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Falkland Islands and Crimea the new cold war
In an article for Penguin News, distinguished political and scientific Bulgarian author Dr Lyubomir Ivanov (*) discusses the Crimean conflict and its parallel with the Falklands.The Argentine President Cristina Kirchner praised the recent Crimean status referendum as, “one of the famous referendums of self-determination.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHold on a minute, I thought the whole world was supposed to support Argentina?
May 07th, 2014 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Land Swap...?
May 07th, 2014 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you not been reading the new,s this is about Russian expansionism back to the old USSR boundaries that Putin longs for, it's not about people, when has Russia ever cared about Russians....apart from murdering them by the millions...
Russia has killed more Russians than anyone else ever....
Cristinita was right about the Crimean referendum; the writer here, on the other hand, seems to be an absolutely rabid cold warrior, and its really quite dangerous that such views are taken seriously in parts of the west
May 07th, 2014 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British Propaganda in top shape...
May 08th, 2014 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“With the law applicable on the Islands”.
A law internationaly questioned.
“The Crimea referendum took place along with a Russian military operation that subdued the Ukrainian armed forces dislocated in Crimea”
And the one in Malvinas took place after a British military operation expelled the Argentine authorities in 1833 and stayed in the islands to prevent their return.
“The application of self-determination principle to Crimea is questionable”
And in Malvinas too. Not only questioned but ignored even by the closest allied of Britain who only “took note” of it.
“Russia referred to the referendum results in order to unilaterally change the status quo and annex a territory”
And the UK reffered to the referendum results in order to unilaterally justify the status quo and maintain the occupation of the territory.
“Argentina and Russia stand no chance if their pretensions were submitted to the International Court of Justice.”
That`s why the UK has been insisting that much in taking the case to the Court to put a final end to this question and stop Argentina´s “bullying” and “blockades”. LOL
“Argentina has no such capabilities”
Nor willingness
@4. You forgot to mention the 2-month illegal occupation in 1833; the 2 settlers from Uruguay and the 2 settlers from Brazil that 'chose' to leave with the illegal garrison; the Convention of Settlement 'Peace' treaty that settled ANY outstanding differences and Argentina's Conquest of the Desert?
May 08th, 2014 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4
May 08th, 2014 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argie propaganda in full swing.
You really need to stop lying about this 1833 thing...it's bad for your health and sanity.
I notice the change from “Argentine population” to “Argentine authorities” but that is also false.
The 55 people expelled were not “Argentine authorities”.
They were the crew of the SS Sarandi who had arrived 6 weeks earlier, had murdered their captain Esteban Mestevier in an act of mutiny, and proceeded to rape his wife in front of their children.
The civilian population in November 1832 was under the management of two British subjects, all of whom were given the choice to remain on the islands, which (all but two) did.
You talk of propaganda...then you spew propaganda....if your case is so strong, why lie??
@4
May 08th, 2014 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you take all your evidence to the International Court of Justice then? If your case is so solid, why don't you approach the ONLY international body in the world that can ORDER the UK to hand over sovereignty of the Falklands to you?
Go on, tell your government to put it's money where its mouth is, and take it to the ICJ? I mean you can even caveat your application how you usually do by stating that you won't acknowledge any judgement that isn't in your favour. So what do you have to lose?
Oh that's right. If you took it to the ICJ and lost, then the UN would tell you to STFU, and refuse to let you waste their time by constantly spouting your lies and delusions on the world stage.
And, of course, the people of Argentina would begin to understand that your case is a lie, your government lies, and your government continues to lie about 'the whole world' supporting Argentine.
Hardly anyone supports Argentina. They support a peaceful solution to the dispute. That means they want Argentina to STFU about it, and leave them alone to get on with their lives.
The only support Argentina gets is lip service. Even your good 'buddies' Venezuela haven't sent you one bit of military hardware, or don't more beyond say, “yeah we support you.”
Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. No one supports Argentina. You are isolated. You are a joke. And your fellow South American countries are happy for you to be obsessed with the Falklands because it means that you keep your greedy eyes and thieving hands off their territory.
Oh very, very well said, folks.
May 08th, 2014 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 lslas Mal-something-or-other,
Well why don't you do it, lslas?
lf you are so sure that you are right, take your case to the ICJ.
