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Catholic Church and Cristina Fernandez downplay impact of recent document on 'violence in Argentina'

Tuesday, May 20th 2014 - 08:55 UTC
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One of the Pope’s closest collaborators, Argentine Monsignor Guillermo Karcher, said “there is no reason to look for causes for conflict” in the Episcopal Conference document released last week about “violence” in Argentina. Read full article

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  • Conqueror

    Of course there's no need to “look for causes of conflict”. Obvious to a blind man with no arms. Corruption. Example; CFK. Crime. Example; CFK. Injustice. Example; CFK. Mendacity. Example; CFK. Murder (state authorised). Example; CFK. Perhaps a minority of “the people” have finally noticed.

    May 20th, 2014 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GALlamosa

    And there was I reading and believing just last week that her and the Pope were best mates. You just can't tell, can you ?

    May 20th, 2014 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PhraseWizard

    When is the world going to recognize that Argentina has a dictator, not a president. Mendacity? She and the government she dictates lie. Of course, it is true that a people deserve the government the get. Argentines are infamous for being liars and sly manipulators, for an arrogance without even an excuse of merit for admiration. Tell me, why do the many good Argentines put up with Christina the Mean? Is it that the Dirty War of the 1960s has turned you into cowards?

    May 20th, 2014 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Endemic corruption. No amount of spin will prevent the truth from coming out.
    This is the beginning of the end for the K club.

    Argentina deserves better.

    May 20th, 2014 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

    @3

    No, we respect the democratic process, something you Brits could learn a thing or two. When she finishes her term, if she has done any wrong doing she will go to jail, like any other Argentine president.

    That is much better than the British system that still lets Tony Blair run around and make money of his criminal acts against international law.

    Where were you Brits when he went to war against innocent children without proper international approval. No. One protest does not count... You should have TOPPLED Blair.

    Oh why not?

    Why then do you ask Argentines to topple K?

    Once again, more Anglo-Euro preciousness and Pecksniffianism.

    May 20th, 2014 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    No, we respect the democratic process, something you Brits could learn a thing or two. When she finishes her term, if she has done any wrong doing she will go to jail, like every other Argentine president.

    FTFY

    May 20th, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    #6 that has got to be the best quote ever.

    May 20th, 2014 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

    This is the PRIME (pun intended) example of British “”logic“”:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10843707/David-Cameron-Scotland-referendum-will-be-irreversible-and-binding.html

    There is so much to highlight here I don't even know where to begin:

    So, Mr. “self-determination when it suits me” Cameron, is now coming out of the closet as an anti-self deteminator. I thought people in the UK had this right... so yeah, what if in 20 years Scotland wants to revisit the issue (in case it independence loses this year), he would deny it?

    Isn't he the one who said people cannot be forced or coerced? That's what he would do if this year's vote is binding and final... why? Self-determination is not a one-shot and your are done deal! But of course, it's hypocrisy again.

    It is also very funny that by this new approach the UK and himself are basically be giving approval of the “Spanish” system, denying Catalonia a vote (better to keep the genie in the bottle huh?)

    Also if this was going to be such a procedural vote as the Brits here two years ago claimed (since no one would dare split from England!), why is the UK gov and many here so nervous now??

    Like I said, worry about your problems. Argentina compared to Europe is a paradise of stability. No province has wanted secession in 151 years.

    May 20th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    “He also underlines that the document “is an invitation to national reconciliation” and “a call from Church to live together in a better way”.”

    Well this guy is used to delusions, so another one won't go amiss.

    Funny article though and even funnier comments from TTT, especially the final sentence.

    May 20th, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    No, we respect the democratic process
    ????????????????

    ha ha , and we respect the rights of aliens to land and claim galaxy benefit's...lol

    May 20th, 2014 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    8. This strange isolationists dream doesn't make any sense unless you want your way of life to become akin to a North Korean.
    Most of your major employers are Foreign
    You can't grow SOY without Monsanto USA
    You must buy fuel for the foreseeable future
    You must buy power supplies, telecommunications, computer, software, actually a very long list from Foreigners
    O/G exploration must be done by Foreigners
    You might as well wish for a U$ to grow on trees.

