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Argentina and Russia ratify close links; Moscow reaffirms Malvinas claim support
Argentina was formally invited to take part in a BRICS summit to be held in Brazil next month. The Kremlin also ratified support to Buenos Aires in its long-standing dispute with the UK over the sovereignty of the Malvinas Islands. Read full article
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May 29th, 2014 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Commenting on the Argentina-UK dispute, Lavrov said, “It is necessary to resume talks on this issue as soon as possible in order to resolve the dispute by peaceful means.”
This is NOT support for Argentina's position, merely repeating the usual neutral UN reference to talks. I'm pretty sure Russia's diplomats in London will have reported that Hague invited Timerman to talks in London when he was there but that Timerman ran away. Since Lavrov previously compared Russia's position on Crimea to the UK's position on the Falklands, he can hardly be strongly supporting the Ukrainian / Argentine positions.
Keep up the good work Mr T - your last visit was such a success (for the islanders) that you are welcome back to the UK anytime!
If allowed to join, which is questionable, it would become BRIC- ARS ?
May 29th, 2014 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think I knew someone who was once called that, at least behind his back.
Yet another nail in the English diplomatic coffin in the South Atlantic....
May 29th, 2014 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You wish, Think.
May 29th, 2014 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0But your wishes are doomed to failure.
Why should we sit at a ”negotiating table?
1) There is nothing to negotiate.
2) What is Argentina offering?
As per # 2 above, l suspect, nothing, as they have nothing that we want.
So Argentina would come to the negotiating table, offering nothing but expecting everything!
Get real Argentina, wake up, its coffee time.
@3
May 29th, 2014 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0If this is the best you can do to keep the lid on a coffin, I'd suggest you refrain from vampire hunting as well as further attempts at diplomacy.
During the Falkland's War the U.S.S.R. was very eager to assist the Junta. Argentina obligingly furnished the locations of all of it's naval vessels. Norwegian intelligence intercepted the transmissions and, equally obligingly, passed the information to the British.
May 29th, 2014 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Conclusion: Russian assistance is over-rated.
Haha, Argentina joining the Brics, that is hysterical. Russia's attitude isn't exactly unexpected after Prince Charles compared Putin to Hitler and the ongoing sanctions. The truth is that China, Russia, Brazil and India are cut from a very similar mould, they all have very dubious human rights records, in that respect Argentina would naturally be drawn to countries of that ilk.
May 29th, 2014 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0This all plays out well for the Falklands though as the closer Argentina aligns itself with countries like Russia and Iran, the less likely they will continue to attract support for their bogus claim from respectable countries.
The only way the Falklands are ever going move from their present status is a successful Argentine invasion, again hysterical, or independence. The problem for Argentina is that the world always has more serious matters to address and that won't ever change.
Poor Argentina, always the loser.
The soviets offered some help to the junta due to the cold war.
May 29th, 2014 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0But unoffically were quite happy to see the facists get a well deserved kicking.
@3
May 29th, 2014 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Must be the heaviest coffin in the world with all of the “nails” in it.
Two of a kind; full of their own self-importance. And of the Russian diplomatic coffin (Think @ #3) I would say the lid is well and truly nailed down by the international community.
May 29th, 2014 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Again as with Brazil and others, Russia will polity nod and mouth some pleasantries about resolving/talking to achieve some amicable resolution to all sides: basically no change from the last 50+ years.
May 29th, 2014 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Russia & China are permanent members of the security council, when are we going to see some real action from these so called RG buddies? Answer: never. Iran may re-name Bobby Sands Street to 'Malvinas Avenue' outside the UK embassy in Tehran, but that's as good is it will ever get.
“Yet another nail in the English diplomatic coffin in the South Atlantic....”
May 29th, 2014 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a pathetic, infantile and shallow understanding of pretty much everything.
The BRICS is a totally ineffective organisation and adding Argentina would change nothing.
As for Russia's “support”. What has Argentina gained? As usual, nothing. After 79 years..... sweet F all.
It has been an enjoyable few years watching you grasp at very single straw flung your way.
Yeah, yeah, blah.
