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Argentines strongly disapprove of torture, but 49% are fearful if in custody
Nearly half of all Argentines say they fear suffering torture if they were detained by authorities, a figure that represents slightly more than the global average, an Amnesty International survey has revealed. The results from a series of questions on the issue show Argentina as one of the nations that most disapprove of torture among the 21 countries surveyed. Read full article
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May 16th, 2014 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0In that I agree with you, Briton.
May 16th, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some things never change.
Like your media trying to play with numbers and totally failing.
Look at the proposition.
“If I were taken into custody by the authorities in my country, I am confident that I would be safe from torture.”
Now, according to MP stats:
Argentines who AGREE with the proposition: 34%
Australians who AGREE with the proposition: 16%
Brits who AGREE with the proposition: 15%
It's obvious some people should clean their own houses first.
That, or attend some courses in statistics...
You have obviously never been nicked in the UK
May 16th, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 Code C Sec 3.
Look it up.
lol.
May 16th, 2014 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 4 Briton
May 16th, 2014 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks like the expert has 'spoken'.
I have no idea WTF he says nowadays because it is all lies anyway.
I have taken ynsere's advice. “A pox on him”.
OMG did Stevie really just do that?
May 16th, 2014 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some FAILS are so funny they even make me blush.
“If I were taken into custody by the authorities in my country, I am confident that I would be safe from torture.
Now, according to MP stats:
Argentines who AGREE with the proposition: 34%
Australians who AGREE with the proposition: 16%
Brits who AGREE with the proposition: 15%“
Actually Stevie. It is you that should ”attend some courses“ on comprehension.
You got your propositions mixed up. Which considering your recent acrobatics in ignoring reality, is hardly surprising.
'Argentines came in slightly higher than the average from the 21 countries included in the survey, with 44% of the 21,221 people queried revealing they would fear torture if in custody.
Neighboring Brazil, topped the list with 80%, compared to the lower results from Australia and the UK, where 16% and 15% of people, respectively, said they “agree” with the proposition.'
So what that actually means is: WOULD YOU FEAR TORTURE IF IN CUSTODY?
Brazil: 80% would fear torture if in custody.
Argentina: 44% would fear torture if in custody.
Australia: 16% would fear torture if in custody.
UK: 15% would fear torture if in custody.
Thanks for highlighting how safe Australia and the UK are compared to your South American hermanos. No wonder our countries are magnets for immigrants like you.
”It's obvious some people should clean their own houses first.” BTW that's directed at you, in case you didn't realise with your limited comprehension skills.
But Anglolatino, can't you read?
May 17th, 2014 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's do this slowly...
All according to the note:
First propesition,
“If I were taken into custody by the authorities in my country, I am confident that I would be safe from torture.”
Second preposition,
“clear rules against torture are needed because any use of torture is immoral and will weaken international human rights.”
Third, and LAST, preposition,
“torture is sometimes necessary and acceptable to gain information that may protect the public.”
No need to thank me, boy.
Anytime.
;)
Stevie
May 17th, 2014 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0What has gotten into you today? Or more recently?
Seems I can not only read, but I can also interpret statistics and reports. You however don’t believe anything that doesn’t suit your already made up mind.
You claimed:
“Argentines who AGREE with the proposition: 34%
Australians who AGREE with the proposition: 16%
Brits who AGREE with the proposition: 15%”
That proposition being:
“If I were taken into custody by the authorities in my country, I am confident that I would be safe from torture.”
But you are WRONG.
Here is the breakdown and let’s see if you can see where you went wrong?
Brazil:
80% strong or somewhat disagree
2% unable to answer
18% strong or somewhat agree
Argentina:
49% strong or somewhat disagree
17% unable to answer
34% strong or somewhat agree
Australia:
16% strong or somewhat disagree
1% unable to answer
83% strong or somewhat agree
UK:
15% strong or somewhat disagree
2% unable to answer
83% strong or somewhat agree
You turned the questions around. You weren’t comparing like with like. And you keep thinking that Mercopress stuffed up. But I read it for what it was.
I draw your eye to paragraph 3. Line 4. Word 5.
FEAR.
That’s the proposition that they were referring to and I clearly understood it. Perhaps it is because English isn’t your first language. You probably didn't even notice they used “preposition” in the second paragraph.