Or just shut your mouth.
We are all getting very tired of you stupid malvinistas & your lies.
@3 kirchnerist
May 08th, 2014 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0The author is from eastern Europe and appears to be sufficiently informed to give his opinion. Just because it differs from the ludricous propaganda from cfk and her deluded sycophants doesn't affect its credibility.
@4 IslasMalvinas
May 08th, 2014 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to be making progress, that's two admissions in one post. No civilians were expelled in 1833, and Argentina's case stands no chance at the ICJ.
Next thing you know, you'll be recognising that nearly two centuries have elapsed since 1833, and certain developments have taken place in the world.
No matter what we do, or what we say, we will always be in the wrong, according to the fantasy world of CFK and her immortal's..
May 08th, 2014 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0for they are never ever wrong, only the world is wrong...
KFC, Filmus and Timerman's flip flopping and general whoring of what dignity it has in the diplomatic world only makes Argentina look even more shallow and opportunistic.
May 08th, 2014 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Presumably Argentina now wholeheartedly supports China's annexation and treatment of Tibet and all other border disputes China has on both land and in the South China Sea - regardless of the rights or wrongs. They need to be reminded of this every time they bleat about the UK's supposed double standards over Honk Kong and Chagos Islanders.
Interesting analysis from Lyubo who is indeed a distinguished academic. Always interesting to see what those from neutral backgrounds think. Exposes Argentine political arguments over Crimea as asinine.
May 08th, 2014 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@12
May 08th, 2014 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And that is how the UK appears to us. Regardless of right or wrongs, you are opportunistic and shallow.
The UK is never wrong, it's always the world who is wrong.
13 GALlamosa (#)
May 08th, 2014 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite right. A neutral, well respected academic with very significant and relevant experience has a view that is fair and balanced.
THEY don't like that do they.
@14 - “The UK is never wrong, it's always the world who is wrong”
May 08th, 2014 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? I think this is best to describe Argentina. I can raise issues like the Falklands, Argentina's debt, political corruption in Argentina, the erosion of democracy in Argentina, the capture of YPF, the falsifying of economic statistics, etc. etc. etc.. Argentina is the one that plays the victim/injustice card. That is their whole game plan over the Falklands. This mentality has created a deep rooted hatred of the west.
The west is not at fault for Argentina's problems. That is all of your own doing.
@14
May 08th, 2014 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is to say what is right or wrong?
There are very clear differences between what the UK and Argentina believes is right or wrong.
For example:
If the UK borrows money by means of government issued bonds, it has always, without fail, repaid that debt, IN FULL, EXACTLY ON THE DAY IT WAS DUE.
In the UK, that behaviour is deemed right...In Argentina there is a difference.
In Argentina, if the government borrows money, it has ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of paying it back in full and on time, it believes it is owed the money for some imagined slight, and refusal to repay is a “show of strength”, indeed you have claimed that Argentina is brave to stand alone against the world markets.
A simple example of there is no right or wrong, just a view point.
Another example is the Falkland islands:
The UK believe that the people of the islands should be allowed to form whatever type of government they choose, based on near 200 years of inhabitation, and that all meaningful society, business, commerce and industry existing on the islands has been built by them.
Argentinas government believes these peole have no right to govern themselves, that the islands should be handed to a foreign power against the will of the inhabitants, based on a fabricated set of myths 200 years old.
Again, no clear right or wrong...just opinion.
Of course it is easy to believe that the one is always “right”....as far as opportunistic and shallow is concerned, I would suggest you government and indeed yourself be better examples of this behaviour.
@3 It's probably best if all Kirchner supporters, wherever they might be, are shot. I understand that BK may be in Dover. Residents of Dover: You know what to do!
May 08th, 2014 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 The law is only questioned in jerkoffland. And no state has the “right” to question the laws of another.
The Falklands sovereignty referendum took place 180 years after the re-establishment of British rule. 180 years during which the inhabitants were quite happy.
The application of the self-determination principle in the Falklands complies with the UN Charter. In Crimea it doesn't. In fact, it represents an action that the UN Charter specifically says is unacceptable.
It wasn't “unilaterally”. The self-governing Falkland Islands and Britain means that it was bilateral.