May 29th, 2014 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Russia is getting desperate for friends and didn't support Argentina's 'position', just the usual call for peaceful outcomes for all.
Also it is so very easy for Argentina to sign treaties regarding the non-weaponisation of Space. As if it has any say the matter anyway!
No one cares what Timmerman thinks, or signs.
Laughable!
Don't forget the Russian Bear's style and mindplay, although it is obvious they are more likely to use Argentina than the other way round.
May 29th, 2014 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0If tensions with the UK increase over Ukraine, sending some ships for “training” with, err hum, the Argentine navy in the South Atlantic will be used to stir the s**t over the islands and could try to be used as leverage.
Think, As good old Prince Charles rightly said Putin behaving just like the Nazis, nice to see Argentina cosying up to such scum but lets be honest you have history of entertaining and housing Nazi criminals.
May 29th, 2014 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well we won't have to worry about Argentine nuclear weapons in outer space then.....that is a mighty relief.
May 29th, 2014 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Russian line is the same as the large majority of fence sitters on the Falklands issue. It neither implies support for the Argentine position nor the UK position.
But happily many former fence sitters are prepared to add that they support the Falkland Islanders position so clearly expressed in last years referendum. Basic human right to self determination.
I've been thinking about the coherence of the concept of the 'BRICS', and the extent to which it might be extensible to include other countries.
May 29th, 2014 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0The grouping does not hang together AT ANY LEVEL.
Late-stage developing countries (BRICS) might be characterised by high levels of drift of rural populations to urban cities - but this takes place in undeveloped countries like Argentina, in BRICS like Brasil, and in developed countries like Britain.
So we must look at the degree of development of the rural areas and the now-populous 'city-states'. The US 'rust belt' is significantly derelict but has a high degree of 'service provision' and infrastructure; the mega-cities like Sao Paulo's favelas and Mumbai's Banganga slums show that fully developed megacities can never catch up with social need (even London suffers from a Victorian sewerage system).
Perhaps in all levels of national society there can be VERY few that are, in all respects, 'Developed'. Tiny 'city-states' can achieve this most easily - like Singapore; but even here the Johore Strait agricultural strip is poorly developed and there is still 'urban renewal' in old kampong slum areas.
No, even the great developed countries of the world have derelict and third world regions. Perhaps the most any country can hope for is that the few great cities that they host might be - at least for some span of time - 'state of the art'.
“is based in a common vision about the essence of international relations, values and objectives of common well-being that both nations are building.” What a joke. Neither one of them gives a rats ass about international values and well being.
May 29th, 2014 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0muppet 13
May 29th, 2014 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Russia is getting desperate for friends and didn't support Argentina's 'position', just the usual call for peaceful outcomes for all.”
now you know what russia wants and thinks...laughable.
you have never been to russia, you don´t even know where is located, you have never read a russian newspaper, you dont even know a single word in russian, but you know what they want or think...laughable.
@3 Thank you. The Falkland Islands are in the SOUTH ATLANTIC. Nothing to do with argieland, that is, at best, in the Argentine Sea. And yes, we do have a coffin for you. 2 foot by 2 foot. As all argies are arses. In the event of a difficulty, we can split them down the middle. Aren't they used to that?
May 29th, 2014 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 You forgot to mention that, in the event of another invasion, argieland will be destroyed. They get one spanking for being naughty. Next time round, it'll be for real.
@14 How is Russia going to get involved in “training” with the argie “navy”? Salvaging it? Towing it? Teaching it which way is up? Russia isn't too good on water. Little Japan put paid to the Russian Navy.
@18 Best thing to note is that Putin has finally realised that his name is only Putin, not “Rasputin”. Also that he's stepped too far. The West hasn't “caved” and begged. He's pulling back. Removing the troops he said weren't there. Oh look, the similarity between argieland and Russia. They LIE!
@19 Spasibo, tovarisch. Do you “understand” that? Somewhere in this “comment” is a clue, pal. Can you work it out, dumdum?
@paulcedron ,целовать мои белые задницы британцев
May 29th, 2014 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JAJAJA make of that baby what ever you like
Russia doesn’t want Argentina in the BRICs group. Neither does China.
