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Malvinas Islands British occupation a 'latent threat' for Uruguay's defense policy
The Uruguayan government considers the British occupation of the Malvinas Islands as a 'latent threat' according to a work-paper with basic points of the country's defense policy and which is to be made public this week, some excerpts of which were advanced by the pro-government daily La Republica. Read full article
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May 05th, 2014 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Squeezed between giant Brazil and unstable Argentina, both of which have suffered military coups and juntas and both of which are in economic trouble, but it is the UK it is wary of.
Bahahahaha
Amateurs.
Cannabis legalisation is already working its magic.
May 05th, 2014 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW Uruguay if this is the sort of murderous communist your population thinks, in aggregate, is suitable for political office, it is your problem not the UK's or the Falkland Islanders'. Don't come crying to us when your neighbours starting Putin-ising the Plate.
At about 1200 miles away I don't blame Uruguay for being wary of Falklanders and their heavily armed long-range steath aqua-sheep.
May 05th, 2014 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Mujica and Fernandez Huidobro are very close friends since they started together in the urban guerrilla movement Tupamaros in the sixties, and also shared many years in jail. Once democracy returned to Uruguay, and both benefited of a general amnesty, they both worked in making the former guerrilla movement into a political force.”
May 05th, 2014 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and not one word about fellow SUPA TUPA “Stevie”.
Imagine that.
Daniel Filmus,
“From Buenos Aires Daniel Filmus, head of the Islas Malvinas affairs department at the Foreign ministry said that Uruguay's paper underlines that the “huge UK military presence in the Malvinas is not only of concern to Argentina but to all countries of the region”.
LOL, right, the UK ”arms race ” - 4 jets, 1,500 foot soldiers, and a monthly visit from the RN.
South America must be terrified of the military juggernaut on their doorstep.
Especially, Uruguay 1,000 miles away !!
It's a good thing they don't know about the reactor, too.
:-)
#2
May 05th, 2014 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct.
¡Ay, caramba!
Marijuana at one US dollar a gram, Fanny Huidobro is already off his head on his salary!
maybe for this joke of newspaper is a novelty that uruguay supports argentina.
May 05th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and it would be reciprocal.
putting aside the probs between both governments, the ties between uruguay and argentina are strong enough to overcome them.
Argentina wants to steal land that isn't theirs and the people trying to protect their land from being stolen are, “aggressors”.
May 05th, 2014 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You should let us steal your land peacefully”.
What a bunch of devious, lying, banana eating cavemen. There is no help for these people, none.
Does Argentina not abuse their little neighbor to the north? What a bunch of idiots to openly support the ones that squeeze their nuts whenever they can.
And the world moves miles ahead of these lying idiotas and they'll say that is an egregious misjustice against them too.
we have been here for 180 years, now all of a sudden we are a threat? Ha Ha Ha. What are you smoking you silly old argie supporting fool.
May 06th, 2014 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay, me thinks you think yourself a little more important than you really are. As nations go you're right up (or down) there with Mozambique and Bangladesh. It must be hard to be an impotent little wannabe regional player. I'm sorry for you. Now go back and jump in your master's lap, and let CFK scratch you behind the ears. You're a good little lapdog. You've done your job for the day. Now quit barking and maybe you'll get a tasty dog biscuit!
May 06th, 2014 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The rumour in Montevideo is that Fernández Huidobro has gone round the bend. This latest document is so ridiculous one can hardly think otherwise.
May 06th, 2014 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0As a Uruguayan, I feel a thousand times more threatened by Argentina than by the UK, let alone the Falkland Islands.
Great Britain has done NONE of the following:
1. Arranged for an international bridge to be picketed by mock-environmentalists for years.
2. Backtracked on agreements regarding the dredging of major international waterways.
3. Restricted cargo moving through Uruguayan ports.
4. Not allowed gas imports from Bolivia to be piped through its territory.
5. Put monetary restrictions in place to prevent its citizens visiting Uruguay or maintaining real estate in the country.
6. Dictated what foreign ships and aircraft can and cannot use Uruguayan ports and airports.
Historically, Great Britain has always defended Uruguay's independence. Argentina has always threatened it.
Uuuuuuppppsssss !!!!...and now?
May 06th, 2014 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is this just all so much lip service to Argentina's delusions?
May 06th, 2014 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0The more time Argentina wastes staring out into the Atlantic trying to spot the mythical Atlantis, the less time it spends bothering all of it's SA neighbors.
Is that what Uruguay is doing here? And the rest of SA? That would make more sense.
the rest of latin america?
May 06th, 2014 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Brasil dice que toda América Latina apoya a Argentina sobre las islas Malvinas”
http://www.elmundo.es/america/2012/01/18/argentina/1326912623.html
“Malvinas Islands British occupation a 'latent threat' for Uruguay's”
May 06th, 2014 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0More bad news for the British in Malvinas.
Sounds like a major brown nosing exercise in order to get something from cfk.
May 06th, 2014 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gobbledygook from Uruguay and, as was to be expected, from paulcedron and Marcos Alejandro. Are they all on the “wacky baccy”?
May 06th, 2014 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0“More bad news for the British in Malvinas”.
May 06th, 2014 - 05:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well at least they are British and still not Argentinean.
Still grasping at straws MoreCrap? The only 'latent threat' in that region is Argentina - as Uruguay knows full well :-)
May 06th, 2014 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Troy
May 06th, 2014 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0What do you want me to say?
Pepe says it.
Ñato says it.
The Uruguayan electorate says it (MPP is the biggest group within FA).
And still you don't believe us...
I can almost see the logic of it (which is scary in it's own right), having two big neighbours.
May 06th, 2014 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0With the best will in the world, Brazil is be sufficiently powerful to be barely slowed down by anything the Uruguayans might do to stop them, so there's not much point in worrying about it.
Argentina would probably break down or capsize before it could reach Uruguay, and even if it did then their stores are so small that they'd probably run out of ammunition before reaching Mercedes. There's no need to worry about them.
Paraguay is more than one country away, and has an army roughly half the size - no need to be concerned about them, for either reason.
They could worry about Chile, but they're also on the wrong side of the continent, and I'm unaware of any diplomatic nastyness between them.
That only leaves the Falklands, and their crack forces of amphibious attack penguins, plus a garrison that is only big enough to intimidate Argentina (four multirole fighters, two other fixed-wing aircraft, two helicopters, one offshore patrol vessel and about 1,500 people in uniform (NB this includes everyone in uniform, not 1,500 infantrymen)).
So, for 32 years this massive inglish 'strike force' - put in place to deter Argentine aggression - has gone completely unnoticed by these bananas...? Only now, they see it as a 'threat'!
May 06th, 2014 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0What incompetence; their Intelligence and Deference Departments needs one big shakeup. Sack'em all.
Marcos- have no idea why it may be bad news for the British who live in the Islands short term- have not asked any. but for the Falklands permanent population I do not understand what you say- Why should it bad news for us that a drugged up old fart says something totally stupid and irrelevant?
May 06th, 2014 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0We just laugh a bit and so such a pity his brain has got smoked out!
Yes, Uruguay should be terribly afraid of us.
May 06th, 2014 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0l might throw my freshly baked apple pies at them.
Poor Uruguayan people to put up with this rot from their government.
When our oil boom kicks off, we will no doubt buying lots of things from Uruguay.
lf they don't want our money(good hard Pounds & Dollars)we can always go elsewhere.
Think about it Eluetario.
It is a tragedy for Uruguay to have these old twats, illiterate and uneducated except for communist doctrines, to be in charge.
May 06th, 2014 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope you can all see now that what I have been saying, and what the idiot Stevie has been denying, is in fact the clear truth of the matter. Uruguay, a great country held back by the “poor” who, like turkeys, will never vote for Christmas and lose their money so we need to wait out the deaths of these political cretins called the government, before their vile stench can be swept away.
I cannot wait for Vasquez to be President even though the poor sod will have to deal with La Tronca (“No Money Pepe’s wife) who may be VP (but I hope not).
As for the Falklands and Britain being a threat it’s just idiotic and beyond belief that these clowns STILL have not learnt who the real threat has been, is now and will be forevermore: The Dark Country.
They are definitely on the hard stuff,
May 06th, 2014 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0still,
you do and say what CFK tells you to say, or else...
Just spluttered my tea everywhere at “huge UK military presence” !!
May 06th, 2014 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Imagine if the UK really, REALLY, wanted to 'militarise' the South Atlantic?
