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Falklands to mark liberation from Argentine occupation on Saturday 14 June
To mark the anniversary of the liberation of the Falkland Islands from Argentine occupation in 1982, a program of activities has been arranged for Saturday 14 June 2014, beginning with a Thanksgiving Service to be held at Christ Church Cathedral commencing at 9.45 am, according to a release from Gilbert House. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSee Argentina, this is how it's done..... You celebrate the END of hostilities, not the commencement of them...
May 31st, 2014 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0We must forget the illegal invasion of 82 and continue to highlight that the perpetrators do not have any semblance of a valid sovereignty claim over the Falkland Islands.
May 31st, 2014 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good to see!!
May 31st, 2014 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's nice to see the islanders marking the day respectfully and honouring those who gave their lives to free them from a despotic occupation. If we here in the UK had to do it all over again, we would. We've already roved to the world that our armed forces can do the “impossible” and we would do it all over again for our brothers and sisters in the South Atlantic.
Knowing the present government in agentina, they will be “blasting” this ceremony as “provocative” and that it is further evidence of the UK “imperialist” and “colonial” past.
Still, if we lend them the SS Canberra, maybe they could also have a ceremony. They could put 400 of their army aboard and then “re enact” their forces homecoming..................
just a thought..........
How long will we have to wait before Argentina finally, wholeheartedly, apologises for the unprovoked invasion in 82 and the death, injury and loss to all (not just their 649 'brave heroes') the many thousands effected? Not in my lifetime I suspect. Hiding behind the actions of their military junta, yet still celebrating the 2nd April serves them no purpose other then contempt.
May 31st, 2014 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure we could slip one of these into the fireworks display, just need to angle it west.
May 31st, 2014 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brimstone_(missile)
Sorry no fireworks and 1 it is not a celebration- we Commemorate those who fell in our Libveration, during the service at one part we also remember all the Argentines who lost their lives. Yes its a proud day to be a Falkland Islander and British - but its remembering the cost on both sides more than partying.
May 31st, 2014 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0TMBOA will be scweeming and scweeming her head of over this militarising of the South Atlantic.
May 31st, 2014 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0With all that Botox she looks so much like The Jabberwocky I am surprised nobody has cut her head off!
Ah well, I can only hope.
(Apologises to Lewis Carroll)
Yes Jimlad...you are right. I could never understand why they celebrate the start of wars...like May 25...the start of the Revolution...Independence day isn't actually till July 9. Of course they love revolutions in these countries....
May 31st, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Argentina is still waiting for an apology for the unprovoked invasion in 1833.
May 31st, 2014 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's attempt to reposes the islands by military force was an act of mad men.
The military Junta was not very smart but resulted in Argentina a long Democracy and the FI recognition and prosperity. Sadly However it costs the lives of men on both sides.
@9
May 31st, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 01833 you say! Show me the facts with respect to the CONTEXT of the time regarding the removal of unauthorised European criminals from the Falklands. Very much a difference of opinion here, different rules, different century; just like when Argentina invaded and conquered the desert many decades after the common criminal Gaucho Riverria got the boot.
Unfortunately.. The image shown is not of Liberation Day Parade..
May 31st, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was taken on April 1st 2007..
The parade was a commemoration of the Falkland Islands Defence Force who turned out to do their duty exactly 25 years before..
Additionally, only FIDF and members of the Falkland Islands Defence Force were on parade.
The standard (Flag) that was carried was that of the FIDFA, no other was present..
And finally, this was in no way whatsoever a celebration of war..
Everybody loses in war..
@9
May 31st, 2014 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina had not invaded the Islands there would have been no deaths, the deaths rest solely on Argentina !
My apologies to one and all.. The Parade was of the 30th anniversary, 2012. Not as previously stated..
May 31st, 2014 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My apologies..
@9
May 31st, 2014 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina didn't exist is 1833, they were just a bunch of lawless Spaniards, not much has changed.
The book The last Colonies by Robert Aldrich and John Connell page 200
May 31st, 2014 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 01833 ' The British commander raise the Union Jack, claimed possession of the islands and expelled the Argentinians.
”The Falklands officially became a Crown colony in 1840, a governor and a few Scotsmen arrived to establish a British pastoral settlement. Argentina hotly disputed the British takeover, and Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands”
The British Empire
“Three years later, the British did formally leave the islands and they passed into the Spanish Empire for the next forty years. This arrangement was formally recognised by the British in the 1790 Nootka Sound Convention by which Britain formally rejected any colonial ambitions in 'South America and the islands adjacent'. It also reflected a weakening of British power in the Western Hemisphere coming shortly after the embarrassing loss of the 13 colonies partly thanks to French and Spanish intervention.
Your own written history:
The Spanish claim on the islands would falter with the South American Wars for Independence at the start of the nineteenth century. The Spanish removed their formal representative and settlers from the island from 1810 and completed it by 1811. The islands were left to their own fate for the next decade as sealing and whaling ships might call in from time to time to take advantage of the harbor and fresh water. It was not to be until 1820 that the United Provinces of Rio de la Plata would send a frigate to the islands in order to assert their control as part of the legacy of post-colonial Spanish claims to authority there. Buenos Aires would appoint their first governor in 1823 who tried to limit the whole-scale slaughter of seals which were in danger of being made extinct on the islands. A penal colony was also established on the island”
“Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands”
May 31st, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only problem is, Marcos, they didn't. They made representations up until 1849 and then signed the Convention of Settlement, agreeing that there were no outstanding issues between the two countries and a ”state of perfect friendship” existed. They did not raise the issue again in any official way for almost another 90 years.