Yeah. Why doesn't argieland go to the ICJ?
And didn't PutridJelly say that argieland would invade again if the British garrison wasn' there? But it will be there for many years.
@14 But, at the end of the day, WE can stamp on YOU. And where will your lies, rewriting of history, non-compliance with treaties and international law get you then? Make no mistake. The majority of the British people are agreed. Try again and argieland will be carpet-bombed. There is NOTHING in argieland worth having that wouldn't be there after major bombing to wipe out every population centre.
@15 Of course they don't like it. It's honest and straightforward. It doesn't mention what Britain can do to argieland. They wouldn't want to appear frightened, would they? But let's look back. Starting 74 years back nazis killed thousands of Brits. But current British munitions are far better than what the nazis had. Do we think the RAF, RN and British Army aircraft could wipe out 90% of the argie population? Of course they could. Typhoons being flown in with airborne refueling. RN submarines ready to launch cruise missiles. More cruise missiles from the Typhoons. So much more “capable” than '82. And now we really HATE!
@14 Reference rights and wrongs, why don't you take a look at the Global Corruption Index and compare the UK and Argentina's scores. One country is in 14th position and the other is sandwiched in between Gabon and Niger down in 106th place. Lol
May 08th, 2014 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His talk of “land swaps” is pie in the sky, the Russians are not going to compensate anyone for what they see as theirs in the first place.
May 08th, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Astounding change of position from CFK on this one.
To come out in favour of referenda is one thing, to come out in favour of referenda at the point of a gun is quite another.
Land Swaps.
May 08th, 2014 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It makes me laugh that the article recommends the swap of the Crimea with Novaya Zemlya ! .... This is like offering in exchange Bikini Atoll or downtown Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Anybody remember the half-life of the fission materials?
And it's no good offering the Chernobyl 'protected zone' - same issue applies.
All in all, the darstardly deed has been done, and trying to suggest sugar-coatings to the bitter pill reminds one of horses bolting and stable doors.
The Malvinas referendum was not recognized by the UN so it is illegal.
May 08th, 2014 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN says the Malvinas´s issue is a case of colonialism and calls Argentina and UK to talk about it to solve the problem.
So insted of fighting we should work together to get a full solution that satisfies both countries.
Sigh.
May 08th, 2014 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Small Bulgarian, why you do not study what happened to the “referendum” made by the occupants of Gibraltar? Null and void for the UN. The same happened to the “referendum” of okupas in Malvinas Argentinas Islands.
May 08th, 2014 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doc you must study more.
@22
May 08th, 2014 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can a mythical place have a mythical illegal referendum? I remember the Falkland Islands having a duly constituted referendum with international observers overseeing it. And it came off without a hitch. Perhaps “Malvinas” can take a lesson from the Falkalnd Islanders and try to have a mythical legal referendum next time around......
#22
May 08th, 2014 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Yo, have you just awoken from a coma that started in 1982?
@4 “Argentina has no such capabilities”
May 08th, 2014 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Possibly.
Nor willingness”
You could not be more wrong.
The only logical reason that Argentina is scared of the self defence forces defending the Falkland Islands, is that those forces can only be offensive to Argentina if attacked.
Therefore by being scared of self defence forces, Argentina must be planning to attack those self defence forces guarding the Falkland Islands.
26 Porto Margaret, i just don´t think that agression could lead to a solution. If we don´t talk we are going to be the whole life fighting. The war is terrible and how you can see doesn´t end the problems but increase them.
May 08th, 2014 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why don´t you give a chance to dialog?
But there is nothing to talk about, Yo.
May 08th, 2014 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You want our land,
We will not give it to you & you have nothing that we want.
lf we ever did talk it would go like this:-
1) Argentina--
“we want your lslands”
2) Falklands(not UK)--
“NO”
Talks finished.
Had your dialog,
Happy now?
lsolde. Have you voted for your new governor???
May 08th, 2014 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can you say you are not a colony if your leaders are from UK and choosen by the UK?
I understand that now you have a better life quality that us and you don´t want to lose it. But i don´t believe that you are not interested in anything from us. There is a lot of things we could share and would make your life better than now.
