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Montevideo, September 26th 2022 - 21:59 UTC
Archaeologists believe they may have found the wreckage of the Santa Maria, one of the ships Christopher Columbus used to sail the ocean blue en route to the “New World” more than 500 years ago. Read full article
It is a pity that Columbus should bear the blame for the total disappearance of the native population of the Caribbean Islands - blame should be directed at the greed of the conquistadores sent in his wake together with the actions of the Catholic Church.
I thought it was a established fact Leif Ericksson had discovered the continent 500 years before columbus by now and that at the same time in history Polinesians had arrived in California and Southern Chile.
I personally believe they brought over Araucana chickens whose genes are found today in patagonian chickens which are resulted of the crossing with European chickens with a local one which has gone extinct now. Its just the genes that codify for the blue and green colored eggs that remain.
As well as sweet potato that has being cultivated in the Pacific pre colombian times
He also didn't really “discover America.” Researchers now believe Viking Leif Ericksson beat him to the punch nearly 500 years earlier.
What a strange ending. It's as though the author has only just heard about it and stuck it in last minute.
The DNA is very interesting. I did not know about the chickens.......
The wreckage they have found is not the Santa Maria lying at the bottom of the ocean,.... its the Argentine economy.
Yep its fascinating, isnt it?, For me it just doesnt make sence that the chicken was native to South America yet developed and was adopted only a small region in Araucania and Patagonia considering the success chickens had in Eurasia and East Asia... It doesnt make sence either that they were brought over when Siberian peoples travelled across the Bering straight into the Americas and only survived in the other end of the continent.
They must have being brought by the Polynesian sailors from the Pacific who made contact with the indians. There is no other explination in my view.
I thought this story was about Santa Maria, not f**king chickens.
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Name calling get a lifeanyway a cunt is useful unlike your good self.
Right...And what do you care if other ppl are talking matters that they are interested in ??
You want to talk about Santa Maria go ahead, no one is stopping you. Dont come around telling people what to talk about or not. It just pisses me off.
I found the diversion about chickens/ eggs quite interesting.
Cunts; slightly less so...
Is it true that Turkeys originated from Peru but the English (about 400 hundred years ago, mind) called them Turkeys because at that time in England Turkey was the most foreign/exotic place they could imagine?
I'm sure I read that somewhere?
Also I'm liking the idea of some-one being a Mercopressian!
Has the UN been informed?
Where is Mercopressia? Is it somewhere near Montevideo? Or off the coast?
Who were the original inhabitants? (ooh! Naughty troll-like question Alert!)
I think we should be told.
Leif Eriksson discovered...
Where do you lot think the native Americans where in all this?
Ahhhh, it's HERE I am.... Thank you for discovering it for me...
Let me correct you lot. The native Americans discovered America.
Those Europeans you mention were merely the first Europeans to know...
Because its not the same when you can place yourself on the world map than having someone else do it for you.
Columbus did after all return to Europe to tell the tell.
What map would that be? The one that didn't have America on it?
Who Places the Europeans on the map? And if they placed themselves, was that a European monopoly to do so?
You are talking Bullock, Cabeza.
The native Americans discovered America.
Native Americans? You mean Eurasians.
Turn that belly button syndrome down, knarfw, the native Americans seem to have crossed the Bering strait at some point in history.
You really think they passed through Europe first, or are you merely wishing?
What map would that be??
As I said the world map that was in its infancy of beind designed.
There was not ever such a thing as a native american. It was the Siberian mongoloid hunters that did in any case arrieve first with out even noticing it.
Oh, you mean the Europeans put America on the [European] maps!
I thought you were saying that Europeans discovere America...
There was not ever such a thing as a native american. It was the Siberian mongoloid hunters that did in any case arrieve first with out even noticing it.
Is that why the West Indies are called West Indies?
Jajajajaja Cabeza, you have no clue :)
Well you have always being daft.
You can put it this way
Alexander the Great had gone and conquered as far as India in 330 b.c
John Carpini had travalled to the Mongol capital of Karakorum for an audience with the great khan in 1245
A few years Marco Polo lived many years in the court of Kublai Khan in 1266
The Europeans had notice of the existance of Timboktu since 1375. Even if they arrieved there in the XIX Century..
What had the Aztecs and Incas recognized and published in their maps by 1492??, and as how afar had their explorers travelled by 1492??
Didnt think so
Oh, I thought this was going to be about chickens.
Same thing will probably happen to us when Aliens make their presence known.
For gosh sakes the whole of The South American great civilizations were put into chains by a few guys with horses and guns.
A couple hundred years of better technology and the weaker society is easily conquered.
Turkeys got their name because they were mis-identified in north America as a type of Guinea fowl or Turkey Fowl which were imported by Turkish traders into Europe.