@15
May 31st, 2014 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very nice. Except that your own government in the presence of CFK and 99 assorted governors, ministers, union leaders and other establishment figures has stated to the UN that there was no Argentine claim before the “appointment” of Vernet as “commander” in 1829, at which there was an immediate British protest. And the same again on the “appointment” of Mestivier in 1832 after Vernet had abandoned his “post”.
Nor were there “continual” diplomatic representations over the next 150 years. They stopped a mere 17 years after the supposed outrage, on signature of the Treaty of , ahem, Perfect Friendship, and did not seriously revive until the 1930s when the Peronists were looking for a foreign enemy so they could get a proper populist demagoguery going.
Not that any of this has much relevance nearly two centuries later, of course.
@ 15 Marquitos Alejandrito - muchachito!
May 31st, 2014 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These are the usual lies, myths and fairy tales presented by desperate fools to prove that the farce of Argentine sovereignty is just that - a farce!
@16
May 31st, 2014 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0also:-
In 1866 Vice-President Marcos Paz opened Argentina's Congress and referred to an ongoing dispute with some British citizens over outstanding debts which were to be referred to a Chilean arbitrator. He stated to Congress “that there are no other matters in issue between the two countries.”
Then why doesn't Great Briton want to take this to mediation or an international court to settle once and for all? They were ready to negotiate sovereinty back to Argentina in the 1970's but now they choose to hide behind the illusion of “Self Determination” Briton keeps militerizing the islands because they can. If Argentina were the Economic and Military power of Russia or China the islands would long ago be Argentine.
May 31st, 2014 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20
May 31st, 2014 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why on earth should it be the UK who takes it to mediation or an international court? It's Argentina that wishes to overturn the status quo, so the onus is clearly on Argentina to make the complaint. All you have to do is invite the UK to go to court. If the UK refuses, you have a massive propaganda victory. If the UK accepts, then you're bound to win. Aren't you?
If all your arguments really are well-founded and irrefutable, it's incomprehensible that you put all your effort into the the C24 route, which cannot possibly resolve the dispute in your favour, while rejecting any recourse to the ICJ, which could.
The Argentine claim that they inherited the Falklands from Spain and that there was 'no terrae nullius' in South America was also blown out of the water by the Guiana Boundary Case of 1904 between Britain and Brazil. The tribunal ruled that 'to acquire sovereignty over regions that are not in the domination of any State then the State claiming sovereignty has to demonstrate effective occupation' - effective occupation was described as uninterrupted and permanent possession.
May 31st, 2014 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20
May 31st, 2014 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If Argentina were the Economic and Military power of Russia or China”
but surely your Prez has stated time and again that Argentina wouldn't use force and if you won't use force when you are poorer than church mice then surely that means that you wouldn't use force if you were rich - or are we into the world famous SA and particularly Argentine double-standards?
Also in what way is 'self-determination' an illusion? - I would refer you to
the UN Secretary General Ban-Ki-Moon on Wednesday May 19th 2010 when speaking at a forum on de-colonization in Noumea, New Caledonia -
“The world’s 16 remaining territories that still do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status”
He didn’t say “with the exception of the people of the Falkland Islands’
http://www.speroforum.com/a/33140/Remaining-nonselfgoverning-territories-must-have-full-freedom-of-choice-Ban-says
Living the dream! - more like living the fantasy
@15 you forget about how Britain claimed sovereignty of the islands back in 1766 with the foundation of Port Egmont (technically making it a crown colony). You also fail to mention that in 1766 France surrendered its claim on the Falklands to Spain, which renamed the French colony Puerto Soledad the following year. And how Problems between Spain and Britain began when Spain discovered Port; or how an imminent war, caused by Spain's capture of the port egmont in 1770, was avoided by its restitution to Britain in 1771.
May 31st, 2014 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The key word their being Restitution which means - The act of restoring to the rightful owner something that has been taken away, lost, or surrendered!
So we claimed sovereignty of the territory back in 1766, we also happened to be the ones that first discovered (as recognised internationally by historians) the islands back in 1690.
So the flaw in your argument Marcos, is that sovereignty over territory is not the same as crown colony. As a colony is a settlement, not actually the territory on which such settlement is built on!
Duke of Wellington, in 1829:
May 31st, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is not clear to me that we have ever possessed the sovereignty of all these islands. The convention certainly goes no farther than to restore to us Port Egmont, which we abandoned nearly sixty years ago.”
“Britain's act of colonialism over its seizure of the islands has been admitted to in private by various British officials over time. For example, John Troutbeck, then head of the FCO's American department, outlined the problem surrounding Britain's control of the Falklands in a memo in 1936. He wrote that ”our seizure of the Falkland Islands in 1833 was so arbitrary a procedure as judged by the ideology of the present day. It is therefore not easy to explain our possession without showing ourselves up as international bandits.”