In relation to dialog, for example i could accept that you became and independent country asociated with Argentina and under some rules. In that case you would not need UK troops anymore and life in the south atlantic would be more peaceful.
But if you don´t talk, everything will continue like now and worse.
@ 30
May 08th, 2014 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What exactly does Argentina have to offer the Falklanders that would make their life better?
@30 Yo Mann, If Argentina gave me 1 million pounds tomorrow, I would stay in the falklands where I am and they could shove the money where the sun don't shine, that is how much i like Argentina. I would prefer to die than accept anything from Argentina.
May 08th, 2014 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 028 Yo
May 09th, 2014 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If we don´t talk we are going to be the whole life fighting.”
Why is that, Yo?
3 choices:
1) fight - militarily, propaganda
2) “dialog” - as Isolde says - stalemate
3) stop asking for what is not yours and just worry about Argentina - peace !
Simple
I Can see you have a lot of hate to us, goverments some times do things wrong but it does not mean that all argentians are bad people.
May 09th, 2014 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0to have a war you need 2, and the UK fought too. So no one was the good one, people died and that was terrible.
we have the chance to build something better than what they have done before. So what i am trying to say is that we need to get close to stop,fighting. When you know the other it is more difficult to reach to things like,war...
i hope some day we could live in peace.
the things we could give you are the same than before the war kept you alive and now you dont remember
food, fuel, medicines, medical atention, education on universities...etc...
@34
May 09th, 2014 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hola Yo, Peace is obviously the best option but to get to positive dialogue, bullying behaviour and aggressive rhetoric from the Casa Rosada will need to stop.
Swapping Messi for Andy Carroll may also help:)
@30 Yo,
May 09th, 2014 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0l didn't say that we are or are not a colony, Yo.
Why do you want to know?
What business is it of yours or Argentina's what we do or are?
Believe me, Yo, there is nothing that we need from Argentina.
Life is peaceful here,
We will be independent when WE want it, NOT when Argentina wants it & we don't want to be in association with you.
You need to get into your head, that your country, Argentina has absolutely NO RIGHTS in the Falklands.
l know its hard, after all you've been taught at school, but you are a foreign country & have no more rights here than any other country.
We can have peace, we desire peace, but not as an Argentine colony.
So there you have it, Yo.
l do not want your country,Yo, why should you want mine?
Peace.
Land Swaps:
May 09th, 2014 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is suggested that The Crimea be swapped acre for acre, hectare for hectare, with sparsely inhabited Siberia.
Well! As most of the Crimeans are already in Siberia - following the post-war genocidic relocations of the Crimean Cossacks to the Siberian gulags ('work-camps' = prison camps) - it would seem that this would be 'home for home'.
How on earth *Cossacks* are now 'pro-Russian' and are working alongside the Russians in Eastern Ukraine leaves me speechless!
I guess Russian indoctrination/brain-washing must be pretty good.
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Yo (#34)
'to have a war you need 2, and the UK fought too. So no one was the good one.'
You fail to understand certain words in English:
'protect' and 'defend'.
These are good words for good deeds. To give one's life in a defensive war, for another in the defence of his/her freedoms, this is an ultimate act of sacrifice. Even the Bible professes this to be 'good'!
The alternative - where everybody gives their life and freedoms willingly when attacked by a belligerent nation (your suggestion) is what Hitler was hoping for; what Galtieri was hoping for.
In English this is 'not good'; in English the correct word is 'stupid'.
@34
May 09th, 2014 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“to have a war you need 2, and the UK fought too. So no one was the good one, people died and that was terrible. ”
The UK may have fought too, but the fight would not have happened had Argentina first illegally invaded British territory, and then ignored a legally binding directive from the UN to remove their occupying forces.
Not to mention the fact that the junta's eventual intent was to murder the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands (though most people prefer the slightly fluffier term of “ethnic cleansing”). So, yes there was a good one, and no, it wasn't Argentina.
The cuurent “civil” conflict is pushed again by Argentina. They fill their schools with the Malvinas lie, the lie that those islands were usurped by Britain. We've seen this affect discussions here - various users have slandered the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands as “pirates” “okupas” and “squatters”, and some no longer here claimed they would happily murder them with nuclear weapons.