No matter which way you try to split it, We feel safer in the UK and Australia. We worry a lot less about our governments torturing us. Pity the countries you idolise such as Russia, Argentina and Brazil don’t engender the same confidence.
You shouldn't have commented, because now all you have done is allow myself to highlight how badly the continual leftists governments in Brazil and Argentina scare the living sh!t out of their citizens.
But not here in good ol' safe Oz.
Thanks again Stevie. You do half my job.
Anyone fancy a little tour around Caracas?
May 17th, 2014 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because this the direction Argentina is going.
Another 80 students taken into custody today, for protesting about the 1000s detained...
My family has not had fresh water nor power for for two concecutive days in the past two weeeks. There is no toilet paper, shower gel, soap or BREAD in the shops!!!
Fuckin socialsmo! now everyone is poor.
I want to see MaDuro swinging from a lampost.
the boli-garchs are getting richer and my family is hurting!
On the 'parallel dollar' market one Euro will get you over 100 Bsf, the 'official' exchange rate is 1 Euro is Bsf 8.62
sick!
Among the big Western countries, Britain had the second largest share of support for torture: 29%. The biggest share was found, of course, in its boss and hateful spawn, the United States of Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo (45%).
May 17th, 2014 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0The US had a worse percentage than did many countries deemed illiberal police states (Mexico and Turkey, for example) whereas Britain ranked worse than did Russia (25%), a country stereotyped as a nation of troglodytes and bigots in the Western press, and worse still than did the “South American hermanos”, Brazil, Chile and Argentina (all had 18 or 19% share of support). Excluding the negative influence of Peru on the continental average, South America is the world's most liberal continent on the subject of torture and the rights of men to be protected from it.
As for Brits: that, as Anglotino so helpfully reminds us, they have such a large share of support for torture despite not fearing it themselves, only highlights the cowardliness of this support -- they understand that torture, if ever applied in their country, would not have as target a Brit such as them, at least not someone from a mainstream Brit community -- it would be applied on someone of a vulnerable community: immigrants, people from disliked communities (*cough* Muslims *cough*) and so forth.
It's like the murderous abuse poured on hapless Iraqi prisoners -- civilians or independence fighters all -- was not enough, and Brits want to import the practice into their country and further torment those who bear any resemblance to their Iraqi victims.
Is this really a country we want to keep around our righteous, peaceful continent?
Anglolatino
May 17th, 2014 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paint it blue for all I care, what you claim is not what it says.
Let me cut and paste:
“Neighboring Brazil, topped the list with 80%, compared to the lower results from Australia and the UK, where 16% and 15% of people, respectively, said they “agree” with the proposition.”
AGREE.
you see, Anglolatino?
AGREE.
Now look at the preposition that is being agreed with. The first one.
Again, I'll copy and paste:
“If I were taken into custody by the authorities in my country, I am confident that I would be safe from torture.”
Try again :)
Yes yes Stevie.
May 17th, 2014 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I get it.
Brazilians and Argentineans are afraid of being tortured by their governments.
Australians and Britons aren't.
You keep allowing me to highlight this. Again and again.
Police in Argentina are scary. Everyone knows they are corrupt and are heavily involved in the crimes.
May 17th, 2014 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0As an American I wouldn't be too afraid because there would be repercussions from the USA if something happened and I can always buy my way out. So can the upper middle and rich Rgs.
But if you are poor or dark, this is what happens to you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIZ5P7iKzIA
No, Anglolatino.
May 17th, 2014 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0According to this note, 34% of the Argentines agrees with the statement
“If I were taken into custody by the authorities in my country, I am confident that I would be safe from torture.”
A statement that, again, according to this note, is agreed by 16% of the Australians and 15% the the Brits.
Like it or not.
:)
Steve, Clearly your day job doesn't require math or reading comprehension skills.
May 17th, 2014 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0BTW did you see the hilarious video of Venezuelans breaking into a Bread store then getting into fist fights over day old bread.
That's a great example of socialism
everyone fighting in the streets over the last stale bread.
Told you it's over in Venezuela, yanqui.
May 17th, 2014 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0What you see now are a few wood heads that won't accept defeat.
They'll be on the streets until the vacations, then they too will give up.
Don't you worry...
In the meantime, common people are getting their bread, all but in your FOX world.
:)
So I guess you did miss it. Those do look like very common people fighting over day old bread to me.