@2 Why would we forget? If you forget, you also forget to be prepared. As the Royal Navy says “If you wish for peace, prepare for war”. As of this point in time we can tell that 32 years isn't enough for the argies to have learned to be satisfied with what they have. Wonder what the argies would say if the UK suddenly decided to “recover” southern Ireland? Having ruled from 1171 to 1921, Britain certainly has more “right” to recover the island of Ireland than argieland has to occupy the Falkland Islands. Strange how Britain can respect and even help the Irish Republic but argieland can't respect the Falkland Islanders. Totally childish!
May 31st, 2014 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9 What a surprise. Intelligence and stupidity in three sentences. If argieland is waiting for an apology from Britain for the events of 1833, I can offer it two options. It can accept that, after 181 years, it's not going to get one. Or it could hold its collective breath and keep waiting. As it happens it was not an “unprovoked” invasion. As can be seen from documented history, Britain did not evacuate its Falkland Islands settlements, temporarily, until 1776. In 1824 the British consul in Montevideo authorised one Luis Vernet to undertake an expedition to the Islands to set up a commercial operation to cull the feral cattle in order to provide fresh meat to passing vessels. Clearly demonstrating recognition of continuing British sovereignty. I wonder how recovering one's property without landing any troops or firing a single shot can be called an “unprovoked invasion”? Especially when those individuals on the Islands were partly an unauthorised party of foreign “military” and partly an equally unauthorised group of civilian trespassers!
@15 Still using that rubbish website, girlie?
@20 Try 1947, 1948 and 1955!
@25 Yeah, but he was 60 then. Getting on a bit. All that time pretending the spanish had any military and beating the shite out of the French without them!
It's bleeding obvious that we never possessed the sovereignity of *ALL* these islands, since there was a tacit agreement with the Spanish not to go war over who did. It doesn't follow from this that Argentina, or whatever later became Argentina, had a better claim, or any legitimate claim at all.
May 31st, 2014 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the Troutbeck memo, note that “as judged by the ideology of the present day”. As judged by the ideology of the time, it was no big deal at all. The worst you could ever claim was that the UK asserted its right to a piece of territory in the same way that Argentina acquired all of its.
And once again, it doesn't follow form this that Argentina, or whatever later became Argentina, had a better claim, or any legitimate claim at all.
And it most certainly doesn't follow that whereas British behaviour in the 19th century is to be judged by the standards of the 21st, Argentina's behaviour in the 21st is to be judged by the standards of the 19th.
Apparently CFK is spitting mad over this,
May 31st, 2014 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she insists Argentina did not invade, they merely tried to liberate the islanders from their British captors ????
well,
that's what's going into there history books,
so they say..lol
25 Marcos Alejandro
May 31st, 2014 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what are you waiting for then Marco???
Take it to the ICJ!!
What's that? you haven't GOT a case??
Oh yeah.. sorry I forgot.
29 toooldtodieyoung
May 31st, 2014 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No rush Brit, the islands are still in Argentina, South America.
Not even in Britain they support your case.
“Argentina's Claim Over the Falkland Islands Is Legitimate”
“The Falkland Islands constitute one of the last remnants of British colonialism, part of a history of economic piracy stained with the blood of millions who suffered as a consequence. The sooner this history is brought to a close the better”
“The utter absurdity of 3000 colonists, living over 8000 miles away, being able to influence and/or poison relations between two nations with a combined population of over 100 million is unconscionable”
John Wight
Huffington Post United Kingdom
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/john-wight/argentinas-claim-over-the-falkland-islands-is-legitimate_b_2407749.html
Marcos, keep quoting the “history” we all know the real history.
May 31st, 2014 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed, Spain (not Argentina) had a colony between 1765 and 1811. So what? These Spaniards voluntarily left in 1811, went to Uruguay and fought the Argentines, before either becoming Uruguayan or returning to Spain. Can't see how that helps Argentinas claim.
Jewitt did indeed visit the islands in 1820, and apparently claimed sovereignty, before promptly leaving..so what...no colony, no sovereignty.
Vernet apparently accepted a title (not governor) from Buenos Aires in 1828 (two years after he arrived)....so what, he voluntarily left in 1831 and left two British guys in charge neither f whom had Argentine titles. Vernet later sought damages from the UK because of his losses in 1831 Lexington raid...as he accepted UK sovereignty.
And then we come back to 1833. As you say, Britain returned and evicted the Argentines. True...very true. However, what you never say..just for complete truth...it was 55 Argentines who were evicted, none of whom had been on the islands more than six weeks, and they had already murdered their Captain and raped his wife. I don't know why you never mention those important truths in your rants.
So, we all agree the history Marcos...just mine is the whole truth...yours are misleading half truths deliberately designed as propaganda to make imbeciles like you ignore the “real truth”
@30
May 31st, 2014 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also in the 1930s there were people who believed in appeasement. And John Wight is a chap who believes that Argentina is a “centre-left democracy”.
I know that Malvinista logic isn't for the faint-hearted, but could you also explain just how exactly it is that Falkland Islanders are supposed to make amends to Argentina for the “blood of millions” who allegedly suffered as a result of British colonialism? I can't get my head round that at all, either the supposed guilt of the islanders or how and by whom the Argentines came to be nominated as beneficiaries of the reparations?
I'm also wondering where exactly is this South American trade embargo we're supposed to be so scared of?
25 Mike
May 31st, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prime Minister, 2014: 'The Falkland Islanders have the right to self-determination and we will do whatever is necessary to allow them to live in the islands as British subjects for as long as that is their choice'
Stop living in the past you bitter and twisted loser.