    May 20th, 2014 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • boufiewolf

    5 - No, we respect the democratic process, something you Brits could learn a thing or two. When she finishes her term, if she has done any wrong doing she will go to jail, like any other Argentine president

    Hello!! Did you NOT hear about the MPs expenses scandal? Several cross party MPs, including some from the government in power (Labour), went to PRISON for fideling their expenses claims and defrauding the public purse. Now France has a system where the serving President cannot be charged with criminal offenses whilst in office too but I think Chirac may have retired after Sarcozy got in because he faced corruption charges after he left office. And how many Italian Presidents have been forced out through scandals criminal investigations as well moral scandals.
    Before you let your raging xenophobia give you a heart failure, get YOUR lot HELD TO ACCOUNT! muppet

    May 20th, 2014 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    “when she finishes her term, she should go to jail”

    Does no one else see anything wrong with that statement?

    If someone is committing crime surely they should be arrested immediately?

    TTT has just given us another insight into all that is wrong regarding Latin American approach to politics and governance.

    I'm speechless!!

    May 21st, 2014 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    CFK - ”who criticized it for “wanting to reignite old battles“

    So, no need to listen to its call for less violence, as its just old politics.

    Ignore it.

    May 21st, 2014 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    And I thought Chrissie was bessie mates with Pope-corn Francis, or so she would have us believe.

    Apparently not so.

    Oops. ..

    May 21st, 2014 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

    @9

    Let's see:
    Argentina in the last 150 years:

    A dirty war

    Europe in the last 150 years:

    TWO WORLD WARS
    multiple civil wars
    multiple famines
    mass exodus of at least 20-25 million people
    a cold war and division of multiple states
    multiple revolutions
    extreme communism/extreme capitalism implemented, both causing major crises
    separatism and secessionism
    ethnic cleansing on multiple occasions
    terrorism campaigns in multiple countries in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s
    multiple acts of non-European terrorist attacks
    rampant racism, anti-Semitism, and religious persecution
    language extermination campaigns
    horrible pollution and extermination of species
    criminal empire building in Africa and Asia by ALL major Euro nations

    Based on the above proven evidence, I would call it: “check mate”.

    End of story.

    May 21st, 2014 - 05:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Has to compare Argentina against 30+ countries to make it look good.

    May 21st, 2014 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    @16 The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld.

    Kindly explain just what these comments have to do with the document published by the Argentine Church hierarchy?

    May 21st, 2014 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #16

    At best, your knowledge of your own country's history is pretty shocking, at worst you have intentionally lied to further your agenda. You forgot to mention:

    - The Conquest of the Desert (~1870s) in which the Argentine state expanded to include most of Patagonia, effectively doubling its territory at the expense of the native inhabitants.
    - The War of the Triple Alliance (1864-1870) in which potentially 60% of Paraguay's pre-war population were killed, and from which Argentina annexed large amounts of territory.
    - The Falklands War in which Argentine forces invaded the virtually defenceless sovereign territory of the UK ignoring both UN GA and SC resolutions.

    So spare us your diatribe you hypocrite (and probable liar). Europe has, largely, evolved to become the most progressive set of nations on the planet.

    May 21st, 2014 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    16. Just about every statement you attributed to the EU can be found in Argentina also.
    Except a lot of those statements are CURRENTLY going on and not relegated to history like in the EU.

    Again, It just shows that other than knowing words you know little else. Your education is an embarrassment.

    May 21st, 2014 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    very true..

    May 21st, 2014 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

    Responses 17-21 are the most moronic, dumb, stupid, imbecilic non-responses to what I averred.

    So even in non-responding you all failed.

    Pitiful.

    May 21st, 2014 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #22

    I, and the other posters, challenged your argument claiming that Argentina is somehow superior to Europe and all you reply is some insult without even challenging the factual accuracy of what we wrote. It is you who is pitiful.

    You lied, at least have the intellectual honesty to admit - or - at least try to argue that the three events I mentioned are irrelevant.

    May 21st, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

    You fool, I am not claiming Argentina is superior to Europe (though that is not hard to do), I am DISPUTING YOU FOOLS all over this website claiming Argentina is SHIT, which is the same as saying Europe/UK are superior.

    negative 4 times negative 4 = 4 x 4

    May 21st, 2014 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    This getting a bit surreal now.

    May 21st, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

    TRUTH.

    LONG LIVE TRUTH. DOWN WIH EU/US/UK/JP/OZ/RUS/CHI/MERCOSUR/CHILE/BR/rest of SA.

    You hate us, we hate you.