That lot would be hiding under their beds!
oh, this article is too funny, loll!
@23 Isolde
May 06th, 2014 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0But that would surely be classed as a “biological weapon” (if your apple pies are anything like MrsU's then that might not be too far from the truth)
I wanted one of Isolde's apple pies!!!!!
May 06th, 2014 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*stamps foot, sulks*
So one squaddies is worth a 1000 south american soldiers ?
May 06th, 2014 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guess the ric is really a threat to the whole of south anerica.
The only thing holding back the tide of death and mayhem. Is argentina invade argentina and you've just conquered argentina you get to fix it.
That would deter anyone :)
This is the key issue from the continental and strategic point of view.
May 06th, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The presence of 2,000 islanders who claim to be part of the British Crown in an isolated Island of the South Atlantic can be so nice, and attractive, from the touristic point of view as a German village in a hill of the Province of Cordoba or a Scandinavian village in the Patagonia.
But when a military base with capability of operating all along the Continent is operated by the United Kingdom, when the same country promotes, and achieved, a political division of the South American continent and when it is trying to exploit non-renewable resources, the matter becomes more dangerous and it’s longer anecdotal.
The countries of the South Atlantic look with distrust, and dislike, an extra-continental nation willing to exert its economic, diplomatic and military power in the region.
So, Brazil and Uruguay, governed by people with future criteria have already expressing their dislikes with this situation.
Argentina, to the contrary, ruled by a corrupt leading class without any criteria, or mental clarity, only repeat stupid slogans and plunge the country more, and more, in backwardness and poverty.
That is the only advantage that the UK has in the region: the ineptitude of the Argentine ruling class. If this changes it will be more safe and beneficial for everyone in the region but it will also make more difficult for the UK to maintain the current status.
ynsere
May 06th, 2014 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Historically, Great Britain has always defended Uruguay's independence. Argentina has always threatened it.”
You mean like when GB occupied Montevideo 1807 in their way to Buenos Aires?
Who got rid of the Brits back then, you say?
Uruguay was indeed independent 1825 (1828), but the struggle for independence happened long before. How can you classify an invasion of the capital city as any kind of defence for the cause?
And again, why did the Brits leave Montevideo, you say?
I like the fact they used 'latent' which means lying dormant or inactive. Basically means its only becomes a threat if the status quo changes
May 06th, 2014 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Don't you mean “for these jokes of ”countries“ it's a novelty to have incompetent, useless uruguay openly supporting criminal, genocidal argieland. How amazing that dumbo uruguay has finally seen the British defence forces on the Falkland Islands as a ”threat“ after 30 years. Yep, 30 years ago, 2 years after the illegal argie invasion and occupation, uruguay finally wakes up and does what it's told by the murderers of argieland. I think we can happily assume that uruguay and argieland are one place. Equally criminal. Equally guilty.
May 06th, 2014 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 Hahahahaha. Here are some headlines outlining bad news for British in Falklands. ”Boy Scouts go “on strike” and refuse to fish without pay“. ”Girl Guides go “on strike” and refuse househod chores“. ”Beer running low, may have to drink scotch“. ”Oil slick may miss argieland“. ”CFK still alive“. These represent BAD news. ”Little uruguay thinks about throwing its little teddy out of its pram“ just doesn't make it.
@19 Ah yes, the drug-crazed ”Pepe” says it. Who? You know, the one with the poppy fields concealed amongst the chrysanthemums. The Uruguayan electorate says it (MPP is the biggest group within FA). Who? A bunch of halfwits without the sense to keep argies out of their country. Ñato says it. You need to explain that. What's Ñato? We know about NATO.
@23 Despite the additional expense, you should avoid buying anything from any country that has sought to infringe on your sovereignty. Unless they beg permission for their “governments” to visit, publicly abase themselves and beg for mercy and forgiveness. By “abase”, I mean down flat on their bellies with their faces in the mud! The UK now has the aircraft to fly to the Falklands without stopping.
@26 I have to admit that I don't see why we don't “mothball” military equipment on the Falklands. 158 Challenger 2 MBTs for a start. Instead of scrapping RN vessels, send them to the Falklands. Skeleton manoeuvering crews, full gun crews. RAF Tornados for air defence!
Without Argentina's belligerence there would be few, if any, soldiers on the islands to defend them.
May 06th, 2014 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay's 'latent threat' is entirely of Argentina's making.
Perhaps he can ask Cristina to go away.
@30
May 06th, 2014 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arrrrh the rising whiff of oil...
2000 english speaking islanders, minding their own business, threaten the whole of S.America? Lol. We all know the troops present no threat to anyone - unless provoked; Argentina put them there in the first place, never let it be forgotten.
@35
May 06th, 2014 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Arrrrh the rising whiff of oil...” I'm pretty sure that Vernet knew about Oil, that's why he became Governor of the Islands....
“We all know the troops present no threat to anyone”...the same as the Russian troops don't represnet any threat in Ucrania, both, the North Korean and Iranian, nuclear programs are not a threat to anyone, and the soviet missiles didn't represent any threat to the USA when they were deployed in Cuba.
By the way, the air NATO attacks in Libya were part of a “freedom fight” against tyrany..not influenced by the presence of Oil...
Mr. Fernandez H., who is a camouflaged malvinazi, should be deported to Martin Garcia Island, which is situated in Argentinian territory (?).
May 06th, 2014 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Rather than being latent threat, presence of the base may serve to provide a stabilizing factor given the latent threat of border disputes.
May 06th, 2014 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38
May 06th, 2014 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So following your reasoning the deployment of nuclear waepons in the Islands by the UK and the developement of argentine nuclear weapons in the Continent would bring more stable borders.
Pure Cold War reasoning.....it might work...who knows...
@39
May 06th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your dysfunctional logic is so typical of your country.
The only aggressor in this region over the last 150 years has been Argentina.
To actually have the audacity to defend against your threats and instability, then its the victims fault!
@40
May 06th, 2014 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina took part in only ONE war during the last 150 years.
The UK took part in so many wars that I cannot count them during the same period of time.
In addition, it is true that in EVERY and ALL these wars the UK had always been fighting for freedom (on the right side)....so its quite clear that Argentina is an agressive country while the UK, to the contrary, is quite a peacefull one.
Taking this into account......Why would the South Americans (and mainly South Atlantic) countries want to have the UK far away, very far away, from the region?......it's just a nonsense !!!!
@41
May 06th, 2014 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again, never let it be forgotten; the reason Mount Pleasant AFB exists is because of a recent act of unprovoked Argentine aggression. Again, unprovoked Argentine aggression. Militarisation, jees how many troops and land mines did you people invade with in 82?
This whole NATO beachhead to Latin America nonsense is just another mad gambit to divert attention from FIG to the UK. The self determination of the islanders and their mature institutions and governance scares the hell out of you. You so want to ostracize them, pretend they don't exist, are a non-people, implanted..... Ever thought of sending teddy bears instead of insults?
To imply that it is okay for people from Southern Europe to colonise South America but not okay for Northern Europeans to colonise the a Falklands is simply racist.
May 06th, 2014 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42
May 06th, 2014 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have never questioned that the islanders institutions. I have never wrote either that the Islanders don't exist or that they are non-people.
Even with my differences with the current Argentine Government I must admit that they never mentioned that the Islanders don't exist.
@43
Argentina is a mix of mainly European inmigrnats. So I would not consider that your comment takes into account the actual ethnical origins of most of the Argentine population.
But, let's do not divert the discussion. Do not forget that the article is about an official file of the Defense Ministry of Uruguay. This is the topic. Why do you think either Brazil or Uruguay, consider the UK militar base a threat to them?
@ 31 Stevie
May 06th, 2014 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The flag of which nation was flying in Montevideo in 1807? I believe it was Spain, wasn't it? So what does that have to do with this discussion?
@44 pgerman
May 06th, 2014 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0>Why do you think either Brazil or Uruguay, consider the UK militar base a threat to them?
That's a very good question. Why do they? Because, the article, as far as I can see, doesn't suggest that the base constitutes a threat to either of them. The implication seems to be rather that the ongoing Falklands conflict constitutes a potential threat to peace in the region, which strikes me as being a) true and b) just the ind of thing you would expect a responsible military planner to be taking into account.
It is a long way from this to suggest that the existence of UK possessions in the South Atlantic and the presence of a whole 4 aeroplanes somehow constitutes a direct threat to Uruguay or anybody else, latent or otherwise.