May 29th, 2014 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What they want is cheap and easy lip service, and Argentina is the best source of that.
CFK after a call from the “Boss of the Kremlin”, told her diplomats to abstain from the Crimea UN resolution when she had previously voted against it quoting exactly the same reason for why they did not recognize the Malvinas/Falkland referendum last year.
Her point now seems to be “Because of UK double standards I will abstain in Crimea”. But will end up being a Russian useful tool on the long term.
Russia seems to understand the Kirchnerist ego and exploits it very well.
Its only China that seems to retain its status as a dynamic, powerful and evolving economy. India, Russia and Brazil have failed to deliver on expectations and other countries are emerging faster and are more promising now
Its the disparity that exists between China and the rest of the BRICS that will become a nail in the coffin for the group.
Perhaps if paulie could be bothered to investigate the background a little more he wouldn't make himself look so stupid on these comment boards.
May 29th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would refer him also to
@ redrow.
it is quite possible that paulie has never heard of TASS. Yet he claims knowledge of other posters that he has never met and couldn't possibly know much about them.
I pity this sad, frustrated individual.
Anyway, moving on from the singular idiot to the plurality of idiots with Timmerman the sycophant.
Russia is hardly welcoming Argentina into BRIC group. It has said the “ issue would require careful consideration”
That's hardly a red carpet welcome, just diplomatic speech for “hmmm...
we'll think about it for a while, don't call us. .”
So a bit of a non-story really. The Russians gained a signature for their space treaty and Timmerman did some arse kissing.
To all of those whom, as I, support the Falkland Islands:
May 29th, 2014 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been posting recently about the fictional Duchy of Grand Fenwick monarchy led by polo fanatic Duchess Gloriana XIV, allegedly supporting Argentina's pretension that the ”Falkland Islands is nothing more than a “fictional delusion of foreign colonists that illegally continue to occupy the rightfully national territory of Argentina.”
Apparently no one sees the humor and frankly you seem to be blind to the fact that CFK's public relations campaign is slowly succeeding. This latest farce with Russia is because they need friends that will turn a blind eye towards the Ukraine situation.
In turn, Argentina now has TWO permanent members of the UN Security Council on their side. It doesn't help that the US remains neutral.
And yes, my country is pandering to our kleptomaniac neighbor for economic reasons more than anything else.
Yes, obviously the Argentine claims are bogus, but it still deeply concerns me.
@24
May 29th, 2014 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't give CFK too much credit, I must say. Maybe a little but barely.
There are two far more important dynamics at work:
a) What has the UK brought to the table in a possible relationship to Argentina since 1983??
Absolutely nothing. There is not one thing one can mention worth of note that could sway Argentina to seek closer links to the UK. They are utterly irrelevant tangibly and in words in Argentina's sphere.
Meanwhile all these other countries send overtures and offer at least words or the wish for some relationship.
So... UK offers NOTHING, the other countries offer SOMETHING... what do you expect Argentina to choose?
b) The UK as I have mentioned by its arrogance within Europe, its intransigence outside Europe, its wars of aggression, its diva complexes in the EU, etc, is not encouraging anyone else to get “closer”.
Those two variables are mainly responsible for the UK's retreat on all fronts, not just the Falklands. The UK's relations with the EU are at a nadir, with Russia at a nadir, with the USA at a nadir, with many African countries and India at a nadir. That is why they are making a push in Latin America, with limited success thus far.
And they have in Scotland a major internal problem to attend to.
Simple as the above.
@24
May 29th, 2014 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking for myself, I greatly enjoy the Duchy of Grand Fenwick, and I've been looking forward to news of Commander DoverOverDover's appointment there as naval attache.
I'd also like to see a more robust British response, but I can also see why they might prefer to opt for a strategy of not feeding the troll. I'm less worried about Russia and China than you are, since as far as I can see there is no change in the historical position of either of them, while neither seems to be offering more than lip service to worthy sentiments about peace and dialogue that nobody could possibly object to (except of course themselves and Argentina in their own conduct). As for the US, they have nothing to gain by coming down off the fence when the UK has no need for support, but I have no doubt that if push came to shove they would.