May 17th, 2014 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/13/world/americas/venezuela-bread-shortage/
and I guess you missed this too:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/13/world/americas/venezuela-bread-shortage/
Its not over wait until it gets hot, people's tempers flare and Caracas has blackouts.
Then we'll see some fun.
fun fun fun
watching socialism collapse
Until that happens, you can always entertain yourself watching the eastern Ukranians being murdered by their brothers you support.
May 17th, 2014 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hopefully for you, you have enough action to fulfill that blood thirst of yours.
The rest of us wait until you pop. You and your generation.
Then we'll sing again.
;)
Socialism isn't collapsing in Ukraine. It doesn't thrill me as much as the total Economic and Societal collapse that is happening in Venezuela.
May 17th, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Watching a loser lose is fun.
fun fun fun
My greatest hope is these protests start in the other Alba nations and of course Argentina.
Fighting over day old bread.
Running water every other day, electricity every other day.
It couldn't get any better!
:)
I'll wave goodbye to you, yanqui.
May 17th, 2014 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I promise.
;)
You can clearly see what Marxist's “promises” have given the people in Venezuela.
May 17th, 2014 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poverty, Misery and Death
No thanks.
I am happy watching from afar.
The biggest problem I have is going from heat to a/c in my apt. The weather can't seem to make up its mind where I live.
Luckily I have the choice.
Along with buying 100s of types of bread everyday
and letting the hot water run until the bathroom is steamy
Ahh capitalism is wonderful
simply wonderful
Enjoy it.
May 17th, 2014 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm waving already...
;)
The white flag of surrender? Isn't that what your parents used to get out of Uruguay?
May 17th, 2014 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0They won, didn't they?
May 17th, 2014 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where's Mujica?
Where's your guy?
;)
Where are you? Not in Uruguay and haven't been since the 70s is my guess.
May 17th, 2014 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Solimar isn't that where you pretend to live?
Where is that again?
I'm right here, yanqui.
May 17th, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right here.
In Solimar?
May 17th, 2014 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Delusionville?
Silly stupid Marxist good thing you are paid to turn a wrench in the bitter north atlantic you obviously aren't paid for your brainpower.
“Police in Argentina are scary”
May 17th, 2014 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/ibragim-todashev-execution/
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/ibragim-todashev-execution/
@ 27 yankeeboy
May 17th, 2014 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We now have the two biggest liars on MP after The Lunatic Of Chew Butt, so be gentle with them, especially Forge Tit 87 who can, when he tries, have a bit of sense unlike the other one.
Hi, Chrissy, still holding a grudge after I was mean to you, like, 3 years ago? Do you keep a date? Can you tell me the hour, day and month that happened? Thanks.
May 17th, 2014 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 30 Forge Tit 87
May 17th, 2014 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“especially Forge Tit 87 who can, when he tries, have a bit of sense unlike the other one.”
Oh dear, you have just proven me wrong.
No I don't hold a grudge, I just laugh at your antics most of the time, especially with Bitcoins.
I bet you don't have any after all the exchange crashes, eh?
I told you that would happen.
Well with 80% of Brazilians scared if being tortured by their police it is no wonder they didn't include Venezuela in the survey.
May 17th, 2014 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a weird world where you're scared of your government.
According to MP, 80% of the Brasilians agree with the proposition.
May 18th, 2014 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0What was the proposition again?
;)
What the preposition?
May 18th, 2014 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Try all you want Stevie, but your family is thankful that they don't live in South America. I mean when you look into the eyes of your daughter and almost cry; just remember her chances of being tortured are so much less in the west.
You made the right choice mate.
@ChrisR
May 18th, 2014 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“No I don't hold a grudge”
Oh yes you do. I vividly remember it - your tearful anger, that sudden outburst that caught me by surprise, the angry denunciation of something I didn't remember happened but you said it did some years ago. I did try to make things nice -- not something I'm known for -- but you were unconsolable. I sincerely hope you've gotten past whatever I told you on that day 3 or 4 years ago, but sometimes you make it hard to believe. :-(
“I just laugh at your antics most of the time”
I know you don't and that it eats you away whenever I point out the stains - and God, how many are they! - in your violent, rotting country's history, deep and recent. You've promised yourself to ignore me but it's not always that you can do that, as your last post shows. You were doing so well - why the lapse now?
“especially with Bitcoins”
No idea what you're saying here. Along with a bit of composure, I do hope you can show some coherence as well next time.
“I bet you don't have any after all the exchange crashes, eh?