33 José
May 31st, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Supreme Court October 22, 2003.
Stop living in the past you bitter and twisted loser.
33 Joe Bloggs
May 31st, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aahhh, welcome back Joe. I trust that the last 3 months have been kind to you and family Bloggs.
Just in case you missed it, did you know that the “Float out” ceremony for HMS Queen Elizabeth is on the 4th of July?
I for one can not wait until she finishes her sea trails and puts in a courtesy call to all the BOT's. It should indeed be a most impressive sight to see.......
Compliments of course go to the argentine government and people :-)
34 Marcos Alejandro
You are 11 years behind Marco...... Please try and keep up with the rest of the class.
Marcos- poor deluded Marcos, are you a close relative of your President or Foreign Minister as they sound similar to you with their drivel?
May 31st, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I and others have posted many many times- you cannot compare what was accepted between nations 200-250 years ago as the rules and today 21st century. Those days you claimed and kept what you claimed by military force - and all understood it.
Today we live by a different set of rules - the rights of peoples of a place and the principle of self-determination and democratic choice.
Both Arg and UK can make a historical claim based on their views of what happened 200-500 years ago. We believe ours is the stronger - you believe yours is.
So does the entire world tear itself to bits as several hundred millions of people have to relocate all around the world and boundaries and peoples who live there are revised backwards several centuries?
I guess yes if you are a deluded Argentine!
Fortuntaley the great majority in the world think otherwise and prefer to go by modern rules- peoples rights who live in a place. After all the majority of nations do NOT support the Arg claim - all they support(including Russia and China) is that the dispute should be resolved by negotiations . Arg public relations always twists this into support of the claim - because you are all so deluded and believe whatever sounds best.
if all these nations really do support you then it is simple - take it to the IJC as you would win- well wouldn't you? Do please answer all of us who are asking about this?
35 Too Old
May 31st, 2014 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello my old mate; I hope you're all well. Boy what a sight it would be to see her float out ceremony. I must make a point of seeing her sometime soon.
34 Mike
Is this what you mean by that date?
Following his Supreme Court victory in 2003, Bingham moved to South America, where he oversees the penguin monitoring programmes in Chile and Argentina under the auspices of the Organization for the Conservation of Penguins.
You sure showed us Mike.
The only preventative measure that the Falklands needs is some of these,
May 31st, 2014 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/bollards-c1022/marshalls-rhino-bollards-c1034/penguin-bollard-p2357?shopping&gclid=CPPBpM-s174CFSGWtAodHlIAIA
should be sufficient. ..
Malvinas Argentinas for ever
Jun 01st, 2014 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9IphdlLHZU
@30. All Argentina has to take to the ICJ regarding any sovereignty claim is 'proximity' and that alone is worthless. Lol.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos, Jose, Livingthedream,
Jun 01st, 2014 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina's sovereignty claim is so solid WHY doesn't your government take it to the International Court of Justice?
Surely you must've wondered why they haven't? I mean, it's not like they're not running off to court every 5 minutes for one thing or another, so why not this dispute which is so close to the hearts of all Argentines?
Of course EVERYONE knows why they won't go - even all of you, although you don't like to admit it - it's because Argentine has NO EVIDENCE that anything that you claim actually happened.
1. Spain didn't leave Argentina the Falklands in their 'will'. The proof of this is the Spanish tacitly acknowledging British sovereignty in the 1840's after they'd left the Falklands shores forever.
2. No Argentine colony was expelled in 1833 - just an illegal military presence, which had already mutinied against it's own chain of command and government, and that military presence had been on the Islands less than 3 months. So NOT a valid claim for sovereignty, especially as the British protested to the UP (not Argentina - as Argentina DIDN'T exist) prior to the UP troops even leaving dock for the Falklands.
3. Geographical proximity. A useless and illegal way of trying to gain territory, one that won't hold up in any international court. Besides in 1833 the territory that would one day become Argentina was over 1,000 miles away.
4. Continental shelf excuse...that one was laughed out of UNCLOS.
5. Argentine birds migrate to the Falklands...OMG talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
6. Because 'we' want it. This is probably the only true statement that Argentina has ever produced.
However, not one of these 'claims' can overturn the FACTS that the Falkland Islands community predates the formation of the Republic of Argentina, or that they have lived there for nearly 200 years of continuous occupation, or that the Falklanders have the RIGHT to chose their own status.
Argentina's behaviour isn't consistent with any desire to resolve the conflict, it's consistent only with a desire to inflame and perpetuate it.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0But if this condemns their Malvinista racists, xenophobes, and fascists of left and right to a lifetime of unending frustration, looking the other way while their pockets get picked, then at least it's poetic justice.
@20
Jun 01st, 2014 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Then why doesn't Great Briton want to take this to mediation or an international court to settle once and for all?”
Because Britain is happy with the position as it is. If Argentina is not happy, it is up to them to take the UK to the ICJ over the Falklands.
Instead, Argentina uses the C24 which has no authority to do anything other than issue requests for Argentina and the UK to discuss the Falklands, which is not going to get Argentina any results.
However applying to the ICJ has a chance of a result, whereas you can be at the C24 for the next 3, 000 years with no effect whatsoever.
Your best method of getting the Falklands, if that is what you really desire, is to persuade 3000 people that they would be better off under Argentine rule.
It's that simple.
