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Argentine government cancels releases on poverty and indigence
Argentina's Statistics and Census Institute (Indec) postponed the release of figures from the so-called House Poll, which includes strategic information regarding poverty and indigence rates, officials from that entity confirmed on Wednesday afternoon. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGetting harder to massage the figures.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Was this news accompanied by a surge in the sales of Tippex
Apr 24th, 2014 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The USA and Chile have been caught manipulating statistics, but Argentina really knows how to create fantasy... “The last food basket published from December 2013 suggested a family of four could satisfy its food requirements with 6 Argentine Pesos a day...”
Apr 24th, 2014 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can the government now tell the truth? Especially: ...CFK government estimated poverty vs. the Catholic university estimate...
Re; Pic
Apr 24th, 2014 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The entirety of Glasgow looks on enviously.
Definition of 'vestige' according to Collins Dictionary:-
Apr 24th, 2014 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“an organ or part of an organism that is a small nonfunctioning remnant of a functional organ in an ancestor”
Seems about right to me.
”The last food basket published from December 2013 suggested a family of four could satisfy its food requirements with 6 Argentine Pesos a day (about one US dollar at the time). But the release ceased when the new urban retail prices index was unveiled”
Apr 24th, 2014 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 06 pesos is now worth 50 US Cents... half of what it was worth one year ago. If people did not increase their nominal salary by 100%, even this ridiculously bogus statistic is going explode in their faces...
PROTESTS IN MADRID.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Neither are things exactly booming here in Spain –in spite of what Aussiesunshine and his cohorts would have everyone believe.
For more details, have a shufti here:
http://londonprogressivejournal.com/article/view/1788
Cheers!
Jim, in Madrid.
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Apr 24th, 2014 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Neither are things exactly booming here in Spain –in spite of what Aussiesunshine and his cohorts would have everyone believe.”
neither in spain, nor in argentina nor in britain.
http://londonprogressivejournal.com/article/view/1502/britains-poverty-addiction
Where's the minister of truth,
Apr 24th, 2014 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh they don't have one,
once a dictatorship, always a dictatorship,
freedom will come, one day, [ not ]
$6 pesos a day in Dec 2013.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bottle of coke/pepsi is about $18. Their own cheap/unknown brand is about $11. Butter $45 etc etc etc.
$700 pesos a week wages does not not go far.
That don't seem much,
Apr 24th, 2014 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps £50 A day plus +
What ever that is in Argentine money.
By the time CFK leaves office the poverty rate will be back to where it was when ol' bug eyes took over, right around 50%.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The economy is spiraling down quickly.
What I find odd, and its a sure sign of manipulation, is that the “blue U$” is rising. It should be falling now with the U$ billions flowing into the country from SOY. This tells me that there's some serious issue and maybe not as much U$ is coming in as they are saying.
My guess IMF is not going to accept “the new methodology” they are supposed to be testing for a year.
I think there is going to be a gap of a year or two when Arg needs an IMF loan but can't get one because they are in bad standing with the IMF.
I will laugh and laugh.
#4 ...no, that looks like Dunoon, el Think will be along in a moment to confirm it.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 I saw this today and thought it quite odd, especially when yesterday they had to spend $50m trying to keep the official rate as it is. They should be swimming in US$ at this time of year (comparative to other times). Another piece of news which may help to inform is that over half the provinces say that they will not be able to meet to first scheduled bonus payment of the year...Also, a senior Argentinean economist said the other day that Argentina is suffering from serious stagflation. This, coupled with a rise in the “blue” leads me to believe that they are haemorrhaging US$ quicker than they would like to admit…
Apr 24th, 2014 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 014. I posted an article last week ( I think) about the trade balance they reported being waaaay off, like U$6B less than the U$9B they claim.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they can't save enough U$ from now until May the country absolutely will not have enough U$ to buy fuel.
On the provinces at some point they'll have to issue Patacones to pay wages. They are tapped out. The Fed Gov't got them through last year but I doubt they can do it this year.
I think CFK is going to be very sorry she accepted a 2nd term. She should have fled when she had the chance.
@ 15 Yup, at the moment every day should feel like christmas for the BCRA. As it is reserves are either rising a minimal amount or reducing very slightly. Worrying times indeed. If only they could tap international debt markets...
Apr 24th, 2014 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 016. Wait until the YPF share sale is attached by NML so the xfer can't complete. I am sure CFK would love to have Singer on the YPF board!
Apr 24th, 2014 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tee hee
U$5b out and nothing to show for it.
That'll be fun to watch.