@24 Yes, I understood about the Duchy of Fenwick being a fictional construct, I just wasn't sure where you were going with it, or why. You even claimed it was published in The Sun you naughty boy, but not even The Sun would go in such depth! So I thought it was best to leave it....
May 29th, 2014 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good effort tho!
:-)
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The Russians nor any of the others on the UN Security Council have no interest in getting involved in any dispute with Britain over the Falklands. They have nothing to gain by doing so. Possibly the Russians might use the 'dispute', or rather use Argentina, as part of their interminable global-politicking chess games. That's what they do. They will pretend to show an interest, Argentina will lap-up the attention, Russia might use it to niggle the British on occasion. Once it no longer serves their purpose they will toss it away like an empty tube of toothpaste.
Good on ya Russia.
May 29th, 2014 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28
May 29th, 2014 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For once I agree with Vestige. Take a leaf out of Redrow's book and look this up on the TASS site. See what the Russians have actually said, and the prominence with which they have said it, and then compare that to the Argentine version.
It's amazing what Putin will do for a BJ from CFK puffy lips...Putin, one word of advice, don't forget to wipe the lipstick off your knob.
May 29th, 2014 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0russia is in chinas pocket now.... they will slowly turn the screw
May 29th, 2014 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the deal with Russia is a good one,
May 29th, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We all know Russia's Mr Putin can’t survive without CFK and argentine forces to assist as back up.
Yep eye can just see it now, argentine troops in the Ukraine,
The mighty argentine navy enters the Mediterranean heading for the black see, to do battle with the small US Navy,
And the mighty argentine air force blowing foreign military planes from the skies of Europe on the way to the east to help their greatest ally,
And in return the mighty Russian military sails and flies down south to aid its newest alli to defeat the nasty pirates and give CFK the Falklands back.
Yep, I cant wait,
Flying pigs may help…lol
I think it is very odd that Argentina cozies up to Russia at the same time needing the USA to sign off on the Paris Club Agreement.
May 29th, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are really dumb.
[ allies]
May 29th, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes @33 I agree.
@33 And although Argentina seems to like milking US neutrality on the Falklands status they must be wearing Kevlar boots to cosy up with Putin, ensuring they will spite the nose of the USA-I find it both hilarious and unbelievable that Argentina think its a good idea to shit on the USA's doorstep, knowing that the USA may decide to abandon neutrality over the Falklands (as in 1982).
May 29th, 2014 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Timerman thinks the US would abide with Russian warships taking control of the South Atlantic he must have breathed in too much burning tyre smoke.
@33
May 29th, 2014 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0&
@35
Some very good points there.
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May 29th, 2014 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The best strategy we could do with Russia is to buy a minimum of 50 Sukhoi 30 (or 35 better) and some warships and also cleaning of british the South Atlantic that they makes it both infected with his revulsion presence.
May 29th, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 038. Your country doesn't have enough money to buy fuel to keep the population warm this winter
May 29th, 2014 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good luck trying to re-arm when
Nobody takes pesos.
Oh you british are so arrogant that amaze me. Or are you jelous that nations gets united without your daddy the USA,? or without your permission or consent?. Be happy.
May 29th, 2014 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes...I just looked, Russia was one of the 40 or so countries who supported Argentina at the UNGA vote in 2008, not one of the 60+ that supported the UK.
May 29th, 2014 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, old news...and still nowhere near enough.
If “the world” supports Argentina...the “world and a half” supports the UK.
As you were..LOL
paulcedron sounds a lot like “demented” SussieUS, with his “stinky ass”.
May 29th, 2014 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was one of her stupid sayings.
Hey paullie-boy, ask your handlers for a new Troll Book.
Don't use hers, you don't know where its been!
@38 José Mal-de-dum-dum,
You'll need more than bottle tops to pay for your desired aircraft.
l suppose you could cash in all your empty beer bottles that are hidden under your bed.
l almost think that we should buy your aircraft for you, so we could have the pleasure of shooting you down.
Not forgetting the target practice that our boys would get.
l did say “almost”!
Why waste good money on you losers?
@40 Liberato,
Of course we're arrogant, we conquered 1/3 of the world.