Morocco is closer to the UK, than the Falkland Islands are to Uruguay...
May 06th, 2014 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Dear HansNiesund...nice to hear about you.
May 06th, 2014 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's your interpretatiuon. It could be right but, if you have the chance to read a more extended article about this topic you will notice that the concept is different.
Bascially, I insist with the idea (I have been discussing this with some brazilian people too):
The presence of 2,000 islanders who claim to be part of the British Crown in an isolated Island of the South Atlantic might be scenic, and colorful, but when a military base with capability of operating along the Continent is deployed the matter becomes unconfortable and it’s no longer anecdotal.
The countries of the South Atlantic look with distrust, and dislike, an extra-continental nation willing to exert its economic, diplomatic and military power in the region.
Brazil and Uruguay are governed by people with some future criteria have already expressing their dislikes with this situation.
It's not about four planes (by the way these plases are much modern that all the planes in the continent..so they are no so inocent). It's about a militar base with modern batlleships, submarines.
What's more, it's about the UK willing to rule in the region. Who want¿s that in the South Atlantic Ocean?...Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina not for sure.
I might be worng but that's my interpretation.
48. I think you'd pretty close to being clinically diagnosed paranoid if you thought the UK was trying to “rule in the region”.
May 06th, 2014 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem we have is we cant force you how to think. If you irrationally want to continue to perceive the UK as your enemy then that's on you. Let me re emphasise that comes from a problem within you. We're not your enemy, we're your neighbour and if you just thought about it properly we're a really great neighbour to have. Uruguay would certainly be a lot better off if the UK was it's big neighbour to the South and not the Kleptocratic republic of Argentina. But like I say I cant tell and idiot what to think I can only make of fun of him for thinking it.
”48 pgerman...
May 06th, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a simple question, why is there a military base on the Falklands and for what purpose? Then tell us what it would take for the islanders to feel safe and the UK to demilitarize completely the island, can you do that?
I think then you may find the answer to your problem.
@6 paulcedron
May 06th, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The current Uruguayan leadership may support Argentina over the Falklands.
However it’s quite clear that not all Uruguayan politicians, much less the Uruguayan people, support Argentina, in anything.
Take your boot of their neck and you will find out how they really feel about you.
@14 Marcos Alejandro
Surly you mean more bad news for Argentina.
Other S American countries realising were are serious about this, works for us.
@30 pgerman
You are confusing (deliberately I think) S. America, with the S. Atlantic.
In S. America the British are “an extra-continental nation”.
In the S. Atlantic the British are, and historically always have been, the inhabitants.
In the S. Atlantic it’s you S. Americans that are the foreigners.
@31 Stevie
How can it be, “an invasion of the capital city”, when the country it is supposed to be capital of, does not yet exist.
@43 Brit Bob
Nail on the Head.
Italians, speaking bad Spanish, occupying S. America having annihilated the native inhabitants, is fine.
Brits who took S. Atlantic from no one, and have been there just as long, are considered a threat.
And they wonder why we point missiles at them.
pgerman
May 06th, 2014 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are those defences there?
Oh yes, it's because Argentina tried to take what wasn't theirs, by force, and to ethnically cleanse the islands.
I remember that very well.
And only a fool would truly believe that these defensive assets are a threat to South America. I mean why would the UK want to attack South America? We aren't your enemies, we don't want South America, and we generally don't give a damn what any of your tinpot delusional leaders think (beyond laughing at their immense ability to humiliate themselves and their respective countries on the international stage).
And every sovereign nation on earth has the right to station whatever military assets it deems necessary to defend their territory.
The only time those defences would be used against any South America is IF any South American was STUPID enough to try and attack the Islands.
Then those South Americans would learn very quickly just how offensive and aggressive the British can become.
The UK puts the MINIMUM amount of forces on the Islands to protect them from Argentina's imperialistic aggressive colonial ambitions.
Just why do these South American leaders feel they have to humiliate themselves and their countries on the international stage by basically saying that the UK's minimal defences are enough to hold off the combined forces of several South American nations!
It's hilarious. And there are no battleships based permanently in the Falklands, and there are no submarines, except for those in Argentina's fevered and demented imagination. And there are no nuclear weapons there either.
I mean, why bother stationing nuclear weapons on the Islands, when the UK could easily launch them from the UK and still hit any target they wished in South America?
Again more delusions from your delusional leader.
Remember the UK has 6 DEATH STARS TOO!!!
I mean the rest of the world must be quaking in their boots at the thought of those.
You're becoming as big a joke as your deluded leader.
@48
May 06th, 2014 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm actually quite flattered that we are terrorising an entire continent with our South Atlantic Death Star, but this is just plan silly. Nobody can conduct any form of aggression with 1500 people, 4 aeroplanes, and the occasionally visiting warship.
As Brit Bob said in @43, the clear implication of the rest of it is that the UK has no business in the South Atlantic, although we have in fact been there longer than most of the predominantly Italo-Iberian countries of South America have existed.
Why is it exactly that the presence of people of British origin in the South Atlantic is illegitimate?
Let's see...
May 06th, 2014 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982 there was virtually no UK military presence in the region.
The Argentines invaded, planted unmapped minefields, used the population as a human shield, and attempted to colonise the islands against the will of the people.
The lack of defence of the islands cost 1000 lives.
Since the islands have been defended properly...no lives have been lost.
At no time has Aegentine apologised, regretted, retracted or ceased in their claim of the islands, indeed their only regret is that they are now defended.
So, whether Uruguay, Brazil or outer Mongolia don't like the islands being defended.....tough shit....they are and will continue to be.
If anyone can point to a single shred of aggression coming from the UK base in the South Atlantic, a single shred of evidence that they are there for any other purpose than defending the rights of the islanders to peace , please provide it...
Oh...there is none.
I shouldn't take what the elderly gentleman has to say too seriously. He hasn't got the largest of wikipedia entries. I'll paraphrase “Former Guerilla, spent most of the 70's and 80's in jail, very old, very odd, very confused, slight smell of wee”. :-)
May 06th, 2014 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 Dear HansNiesund,
May 06th, 2014 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0¿“The clear implication of the rest of it is that the UK has no business in the South Atlantic”?
Yes. The fact is that the UK was never recognized as a political entity with sovereign territory in the area. It has never been part of the OEA, OELA, TIAR treaty, etc.
In addition, I have never listened about the intention of the UK as being part of these institutions. So, the UK is out of the political, and diplomatic, activity in the region. Don't ask me why. That's a fact.
In this discussion, I believe that's logical consider the thoughts of just three countries that are, let's say, the “South Atlantic Oceanic” countries. They are Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina. So I would not consider the rest of the South American countries.
This official file, seesm to be in line with both, the uruguayan and brazilian, refusal to accept British battle-ships in their ports. If the presence of RN ships is so inocent...Why they cannot call in Uruguayan or Brazilian ships?
This article (and topic) is not about Argentina, the war, the argentine government (TG this time), or any other issue sourced from Argentina. It's about the uruguayan goverment.
So, it would be great to read your comments trying to understand the reasons of such URUGUAYAN official file. That it's not only an offcial file, it's an official file of the Defense Minister released to the public.
Utter rubbish,
May 06th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0both Argentina and brazil have more military in the south Atlantic than the British do,
the argument is silly at best or indoctrinated at its worst,
they the British are simply there to defend what you want to steal, full stop.
@56
May 06th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But that's exactly it. I'm trying to understand what Uruguay's problem actually is. I find it hard to believe, for example, that the Uruguayan Defence Ministry is so incompetent that it considers the limited UK military presence in the Falklands sufficient for any act of aggression against Uruguay, or that the Uruguayan Foreign Ministry is so incompetent that it has identified some kind of credible aggressive posture on the part of the UK towards South American Continent.
And Brazil even less so.
Obviously enough, they have to pay homage to She Who Must Be Obeyed Down South, but there seems to me more to it than that. In this respect, I'm struck by the use of the term “extra-regional”. If we're talking about “the South Atlantic Oceanic” countries, as you call the, then clearly the UK isn't extra-regional at all, it has been part of the region for centuries. It's only “extra-regional” in the sense that it has a different cultural and ethnic composition to the rest of the origin.
I've noticed on this site, in fact, that this kind of ethnically based hostility is particularly prevalent among that part of the political spectrum which thinks of itself as being on the left, but in terms of tolerance and enlightenment is somewhere to the right of barbed wire and electrodes.