For: 8 paulcedron Apr 24th, 2014 - 12:05 pm
Apr 24th, 2014 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul,
I couldn’t agree more. Just have a look at some of my own previous comments on the matter, here:
http://londonprogressivejournal.com/user/view/1290
Nevertheless, to be fair, I reckon that far too many unfortunate, impoverished members of the Argentinean working classes –for whom I have every sympathy, especially the kids, elderly, infirm and particularly the indigent aborigines– are living in a halfway house for the hungry or –at the very least a Des(irable) Res(idence) for the Destitute– situated halfway between the EU and Sub-Saharan Africa.
However, “Mal de muchos consuelo de tontos” as the Hispanoparlantes so sagaciously say…
Meanwhile, the monstrous, money mad, International Bankers and their Multinational Corporate sidekicks are doing better than ever before. So they couldn’t give a FCUK –no good asking for help from that particular quarter, I’m afraid!
Cheers!
Jim, in Madrid.
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Apr 24th, 2014 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry for the typo. Devonshire’s wealth ought to have been quoted as ?
And you criticised me for misspelling hypocrite
All I did was to misspell hypocrite as [ HYPERCRITS.” ]
And you throw insults like-You great, steaming Neanderthal ignoramus
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But its ok for you to make an error-
SEVEN THOUSAND, EIGHT HUNDRED (7.8 BILLION) sterling.
Instead of
Sorry for the typo. Devonshire’s wealth ought to have been quoted as : “SEVEN THOUSAND, EIGHT HUNDRED MILLION (7.8 BILLION) sterling”, of course.
by Jim Handley
http://londonprogressivejournal.com/article/view/1779/eu-financial-help-for-the-uks-super-rich
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So what does that make you?
Yet I wouldn’t call you
-You great, steaming Neanderthal ignoramus
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And you still an old embitter old fool.
18 jim.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0agree
it is true that, at least in argentina, the big winners with the “nac & pop” policies and the “decada ganada”, have been the banks.
it is funny when you compare “el relato” (the ultra-kirchnerista discourse) and the reality.
Apparently, after a 16 hour session the Argentine congress has just approved a compensation payment to Repsol of $5bn.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Might this have something to do with it?
The Argentine Congress should be paying compensation to the widows of the dead , from the Falkland's war,
Apr 24th, 2014 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they deserve it more,
It makes me wonder if the Price Control basket was designed to be included in the INDEC figures: OOPS, I just remembered that is strictly against IMF rules!
Apr 24th, 2014 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps somebody should tell INDEC.
For: 19 Briton Apr 24th, 2014 - 06:04 pm.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re: “Sorry for the typo. Devonshire’s wealth ought to have been quoted...,” et cetera.
I’m awaiting an operation for cataracts and whilst I was writing the bit to which you refer, my glasses fell off my nose and on rising from my seat to look for them on the floor, I trod on them.
Anyway, I don’t really give a shite about a man’s apparent erudition nor a frigg about his implicit ignorance. It’s what’s in his heart that really matters.
And you Sir, whilst cowardly cowering behind the convenient anonymity of the overtly nationalistic pseudonym BRITON, presumptuously assumes the right to represent ALL your compatriots, which you certainly DO NOT, especially in my case! In fact, if I thought for one moment that a fallible, bloody-minded fellow such as you represented the quintessential British values, I’d go back to W. Africa and ask to become a member of the Igbo tribe. At least those fellows are brave enough to show their faces and fight for their rights, rather than hide behind the skirts of Mama Internet. Furthermore, they treat their elders and visiting strangers of GOOD WILL, with exquisite kindness and respect.
Incidentally, are you a member of the British National Party and is that where you get your “fixes” of jingoistic, hegemonic rhetoric? ‘Cos your offensive demeanour and language and toward those with whom you disagree certainly strikes yours truly as that of a closeted pseudo-Fascist...
Anyway, from the vacuous tenor of your last couple of messages to me, it seems that I’ve upset your little antiforeigner applecart and rattled your egoistic self-confidence...
Believe me, the last thing I wish, is to insult ANYONE whomsoever. But I feel that people with your sort of “aggressive attitude” should be fitted with steel collars and kept on a very tight leash. So I’ll shut up and bugger-off when I wish to do so –not when some wannabe jumped-up little tin pot dictator –BRITON or otherwise– orders me to do so!
Jim,
Jim you are a gas bag with nothing to offer.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Move along.
@ 24 JimHandley
Apr 24th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I’m awaiting an operation for cataracts and whilst I was writing the bit to which you refer, my glasses fell off my nose and on rising from my seat to look for them on the floor, I trod on them.”
So, you are making “excuses” for yourself but would not take the hints from the likes of me about Briton’s little problem with dyslexia other than to come back about you daughter who is also dyslexic. Shame on you! In the circumstances you should apologise to your daughter for dragging her into one of your poorly thought out rants.