What did you do?
Oh thats right, massacred your lndian & Black populations, invaded all of your neighbours, claimed land that is not yours, attempted to take OUR land, for which you got a bloody nose & then continue to bitch & whine & moan & complain because you can't get your own way……you are just losers.
And arrogant losers at that!
We may be arrogant(in your eyes)but we accomplished things.
You are arrogant & you are pathetic.
Liberato
May 29th, 2014 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are very very happy, thanks.
Tonight, the Falkland Islanders sleep happy in their beds, safe in the knowledge that the sovereignty they enjoy is, and will remain theirs.
We are happy because the fundamental rights for the islanders to have self-determination on their islands is enshrined in numerous UN resolutions and the UN charter.
We are happy because their is nothing, not a single thing you weak cowardly fascist colonialist Malvinistas can do about it.
But mostly we are happy because it make you weak, cowardly, fascist Malvinistas so angry at your own impotence,
Well said Isolde@43
May 29th, 2014 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have my full support. As well as 2/3 of the World. Including all the decision makers. Aarf!
The other 1/3 just pays lip service and it is very easy to change their minds with a little soft or hard power depending on the situation.
Above all, Argentina is skint. Nothing of concern there.
The FIG should concentrate on building on the solid existing relationship with Chile. Eventually all the others will fall in line.
I hear you guys are pretty good at controlling sheep!
Be patient!
All the best.
Ilsen
@38
May 29th, 2014 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Jose, how many nuns can you fit in a Su-30?
What does the Argentine mean by “double standards” can he not see the difference. ... the Russians had tanks and armed soldiers placed outside the polling station. .. stupid uneducated man.
May 29th, 2014 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43
May 30th, 2014 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whoop whoop!!!
Right on, Isolde. Give it to 'em!!!
Just waiting for creepy misogynist El Thinko to appear so you can kick him in the nuts!!!
Bah ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
:-D
Ha ha!
May 30th, 2014 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0We Salute La Isolde!
You are worth 1,000,000 Argentine troops!
I enjoy Argentinas double standards, supporting the referendum in Crimea (under the threat of military assault) but not supporting the independently observed and verified referendum in the Falklands.
May 30th, 2014 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely the breakaway of Crimea disrupted Ukraines “territorial integrity” and was a “usurption”.
It's hilarious watching these clowns make idiots of themselves
Agreed, the irony is lost on Argentina and Russia.
May 30th, 2014 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's what makes this so much more enjoyable.
Heres some pictures for RGs to enjoy!
May 30th, 2014 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/10863111/In-pictures-Winners-announced-in-Royal-Navy-Peregrine-Trophy-photography-awards.html
I Think! Isolde just sank the Argie fleet (Liberturd?). They have no answer
May 30th, 2014 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0#43 Monkey, quote: “Tonight, the Falkland Islanders sleep happy in their beds, safe in the knowledge that the sovereignty they enjoy is, and will remain theirs.”
May 30th, 2014 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the only reason of the military force, and a unilaterally voice that claim to be british self determined but no ones in the world believes them.
Quote2: “We are happy because the fundamental rights for the islanders to have self-determination on their islands is enshrined in numerous UN resolutions and the UN charter.”
Thats what you think it is. First The UN GA and DC makes resolutions and draft resolutions explaining the colonial situation and the sovereignty dispute asking the uk and Argentina to negotiate sovereignty taken account of islanders interests and not its wishes.
Besides the fact both bodies of the UN considers the islands a territory under a colonial situation.
Quote3:“But mostly we are happy because it make you weak, cowardly, fascist Malvinistas so angry at your own impotence”
No no, i think you have some psicological problem there if you feel that. Stop being a serial masturbating teen monkey. Do me a favour. Go find a girl and be happy with her.
Bhaaahahaha! !!!!!!!!
May 30th, 2014 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact of the matter is there is no dispute as to the Falklands islands sovereignty. The land is owned by the Falkland Islanders and is a British Overseas Territory. Argentina can rant all they like but the people of the Falklands just wish to be left alone in peace, and recently voted to remain a BOT, by an overwhelming majority.
