen, where he lives, the crime rate has soared over 80% over the past decade directly related to a substantial increase of Middle Eastern refugees that have been relocated to the area. Norwegians are known for their generosity and humanitarian works and yet he tells me that the people in Bergen are fed up and realize that accepting such a large amount of these people was a terrible mistake.
@ 54 A_Voice / Lunatic Of Chew Butt
Apr 24th, 2014 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have told you before that I pay taxes not only in Uruguay but also in Britain.
Getting out of the EU would reduce the tax burden on everybody but with any of the present Triumvant likely to be in power they may well spend it on other things.
Do try and keep up.
If the UK pulls out of the EU what will happen to Gibraltar?
Apr 24th, 2014 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Will they need a visa to enter Spain? What would be their status??
“Farage would be the worst kind of leader for the country. JMO”
Apr 24th, 2014 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0And which of these were better,
Lets start with the man who took us in to this pathetic corrupt gravy train, that so many seem to love.
1, Edward Heath
2, Harold Wilson
3, James Callaghan
4, Margaret Thatcher
5, John Major
6, Tony Blair
7, Gordon Brown
8, David Cameron
Interesting.
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@69
Apr 24th, 2014 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can believe that. I've heard that a lot about Scandinavia.
I recently spoke to two Danish guys on a working holiday. They were telling me that the Scandinavian countries were very friendly places to live (Danes claim to be the happiest people on earth). But that they had serious problems now with large areas being totally Muslim and not integrating at all into Danish society. The population are now changing their views and want much tighter controls in immigration.
like I said, once people feel their culture is being supplanted things can change very quickly.
@71 I don't think they would car either way. The Spanish have been childish this past year and increased the time it takes to cross the border to only a few hours so what difference what a visa make? Besides, there are more Spanish coming in to work than Gibraltarians going out so it affects them the most.
Will UKIP change British politics forever ??
Apr 24th, 2014 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there's only one way to find out,
Vote in May, And have your say..
A Voice
Apr 24th, 2014 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“if enough people vote UKP they will win”
Thats the standard of your debate is it?? oh dear??
Anyway, back on earth...on anything likely to happen (i.e. less than odds of 1000-1), what is actually likely to happen is, in the next general election between 10-15% of people will vote UKIP.
Now, you suggest this should worry Labour....seems like Lord Ashcrofts research disagrees.
In the key marginal seats, versus the last election, Labour is up, UKIP is up and the Tories and Liberals are down...
Doesn't sound like UKIP is hurting Labour.
The votes in the key marginals will decide the election, at the moment the UKIP vote is hurting the Tories versus the last election...NOT Labour.
Therefore vote UKIP...get labour.
I am sorry this is too complex for you, and you resort to asinine comments like the one above...which although factually correct is valueless.
I might equally state...
“If aliens land and kidnap 90% of the population that doesn't intend to vote UKIP...UKIP could win”...its true....but stupid.
*73 There is one big difference.Visas can be rejected!! Spain would have total control at the border.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 075
Apr 24th, 2014 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stranger things have happened, it would hardly have been credible to believe that the SNP would defeat Labour in Scotland ...but they did....
69
Not just Norway....
I took the train from Venice to Padova, staying overnight at the Crowne Plaza to visit the Cappella degli Scrovegni .... one of the greatest artworks of all times. Completely frescoed by Giotto between 1303 and 1305.
As I got off the train the army were on the streets around the station....I asked a soldier what was happening.....Immigrants targeting tourists, organised on cycles with mobile phones..snatching handbags, luggage and if you wandered into quiet areas they would rob you.
They were everywhere....I couldn't believe it.....
Perhaps they will do more to help Gibraltar, being abused by Spain,
Apr 24th, 2014 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spanish warship in fresh ‘radio exchange’ incursion
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=33713
And a question to the MO D ,
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how many frigates (1) are deployed on operational tasks, (2) are fully stored, including complete ammunition outfit, (3) are in repair or maintenance periods.
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four Frigates are deployed in UK waters or overseas on operational tasks and six are engaged in training or work-up periods. The remaining three Frigates are in refit. We do not release the details of the ammunitions carried by deployed ships
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=33713
not looking good..
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