So what I'm wondering, former Tupas and all, is to what extent this ethnic element is driving Uruguayan policy?
threat' for Uruguay's defense policy
May 06th, 2014 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if this is the case, then he should tell the British government why he thinks the UK is a danger to him, perhaps he can inform the UN ,
just saying it is not good enough,
besides Uruguay's defence policy is a threat to the UK independence,
and we feel threatened by them....lol
@58
May 06th, 2014 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina traditionally there have always been two trends.
The liberals, who organized the country and ruled it since it's independence to the 30's, and the nacionalists who (some of them) ruled the country since the 30's. For those who, we can clasified as nacionalist (in most of the cases peronist are of this kind) the ethnic background might be an issue since they have always vindicated the spanish and catholic origins as a “value” to be promoted.
In addition, promoted by the liberals Argentina received milliones of Europeans inmigrants (of any background) who shaped the society as a “multi-european” society.
Uruguay has always been quite a liberal country so I would not consider an ethnical issue here.
What's more Canada and Guyana also belong to the OEA. DO you know whether the UK has never been included in any of the SA diplomatic activities?
@60
May 06th, 2014 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Permanent observer at the OAS is about is, as far as I know, Like Malta and Azerbaijan it seems.
But there's an interesting thought: UK to apply for membership of OAS.
If anything, the UK has gone out of it's way to have a purely defensive force in the Falklands. The four Typhoons are configured as interceptors and not ground attack, the helicopter is mainly for air/sea rescue butalso could be configured for anti submarine use. The Type 45's are designed to destroy incoming aircraft - I can't see why Uruguayan minister are getting hot under the collar unless he's on a promise from Crissy if he sticks his oar in!
May 06th, 2014 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 056 pgerman
May 06th, 2014 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HN: ¿“The clear implication of the rest of it is that the UK has no business in the South Atlantic”?
PG: Yes. The fact is that the UK was never recognized as a political entity with sovereign territory in the area.
DB: This isn’t quite true, even if you insert ‘by South American countries’ after ‘recognized’. Chile had a consulate in Stanley from 1877 to the 1950s.
PG: It has never been part of the OEA(DB: OAS in English), OELA(DB: Organización de Estados Latinoamericanos? Is there such a body?), TIAR treaty, etc.
-In addition, I have never listened about the intention of the UK as being part of these institutions. So, the UK is out of the political, and diplomatic, activity in the region. Don't ask me why. That's a fact.
DB: How can the UK be part of bodies whose membership is not open to all territories in the Americas, but only those territories that are sovereign states? But the UK does have observer status at the OAS. You seem to be confusing bodies, whose membership is limited to sovereign states of the Americas, with the Americas as a whole, which also includes non sovereign territories.
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May 06th, 2014 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Is this just all so much lip service to Argentina's delusions?”
It's pure lip service. Trust me. Mujica and his government are everything but supporters of CFK.
That's why they're building a new port with Brasilian help, a port that will change Uruguay dramatically. Some of the events ynsere wrote will never happen again.
pgerman,
May 06th, 2014 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some corrections:
1 we are 3000 not 2000
2 UK Govt does not carry out any economic activity in the area - all economic activity on and offshore is carried out from the Falklands, some onshore companies are UK and other country commercially based yes - same as not every company in Argentina is Argentine based and controlled! and in the case of offshore- all companies are 100% under the control of the Falkland Islands Govt. in what they do and how they do it.
3- Military Threat to S American nations?!!!!!!!! 4 air to air fighters which do NOT have proper ground attack capability.
150 army soldiers
1 small patrol ship with one 30mm gun on the front.
And that scares a South American Country????????????
The rest- radar and surface to air short range missiles are defensive - a bit difficult to use them for Offensive!
And that is all the British military forces have in the Islands - yes a submarine occasionally patrols - so do ones from USA - Russia and China at times most likely - why are they also not being called a “threat”?
UK Naval vessels not calling at the Falklands can visit Brazil-Uruguay and southern Chile- they have been to Valparaiso though.. One of those that often calls here DOES visit Uruguay at least once a year anyway!
Destroyers and Frigates that occasionally patrol here regularly visit other S American countries though!
And if you claim the K Govt has never said we do not exist - then why when they want to get their National carrier AA to fly here - do they only ask in
London for a permit and not to the Govt of the regulating country they wish to fly to - the Falkland Islands Govt in Port Stanley?
And why did your Foreign Minister refuse a year ago to meet the Br Foreign Secretary in London to talk about the Islands? I will tell you - he was scared to be seen sitting down with 2 elected Islands Govt representatives as in his book they did not exist.
@60 pgerman,
May 06th, 2014 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares what you think? Not us, thats for sure.
l would like to see MORE troops, aircraft, ships etc based in the Falklands.
lts our territory & we will do as we like on OUR territory.
You say that SA feels threatened by our forces…
We feel threatened by SA forces.
Argentina & its allies have many more men & equipment than we have.
lf you think that the UK is going to listen to you idiots & withdraw, so leaving us undefended, then you are stupider than we think.
lf we were undefended, the Argentines would be here within minutes of the last British soldier leaving.
You must give us credit for SOME intelligence!
btw- did Argentina or Uruguay feel threatened in 1914 by the large British Naval Squadron, at Stanley?
lf not, then what has changed.
lf you did, then why didn't you complain.
You are full of it, pgerman.
@ 65 Islander1
May 06th, 2014 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“1 small patrol ship with one 30mm gun on the front”
This “little gun”, if it is as I suspect a Rardon Cannon, can easily put a tungsten projectile through the side of an argie ship’s superstructure from one side to the other.
The latest load in a smooth bore barrel can reach 4,000 M/sec at the muzzle. It may not be heavy but the kinetic energy equation of one half the mass (weight if you like) multiplied by the velocity SQUARED really does the business down range.
Each room it “flashed” through would be set on fire, which includes all persons in the room!
I don’t blame any argie for being wary of that.
@67
May 06th, 2014 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're terrifying an entire continent. One of them's bound to report you to the UN.
If you aren't careful the UN will send you a strongly worded letter!
May 07th, 2014 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't mess with the UK Death Star!
May 07th, 2014 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jeje!
LOL! Yeah clearly UK is the nation that Uruguay is most likely to have border problems with.
May 07th, 2014 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also an arms race sort of requires both sides to be armed...
#71
May 07th, 2014 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll just say one word .... Suarez
or maybe for words .... Suarez, Forlan, Cavani, Rodriguez.
Uruguay's is trying to bully the British Falkland's , and great Britain, bullies they are, total bullies ..lol
May 07th, 2014 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British presence on the Falkland Islands is a major factor in preventing conflict in the region and assuring Uruguays security as while Argentina feels it needs its neighbours support in its propaganda war against the Falkland Islanders, it is less likely to invade, menace or threaten its neighbours.
May 07th, 2014 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0upppssss.....the parrots have already started screaming, and this itme it seems that they became quite aggressive and attack in flocks !!!!
May 07th, 2014 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But ... It's not my fault that the Uruguayan Government considers the military base of a threat to the peace in the South Atlantic Ocean. It's not my fault that the UK has never been part of the OAS.
No way....“islander parrots” resemble, each time more, and more, to Peronists. Quite logical taking into account that they are all fanatics.
Be afraid, be very afraid. ...
May 07th, 2014 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the FIG is now equipped with. .....
..... intercontinental supersonic nuclear armed stealth penguins!
Mwaaahahaha!
*retires to stroke fluffy white cat in a sinister manner*
Uruguay's
May 07th, 2014 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Military assets in the south atlantic.