May 30th, 2014 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The elephant in the room that Argentina fails to recognize is their military adventure in 1982 was a dreadful mistake. They then claim that this has nothing to do with current Argentina, but then go on to celebrate the invasion.
Can anyone explain why every time Tinpot goes abroad at some point he talks about the Falklands. Yet when invited in London to discuss matter, when he found out that Falkland islanders would be present he RAN AWAY.
So talks were offered but he ran away. Anyone explain that, please, anyone?
Argentina has always had a fondness for National Socialists invading neighbouring European States.
May 30th, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53
May 30th, 2014 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, I am happily married and have been for years.
Second of all, the majority of the world support the UK position, in 2008 the UNGA voted on whether a sovereignty dispute in a NSGT overruled self-determination. 61 voted with the UK, 40 with Argentina...(22 of which were Latin countries). So stop lying,
Thirdly, the UN have NEVER said that the islanders wishes shouldn't be taken into account. LIAR. What a weak argument...the UN didn't say that sovereignty should be negotiated either.
What it said was the sovereignty dispute should be resolved through peaceful means...taking into account the UN Charter (where all people have the right to self determination), where 2008 resolution confirms this means all NSGTs people in their own lands, and the interests of the islanders.
Who is best placed to understand said interests? argentina? LOL
My advice to you is stop lying...
The world does not support you...40 countries do at the last vote (22 Latin) where's 61 voted with us..
I am sorry you despise the truth as it it kills your brainwashing.
@53, @57
May 30th, 2014 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's not forget either the large number who couldn't be bothered to vote at all. It's a small world indeed that supports Argentina, and it consists only of the implanted Italo-Iberian colonial populations of South America, nutters, dictatorships and a couple of others whose interests happen to coincide.
Meanwhile, even the last Chairman of the C24 believes the Falklands question shouldn't be at the C24 at all :
“Yo diría que hasta está mal ubicado el tema de Malvinas dentro del Comité de Descolonización. Porque no estamos hablando de una colonia.”
“I would say it is up misplaced Malvinas theme within the Decolonization Committee. Because we're not talking about a colony.”
Diego Morejon Pazmino
http://tiempo.infonews.com/2012/10/08/argentina-87812-los-ingleses-no-tienen-argumentos-para-evitar-el-dialogo-por-malvinas.php
F35 Lightning II
May 30th, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.f35.com/news
interesting site.
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Just a tease - I'll give you the best look yet at the amazing new USS ZUMWALT (DDG 1000). More next week
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Plus our two mighty carriers.
At a push how many carriers could the royal navy have,
If it had the money..
CFK, watch ya back…
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USS ZUMWALT.
May 30th, 2014 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Her lines remind me of an Ironclad!
This join up with the Russians makes not a blind bit of difference,russia assisted the argentine junta with weapons as some of weapony used was brought from russia.So nothing has changed.The referendum in 2013 has been enshrined into the UN,also the original statements that argentina never had anything on the islands over the past 400yrs,no claims at all,so russian intervention is nothing,especially russia has nowt to talk about with ukraine on doorstep.
May 30th, 2014 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The man from Demonte say.
May 30th, 2014 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isit okay with the Russians.
Part of the strategy, in English, and worth reading:
May 30th, 2014 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/russia-uses-state-television-to-sway-opinion-at-home-and-abroad-a-971971.html
@59
May 30th, 2014 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your posts.
@61/@62
Russia will just use the Argies in its own global chess-like machinations, then toss them aside.
Russia doesn't give a toss about any Argentine 'interests'.
@ ilsen & Troy.
May 30th, 2014 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your support.
You'd think that these malvinista nit-wits would come up with something original.
l think that they are all very mentally challenged.
@53 Liberato,
Another of your lies.
The UN does NOT ask the UK and Argentina to “discuss Sovereignty”.
The UN merely requests the UK and Argentina to resolve the dispute, peacefully.
Quite a different thing, really.
We've told you Argentines that we don't want anything to do with you.
You should just accept that & walk away.
lt was a UNGA Resolution which is not binding.
When did Argentina listen to anything the UN said anyway?
The UNSC issued Resolution #502 in 1982, which is binding.