I meant a few years later Marco Polo arrieved in Beijing in 1266 and lived for many years of Kublai Khan...
The Italians and Venetians particulary were great explorers and sailors
Anyway there is accounts of Roman traders going as far as Java, Sumatra, Siam and Cambodia.
Wow Cabeza, your lack of education is simply astonishing....
Tenochtitlan was, undiscovered and all, one of the largest cities on the planet at the time Columbus arrived to the West Indies.
You call yourself Argentine...
I knew there was some odd story behind it. Thank you.
And in Tenochtitlan prisoners and battle captives were taken up the tallest pyramids and temples of the city to be disemboweled by a blood thirsty priest and their hearts eaten in front of the cheering populace....
What has that got to do with anything you are saying?? Im Argentine and the Europeans discovered America and put them in their maps. Not the other way round
Cabeza.... That is Hollywod...
You are Hollywood...
I think golfcronie was making a joke. IMO.
Mr. Barry Clifford has an impressive list of discoveries:
According to that link, he has been working on this project with the Discovery Channel program Quest for Columbus since 2004.
I agree with Stevie on the concept of Native Americans. Although it is an interesting point as to where genetically they originated from, how they arrived, what they accomplished, and what different civilizations they created, the fact is they were the established residents in the Americas when Columbus, followed by the Conquistadors later arrived.
1492 may be a reference point for Spanish and Italian Europeans, but many others appeared to have visited the Americas well prior to that date.
Zheng He, the admiral of the Chinese fleet in 1421, various Japanese who left Yayoi and Jumon pottery in the pacific coastal region of Central and South America, and the Vikings who left colonies and artifacts in the Canadian North Atlantic. It may go back even further.
The Phoenicians had a map on coinage that illustrated the outline of South America in the Southern Atlantic. It was reported that they were the trading source of the cocaine remnants used by the ancient Egyptians in embalming. That product as everyone knows is only found in South America, yet it was known and used at the time of the Pharaohs.
So the actual timeline in the Americas is relative to historical discoveries at any given time. 1492, 1421, 1000, 79 BC, 1500 BC. etc. Just another year and tourist explorer along the way to the Native population already living in the Americas.
Stevie its a historical fact, scenes of this practice are sculptured in the Aztec temples in the Codexes, you have burials and historical evidence everywhere.
And this is very un PC, but look at their descendents to this very day have a obsession with executing, beheading and chopping out limbs and body pieces and display them in front of a camera or have the cadavers haging over bridges...
Its almost something genetical I would say.
The only historical fact here, is that you are clueless, Cabeza...
Hey Stevie marra:
The problem with you Stevie is that you deny what is evident and fact
Aztec Sacrifice from where to start.... ??
Anyway all this talk has made me want to reenact the glorious campaing of Hernan Cortez in Total War Americas Campaing... I love massacring those savages and turning their cities to rubble. For the glory of the catholic faith and the King and Queen of Spain...
And this one is free for you, leftie, specially the lyrics
Stevie doesn't believe Venezuela has any problems either.
Marxists are so stupid.
That can't be right...I have it on good authority that the Indians in America got there in a submarine....
According to the book of Mormon.....
That's what Mitt Romney believes....
Thank your lucky stars he didn't make it to President....
That issue is very much up to speculation and is nothing you will prove with a NG link. Don't take the discussion with me, if that's your argument, fine. I think more than that is needed to know where that people came from. It is as irrelevant as it is intriguing though, and f you feel better with them having been through Europe generation before settling in America, it's fine too.
Heck, maybe they even discovered Europe.
Call their civilization what you want and choose your preferred history. It doesn't change the fact that they discovered America.
And according to knarfw they might even have discovered Europe...
The idea of the Ice bridge of nothern Eurasia into Greenland and North America is not new
But if the native americans had previously discovered Europe then wy did they venerate the Europeans as gods when they arrived?? Where are your indian maps that show Europe. Its ridiculous what you are saying.
Under your concept the Africans discovered the rest of the world when they crossed the Sinai Peninsula
European buffoons once again showing their ridiculous racism.
So the Western Hemisphere was not discovered until a EUROPEAN graphed it... in other words, the Amerindians are not a culture nor a civilization, they are basically animals so it's like they don't exist.
Explain why there are no native Americans left in North American cities, completely wiped out by those racist NorthAms.
1 Gordo1 It is a pity that Columbus should bear the blame for the total disappearance of the native population of the Caribbean Islands
Replaced by millions of Africans slaves, Thank you England!
@38 Marcos Alejandro
1) I am not aware that the Spanish discoveries in the Antilles were repopulated by African slaves supplied by England - Spanish conquistadores were licensed by their monarchs from time to time to ship human beings from Africa to the New World to replace the native population which was wiped out within 150 years of the discovery.