@25
”our seizure of the Falkland Islands in 1833“
This seizure theory might have some relevance if it was the first time that Great Britain had set foot on the Falklands, and had not protested against the UP military sent to the Islands, but it was not the first time Britain landed on the Islands, they had been there before.
@30
”No rush Brit, the islands are still in Argentina, South America.”
They are actually over 300 miles off Argentina-if they were Argentinian they would be administered by Argentina which clearly they are not .
@39
Is that video supposed to be scary or are we meant to laugh at it???
Loads of piccys of your fascist invaders on the islands 32 years ago, but they aren't there today are they amigo?
Why no pictures of them getting booted back to Argentina?
Why no pictures of them ignored by Argentina when they returned from their adventure? But if you believe these guys who can't even wear a beret properly are still there, dream on.
@39
Jun 01st, 2014 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0This video rather says otherwise, have a nice day ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLzDC6bLPE
Nice video.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“What kind of opposition was there?”
“Running opposition, they ran away!”
Lol.
@30 The Falkland Islands are in the South Atlantic. By legal definition, the Falkland Islands are NOT in south america.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@34 There are 137 national Supreme Courts in the world. Did you have a particular one in mind?
@39 All your fatuous points defeated? Down to the bottom line? “Because!” Here are some FACTS. Britain has NEVER invaded argieland. The worst WE have ever done is a blockade. But WE could. In addition, WE could shut you up by the simple expedient of blowing all your silly heads off. How kind and restrained of US that WE don't. Think about that the next time you consider (dis)gracing this site with your presence.
@44 Lovely video. Notice, all the argies wear combat helmets. The British troops wear berets. That's class!
Ahhh… Joe Bloggs, hows the wall?
Jun 01st, 2014 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Deluded Marcos and Josey - failed Malvknistas. Better to stick with burning tyres, harrassing British cruise ship passengers and hurling verbal insults. Just like your failed foriegn minister Gollum, you remain nothing more than an annoying bluebottle buzzing pointlessly around. Hand me that newspaper…
The number of times I have read the bleat “we nearly won” from the latest generation of cowards is, to say the least, tiresome.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that is what happens in war: things change at the drop of a hat but you must realise that the British had several advantages over the Junta:
1) the Prime Minister, The Blessed Margaret, had bigger balls than the Argentine General Staff put together and did not shirk from her duty;
2) the Officers and men of the British Armed Forces were way too experienced for the weenies that were forced over to the Falklands (there are NO Malvinas you prats) and were determined to show what they could do;
3) despite having a supply line 8,000 miles long against 300 miles the organisational ability of the British showed what was possible. Basically the argies couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery and it has gone downhill markedly under TMBOA;
4) but the main advantage we had was our fighting men: murderous bastards like 2 Para, 42 Commando, I love every one of them.
So less of the bollocks you cunts: YOU LOST.
The Falkland Islands belong to Argentina. The next time that Argentina do their flag fluttering in the islands, no England, Anglosphere, European Union or any military force capable of opposing to South America!
Jun 01st, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pCLWPfZbrI
“MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS!”
Ferk me.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet a grand you have a Germanic surname!
@49 - Really, i guess you haven't heard of our equally advanced alien allies from the Sol Intergalactic Empire - More formally know as NATO!!
Jun 01st, 2014 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pity, because once you attack a NATO members sovereign territory, all other NATO members are obliged to aid and come to the defense of the member who's territory is under attack.
I doubt Brazil, Mexico, Uruguay, Chile, Columbia, panama or Peru, all SA countries would fight alongside Argentina as a result of Argentina starting a fight they can not win, even if all SA countries did join in!!
NATO has never been tested. I doubt that Portugal, Spain and Germany to participate in an attack against America. I doubt that the United States participate in an attack against America!
Jun 01st, 2014 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NATO does not exist!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIHb0r8OmwA&index=84&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A
I doubt very much is anybody is going to attack America. There remains a faint possibility that Argentina might attack at some point in the distant future British territories in the South Atlantic, but it's highly unlikely with the assets that are in place, and even more unlikely that anybody else in South America would want to join in on anything so stupid.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Living life without savoring the taste of war, is to live half.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Viva a Guerra!
@54
Jun 01st, 2014 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you truly believe that then you are a first class idiot - even more stupid than your other SA comrades.
War is a terrible, bloody and messy business anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool.
#54 You speak with the ignorance and bravado of one who has never fought. Pussy! Your comrades were great over 1000 metres though…
Jun 01st, 2014 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes!
Jun 01st, 2014 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGN4oYd4vwU
@57
Jun 01st, 2014 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bras - that link just demonstrates what a total f...ing twat you are -
no brains, no sense - must be a South American
Yes!
Jun 01st, 2014 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc2fYoJGrr4&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=4
Brazilian Special Forces.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Experts at FIBUS.
OR
FIGHTING IN BUILT UP SLUMS!
As you wish. Although slums are few enemies are many.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All Englishmen are enemies. All America has a duty to make them run away from here.
“MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOy4E_gnAwg&index=2&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A
They went running all right, 8.000 miles.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South.
Lol.
and you'll be in the front line will you??
Jun 01st, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazilian Special Forces - hahahahahaha
Brazilian subs - hahahahahaha
As my old Granny would have said “all mouth and no trousers” just like all South Americans.
Why do not you leave?
Jun 01st, 2014 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is not your land.