“That Argentina immediately remove all of its military forces from the Falklands, etc etc” and which Argentina refused to do.
So you losers, only obey UN Resolutions that you like & refuse to obey the ones that you don't like.
Your stupid country should be booted out of the UN for a start.
And you wonder why we don't like you or want anything to do with you.
Brainless, lying twits.
What they failed to achieve by force of arms, they now believe that they can negotiate by talking.
May 30th, 2014 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excuse me, when you started shooting you lost all rights to talk.
Isolde
May 30th, 2014 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Oh thats right, massacred your lndian & Black populations, invaded all of your neighbours, claimed land that is not yours, attempted to take OUR land, for which you got a bloody nose & then continue to bitch & whine & moan & complain because you can't get your own way……you are just losers.”
Lets see...
“Oh thats right, massacred your lndian & Black populations” - Yes, you did.
“invaded all of your neighbours” - Yes, you did.
“claimed land that is not yours” - Yes, you do.
“attempted to take OUR land” - Yes, you did. (Yes, Montevideo too)
“for which you got a bloody nose & then continue to bitch & whine & moan & complain because you can't get your own way……” - Yes, you did and yes, you do.
“you are just losers.” - Well, yes, you are...
Oh Stevie, you are awfully boring. What a load of weak, pointless bullshit. None of it supports any of your usual arguments. Just more of your tiresome vitriolic bile. Get a life or jog on,youou amateur.
May 31st, 2014 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@65 Isolde
As always you make some very clear points that simply cannot be argued with.
@65 Isolde
Big Shout Out to the Little Monsters! Even better than the Stealth Penguins! Hurrah!
65 Isolde
May 31st, 2014 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Np, tired of listening to the irrelevant “whataboutery” that has nothing to do with Argentine aggression towards the Falklands, and the ridiculous re-imagining of the purported slights and trodden-on toes of 200 years ago.
Doesn't “Liberato” sound a bit like the “Mendoniño” righteously indignant anti-monarchist??
@69
May 31st, 2014 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinista logic holds that anything Argentina does is perfectly OK if somebody else can be alleged to have done something similar somewhere else.
@67 Stevie,
May 31st, 2014 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never said that we didn't do any of those things, so what is your point?
We both(& other nations did that & more)have shameful things in our past.
lt started out that some malvinista creep, Liberato, said that we were arrogant & l agreed with him, while pointing out that Argentines are more arrogant but have nothing to show for it.
Have done very little to advance the quality of life on this planet, in fact are getting a free ride from the rest of us.
And then you have the gall to “demand” OUR territory while snivelling to whoever will listen that you've been hard done by, by the British.
l have to tell ya, you ain't agonna make it in this world.
We've earned our right to be arrogant, you have not!
Wouldbes-if-you-couldbes.
Isolde
May 31st, 2014 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0You lot are arrogant and the only thing you got to show for it, is somebody elses accomplishments.
Personally, you lot are a bunch of useless consumers of oxygen, contributors of carbondioxide and delusions.
In recent times all you have done for humanity is reducing its numbers in order to steal natural resources. Call that an accomplishment if you wish so...
As for being “done by”, you lot did so indeed back in the beginning of the 19th Century. Twice.
Fact is, you lot were in such a hurry to sail, you even left Montevideo in the process...
Be arrogant if you wish so, but don't blame us or take credit from people that has nothing to do with you.
Try to accomplish something, anything, by yourself.
Stevie
May 31st, 2014 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are an ignorant, thick, racist turd...but never mind, with shortcomings as severe as yours, make-belief shortcomings of others may make you feel better.
I assume by “you lot” you are including Isolde as part of the UK, rather than a Falkland Islander...good, glad you accept they can be both.
As far as recent accomplishments for the UK is concerned, in the past 12 months the UK has led numerous medical, pharmaceutical, scientific, engineering and technological advances, I am sorry that Uruguay has almost none...other than your long awaited “free energy” and “new politic” papers the world is waiting for with baited breath.
I have a good laugh at your success claims from the early 19th century...my favourite Uruguay success from that period was your defeat of the Argentine forces with the help of the Spanish Falkland Islanders...many of whom became your countrymen...none became Argentine.