2) Britain abolished slavery early in 1833 throughout the British Empire. Slavery continued in Puerto Rico and Cuba, Spanish colonies, until it was abolished by royal decree from Madrid in October 7th, 1886. Slavery was effectively banned in Argentina by way of the Constitution of 1853.
3) Get your facts straight! Again!
The Portuguese shipped more people to be sold into slavery into Brazil, than were shipped into the Caribbean and North America combined.
Explain why there are no native Americans left in North American cities,
Your source giving proof of your above remark would assist us in verifying your somewhat cavalier statement.
@9 You want to talk about Santa Maria go ahead, no one is stopping you. Dont come around telling people what to talk about or not. It just pisses me off.
Then piss off. You need to research the meaning of the word comment. It doesn't mean Type anything here about any subject you like. The odd item might be semi-relevant. Doesn't mean you can carry on posting irrelevancies. And, when rebuked, you become offensive? Who do you think you are? Argieland?
@11 You are, without doubt, a cretin. Believe it or not, you can actually discover a £1 coin down the back of your sofa. So the £1 coin discovered the sofa?
@17 If you don't know why the West Indies are so called, you should turn to the next page. Where you will be able to drop off the edge of the world.
@21 And you can't get five letters in the right order?
@30 Denial is the ONLY recourse of the brain-dead.
@36 Stevie has always been dumb and stupid. His teacher tells him something and it's set in stone. axel_arg is a teacher. Evidence shows that, in argieland, if you can't get a job as a streetcleaner or cesspit cleaner, you go for being a teacher. Money for spouting government lies and propaganda to children in compulsory lectures. axel_arg can't debate. It's not in the script. Who's been to Steviemania? Similar to Germania. The renamed capital of the Nazi empire. Germania never existed. Neither does Steviemania.
@37 Ever been to North America? Thought not. Quite amazing how many native Americans there are in American cities. They don't have to jump up and down and scream and shout. Because they are PEOPLE. Recognised, respected with rights. Unlike in argieland. Where the indigenous are regularly murdered by the so-called police.
@38 And the Dutch, Portuguese and Spanish! What a pity we were so considerate and understanding. Why didn't we wipe the Dutch, Portuguese and Spanish off the face of the planet? Forget the mercy”. Let's do it now!
And there is by now 43 comments on this board and NOT EVEN ONE on the issue of the wreckedge of the Santa Maria itself....
So I was right. You like when I clash against Stevie but you cant stand me giving your own British mates a lesson...Sorry Son, it doesn't work like that.
Get in line lunatic
Well we shall see if, when they dive the wreck of the Santa Maria, they find any chicken bones!
@42, Come on Conq. It has been a well-known fact that the ship was more than likely to be in this location since, well since ... in the exact spot Columbus reported losing his flagship.
So the article is mere confirmation people are likely to talk 'around' the issue.
haha! (Don't stir the pot!)
Its not about the goddamm chickens themselves, its about the Polynesians arriving 500 years or so before the Spaniards did to South America and introducing them.
Hard to understand, he???
This is new and quite interesting, although not 100% conclusive.
It does lend some more weight to the 'Siberian migration' theory though.
If you take look at the link I posted ( Nr.28 ) you will read about Mr. Clifford. and the Santa Maria project. It didn't start recently, but has been underway for many years now..
The location has been know for some time, but as yet, despite the cannon being found, no archeologist has actually conformed that this is the Santa Maria. That will come, perhaps within a few years.
The article cited by Mercosul press is one of many online, with other articles having more facts and photos.
In today's Daily Mail (UK) in English:
13,000 year old adolescente Naia, photos, graphics, and the Beriingia bridge.
Britain abolished slavery early in 1833 throughout the British Empire
First we enslaved three million Africans and sent them to the Americas and then we abolished slavery!
Hooray For The English !
@51 Marquitos Alejandrito
And your point is?
I find the goddam chickens more interesting than anything Marcos Alejandro has to say.
I'm sure we are all aware of certain historical facts. He has no point to make.
Hate to be pedantic Gordo, it was actually 1807. The Royal Mint had a commemorative £2 coin in 2007 to commemorate. The Royal Navy used to have preventative squadrons from time to time to discourage it although Portugeese and Spanish vessels had some legal prection if they stayed blelow the tropic line. There's just no arguing with some of these Spanish colonial squatters/thieves.
As for the find, time will tell but if the cannon proves to be Spanish from the time it's a good bet in my opinion.
@51 Marcos Alejandro
No, the Africans were enslaved by other Africans, they were bought by Europeans as slaves.