Hey Widow Twankey.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh. yes it is!
...says the Argentine propagandist with multiple operators, posing as a Brazilian.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PMSL
:-D
BRASSO
Jun 01st, 2014 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Loved the video of the tiny little sub: I thought they were building an oversize torpedo!
Still, we will find out in 2017 if the first one floats!
HA, HA, HA.
48 ChrisR
Jun 01st, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too right!! To read about what the British military attempted back in 1982 takes your breath away. Being SO far away from any friendly forward bases AND at the end of a very long supply chain. No wonder every one else who was asked thought that it was impossible.
Then, having actually landed on the islands, to then have to walk 70 odd miles before fighting the enemy, again only goes to show that the training these men received is the best in the world ( and continues to be!! ) No other military force on this planet could have done what they did.
They have, and will always have, my ultimate respect. The British armed forces did us proud and continue to do us proud on a daily basis.
They are, by any measure, true professionals.
@52 - “Nato has never been tested”
Jun 01st, 2014 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right so the last 13 years or so in Afghanistan didn't happen?! Libya intervention did happen? Bosnia and the Cold War (which the west won) also did not happen?
Lol yeah right, every conflict Nato has been in has been won you moron, even Afghanistan as the aim was to simply topple the government and bring democracy whilst maintaining stability and security to allow the new government to gain influence and control!
And your right, we will not attack America, since America is the United States, hence why we call them Americans. And as for you constantly referring to America and speaking on America's behalf as if you were their ruler. Who the hell gave you the right to tell America what to do!! You don't even have the enough influence to flush your crap down the toilet!
Oh and i doubt the America, and/or Canada for that matter would go to war on your side you moron!!
When South is total, North is midget.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66wdn-nv-E8&index=45&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A
#70
Jun 01st, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of crap videos. None of these machines would last 5 minutes against anything the UK could put against them !
Go on with your wet dreams, you have nothing else.
@ 70 Brasilero - I invite you to “comer cocô” because all you post is pure “cocô”
Jun 01st, 2014 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70 Brasileiro
Jun 01st, 2014 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The South will NEVER be total, as you put it. How do I know this? Because too many countries in South America can't even keep to treaties and trade agreements with each other. They don't trust each other, and there are still far too many territorial disputes.
In fact, you should be glad that Argentina is expending so much of it's energy on the mythical Malvina's, if they weren't they'd be looking towards their neighbours and wondering just how much land they could steal from you.
You do know that Argentina claims parts of Brazil, Chile, Bolivia, Paraguay and ALL of Uruguay, don't you? They use the same methodology they use for their claims to the Falklands, lies, indoctrination, leading the 'people' to believe that they've had land stolen from them, when in FACT it has been Argentina that has done most of the stealing in the past.
The Falklands are safe. The Argentines cannot cross the 300 miles of ocean to reach them. They are also terrified of the 4 UK planes and 1,200 military personnel stationed on the islands.
However, you share a land border with them. Don't turn your back on them. Remember, it is very important to get behind someone BEFORE you can stab them in the back.
@70 Brasileiro
Jun 01st, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which are you? Take your pick!
Palhaço, palhaça, palhação, clóvis, mó comédia, bobo-da-corte, bufão, truão, maninelo, bufon, histrião, mimo
@ 68 toooldtodieyoung
Jun 01st, 2014 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know quite a few Ghurkhas around Thurrock and two of the lad’s fathers told them how pissed off they were when they couldn’t do the final sweep of Tumbledown.
They really, really wanted to get the Kukris around a few argie necks.
I frankly don’t know who were the most feared by the argies at the Falklands; I think it must be the Ghurkhas followed in joint second by 2 Para and 42 commando.
I mean, be honest, who would you rather have: those three Regiments or ALL the so called argie armed forces?
Ha, ha, ha.
@66TT
Jun 01st, 2014 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yer right. It is not Brasilian, and has multiple operators indeed.
The best video yet
Jun 01st, 2014 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-vys78sGB7Y
As long as their is freedom and democracy in this world,
Argentina will never rule the islands.
75 ChrisR
Jun 01st, 2014 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I mean, be honest, who would you rather have: those three Regiments or ALL the so called argie armed forces?”
I think you already know the answer to that one my friend...
but please remind me, was it Mount William that the Ghurkhas were supposed to take? Where they were supposed to finally get to grips with the argentines, only to find that they had all run away, cos they KNEW they were about to face the Ghurkha Kukris?
Tbf Its a perfectly sane thing to do be several miles away if the ghurkas are planning to attack you especially if its the end of a war.
Jun 01st, 2014 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The falklands are british the people who live their are british and are happy to remain so.
78 toooldtodieyoung
Jun 01st, 2014 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct!
Sorry about that!
Still great guys though AND they are on our side!
Used by the English as usual..
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Gurkha veterans return their military medals in protest”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/2964471/Gurkha-veterans-return-their-military-medals-in-protest.html
“Day 10 of Gurkha hunger strike outside Downing Street”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/2964471/Gurkha-veterans-return-their-military-medals-in-protest.html
@81 - Dear old Marcus - Still behind on the times i see. They were granted the right to settle in 2009 you muppet.
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8060607.stm
Speaking of rights, what about all those indigenous south American Indian Falklands veterans? or the Argentine veterans who suffered greatly at the hands of their own officers during the invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982, by torture, starvation, or criminal execution (a war crime and breach of the basic principle of human rights?