Since relations with Argentina are considered a priority, Uruguay denies clearance to British naval vessels bound for the Falkland Islands, and prevents them from calling in at Uruguayan territories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay#Military
ROU 01 Uruguay
João Belo
Frigate
ROU 02 Cte. Pedro Campbell
João Belo
Frigate
ROU 04 General Artigas
Lüneburg (E)
Replenishment
ROU 10 Colonia
Cape (A)
Patrol boat
ROU 11 Río Negro
Cape (C)
Patrol boat
ROU 12 Paysandú
Paysandú Patrol boat
ROU 20 Capitán Miranda Hydrographic Schooner
ESNAL Bonanza Oceanic sail boat Schooner
ROU 21 Sirius Balizador Buoy tender
ROU 22 Oyarvide Helgoland
Survey ship
ROU 23 Maldonado
Wangerooge (B)
Salvage tug
ROU 26 Vanguardia Piast
Salvage tug
ROU 27 Banco Ortiz Type 270
Costal tug
ROU 42 LADES Landing Ship
ROU 46 LADES Landing Ship
ROU 31 Temerario Kondor II
Minesweeper
ROU 33 Fortuna Kondor II Minesweeper
ROU 34 Audaz Kondor II Minesweeper
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Air force,
Cessna A-37 Dragonfly
attack/fighter A-37B 4 (16 delivered)
FMA IA 58 Pucará
attack A-58 5 (6 delivered)
Lockheed C-130 Hercules
transport/utility C-130B 2
Embraer EMB 110 Bandeirante
transport/utility C-95 3
Beechcraft Twin Bonanza
transport/utility D50 1
CASA C-212 Aviocar
transport C-212-200/MP 4
Embraer EMB 120 Brasilia
transport EMB 120 1
Cessna 206 Stationair
utility/liaison U206H 10
Beechcraft B58 Baron
trainer/liaison B-58 2
Aermacchi SF.260
trainer T-260 EU 12
Pilatus PC-7 Turbo Trainer
trainer/attack AT-92 4 (6 delivered)
Cessna T-41 Mescalero
trainer T-41D 7
Aerospatiale AS 365 Dauphin
liaison/transport AS 365 1
Bell 212 Twin Huey
transport/utility Bell 212 4
Bell UH-1 Iroquois
transport/utility UH-1H 6
The Army consists of some 15,000 personnel .
And you are frightened of us,
yet you have militarised it ok..
All I ever here is about the British base on the Falklands and how much of a threat it is to South America, please tell me what about the French bases? or the Dutch? Both are members of NATO LOL Oh in case any one disbelieves that such bases exist here is a bit of info on them :-)
May 07th, 2014 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0French Guiana
French forces
The commander of the French armed forces in French Guiana since July 2009 has been General Jean-Pierre Hestin.
The military there is currently 1,900 strong, expected to increase enrollment in 2014–2015.
Among the military, police and security forces in French Guiana, are the following:
The 3rd Foreign Infantry Regiment (3e REI) of Kourou (Legion).
The 9th Marine Regiment (9e RIMa) of Cayenne, the Madeleine.
A French Air Force platoon based at the Rochambeau 367 airport.
The platoon of the French Navy, based at the naval base of Dégrad des Cannes.
Aruba
The Netherlands Military forces that protect Aruba include
The Royal Netherlands Navy who have bases in Curacao & Savaneta
The Netherlands Marine Corps (The 32nd Company)
Dutch Caribbean Coastguard, they have armed cutters
They also can call upon a Frigate
Very interesting about the French and Dutch forces....
May 07th, 2014 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63 dab14763
May 07th, 2014 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why was the Chilean consulate in Stanley closed during the 1950s?
@78
The article reflects a file released by the ROU Defense Ministry. That's the issue.
So, then.....Why do you think the Uruguayan Minister considered the British FI garrizon a threat?
Why do you think both, Brazil and Uruguay, deny RN ships the access to their ports?
In addition, why do you think the UK doesn't belong to the OEA (OAS)?
Would you find it hard to understand that the UK is considered an “extra-zone” power provided it has never wanted to have an active participation in the diplomacy of the region?
I would add that firstly choosing to have the UK as an enemy is so stupid on so many levels. Firstly it confirms every stereotype we have about the Latin American mindset. Your either paranoid or you have a pretty weak grasp on reality. Secondly if your going to go out in the world to pick an enemy don't pick the British. We're pretty much invulnerable to any sort of threat that could be generated by ALL of South America combined and if you ever crossed the line where it was worth our while to seriously mess with you we really could. We currently only spend 2.2 % of our GDP on defence. Imagine what we could do if we spent a little less on Health and Social Security and instead increased defence spending that to 5%. We'd pose a threat which would be totally off the scale for all of South America to deal with. So for those who would want to define the UK as an enemy I would darkly offer the following advice “Be careful what you wish for...”
May 07th, 2014 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A threat which would be totally off the scale for all of South America to deal with”....where did you take this sentence?
May 07th, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems taken from the document of the Uruguayan Defense Ministry under discussion. So, Uruguay is not that wrong after all....
When in the near future the British military foot print in theatre increases, which it inevitably will, for many reasons, not least having to repaint “the blue pampas” pink again.
May 07th, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will really sh*t themselves, toilet paper will become as scarce as in Venezuela.
82. My aim wasn't to paint you as our enemy my aim was to show you the consequences if you unwisely chose to make yourselves our enemy. We're not a threat to you. We're mostly not even interested in you. However it's a really bad idea to start lining us up as our enemy because we might have to respond in kind. Our armed forces are technically and qualitatively superior to anything in South America. We have the ability to project power to South America. South America does not have the ability to project power back to the UK. That ability to project power would even exist even if we didn't possess the Falkland Islands.
May 07th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm getting tired of pointing out the absurdity of the Latin American mindset of needlessly looking for an enemy which doesn't exist and then choosing one who if provoked could “rip both your arms of and beat you with the sticky ends”. If your looking for a non existent enemy to rant against in order to make yourselves feel big and important couldn't you choose one which is a little bit closer to the equivalent stature of your own country like Luxembourg or Belgium or Croydon or something.....:-)
And if the nice polite honest trustworthy pirates are a treat,
May 07th, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what abt the America military in south America,
yes they are their as you well know,
the Americans even have military personnel in ARGENTINA.
hypocrites we say--hypocrites....
“Our armed forces are technically and qualitatively superior to anything in South America. We have the ability to project power to South America.”...in Argentina (and the rest of spanish speaking countries, Uruguay included) there is a saying that means (more or less) “do not clarify that it get darker”.
May 07th, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And eye repeat.
May 07th, 2014 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if the nice polite honest trustworthy British pirates are a threat,
what abt the America military in south America,
yes they are there as you well know,
the Americans even have military personnel in ARGENTINA.
hypocrites we say--hypocrites....
Next you will be telling us, Iceland or Andorra
feels threatened by us, and they live a lot closer…
Just anti British and greed, that all it was,
And that’s all it
.
To imply that it is okay for people from Southern Europe to colonize South America but not okay for people from Northern Europe to colonize the Falkland Islands is simply racist.
May 07th, 2014 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0US Clears Harpoon Missile Sale to Brazil
May 07th, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140506/DEFREG/305060032/US-Clears-Harpoon-Missile-Sale-Brazil
Brazil requested 16 AGM-84L Harpoon Block II Missiles, four CATM-84L Harpoon Block II Captive Air Training Missiles
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Uruguay to sign agreement with Brazil to boost the naval construction industry
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140506/DEFREG/305060032/US-Clears-Harpoon-Missile-Sale-Brazil
Uruguay and Brazil will be signing this month an agreement to promote the development of Uruguay's naval construction
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In the fiscal year 2010, the United States provided Uruguay with $1.7 million in military assistance, including $1 million in Foreign Military Financing and $480,000 in International Military Education and Training.[29]
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140506/DEFREG/305060032/US-Clears-Harpoon-Missile-Sale-Brazil
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All designed to frighten the pirates perhaps,
or at least the penguin's...lol
86. Your absolutely right. We're a threat to Uruguay but only in the same way that we're a threat to Denmark or to Sri Lanka or Thailand. Yet strangely Denmark, Sri Lanka or Thailand don't feel threatened by us but strangely you do. The UK cant help being militarily more powerful than the countries in South America. There are certain benefits you accrue from being an island nation with the world's 6th largest economy. It means that you can spend a larger proportion of your defence resources on your navy rather than your army because ultimately its the navy which will be more successful in stopping you from being invaded. The side effect of that is that possession of a largish navy also gives you the ability to project power more than a typical continental power. That fact doesn't necessarily make us more aggressive or a threat to South America. Its just who we are. If you want a more accurate approximation of our aims and interests try this on size. Whilst we have the world's 4th largest defence budget we also have world's 2nd largest overseas aid budget some of which is spent in South America. We're also a founding member of United Nations and the International Court of Justice and numerous other international bodies. We're hardly the South American version of Ghengis Khan. So with all this in mind and before you embarrass yourself further please try and understand the difference between being threatened and merely being frightened.
May 07th, 2014 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This nonsense will all be sorted when Vasquez gets the Presidency.
May 07th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@90 Cognito,
May 07th, 2014 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are all Prima Donnas, Drama Queens & actors.
Look at their football antics,
A storm in a teacup becomes a raging typhoon to them.