There are two ways that this dispute can be resolved peacefully and fairly. The first is for Argentina to take it to the ICJ, which is the only international group able to resolve such disputes.
The main problem is that Argentina in the past, has reneged on arbitration when it has ruled against them. If the ICJ is to be involved, Argentina *must* accept its ruling.
The other is obvious: as it has no legitimate claim (a fact known to *both* sides), Argentina willingly relinquishes its sovereignty claim, and it's blocking of the Falklands being removed from the Decolonisation list.
These are the only two fair ways to resolve this dispute: agree to ICJ arbitration or drop the whole thing, including the “Malvinas lie”.
For us we are defending our territory occupied in 1833. Due to the years have past i believe that people living on the islands must be respected as their inhabitants but i dont recognize UK sovereignty over them and less over the waters surrounding them which were stolen after the war. ( remember that before the war UK did not claim for any water arround the islands). I think that we need to know each other a bit more and we will see that cooperation will be better for all of us. About the meaning of the words i understand what you want to say. Take note that this is not my language and it is difficult to me to say all what i want to say correctly. I am doing my best talk to you, if i write in spanish ussualy you get angry.
May 09th, 2014 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 39 yo
May 09th, 2014 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 01066 is rather a long time ago, I don't believe we have any living participants in the events to confirm your side of the events. BTW, Argentina didn't really exist at the time either; with your Gaucho chappy (know criminal of Austrian descent) arriving from River Plate, 1000+ miles away!
And how about decades later Argentina invaded Patagonia and conquered the desert in and unprovoked act of aggression - you OK with that?
I presume your still school age and haven't yet started your history classes: tip, try wikki and other neutral sources on-line for truth and facts rather than your somewhat fiction based textbooks.
So they we have it, history is something that happened a long time ago. Sadly you cannot pick and choose bits and bobs you like from the past and then place them out of context to win arguments - that’s rather immature. Finally, when you start an unprovoked war and loose, you don’t then win it later claiming its unfair, and that you didn’t really mean, and that we were bigger than you, and they had better stuff. Think of it as a game of conkers; when your nut gets smashed by a tougher one its game over. End of game :(
I would appreciate you to respect me and not to attack me with things like me age (you do not know it) and my education. If a have to guide myself for what a have learned at school the islands are argentinians. As a have said before i accept you to be and independient country with some rules. That is my own way if thinking,and nobody has put,it on my mind Just like you believe.
May 09th, 2014 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0unfortunately this is not a game and the people from both sides who died at war were real Just like the problems we still have. Almost 200 years have past since the start of the conflic, we have the chance to finish it if we relate.
@41
May 09th, 2014 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apologies - no offence intended.
The fundamental problem here is a difference of view regarding events 200 years ago. However we can't change that, impossible. Too much water under the bridge; what would the world look like if we all started playing that game.
Yes, its good to talk, provided you stop saying the people of the Falklands have no rights, (squatters, usurpers and other such nonsense) and leave them in peace to decide their own future and who they wish to associate with. At present they wish to be a British Overseas Territory - similar to the last 200 years.
@42
May 09th, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apologies accepted... Have a nice day
@ Yo
May 09th, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN position, is that discussions to settle any alleged sovereignty disputes are completely irrelevant to the decolonisation process, and the C24 committee.
Territories (people/populations) on the list have the right to self-determination irrespective of any alleged sovereignty claims.
The solution is for Argentina to accept the truth about the history of the region, and recognise the rights of the Islanders.
Then there might be something to discuss. We are not holding our breath.
We have been fighting for our entire history and this is a cause we believe in.
A Governor is not a “leader” he is a Governor, their leaders they elect themselves. Canada, Australia, New Zealand and about a dozen other countries still have governors.
Few people in the world are going to believe you that they are all still colonies.
The belligerent and frankly offensive attitude of this Arg gov, is such that fighting is far more likely and discussions of any kind are not even a possibility.
Change that attitude if you want to live in peace, otherwise stay your side of the line, or it will be war.
That’s what I mean about the “truth about the history of the region”, in 1833 the British recovered their territory from Arg occupation. British territory long before Arg ever existed
Don’t worry about your English, you’re doing better than many of us could in Spanish.