Lol and your trying to lecturer us on human rights and treatment of our veterans!!!
Ironic, that the Gurkhas had to fight for the right settle, yet Marcos gets it because he's the son of an Argentine political refugee.
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ironic indeed!
Marquito Alejandrito
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0AALRPMQTRP
I congratulate the legitimate inahbitants of the Falkland Islands for their restraint in their commemorations.
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0While they could indeed celebrate their liberation from a colonial oppressor (who celebrated and indeed, still celebrate their illegal and immoral invasion), the Islanders choose instead to remember the losses on both sides.
If your would-be oppressors were a fifth as honorable, they wouldn't be trying to claim your islands instead of bringing their dispute to the ICJ where it can be fairly reviewed (Mainly because a fair and balanced decision would mean that they would lose).
I hope all of the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands enjoy the 14th, especially those posting here.
@81
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I absolutly agree, the Gurkha's were treated badly. Fortunatly as Teaboy said that's been sorted now.
Right , let's humour the malvinistas for a moment and assume that the Provincias Unidas de Buenos Aires' ( there was no Argentina back then ) claim in 1833 had been upheld and the Islands had been handed to them .
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bearing in mind :
1 ) The country was in the grip of civil war till 1850
2 ) There was no navy to speak of
3 ) Newly introduced iron and steel hulled steam ships needed a coaling station to get round the Magellan Straits
4 ) No argentine in his right mind would even consider living there now , let alone then .
Do you malvinistas honestly think for one minute that PUBA/Argentina would have been able to garrison and hold those islands for more than 5 minutes before , some country other than Britain , most likely the US , helped themselves to them ?
You are having land stolen from under you NOW by Bolivia , and the politicians are stealing the very bread from your mouths , yet you just harp on and on about these f*cking islands........
You need to get a life , seriously .
@64
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's the Falkland Islander's land, a fact you have been unable to disprove.
Rather than banging on about something you cannot change, why not help getting those world cup stadiums finished?
How long have you had to prepare for the world cup, yet there are stadiums without all of the seats in the stadiums-is that because Brazilians sit on the pitch to watch football matches?
Joanna Lumley.
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you say about her.
Turns out that she is not only a teenage mastabatory fantasy, but she also has courage, heart and perseverance.
Her father must be looking down on her with pride.
Never were a people so well served.
Well it took Joanna to open those people's eyes to that fact and the injustice of the Gurkhas.
Once those eyes were opened, the politicians were ferked! and they knew it.
Had many of them not voted to allow them the right of abode here, they would have been out of a job.
Don't you just love a real democracy. The voice of the people.
Poor marco,
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0inside every bad argies as a decent south American waiting to get out,
and Marco wants to stay, but is losing the will,
soon he will come out, be descent and leave the islanders alone,
we hope lolol..
Result:
Jun 02nd, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marco lost this one.
Good Bye Marco.
@91 ilsen
Jun 03rd, 2014 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yesss he definitely lost this one and in the process made himself look a complete muppet too lol
He's a loser. Always has been and always will be. He may have won a Supreme Court case but he's still a loser. Bitter and twisted and seeking petty revenge in the form of deflected bad luck at the hands of Argentina.
Jun 03rd, 2014 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come to think of it, I wonder if he was one of the deadbeats knocking our houses a few months ago; calling them sheds. Should've seen his house when he lived here. It's the disgrace of the area it's in.
84 gordito77
Jun 03rd, 2014 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I am sure that you know what you are talking about but your abbreviations mean nothing to me and, perhaps, most people reading these comments”
I agree.
86 Benson @81
“I absolutly agree, the Gurkha's were treated badly”
Thanks, but facts show that they still are.
94 Marcos Allaboutnothing
Jun 03rd, 2014 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0as usual, a throwaway glib remark with no substance.
Your “whataboutery” has no relevance to the celebration of the liberation, end of the war, and memorial to the Fallen of both sides.
Thanks for your limp demonstration of pettiness and surly meanness of spirit.
You're welcome UVic boy.
Jun 03rd, 2014 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marquito Alejandrito
Jun 03rd, 2014 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pibe - you are clearly malvinista Argentino so you know very well what AALRPMQTRP means!
@94 - “Thanks, but facts show that they still are.”
Jun 03rd, 2014 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really and what FACTS would those be?
Can't be any worse to how Argentina treats their Falklands war veterans and families, who were dumped on the waste heap. Not to mention those families who's love ones are still buried in the Falklands, all because Argentina refused Britain offer to return their bodies to Argentina at the end of the 1982 war!!
Hell how about Argentina's stance in regards to the rights of the islanders themselves, as far as Argentina is concerned the islanders do not even exist.
You talk about rights and how Britain treat the rights of certain peoples, yet your being nothing more Hypocritical, as Argentina are much much worse at respecting peoples rights and treat people like shit!!
Marco
Jun 03rd, 2014 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only important facts are that you lost the war.
96 Malignant Alejandro
Jun 03rd, 2014 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You're welcome UVic boy.”
Thanks for your affectionate reply, but it's just another limp noodle lame response following your unsubstantiated irrelevant posts.
I should make it clear too, you are too lazy intellectually and in general, to read the posts of myself and others.
I have NEVER been to UVic and I have never SAID I studied there or visited there.