The serious ones are trying to embarrass the UK so that it withdraws its forces from the Falklands.
The attitude is that its ok to moan, complain, lie, cheat & steal, just as long as you win.
Winning, not fair play, is everything.
Any weakness is pounced upon.
lts really a clash of cultures.
And should have been nipped in the bud long ago.
JMO
@90
May 07th, 2014 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reading your posts and comments I feel that some of you are really quite furious.
But not because of any threat to the Islands. It is just because someone else, apart from Argentina, said “hey, I don't like having this powerful guys there”.
Brazil, Uruguay and other countries of South America are currently refusing RN ships the entrance to their ports. And now this, in the very same direction......an official document of a third party.....sometimes
......sometimes, it is hard to accept that we are not so nice, and not so welcome, as we have always believed !!!!
Some of you will insist, “I don't care what you, pgerman, think”..or “we don't care what these poor countries can say or think about us”. It's the same as when you write “the Argentine government current attitudes don't harm us, to the contrary they make us stronger”.
Taking into accoutn the quantity of post, and nature of them, it seems that you are as surprised as I am with the Uruguayan attitude. With different feelings.
@93
May 07th, 2014 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before you get too carried away, I'd suggest you actually read the document.
It nowhere states that the UK constitutes any kind of threat towards Uruguay, it states that the Falklands conflict impacts negatively on the South Atlantic as a zone of peace and cooperation. Which is no more than a statement of the bleeding obvious.
There is no mention of the UK's South Atlantic Death Star, its Golden Horde, its ICBM complex, NATO base, nuclear submarines, uranium tipped penguins, weapons of mass destruction, or message board piss takers, and no mention of any defensive measures to be taken against them.
http://archivo.presidencia.gub.uy/sci/decretos/2014/04/mdn_3578.pdf
Business as usual.
93. Furious? Absolutely not that would be very Un British. If that what's you perceived I guess there is a clash of cultures going on here. This story isn't nearly important enough to get past my mildly irritated threshold. I'm just appalled at the infantile Latin American mindset. It really is like arguing with children and just as pointless. So if you want to be frightened of the big, bad British please feel free. I just feel terribly sorry for you.However I'm not entirely sure Brazil feels quite the same:
May 07th, 2014 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/News-and-Events/Latest-News/2014/February/26/140226-Head-of-Brazilian-Navy-visit
95
May 08th, 2014 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Except Argentina, Bolivia or Venezuela, mainly Argentina, no one - I repeat: no one - in South America has any problem with the UK. Certainly not Brasil or Uruguay.
I'm impressed on how people here gives credit for a meaningless lip service like this. Everyone knows it has zero significance.
@95
May 08th, 2014 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Forget the fact that Argentina was actually attacked and invaded twice since its independence by the UK (both times failing in the objectives obviously, and NO, I'm am not counting the Falklands since I am an Argentine who sees the islands as British and should belong to you), which is reason enough to find you a threat, unlike “Sri Lanka” or “Denmark”, or the rest of Latin America, which you never attacked formally.
The bottom line is, we don't like you, and we don't trust you. Whatever the past was, and Argentina and the UK were very close, is gone. And it's no coming back. Argentines do not like nor trust the UK or Europe, and that is basically all the justification we need to see you as a threat.
@97 Tobias
May 08th, 2014 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are talking about things that happened well over 100 years ago. Get over it. Did Argentina suffer as a consequence of these attacks? What about all the investment that the British put into Argentina afterwards that allowed your development, such as building the railways etc...?
What threat to Argentina is the UK now, today? Especially with 4 planes, just over 1,000 troops, and an occasional visit by the RN.
The answer is none. And the ONLY reason that those minimal defences are there is because Argentina has attacked and invaded British sovereign territory within living memory. And Argentina has publicly stated that they would do it again given half the chance.
The ONLY aggressors in the South Atlantic arena is ARGENTINA. Only you are so weak that your government begs the British to remove their defences to make it easier for them.
You also do not speak for all Argentines. A lot of Argentines love Europe so much that they identify with being European. I met some Argentines in Birmingham only last month, and they said they loved Britain.
Do you know what they liked most about Britain? The fact that they weren't constantly having 'Malvinas' propaganda forced down their throats. They were amazed that the British weren't obsessed with it, like Argentina is, and were even more amazed that the British didn't hate them because of it.
It's about time you grew up, Tobias, and realised that your ignorance and hatred towards the British and Europe, is just the propaganda that your government force feeds you as a distraction so they can steal all your money, whilst mismanaging your country into the ground.
Oh, and a final word, Tobias. If the UK really did want to threaten Argentina, you'd know about it. We don't need to be sitting off your shores in order to do it either.
The British don't want Argentina. We are only protecting our territory from Argentina's imperialistic aggressive colonial ambitions. We British don't give in to threats.
Why are you talking to me about British defensive assets in the Falklands? Have I ever complained about them? No.
May 08th, 2014 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0How many thousands of times have I expressed my views on the Falklands “dispute” (there is none in my view). Why can't you be satisfied with the fact I AGREE WITH the British in this key issue.
That does not mean I have to be friends with you for agreeing on the Falklands. That is where you people get stuck.
I dislike the British and Europeans due to your arrogance and lack of apology for your past. Read the responses here and if you had any objectivity you would then understand my position.
You summed it up yourself... You claim the UK is not a threat, and to prove it you make a threat! I know you do not need to be in the Falklands to threaten us, which is why you are threat. A government that ignores threats is a traitor. So Uruguay in this sense did nothing wrong, all nations with nuclear weapons are a threat, because they refuse to get rid of them. They refusal is proof they are a threat.
And I already told you, the past is the past. British investment was that, investment. Not friendship, but a corollary of it. You got cheap good food from us. Again business. That era is over. Our countries are no longer partners nor will they be.
@99 Tobiboy,
May 08th, 2014 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0You cannot foretell the future.
Argentina could one day beg(l said “beg”)to join the Commonwealth, just like Mozambique(who was never British)has.
There are benefits for both nations.
An even bigger surprise is that we may accept you.
Who are you going to hate then?
Chill out, Tobykins.
Peace.
I dislike the British and Europeans due to your arrogance and lack of apology for your past
May 08th, 2014 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Eye would like to apologise to the Zulu that was insulted just before he killed the guy,
We would like to apologise to France what king Henry the VII did at the Battle of Agincourt in 1415-
We would like to apologise to the Romans for the poor treatment that they received at the hands of bodica,, we would like to apologise to the Celts , Vikings , Normans , Saxons , and every other human being from the Neanderthals man, to yesterday,,
Now will the world please apologise to all the bad thing it has done TO US in the past,
And will Argentina apologise to the widows of the dead, that argentina killed in it illegal attack on the Falklands,
And we can go on until the very end of time, and it will not solve the Falklands dispute, because there isn’t one, its all in you head..
Sorry…..lol
.
@100
May 08th, 2014 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you cannot foretell the future”
EXACTLY. Well said.
Which is why it is indeed prudent and correct that Uruguay (obviously Argentina), consider the UK a threat, latent or otherwise, along with any other nation that can do us harm. To ignore it would be the crime.
Just as in the future Uruguay and the UK could be part of the Commonwealth (Argentina you can forget, we are virulently anti-monarchy always have been... we aren't even members of the Spanish Royal Academy, the only Spanish-speaking country not to be, partly because of its royal links), the UK could elect another Tony Blair who will attack another country without justification and against international law.
@101
It's a start.
@97 The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld
May 08th, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Invaded twice since its independence by the UK”, “not counting the Falklands”
The British have never invaded Argentina, ever, “not counting the Falklands”.
Please give us the dates of these alleged “invasions since independence”.
We await your apology for recently ethnically cleansing a continent, with great interest.
isolda
May 08th, 2014 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Argentina could one day beg(l said “beg”)to join the Commonwealth, just like Mozambique(who was never British)has.“
lol. why?
”There are benefits for both nations.”
taking in account the current state of many of the members of the commonwealth (mozambique, cameroon, cyprus, nigeria, lesotho, swaziland, uganda, etc) it seems there are not too many benefit for them.
in fact they are the most unfortunate countries worldwide.
Readers' remarks to the editor of Uruguayan national daily El País today running 8-2 against Argentina.
May 08th, 2014 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some think the Minister's wife (who has been charged with fiddling the accounts of a hospital cleaning service) is more of a threat than the UK.