I told you that would happen.”
You're one odd ball, Chris. Is that supposed to be a burn of some sort? But I've never had Bitcoins, Chrissy. Sorry to disappoint. And you -- are you sure you have not had any Bitcoins? Misery likes company. Is that what you're looking for here -- company? :-(
Anglolatino
May 18th, 2014 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Try all you want Stevie, but your family is thankful that they don't live in South America. I mean when you look into the eyes of your daughter and almost cry; just remember her chances of being tortured are so much less in the west.”
Is that the proposition?
That's not the proposition, Anglolatino.
That's you trying.
Again.
With the same result...
It says preposition, Stevie. Seem to have missed that one as well.
May 18th, 2014 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hardly surprising with your comprehension skills.
But glad you are safe in the west. No torture for your daughter. She's pretty much Danish now anyway. Or whatever comfortable country you live in.
Lucky your parents didn't escape to Brazil. 80%!
Doesn't matter how vainly you try to spin it, Aussies and Brits are less scared of torture that the countries you idolise. Guess we're just more civilised.
Again, I quote:
May 18th, 2014 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Neighboring Brazil, topped the list with 80%, compared to the lower results from Australia and the UK, where 16% and 15% of people, respectively, said they “agree” with the proposition.”
The proposition.
I agree it says preposition inthe text as well and that the text is poorly edited.
But you are the one using it to base your arguments, I'm merely quoting.
According to MP, Aussies and Brits are quite scared of being taken into custody. Seems only some 15-16% agree to a proposition that states, and I quote:
“If I were taken into custody by the authorities in my country, I am confident that I would be safe from torture.”
You are right, I'm lucky not to have ended up in your shit scared,morally deprived,sad excuse of a nation where Money Counts as life and life as cattle.
Exploit it, live it and feel “free”.
We'll be waving.
;)
And just how many coups, revolutions and military leaders have you had in your part of the world in the past century?
May 18th, 2014 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which country has the longest continuous democracy and for how long?
How many firing squads?
How many disappearances?
You should take your posts and file them where they belong.
In the realms of fantasy!
@ 35 Forge Tit 87
May 18th, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will be telling me next that you don’t have a beautiful Brazilian girl friend next, the one you used to boast about on here.
Mind you, I can believe that. Nice rant though.
Stevie
May 18th, 2014 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We'll be waving.”
Of course you will. Because you love freely in a country where you don't fear having an opinion. That's the great thing about the west.
So glad to have you on board.
Stevie
May 18th, 2014 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you not live in the country you profess to love?
Why do you not live in the continenent you say you adore?
Why do you not follow the ideology you protest?
Seriously Stevie, Why are you?
Ilsen
May 19th, 2014 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0For some, principles can be ignored when living in a comfortable and safe place.
There it comes, you final and usual argument. Where do I live? As if it would have any impact whatsoever on what this note states...
May 19th, 2014 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Catch you on next thread, Ahabs!
;)
Because no one is more ashamed of where they live than you.
May 19th, 2014 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For chrissakes Stevie! Stop digging!
May 21st, 2014 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please give up the shovel!
I almost feel sorry for you.
Almost (pmsl).....
Because no one who actually lived in Uruguay would have the same acceptance of Pepe's government policies and chumming up to CFK and Venezuela as YOU do.
May 21st, 2014 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Troy @ 47
May 21st, 2014 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nor would somebody who actually lived in Uruguay, or even just visited occasionally, be unaware of the exact nuances of meaning and use of certain words as used in this country. Nor would he be unable to obtain simple and readily available info about a shop on the main junction of the location in Uruguay where he quite recently claimed to live. Nor would he misspell the name of that place.
Never ask Guzz ... er ... Stevie anything about Uruguay he can't find on the internet or simply invent.
He's just another Argentine troll, albeit with a gift for leading the gullible astray and moving the thread away from the original subject. Especially when the original thread is unfavourable to Argentina.
http://www.lr21.com.uy/politica/1174960-aumenta-popularidad-del-presidente-mujica-en-todo-el-pais-y-aprobacion-de-su-gestion-se-mantiene-estable
May 21st, 2014 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Choke on it, parrots!
:)
He's probably popular because he doesn't torture people.
May 21st, 2014 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0PS: I hope whoever has been impersonating you has stopped. Bahahahahahaha
Anglolatino @ 50
May 21st, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, although it's true that President Mujica's personal popularity has increased slightly (especially since he made his trip to the US, amazingly), the number of people intendening to vote for his party seems to be dropping.