I seem to recall you saying a couple of years ago that you had spent a short time in Victoria once, and liked the campus.
It must be the only part of Canada that you can identify with, as you seem to know bugger-all else about it.
I admit that I am offended by your lack of ability or effort.
@49. Want your pals to try again? Are you going too? You do understand that, all by itself, Britain could flatten the whole of south america, don't you? Sorry, I got that wrong. “You do understand that, all by itself, Britain could flatten the HOLE of south america, don't you?” Do you understand that the RAF is three times the size of the brazilian air farce? That the Royal Navy could wipe the seas clean of the brazilian navvy in less than a day? That you really don't want to meet the British Army. Meeting a Challenger 2 (best in the world - never defeated) could spoil your whole century. And reduce you to living in the trees. Again.
Jun 03rd, 2014 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@52 Typical latino. Deny everything inconvenient. But who would need NATO? Britain can annihilate brazil all by itself. First there's the airborne and naval missiles. Then the gunfire. The anti-ship missiles and torpedos. The armoured columns grinding bras under their tracks. The unbeatable Challenger 2 MBTs. And, finally, the nukes. From 7,000 miles away.
@61 Get together with your argie pals. They can show you two things. How to die and how to surrender. And if there's a “next time”, I recommend that the argie population is “cut” by 50%. And if brazil wants to join in? Then “cut” its population by 2 out of 3.
@64 Not yours! How many murders are you guilty of?
@70 When South is total what? Do you have “plans” to try to change it from total crap?
@81 Wasn't that in 2008? WE made the government listen and do the right thing. When has your corrupt, criminal, thieving “government” ever listened to the ordinary people where you, unfortunately, exist?
@94 Strange that. I happen to live quite close to Aldershot. Plenty of Gurkhas and their families. None seem to be unhappy. Gurkhas still in the British Army. Many still hoping for the opportunity to lop argie heads off. But they are disciplined. No head lopping without permission. But argies, and their supporters, need cutting down to size. Cut their heads off!
97
Jun 04th, 2014 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gordo said a few weeks ago:
“For us mere mortals kindly tell us who LHP and SW are. We English are quite thick, as you must be aware, so it would be helpful if abbreviations could be spelt out in full. Many thanks and have a nice day!”
If you say so chanchito
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Marquitos Alejandrito
Jun 04th, 2014 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0You got me! But where does the “chanchito” come from?
@101
Jun 04th, 2014 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad you've found your Room 101
@102 - Marcos
Jun 04th, 2014 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow. That is checkmate. Game, set and match. The fat lady has sung. Looks like Gordo, representing England, has admitted that the English nationality is stupid and therefore Marcos, on the behalf of Argentina, has won the big debate. The debate on which is the superior nationality, England (to be confused with Brtain of course! Anyone notice the irony?) or Argentina.
Afterall, this is what we are all really debating when the Falklands is discussed (well that is what the Argentines are debating to hide their massive inferiority complex, as Argentines have the complex of = “mistrust the West and all of their schemes to keep us down!”).
You are a true idiot Marcos. Keep it up!
No - he is not an idiot! Marquitos Alejandrito is only ten years old - at least, that is the impression he leaves around here.
Jun 04th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I recant my comment! Apologies Marcos, I didn't know you were an infant.
Jun 04th, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@106 & 107 “Ten Years old”, “Infant”!!!
Jun 04th, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think its age, It think its more like hes an infantile, in the derogatory sense!
Sassenach Gordo
Jun 05th, 2014 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0“When I served in the Royal Navy I served with quite a few Scots and they have/had no problem with the nickname ”Jock“. So where are you coming from?
A bit of advice from me, Jock - don't call us ”sassenachs”
Sensitive Sassenach :-))))))
MA
Jun 05th, 2014 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0feeble...
@109 Marquitos Alejandrito
Jun 05th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Niñito - what has this to do with the current conversation other than the fact that you need to let us know you are around?
¡Que pelotudo!
Falklands to mark liberation from Argentine occupation on Saturday 14 June
Jun 05th, 2014 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll be giving thanks on that day that a people ( and that word is SO important that it's worth saying again ) that a people who were just trying to live their lives peacefully and who harmed no one, were finally liberated from an unwarranted and illegal occupation.
No civilized country in the modern world would stand by and do nothing when their territory is invaded and their citizens' way of life is shattered by wanton aggression.
It's just a pity that so many had to die because argentina had to learn that lesson.
112 toooldtodieyoung
Jun 06th, 2014 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's just a pity that so many had to die because England decided to invade Malvinas in 1833.
113 Mini-Marcos
Jun 06th, 2014 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody died because of 1833 ( well, except for the Commander of your Garrison of cut- throats).
A few mis-guided souls chose to return to BA, and your soldiers faced trial there as criminals.
1.000 people died in 1982, a 150 years later, as a result of Argentine greed and political opportunity.
Selfish motives for theft.
I have another analogy for you:
Many many Russians and Germans died in Stalingrad and on the Steppes because Napoleon's invasion 150 years earlier, was repulsed.
Makes as much sense.
@ 113 Marquitos Alejandrito
Jun 06th, 2014 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pibe - you attempt to perpetuate the myth that “England”(wrong) invaded some mythical territory called the Malvinas in 1833. Where is your proof?
@113
Jun 06th, 2014 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fortunatly they didn't invade they just threw out murderer/rapists.
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