    May 21st, 2014 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    TTT is a frightened young man. Afraid of his own shadow. He is intelligent enough to know his country is collapsing, and inflation and crime is rising, but he is powerless to do anything to change his future of continued and worsening poverty.

    Pity him because his lashing out at everyone is just fear.

    May 21st, 2014 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    @ 27 either that or he is a prick-twat (to use his own words...)

    May 21st, 2014 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Clearly Toby is having a hard time facing reality when you've been lied to your whole semi adult life.

    12/1 is back.

    May 21st, 2014 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • boufiewolf

    It's best to be thought you are a fool, then start typing and remove all doubt Toby

    May 21st, 2014 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #30
    It's a pity you don't take your own advice.

    May 21st, 2014 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    26 The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld (#)

    TRUTH.

    You hate us, we hate you.
    [- your opinion only]

    you as in you [ u ] hate us,
    but we as in us do not hate you,

    David has stated we are all friends,
    so do we believe him,, or you..lol

    May 21st, 2014 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • boufiewolf

    32
    You beat me to it.
    31
    I'm sorry you feel that way. I don't hate Toby, pity him maybe but I don't use that word when referring to a person, I prefer strongly dislike but I don't. I hate the system that makes him feel that way. I just don't like racism or bigotry as it offends my Christian sensabilities. I only threw that statement out to make a joke, sorry.

    May 21st, 2014 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ricagp

    TTT

    You (TTT) hate us
    No one here hate Argentina.
    In fact, I like you. :-)

    As I stated before, I even have some Argie friends (altough I have to admit that most of them are like CabezaDura, I mean, very critical of their country).

    Since I'm not argentine, I'm not that critical. I prefer to highlight the positive points of your country, as I did many times here. And some negatives as well. Every country has its ups and downs, like my beloved Argentina.

    Acalmate ;-)

    May 21st, 2014 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • La Patria

    @16 The_Truth_shall_B_Trolld

    As the vast majority of Argentines are from European descendants who moved to Argentina within the last 150, I do not understand where this xenophobia comes from.
    I know there is the common Argentine 'Am I European or South American?' complex. I also know many who view their country as superior to the rest of South America as, in their words, 'we are more white and European'.
    You lambasting the Europeans is like Conqueror lambasting the Scottish......you both probably have some bloodline to those peoples.

    May 21st, 2014 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ricagp

    35 La Patria,

    It changed a lot in the last 20/30 years and its more common among porteños, and even among them it's in full decline. I lived in Buenos Aires and never heard of it, although I knew about the fame before I moved there. Immigration from neighbouring countries and economic problems changed Argentina in many ways.

    In fact, Peronism has an old tradition of anti-europeism. Evita once said that Europe was just a museum, didn't mattered at all and the future of the world was Peronist Argentina.

    But it's also true that generally argies don't hate europeans as TTT does.

    May 21st, 2014 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @35 Peronists think of Argentina as a Latin American, not an European country. They are anti-globalization, not anti-European. They want less American and British influence in Argentina. But nobody is like nearly as loony xenophobic as Toby.

    May 21st, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 37 MagnusMaster

    But how is it going to reduce, all this influence that the US, UK and the Europeans have in Argentina?

    Who owns the majority of the major companies such as GM, VW, Citroen, FIAT, etc.

    If these companies pull themselves out of your country you would be industrially bereft and the whole economy would be in a flat spin even quicker than it will be, by the look of it.

    I have tied my level best to see how anybody who comes in can do the necessary things to stop the impending disaster but there just is not the time (and possibly the will) available.

    May 21st, 2014 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    I've just heard a story about a friend of my wife's who was driving on the Panamericana motorway (at km65) and came across a traffic accident. It was a lorry loaded with live cows that had turned over. There was a crowd of people surrounding the accident and he was shocked to realise that they were killing the cows, butchering them and walking off with large pieces of meat. They were cheering and there was blood everywhere.

    He said it was like a scene from an apocalyptic movie!!! How desparate and hungry do people have to be to behave like that?

    What would they do if they ever got hold of CFK? Eat her? If so, they'd risk botox poisoning!

    May 22nd, 2014 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tRoll_with_the_Punches

    @39

    It is unfortunate that foreigners do not know how to behave properly.

    May 22nd, 2014 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    These were Argentines in Argentina or are you saying that this form of looting is “proper behaviour”?