Uruguay and Argentina are only scared of UK's defensive forces on the Falklands because they can ONLY be used offensively against Argentina and Uruguay if the Falklands Islands are attacked.
May 08th, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Therefore by their own admissions, it is Argentina's and Uruguay's intention to attack the Islands.
@104 paulcedron,
May 08th, 2014 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We do not run the internal affairs for those countries that you mentioned.
What they do is their own affair.
Probably they would be even worse off if they were not in the Commonwealth.
lf they are gaining nothing from being in the Commonwealth, then why don't they leave. No-one is stopping them.
So your argument is shown to be just as silly as Argentina's ridiculous “claims”(ha ha) to the Falklands.
Do try to keep up.
Pete Bog @ 106
May 08th, 2014 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No Pete, Uruguay's not about to attack the Falklands or anyone else. We are among the nations with the weakest armed forces in the world, and I hear no demands for a change in this respect.
isolda
May 08th, 2014 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are changing your discourse.
you said:
”Argentina could one day beg(l said “beg”)to join the Commonwealth, just like Mozambique(who was never British) has.
There are benefits for both nations..”
now, what was the benefit for mozambique or uganda for instance?
guess the answer is none.
in fact you cannot have any benefit from a relation with britain.
they will always try to steal your land, goods, oil, etc.
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-miserable-places-in-the-world-2014-4
May 09th, 2014 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0the misery index. Worth a look.
110
May 09th, 2014 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0source: the cato institute
that is the libertarian party...lol
so for these w@nkers, countries like niger, ethiopia, mali, burkina faso, burundi, somalia, liberia, guinea, sierra leone, etc., are not in that list.
funny cause the u.n. considers them the most miserable of the world.
and many of them belong to that fabulous thing called commonwealth.
add to that those which have received the “help” of the uk and u.s. in recent years, for example, iraq: extreme poverty, 60% unemployment, 4 million displaced people, 100 killed daily, destruction of cultural heritage.
the cato institute (lol) should say a word or two about them too.
109 neophyte-niño
May 09th, 2014 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“in fact you cannot have any benefit from a relation with britain.
they will always try to steal your land, goods, oil, etc.”
Oops, let me correct that for you - change “Britain ” to “ Argentina”...
Isn't that exactly what is happening in the South Atlantic - Argentina wants the Falklands and their oil???
Enfant Terrible, you are a doofus !!
@111
May 09th, 2014 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think there's one country in that list you've cited which is a member of the Commonwealth, and it's the one that constantly supports the UK at the C24. I think they were rather happy, in fact, with a recent UK military intervention.
If you foamed at the mouth less, you might understand a little more.
lts pretty useless talking to paulcedron & l won't from now on.
May 09th, 2014 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0He hates us & can see no good in anything that we do.
Like a resentful teenager whose been told that they can't use the family car.
Fini
You all know by now I sometimes find it difficult to resist throwing a biscuit to the trolls. ..
May 09th, 2014 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0... but paulie nearly bit my hand off this time!
classic!
Someone give him a pat on his furry little troll-head!
Paul, Are you happy that Argentina is a marginally better place to live than a country in civil unrest?
May 09th, 2014 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0You probably should think about your posts a little more before you hit submit.
Poor little halfwit
For the sake of peace, and friendliness...lol
May 09th, 2014 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The royal navy's new successor submarines will be twice as big as the astute,
weighing in at around 17,000 tons,
and will no doubt come down the Atlantic for visits, peaceable like...lol
insults and personal attacks is all you, bunch of ignorants, have.
May 09th, 2014 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it shows your lack of arguments and criteria.
That’s a laugh, coming from the bloke who says were geneticly incapable of learning languages.
May 09th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All this because he didn't want to supply the chocolate biscuits with the tea..lol
May 09th, 2014 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so childish..
@108 ynsere
May 09th, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“No Pete, Uruguay's not about to attack the Falklands or anyone else.”
Yes, I am sure that most of real Uruguay does not have the obsession with the Falkland cause that its present government does-however my logic is that if Argentina/Uruguay are worried about self defence forces that can only threaten if they are under attack, it could be said that those forces can only be a 'threat' if they are attacked.
If the UK permanently maintained a flight of Tornado GR4s at MPA whose role is to attack, the Uruguayan's/Argentinian's bleatings about a 'threat' in the South Atlantic might have some relevance.
Pete @ 121
May 10th, 2014 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay's not the slightest bit worried about British forces in the Falklands. It's just that some Argentine ordered our ever-compliant gov't to complain. The Argentines probably promised to dredge a chanel in return, but of course they won't because they never keep a promise. Never have, never will.
Readers' messages to the editor of national daily El País still running 8-2 against Argentina.
Dear Paul.
May 10th, 2014 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although you are a racist twat, in the interests of global cooperation, I am willing to offer you a job washing dishes in my restaurant in Venezuela. I can offer you the National Minimum Wage and you can even sleep in the yard.
It's a socialist paradise in Venezuela. As you know. .....
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-miserable-places-in-the-world-2014-4
Can you pay your own bus fare? Can you? Honestly now, can you?
Sure ynsere, what does the Uruguayan defence minister know about Uruguayan foreign matters compared to you...?
May 10th, 2014 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0124. In case you missed it Venezuela's Prez is killing people with HIV. And some people are only getting WATER ever other day.
May 11th, 2014 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lovely.
Another Socialist Paradise collapses:
CARACAS, Venezuela – The wretched condition of Venezuela under its socialist leadership is now worsening the ability of hospitals to treat people, especially patients with HIV.
“I go to the state hospital once or twice a week to see if my pills have arrived,'' says schoolteacher Jose Ramos, 38, who stays alive with antiretroviral medicines that have always been free here. ”They always tell me to come back later.”
Ramos isn't alone. Nearly 50,000 Venezuelans are taking antiretrovirals to keep the HIV virus from turning into full-blown AIDS, a disease that destroys the immune system. Thousands of HIV patients are now without their medicines, non-profit groups here say.
The crisis in HIV care and prevention is but one facet of Venezuela's worsening economy that has caused nationwide shortages of toilet paper, milk, coffee, sugar, cooking oil, cheese, meat, spare parts and many medicines.
Shortages are spreading to public utilities, including water and power. The government said this week that it would ration water in the capital of Caracas, with some residents receiving water every other day due to lighter-than-normal rainfall as well as a lack of maintenance in the city's water grid.
“....good weed mannnnn.... that's some great shit maaan...”
May 11th, 2014 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0(Was overhead at the Uruguayan Defence Ministry shortly before they got all paranoid and had to ask Pepe le peu to phone for a pizza because they had the munchies but dare not go outside because “ it's, like, all messed up, and shit”.)
@124
May 11th, 2014 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Sure ynsere, what does the Uruguayan defence minister know about Uruguayan foreign matters compared to you...?”
Seemingly the Uruguayan defence minister is frightened of British defensive forces over 1000 miles away.
Those self defence forces can only be offensive if they are attacked.
Therefore either the Uruguayan defence minister is paranoid, stupid or he intends to attack the Falkland Islands as that is the only way armaments deployed in a defensive role can be offensive.
If Uruguay is scared of these self defence weapons then the answer is this basic.
Don't attack the UK forces in the Falkland Islands.
There, peace reigns.
The minister is merely representing the Uruguayan electorate.
May 11th, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And we do indeed believe you warmongers are pointing weapons at our continent.
That's what you lot do. Divide and conquer. Invade and steal.
Why wait until we're next on your list?
Nah, 1000 miles is way too close...
It's not me saying it, it's the Uruguayn government, representing its people.
As you'll see on the next elections.
You don't care? Great!
It was never meant for you anyway.
@126 ilsen
May 11th, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LMFAO
@128 Stevie
You’re quite safe, you don’t have anything worth stealing.
Simply don’t believe that the average Uruguayan is more concerned with the British forces defending the Falklands, than he/she is with the constant economic & political throttling they get from Argentina.
You guys, or at least your governments, are not good neighbours.
Other S. Americans, know that just as well as we do.
What you believe or not, does not affect reality one bit, Pugol...
May 11th, 2014 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is true, the question is then which view of reality is the more accurate.
May 11th, 2014 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Start with something simple, like, who do the Malvinas belong to and who controls them.
When you have the same answer for both, then you will know you’re back in focus.
I'll just stick to reality and reaffirm that, according to the Uruguayan electorate and the government that represents them, the British occupation is a latent threat to our peace.
May 11th, 2014 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regardless what you and I may think.