The present diatribe is odious and without merit. Whether you take this advice or not, I will put it in the clearest of terms: PISS OFF, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE!
Poor Jim.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0old and bitter,
insults to cover up his own failures ,
And his childish reply shows this,
the insult went straight over my head,
you are a very sad old man, with a nasty chip on your shoulder
go away Jim, the likes of you are not welcome here,
and not one insult or spelling mistake was made, in creating this reply.
thanks
5 - Darragh.
Apr 24th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're extremely perceptive.
Well done on linking my tag name for a site where I comment on the Malvinas/falklands with a dictionary definition as follows 'small nonfunctioning remnant of a functional organ in an ancestor'.
Well gee whizz, what are the odds.
“Believe me, the last thing I wish, is to insult ANYONE whomsoever.”
Apr 25th, 2014 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You great, steaming Neanderthal ignoramus”
Perhaps Argentina needs a new government and a complete change of policies,
Apr 25th, 2014 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0After all, they have nothing to lose, and much to gain.
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as they say, en todos lados se cuecen habas.
Apr 27th, 2014 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sadly, it seems to be true that the uk is the third world country of europe.
“Welfare cuts drive UK's poorest families deeper into poverty, says Oxfam”
“The coalition's welfare cuts have pushed 1.75 million of the UK's poorest households deeper into poverty, leaving more families struggling to cover food and energy bills, according to a report.”
“The Trussell Trust, the UK's biggest food bank network, revealed that more than 900,000 people received food parcels in 2013-14, a 163% increase on the previous year. Its figures understated the likely level of people going hungry, it said.”
31,
Apr 27th, 2014 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we thinks you are reading far to many tabloids,
if your leader even for a moment thought that we were even slightly weaker,
then she would have invaded again by now, or at the very least got her mates to do it for her,
besides lets be logical here, with the world at CFKs beck and call, and the whole of south America ready and willing to stand side by side with you,
then we have no hope again a first world power like Argentina, do we,
so can we agree Monday morning perhaps, after we have had our breakfast,
or would you rather take it to the ICJ ..and be sensible..
@ 32 Briton
Apr 27th, 2014 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh you are cruel to little Paullita, expecting her to understand LOGIC.
Ha, ha, ha.
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Apr 28th, 2014 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0go back to your toilets cristina
That's not a nice way to talk about your president Cristina.
Apr 28th, 2014 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 035
Apr 28th, 2014 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0both cristinas deserve it
29 bushpilot Apr 25th, 2014 - 02:02 am
Apr 28th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re: “BELIEVE ME, THE LAST THING I WISH, IS TO INSULT ANYONE WHOMSOEVER.”
“YOU GREAT, STEAMING NEANDERTHAL IGNORAMUS”
In a cynical, typically Fascist attempt to manipulate FACT you try to get away with a barefaced LIE by quoting my remarks completely out of context.
Bushpilot, I do hope you’re not yet another illusitory incarnation of the formidably phantasmagorical Aussiesunshine. If so, we’ll surely be in for many more bombardments of your ‘pure propaganda’ leaflets.
Jim, in Madrid.
Aaah the fascist insult.
Apr 28th, 2014 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn!
For: 38 Anglotino Apr 28th, 2014 - 08:32 pm.
Apr 29th, 2014 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Re: “Aaah the fascist insult.
Yawn!”
Question, “If you find the message so boring, why take the trouble to reply?”
Answer: “Because in reality, the content of the query DOES perturb you in some way”.
Jim, in Madrid.
Nothing here peturbs me James, and certainly not your sporadic appearances on here. Nor the juvenile insults.
Apr 30th, 2014 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just find it comical that people feel so disempowered and ineffective that they have to reduce themselves to using fascism as an insult.
All you have proven is that Godwin's Law is just as applicable to an 82 year old as a teenage troll.
40 Anglotino Apr 30th, 2014 - 03:58 am.
Apr 30th, 2014 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re: “Godwin's Law
Godwin's Law definition
As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.” There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. HOWEVER THERE IS ALSO A WIDELY RECOGNISED CODICIL THAT ANY INTENTIONAL TRIGGERING OF GODWIN'S LAW IN ORDER TO INVOKE ITS THREAD-ENDING EFFECTS WILL BE UNSUCCESSFUL.”
On reflexion, it’s hardly surprising that nothing I say perturbs you, for you seem to be yet another of the unthinking masses who claims –from behind the mask of his daftly named incognito– that all the world’s problems may be easily solved by the application of a few old wives-style’ witticisms and facile sound bites. Perhaps that’s why we’re all STILL in an ever worsening mess?
Incidentally, in my message I didn’t mention Hitler, simply Fascists, who are also cowardly past masters in the use of assumed names –that is, until they gain power.
Jim, in Madrid.
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