@ 37 GeoffWard2
Cossacks in western Ukraine, they are mostly ethnic Russians in the east.
Argentinas problem is that they are entering into a game that the UK has played for centuries, that's not a boast, it's just a fact.
May 09th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the islands secure, Argentine ineptitude, the whole question is relegated to the bottom of the dispatch box or any other questions.
@39 Yo,
May 09th, 2014 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“For us we are defending our territory occupied in 1833”--you said.
Thats the problem, Yo, it was not your territory.
We claimed it in 1765.
That is a part of the history, then the uk signed and agreement with spain where the recognized spanish sovereingty and left the islands. But i think that now it does not realy matter we need to work on the present to make a better future and not to be another 200 years still fighting for the same.
May 09th, 2014 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A “better future ” would be assured if you stopped harassing and blockading the Islands, and drop your false claims/demands for sovereignty.
May 09th, 2014 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would ensure peace, as there is NO AGGRESSION on the part of the UK or FI
Pugol #44
May 10th, 2014 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks , I get mixed up with all the ethnic genocides and 're-locations' out of - and sometimes back to - Eastern Europe, etc before and after WWII.
Not just the Cossacks but also the Poles, Romanians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Volga Germans, Ingrian Finns, Karelian Finns, Crimean Tatars, Crimean Greeks, Caucasus Greeks, Kalmyks, Balkars, Karachays, Meskhetian Turks, Karapapaks, Far East Koreans, Chechens and Ingushs. Not to mention White Russians, Jews, prisoners of war, 'gypsies' and the educationally sub-normal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union
[It could be argued that Russia has much more to answer for than Nazi Germany.]
Yo- you do seem a lot more reasonable and progressive than many form your side on here- welcome. One day I agree there will be a solution - and it will be decided from negotiations between the democratically elected representatives of the Govt of the people of the Falklands and those of Argentina.
May 10th, 2014 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British Govt,s role would merely be that perhaps of “chair” of such negotiations and providers of technical and legal advice to the Falklands.
You will find that the UK has said for many many years that they will always respect the wishes of the people of the Islands. If we voted(as we did) to stay a British Overseas territory for the current time - then they respect and accept it and will defend our rights.
Nest time we have a referendum - if we vote to become Argentine then Britain would respect it and withdraw. It is as simple as that.
If we voted to become Independent then the same - except we know that the Argentine Govt would not accept and would invade and occupy us again, as UK would not be responsible for defending us if we became Independent.
Offshore the Economic Zone is not Britain,s nor was it declared by and nor is it controlled by Britain. It was declared by the Falklands Govt and is controlled 100% by the Falklands Govt and 100% of any tax income etc and licence fees comes to the Falklands Govt. It has British support yes - simply because that zone is ours and Britian supports what is ours.
We are not greedy and have a boundary limit on the Argentine side based on the norms of international law in where country maritime boundaries should be.
in the 1990s your Govts worked with ours and we had a growing number of sensible agreements that were heading to increase friendship and trust between us - whilst respecting also the 2 sovereignty positions.
@47
May 10th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have asked many times on this forum to Argentines, ” What could Argentina offer the FALKLANDERS that they do not already have? Please , you seem to be sensible
@ 47 Yo
May 10th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, but that is completely untrue.
The Anglo Spanish agreement of 1771, if that is what you are referring to, does not say any such thing.
The agreement was a humiliation for the Spanish, you don’t have to believe me, google it.
The agreement of 1771 proves three things beyond any doubt.
1. That the British claim to the Falklands is much older than Argentina is.
2. That the British always rejected the Spanish claim.
3. That the Spanish had to accept this.
The only thing Argentina can claim to have inherited from Spain, is an argument that the Spanish had already lost.
I’ll say it again, that’s what I mean about the “Argentina accepting the truth about the history of the region”.
it is hard to accept it but right now Argentina can not give you a better quality of life.
May 12th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It does not mean that i do not believe the islands are our, but we have to work to much in the continent to be in condition of negotiate.
Unfortunately, Yo, there is nothing to negotiate.
May 12th, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We reject that Argentina has any “rights” in the Falklands & you have nothing that we want.
All we want is good neighbours, without becoming ruled by them.
And we don't want to rule you.
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