    May 22nd, 2014 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tRoll_with_the_Punches

    I'm saying it was foreigners that in the millions came to Argentina in the 1990s for the dollar rate and never found proper jobs, had 10 children per family, and those children now have children.

    May 22nd, 2014 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • La Patria

    @42 what is the difference between the foreigners that arrived in the 1990s and the foreigners that arrived in the 1900s? Their origin or colour of skin?
    One immigrant can't complain about another

    May 22nd, 2014 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    we wonder if [ 42 ] is a foreigner, or a native to Argentina ??

    May 22nd, 2014 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    39. That happened during the last crash when I lived there. I remember seeing people on the hwy covered in blood running away with pieces of cow.
    Frightful
    And this is just the beginning of the end.
    BCRA may have been forced to give up supporting the ever worthless peso. Exports are down 7% with what is supposed to be a decent Soy crop. Automakers are starting mass layoffs with more to follow and they may pack up and leave for good.
    I am hoping for a brutally cold winter in BA. That will be the tipping point to the civil unrest I've been expecting for some time now. I want the K gov't to go down in flames like Chavism is Venezuela. WIth a bang not a whimper. People need to remember how populism destroyed their lives and the lives of their children.
    Then things can get on track and grow.

    May 22nd, 2014 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tRoll_with_the_Punches

    @43

    Two differences, but none have to do with the immigrant, but the circumstances:

    a) in 1900 Argentina was at the height of its power and life cycle, it could absorb millions of poor immigrants without much problem, in fact it needed them. So there was faster upward mobility. Today, Argentina is at the end of its economic cycle as a country, like all countries in history have and will face.

    The country no longer has resources or a favorable international environment to grow long-term. As a result it cannot absorb immigrants the same way and those people remained in many cases mired in precarious finances.

    b) In 1900 there were no social services offered by government, the immigrants were literally on their own to sink or swim. Today they are offered a plethora of services without ever having paid a cent into the system. Open immigration on the 1990s + generous welfare services of the 2000s is bad fiscal policy. So many of those immigrants were educated to expect things, and not to make it on their own.

    May 22nd, 2014 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Holy Crap BCRA stopped authorizing Bank sales of U$.
    Wow!
    What oh what could be next?
    They basically shut down all trade.
    Not a good sign
    I think the kitty has run dry

    May 22nd, 2014 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PhraseWizard

    To:
    The_Truth_Shall_Be_Trolld (sic) and all other Argentines:
    No we don't hate you. There are too many good Argentines for such an evil thought. But, we do pity you for allowing the worst of your society to rule; for perpetuating Argentine myths that are not based on reality, and doing so arrogantly; for being proud where you should feel shame; for having re-elected a clearly bad person as your current president; for standing by like sheep to the slaughter while your government steals from the poor to enrich the head of government and her henchman. You are infamous throughout Latin America, as you will be in history, if you do not change your ways.

    May 22nd, 2014 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    What is this about a fake letter from the Pope to CFK? Who produced the fake letter?

    May 22nd, 2014 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tRoll_with_the_Punches

    Yes yes yes, more Argentina is at fault for everything in everything.

    What an old, broken record. Boring.

    May 23rd, 2014 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Catholic Church and Cristina Fernandez downplay impact of recent document on 'violence in Argentina'
    That's the Headline.

    But we now hear a corrupy Argentine priest has been sending letters from the Vatican to Cristina PURPORTING to be from the Pope.

    How did he think he could get away with it?

    The problem is when Argentines leave B.A. for the real world they think their corrupt rules still apply.

    FAIL.

    May 23rd, 2014 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • La Patria

    It can't be a priest....CFK's lot are trying to find a scapegoat. A priest wouldn't have made basic errors such as omitting the word 'virgin' from María Santísima de Luján.

    Also, how can Parrilli then say it is not fake when the Vatican has claimed it is? Is he accusing the Vatican of lying?
    This goes beyond embarrassing and delusional!

    May 23rd, 2014 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Ah, that is where it came from. The government put the letter up on its website for some time before it was pointed put by the Vatican that it is fake. I guess CFK must have thought it was real.

    May 23rd, 2014 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 53 ElaineB

    She thinks the Malvinas are real, what more proof does anybody need?

    May 23rd, 2014 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Soon Cristina will be riding Unicorns,

    Pope-corn Francis will confirm this.

    I reckon she has got sonething on him that she is holding back.

    Untill she needs to use it.

    May 25th, 2014 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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