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Malvinas OAS resolution calls for resumption of UK/Argentina negotiations on sovereignty
The Organization of American States, OAS, annual assembly unanimously approved on Thursday a resolution on the Malvinas Islands calling on Argentina and the UK to resume negotiations regarding the sovereignty dispute. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesPoor poor Argentina.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0More talk. No action.
Suppose the status quo will remain.
Canada dissident and USA quite.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well that's not unanimous then, is it?
This lot could not tell the truth if their lives depended on it!
So. The Organisation of Argentina Supporters has passed another anodyne resolution in support of Argentina. And pretty soon, a number of them will put on different hats, and pass another similar resolution at the C24.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0And in the meantime, Argentine will as ever, refrain from any action which could actually advance its case, such as, for example going to the ICJ, petitioning the GA to remove the Falklands from the NSGT list, showing some respect for the islanders, or otherwise admitting some application of law, democracy, and human rights in pursuit of its territorial ambitions in the British South Atlantic.
Anybody might think they didn't actually want or hope to resolve the “dispute” at all, but just to further wind up the domestic audience. That, at least, seems to work, but won't work for ever.
An interesting example of a sane voice in Argentina :
http://panampost.com/belen-marty/2014/04/03/our-islands-overcoming-the-falklands-war-political-football/
That should be quiet.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0“This should encourage us to continue to pursue the Malvinas question since it has become a demand from all countries of the Americas” Well that's a blatant lie.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has three options. Talk to us (we offered you refused). Take it to the IJC. Have us continue to go about our business with the occasional roll of the eyes and muttering of idiots.
I have asked of the Argentinians on this site many times “ What could Argentina bring to the negociating table that could start meaningful negociations ” I have as yet not had a reply. Still waiting on our Argie friends to respond, but I will not hold my breath. The FALKLANDERS will not enter in talks until something is on the table that is acceptable.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0The declaration states: “the need for the governments of Argentina and the UK to resume, at the earliest, negotiations on the sovereignty dispute, with the purpose of finding a peaceful solution to this prolonged dispute”.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0To recap, the OAS supports dialogue, that's it; no actual blanket support for the entirety of the Argentine view. A typical throw away and forget statement to everyone attending - apart from some Ukrainian guy.
So the Latins supported Argentina? That's hardly surprising. It's rather a stretch to say that the resolution was “unanimously approved” given Canada spoke against it and the USA said nothing.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sinking in the quick-sands of declining economy; throwing a grapnel at the Falklands.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6
Jun 06th, 2014 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ What could Argentina bring to the negociating table that could start meaningful negociations ”
What about CFK's head on a platter?
Sorry if that sounds a bit Conquerer-ish but it sure would help both sides
Argentina could easily bring something to the negotiating table.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina needs to prove, with actions, that it does not agree to the fundaments of the UN Charter, the fundamental right to self-determination, and that land obtained (in their words) by conquest is not ever the sovereign territory of the current inhabitants.
In order to prove, with actions, this view Argentina must as a precursor to negotiations do the following:
1) Immediately withdraw from the United Nations
2) Immediately deny the right to self determination of any person/persons who cannot categorically prove ancestory in Patagonia prior to 1880.
3) Hold immediate referenda of any Patagonian resident who can categorically prove “historic right” and follow whatever autonomous direction these people give.
Britain will then fully commit to doing the same for the Falkland islands, by proving at the ICJ that the Falklands sovereignty was not gained by conquest.
get out of Patagonia first though, otherwise it just looks like hypocricy.
@4
Jun 06th, 2014 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why so? Can't the Argentine case stand up to examination even by Argentines?
Helps understand why Maradona was such a cheat. It's inbred.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ the purpose of finding a peaceful solution to this prolonged dispute”.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't they just come out and say 'the purpose of getting the UK to hand over the Falkland Islands to Argentina?
The peaceful solution has been in place since 1982.
”The United States delegation remained silent during the whole discussion.“
The significance of which the Latins don't really 'get'
” that resolutions adopted by this kind of organizations are effectively complied.“
If you continue to stick up two fingers at the USA, the most powerful member of the organisation, you're wheel spinning in two wheel drive-getting absolutely nowhere.
” taking into account the interests and respecting the way of life of the Malvinas Islands inhabitants“.
There's as much change of Gollum doing this as there is of him
a). Being the first argy to leap off a landing craft as it hits a Falklands beach.
b). Impaling himself on a steel spike that has just come out of a furnace.
Hopefully next time he is given the chance to meet the Islanders , thus taking into account their interests, perhaps he won't poo his pampers.
No Argentine poster on here has never defined their version of the 'Islanders Interests', so clearly they haven't a clue what they are.
“the notion that countries in a position to systematically dismiss resolutions from this type of organizations, do not exist”.