@ 54 boufiewolf
47 Geo 3 Sess 1 c 36, sometimes called the Slave Trade Act, the Slave Trade Act 1807 or the Abolition of the Slave Trade Act 1807, was an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom passed on 25 March 1807, with the title of An Act for the Abolition of the Slave Trade. The original act is in the Parliamentary Archives. The act abolished the slave trade in the British Empire, and also encouraged British action to press other European nations to abolish their slaves trades; but it did not abolish slavery itself. Many of the Bill's supporters thought the Act would lead to the death of slavery, but it was not until 26 years later that slavery itself was actually abolished. Slavery on English soil was unsupported in English law and that position was confirmed in Somersett's Case in 1772, but it remained legal in most of the British Empire until the Slavery Abolition Act 1833.
Then I stand corrected Gordo thanks for that. But can you tell me what TMBOA means? I'm not too bad with some acronyms but that one escapes me.
It would be a pleasure to enlighten you on the nickname of the decade. Invented by poster ChrisR, TMBOA simply means:-
The Mad Bitch Of Argentina
The 'TMBOA' acronym is legendary in these parts! (and yes I had to ask when I first posted here!)
Feel free to ask in the future, it is a great site in general, you don't get banned for sweary language, although it can get quite rumbunctious at times!!!
Sometimes threads go off on a tangent but that can be quite an education/fun/nasty/boring/interesting too!
A just to say one more time, TMBOA !!!!! I have actually introduced this into Real Life/ Facebook/ WhatsApp/ Twitter conversations and everyone loves it.
Who knows, 2015 Oxford English Dictionary entry?
On a more serious note; there are more people of African heritage in Brazil than in the whole of the US/Carribbean. Also the Spanish were major players in this business too.
Whilst we may all agree that slavery is/was a shameful business some posters might wish to be more careful before slinging wild acussation around! There forefathers bear responsibilty aslo.
Just a thought!
The Portuguese, the English, the Spanish, the French, blah blah blah...
Aren't you Euros the LEAST BIT ASHAMED that YOUR countries actually did that, went to another continent, took men and women, ripping chidren from their parent's arms, entire families, entire villages, and entire cultures even, took their freedom away, and toiled them many times to death, when they did absolutely NOTHING to deserve it??
NOT EVEN THE LIST BIT SHAMED OF BEING AN EUian WHEN YOU THINK BACK ON IT?
No. I can't change the past. Only the future. Aren't you ashamed of the Holocaust inflicted on Latin America by your forefathers?
Also, what about the Roman Empire? Slavery was common then too. Have you asked the Italian s about this?
Your country was founded by Europeans who did all the things you say.
They then called themselves Argentinians and absolved themselves of all sin. It was someone else who did it...not us...honest !!!
My lot never left the UK so me and mine have no responsibility for what happened.
yeah!! but at the end of the day it was Spain that discovered The Americas and circumnavigated the Earth...not bad!! The rest came second and third and fourth.....ummmmm
WRONG............. The Portuguese were the first in circumnavigating the globe
Scottish Colony that failed led to English/Scottish Union.
The Caribbean colony that brought down Scotland.
hey, i just like to 'mix-it-up' a little.
Have fun with this one guys!
Genoese captian first landing of America
Florentine captain gave the continent its name
Portuguese captain in circumnavigating the world.
The Spaniards were always shit sailors
Nah! The Spanish in general were always a bit shit. Don't pick on the sailors!
Why did Colombus have to beg Italy to finance his adventures?
Why was it so easy for British privateers to pillage all the gold the Spanish were bringing back from South America?
Why did South America not prosper like North America?
I will leave that one with you. ..................
**66 Magallan might have been Portuguese but the expedition was Spanish paid by the crown of Spain while The Portuguese crown considered magallan a crack pot that is why he went to Spain as did Columbus ALL WAS PAID BY THE SPANISH CROWN...ummmmmm.
*67 It was easy for privateers to pillage the gold because they were PIRATES.....
They never worked a day in their lives ...what other reason can there be??!! ummmm
And the Spanish who enslaved, murdered the Inca population, stole THEIR treasure, what exactly was THEIR work ?
Aussie, I take a your point about piracy - a letter of marque/privateer was not quite to same. The former were always out for gain where the latter took out an agreement with their government to allow them to sink, burn, destroy or take as a prize. A portion of the value of the prize would go to the treasury of the country which is how Elizabeth 1st paid for the rebuilding of the Royal Navy.
Why do both pro and anti brits users here in Mercopress always talk of British as the only ones who pillaged the Spanish ships and destroyed Spanish fleets??
Because it suits their agenda.
What country or people residing in any country in the world, never took slaves, or used people as indentured servants ?
Any news on the chickens?
or the eggs?
I do like a blue egg. Only if they are Polynesian though. If not available I'd settle for for a Portuguese one. If it's green and the Pope has demarcated that it truly mine and not belonging to one of those dodgy native chaps.
Who knew breakfast could get so complicated?
Maybe we should just have toast. Is that politically correct?
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