You can say that the Uruguayan Gov says it thinks that.
May 11th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing to support the claim that the majority of the Uruguayan electorate support that, in fact quite the contrary.
Of course Pugol, the majority of the electorate votes FA but, in reality, supports the opposition.
May 11th, 2014 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FA winning the next elections being your main argument, I assume...
Whoever wins or won last time, is not evidence that a majority of the Uruguayan electorate support their Gov/Argy Gov, on the issue of the Falklands.
May 11th, 2014 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet they don’t even call them “Las Malvinas” in common parlance, generally known as Las Islas Falklands in Uruguay.
Islas Malvinas is the Spanish name for the islands.
May 11th, 2014 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like it or not, we speak Spanish in Uruguayan.
You are being silly now, Pugol. You call Germany Germany, not Deutchland.
That doesn't mean you claim Germany, does it?
It's a name.
Falkalands in English, Malvinas in Spanish.
I am The Stealth Penguin of Doom,
May 11th, 2014 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and I live in a South Atlantic Death Star.
You can all run and hide,
but you'll never get far....
Mwaaahahaha!!!
Pugol H @ 135
May 11th, 2014 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually the majority of Uruguayans do call the islands “Malvinas”, but unlike in Argentina, in Uruguay there is no political nuance in the name. “Falklands” is rather awkward to pronounce for Spanish peakers.
Thus, to most Uruguayans: “Fuera argentinos de las Malvinas!”. “Las Malvinas son británicas”.
It is also usual for Uruguayans to call all Argentines “porteños”, whatever part of the country they're from. This name does have a negative connotation; implying a bullying baggart who's probably lying. This has been so since long before 1982.
Amusingly, within Argentina, the porteños are not liked. I was once refused a hotel room in Los Cocos, in the Province of Córdoba, on the grounds that there were no vacancies left. However, when the receptionist happened to see the Uruguayan number plates on my car, she told me that actually there were two vacant roomss after all. When I asked why she'd changed her mind she told me it was the establishment's policy to avoid having too many porteños staying at the same time because they were noisy, brash and tended to swipe the cutlery.
ynsere
May 11th, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody calls an Argentine from Cordoba, Mendoza, Entre Ríos... for Porteño. I wont call you a liar because you do try at least. Call it a misunderstanding from your side.
Or generalisation.
In Spanish, our dialect, a substantive is not positive or negative in itself, except for the obvious ones. yanqui, are you reading?
It's usually the adjective that follows that makes the combination an insult or a piropo.
You'll get the hang of it...
139
May 11th, 2014 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Stevie p¥tos” - is that how it works??
Not at all, Troy. Not at all...
May 11th, 2014 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 138 ysnsere
May 11th, 2014 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for that post. This confirms my experiences exactly.
Beware the Stealth Aqua-Sheep. We are many. We are Legion!
May 12th, 2014 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mwahhaaaahahaha!
@138 ynsere
May 12th, 2014 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, hence the prefix “I bet”, as I don’t actually know what they say in Uruguay.
The purpose of “putting it out there” was to see if Stevie knew, I was waiting for him to contradict me.
He didn’t, diverted to translations. From this I conclude he also has no idea what they say in Uruguay.
However thanks for the correction, from someone who does know (take note Stevie).
I’m meeting up with some BA “porteños” for a few days next week, I’ll be sure and ask about the cutlery when the subject of S. American unity comes up.
Pugol
May 12th, 2014 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You misunderstand.
It'snot about what we call them.
It's the name for the islands.
Islas Malvinas.
In Spanish.
In Uruguay, we speak Spanish.
The only contradiction is your argumentation.
Regardless of where you think I am from, Spanish is spoken in Uruguay. Look it up yourself. Regardless of any ideological opinion I may have that you disagree with, the Spanish name for the islands, is las Islas Malvinas. Look that one up as well.
As a parallel, I'll point Germany out once again. The German name for Germany,is Deutchland. Now, other than you guys kill eachother once in a while in history, nobody seems to care about the naming. Now, if you are as grand as to name people and countries after your own choosing, surely you are as grand as to permit other cultures and languages to do the same, no?
Regardless of which countries you think I may have visited or not.
The actual question was whether “a majority of the Uruguayan electorate support their Gov/Argy Gov, on the issue of the Falklands” (Malvinas).
May 12th, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you keep blithely, blithering on about translations that are completely irrelevant to the question at hand.
Could it be that you don’t want to answer, knowing there are Uruguayan/people living in Uruguay, reading this???
As I said, I don’t know what they say/think in Uruguay, however it is increasingly obvious that neither do you.
It never fails to amaze me the degree of animosity the Argentinians have regarding the British presence in the Falklands. After all, had it not been for the decision to oust the Argentine troops when they invaded the islands then the military government might have lasted for considerably longer, after all, it was the rout in the Falklands which finally brought that government down.
May 12th, 2014 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pugol
May 12th, 2014 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me quote you:
“I bet they don’t even call them “Las Malvinas” in common parlance, generally known as Las Islas Falklands in Uruguay.”
No, Pugol. You are wrong.
The islands are called las Islas Malvinas.
In Uruguay and in every Spanish speaking country.
Because it's the Spanish name.
As for the support, there is no evidence that Uruguay ever supported the UK cause. All along history there is clear evidence though, that every Uruguayan government, regardless colour, has supported the Argentine claim.
You draw your own conclusions.
Or better enough, whistle in the air and call it “lip service”.
Like you always do when facing someones decision you disagree with.
Because if it's against your will, the issue lies in the man, the terrorist, socialist, communist, whatever-o-ist... paying lip service or suffering from some form of extremism.
Like the desire of liberty, peace, prosperity, equality and morals before law.
You know.
Extremism.
@148 Stevie
May 13th, 2014 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me quote you:
“Islas Malvinas is the Spanish name for the islands.”
“The islands are called las Islas Malvinas. In Uruguay”
See the difference.
Ynsere has kindly answered the question as to what the Uruguayans call them, with some enlightening explanations.
Although, the question remains as to whether the Uruguayan people generally support their/the argy gov on this.
I take your point about successive Ur governments, but that’s not an answer to the question. Given the treatment of Uruguay at the hands of Argentina, it is a fair question.
Also for Chile and Paraguay, particularly Paraguay.
As for the rest of your paranoia, I don’t consider this “Extremist” in the slightest, as for “lip service” well you will have to draw your own conclusions on that. I know what it looks like from here.
There is one aspect to this you have completely missed, Uruguay is formulating its own claim to Antarctica, so in that respect of course the British will be a problem to them, but so will Argentina.
@142 ilsen
May 13th, 2014 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@143 ilsen
hey, check me out with the 2 consecutive posts!
Feel The Power!
Fnnaarrr! !
Now you try it. Go on, you know you want to!
;-)
xx
148 Stevie
May 13th, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Islas Malvinas is the Spanish name for the islands.”
Somehow, I don't think “ Malvinas ” is “the Spanish name ”.
It may be the “common name” used for “Fslklands”, but it is NOT the proper name or legal name.
United Ststes of America would translate to “Estados Unidos de América” and nothing else.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland translates to “el Reino Unido de Gran Bretaña e Irlanda del Norte, not ”El Inglés Piratas“ or anything else.
”Falklands“ is a proper name, ”Malvinas“ is also.
It would be like saying ”Angus“ translates to ”Yen- Hsen” in Chinese.
There is no equivalent.
@150 ilsen,
May 13th, 2014 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good evening.
“All along history there is clear evidence though, that every Uruguayan government, regardless colour, has supported the Argentine claim.”
May 13th, 2014 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Documentary evidence, please, administration by administration.
-@150
May 14th, 2014 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good Evening Isolde.
Always a pleasure !
I love your erudite posts. How do you remain so serene?
I wish could. (Sometimes !!)
@154 ilsen,
May 14th, 2014 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0What l was going to do was show you how l have worked out how to send one post immediately after another.
l did it once before a few months back.
BUT, I have replaced the hard drive on my computer & the method is on the old one.
l vaguely remember how to do it & will make a few experiments.
As a point of honour(call it stubborness!), l am NOT going to ask my kids how to do it. They would be able to do it with their eyes closed. lol!
Thank you for your compliment, but l am not very serene when trying to get kids to bed!(or up again, in the morning!).
The bloodthirsty little monsters love Conqueror's posts!
@155 Isolde
May 14th, 2014 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Loved your post!
Please say;
“ Hi from London, you little monsters!”
Bless 'em.
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