Is that so, ynsere?
May 21st, 2014 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to various Uruguayan media sources, the MPP is the biggest party in FA. All in all some 9% of the total electorate.
http://www.republica.com.uy/mpp-lidera-interna-del-frente-amplio/
http://www.republica.com.uy/mpp-lidera-interna-del-frente-amplio/
http://www.republica.com.uy/mpp-lidera-interna-del-frente-amplio/
Enjoy!
;)
Oh hi Stevie!
May 21st, 2014 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought you'd left, like you said up thread.
Felt the need to back track as usual I guess.
Say hellooo to Mend my puncture and dear old bossy boots Keith will you?
I expect you will see them before I do.......
Didn't get that, ilsen... Did Keith mend your what, you say?
May 21st, 2014 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think I'll pass on this one...
Don't get all coy after the fact Stevie.
May 21st, 2014 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not embarrassed are you?
Stevie
May 21st, 2014 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is unlike you to keep a low profile on Mercopress. It's alright that you have been caught out with multiple names on here as you'll keep the name Stevie.
Anyway lots of discussions now taking place. I dare you to participate.
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/05/16/morales-reveal-that-with-argentine-help-bolivia-is-developing-nuclear-energy#comment327648
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/05/16/morales-reveal-that-with-argentine-help-bolivia-is-developing-nuclear-energy#comment327648
Nah, let him wear himself out, Anglolatino.
May 21st, 2014 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll watch him.
Is that ok for your blood pressure?
;)
Stevie
May 21st, 2014 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blood pressure? Huh? I'm not old like you.
Wear who out? Yourself? You were clearly using more than one login.
Your actions remind me of Think when he was caught. You guys always act the same.
That's fine. Hide here. I'm controlling the discussions on the other threads. Your absence only reinforces the points I am making.
Anglolatino
May 21st, 2014 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How does one clearly use more than one login?
Let the other Stevie wear himeself out, It's so not fun when clapping alone...
Stevie
May 21st, 2014 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one can use someone else login.
Only the person that registered it can.
You can't prove otherwise.
Keep going. I'm having so much fun.
You are surely entertaining the rest of us...
May 21st, 2014 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep your truths, Anglolatino, something tells me educating you on this one will reduce the entertainment.
Oh I'll happily apologise to you clearly and profusely.
May 21st, 2014 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you could prove someone actually used your name.
However so far no one has proved that. Least of all YOU!
Why would I care, Anglolatino?
May 21st, 2014 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give the guy his 15 minutes of fame...
Of course you would care. To do otherwise would be out of character.
May 21st, 2014 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact you are acting like this means you don't care only because no one is using your name.
I'm debating just about anyhing with a bunch of right-wing neoliberal lunatics on an internet thread in a language that is not mine.
May 22nd, 2014 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't that enough out of character for you?
Why are you so desperate for me to catch the bait, by the way?
Anti-climax?
63,65
May 22nd, 2014 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL !!!
I call “BS” !!!
Troy
May 22nd, 2014 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Epic levels of BS here
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/05/16/morales-reveal-that-with-argentine-help-bolivia-is-developing-nuclear-energy
Don't miss these threads guys. I'm laughing my guts out.
May 22nd, 2014 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2014/05/16/morales-reveal-that-with-argentine-help-bolivia-is-developing-nuclear-energy
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/05/16/morales-reveal-that-with-argentine-help-bolivia-is-developing-nuclear-energy
Does that mean we are free to insult Mendacious and Keith Pork since they do not exist?
May 22nd, 2014 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0A bit like The Malvinas.
And unicorns.
I fuckin hate unicorns. Pointy little buggers!
You still have Stevie/A_Voice. Seems no one else's screen name was hacked.
May 22nd, 2014 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 069, 70,
May 22nd, 2014 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Forgetit87” is busy on here again.
Is it me, or does it seem there is some mendacity and yorkishness about him .
A certain patronising turn of phrase,“ ...and you were doing so well up to then” is common between “forg 87” and “Mendo-sock ”
not conclusive, but keep an eye out, and BS-o-meter running.
:-D
@71
May 22nd, 2014 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha! Very pertinent!
There's also another one snuffling around making 'goady' comments.
Keep your eyes peeled. ...
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