However, you taking credit for it is good fun too, but then you have nothing else to be proud of, except for your “energy research” lmfao...you are a nobody, a jumped up arrogant racist buffoon....but still a nobody.
And you Stevie, have proved yourself, over & over, to be a resentful fool(& a liar).
May 31st, 2014 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l will always look down on knuckle-draggers like yourself.
l, personally, couldn't care a less of your hopes & aspirations.
You yourself sound like the ultimate oxygen thief.
l don't take the credit for anything, even for putting morons like yourself in their proper place.
But hey, to balance all this intelligence in the world, we have to have retards like your good self to keep things even.
A quick look at Nobel prize winners of the last 30 years...shows “us lot” contributing far more than “racist stevies” lot
May 31st, 2014 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In fact Uruguay have never one any, but the UK averages 1 a year.
These of course are the pinnacle of contributions to humanity, there are other measures....all of which further destroy racist Stevies impotent rants.
@53: Reading UN GA resolution 2065(XX) it makes four requests to be upheld during negotiations:
Jun 01st, 2014 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. To find a peaceful solution to the problem
2. Due regard to the provisions and objectives of the UN Charter
3. Due regard to Resolution 1514 (XV) of the General Assembly
4. Due regard to the interests of the people of the Falkland Islands
Negotiations were proceeding between the Argentine Republic and Great Britain in March 1982 but the Argentine Republic decided to unilaterally terminate these negotiations in favor of settling the Argentine Republic's dispute over sovereignty by use of force in direct breach of the UN Charter
The colonial situation which covers the case of the Falkland Islanders was the imposition of a Crown Colony government on the Falkland Islanders by the British Metropole and it is the ending of this particular colonial situation that the UN Fourth Committee and UN Committee on Decolonization seek to end by the British allowing the Falkland Islanders Self-Determination and choice of Free Association or Independence whilst preserving the Territorial Integrity of both Great Britain and the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
Argentine pretensions to the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands(Malvinas) can only be settled by the UN International Court of Justice by explicit consent of the Falkland Islanders
As previously atated the argument of falklands islands can only be dicussed by the Falkland Island Legals peoples,and the UN ,the British goverment can only be the referee,as once the falklands had referendum in 2013 that was accepted ,the british goverment ties with falklands were reduced.As we all know in all countries the falkland residents dont want to talk to argentina at anytime.So just go away and leave the falklands alone.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2014/05/29/argentina-and-russia-ratify-close-links-moscow-reaffirms-malvinas-claim-support#comment329292: But a resumption of talks is the Argentinian position. The UK's position is to avoid talks. So, Russia is supporting Argentina's position.
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 078 Hepatia
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“But a resumption of talks is the Argentinian position. The UK's position is to avoid talks. ”
WRONG !
exactly the opposite is true.
The UK's Hague invited the Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timmerman, to meet with him in his London office, with elected members of the Falklands Government.
Timmerman declined.
No, Timmerman ran away.
@78 Hepatia,
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0l couldn't care less if Argentina was supported by the Devil, himself.
There will be NO TALKS about Sovereignty.
What part of the last sentence above, do you malvinistas not understand?
@80, Isolde, it's no use...these stupid Malvinistas - like Hepatitis - will keep on repeating the same crap, like a broken record....they have no valid arguments to carry-on a rational dialogue.
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But a resumption of talks is the Argentinian position.”
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahaha. Some people are just plain stupid.
Argentina doesn't want to talk. Why talk when you only have a single allowable outcome.
Oh I'm going to love the next 25 years and watching Argentina continue to fail to advance its position a millimetre.
Argentine has talked its self into a corner. The administration can shout at their own self imposed walls for the next 25 or 100,000 years.
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When we they realise that the World just doesn't care?
The Falkland Islands have Self Determined their right to exist.
End of Story.
So what happened to BRICS invitation ?
Jun 04th, 2014 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Russia - Argentina was not formally invited to the summit of BRICS”
http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/Rusia-aclaro-que-la-Argentina-aun-no-fue-formalmente-invitada-a-la-cumbre-del-BRICS-20140604-0069.html
Haha haha!
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