Canada does exist sunshine, get your head out of the sand and live with it.
If the UK don't 'exist' how can you negotiate with them stupid?
”because it contravenes a previous UN resolution which calls on the sides to abstain from unilateral measures susceptible of aggravating the conflict”.
Like the invasion in 1982? That aggravated the conflict just a tad=Argentina's fault.
“This should encourage us to continue to pursue the Malvinas question since it has become a demand from all countries of the Americas”, concluded Insulza.”
'All' and' everyone' seems to have a different meaning in Spanish.
@10 A smelly idea. Rather see her corpse buffeted in gale-force winds, accompanied by a minimum of 17 others, all suspended by piano-wire and butchers' hooks. In specially-erected gibbets in the Plaza de Mayo. Possibly with large signs with suitable homilys. “Thoughts off the Falklands”. “Get it right or else”. “We're criminals and are paying the price”.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm a little bit surprised. Given that, according to the latam twonks, the United States “owns” the OAS, why didn't it speak up? Could it be because Obama is in Europe being friends with America's longest ally? Could it be because he's recognised that latam is a bunch of fifth-rate, mouthy gits without a shadow of honesty? Could it be because he understands that the UK could crush latam all by itself? That such “resolutions” are the mouthings of desperation by ineffectual incompetents.
Some quite amusing parts. “Hector Timerman said that “Argentina as the great majority of country-members of the Assembly, sustain the firm conviction that the construction of an international order in which all nations, absolutely all nations, have the chance to make their rights validated demands that resolutions adopted by this kind of organizations are effectively complied. Which means that not only is the solution of the dispute at stake, but also the concept that the negotiations-principle must prevail and the notion that countries in a position to systematically dismiss resolutions from this type of organizations, do not exist”. Hector wants a world dictatorship, where there is no dissent and where, no doubt, he would be dictator.
Come on then, timidman, stick your face up instead of your mouth. Just so that WE can gouge your eyes out, flatten your nose and crush your skull.
I wonder about ”La Patria“. A phrase with Bolivian overtones. Yep, we have designs on ”crushing“ dictatorships. Then WE'll do what WE always do. Hand countries back to their people and watch them screw things up. ”Si vis pacem, para bellum”.
Same old boys singing the same old songs every year - sounds like a Rolling Stones concert :-)
Jun 06th, 2014 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's unanimous except for the the 2 richest and most powerful countries in the Organization.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only countries that count.
Silly Rg fools seem never to learn that they've been ignored yet again.
In October 1989 the UK and Argentina issued a joint statement the text of which is available here:
Jun 06th, 2014 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://faolex.fao.org/docs/pdf...
I believe it is worth repeating item 2 (ii) here and it reads:
“No act or activity carried out by the United Kingdom, the Argentine Republic or third parties as a consequence and in implementation of anything agreed to in the present meeting or in any similar subsequent meetings shall constitute a basis for affirming, supporting, or denying the position of the United Kingdom or the Argentine Republic regarding the sovereignty or territorial and maritime jurisdiction over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas”
In other words Argentina and the UK have agreed that nothing anyone else says can be taken as supporting or denying the positions of Argentina and the UK with respect to the sovereignty of the Falklands. That does not mean that illegal methods can be used to settle the dispute. It does however mean that all the worldwide support RGland claims to have does not matter a a damn, it has to be a legal settlement and agreed to by both RGland and the UK.
In view of that how much longer does anyone think that agreement will hold? I do not believe that this agreement has been ratified by the RGland congress.
That all being said the following extract from item 3 of the Statement may shed some light on why RGland has not yet revoked the statement:
“The two Governments noted that all hostilities between them had ceased. Each
Government undertook not to pursue any claim against the other, including nationals of the other, in respect of loss or damage arising from the hostilities and all other actions in and around the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South
Sandwich Island:; before 1989.”
To revoke the agreement would seem to open the doors for the British to claim for mine clearing in the Falklands among a good many other damages.
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Argentina CFK two faced and OAS.
In this part of the world “unanimous” means do as I say...has nothing to do with democracy.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina wants to “negotiate” the souvereignity of the Falkland Islands.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bolivia wants to “negotiate” a souvereign territory over chilean land to the ocean.
Have both offered anything in opposite? Buenos Aires offering souvereign part of Patagonia or Bolivia offering souvereign amazonian territory to Chile?
That's what I would understand as “negotiate”, but they just mean “give us”, but feel ashamed to say it directly.
Two important points that some Argentines have trouble understanding: (i) decolonisation does not mean re-colonisation (ii) Argentina does not have a valid sovereignty claim to the Falkland Islands. Argentine politicians have become experts and using Malvinas mythology to distract their electorate away from incompetent management of their economy.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I must emphasize that Argentina since the recovery of democracy in 1983, has consistently and systematically stated its sovereignty claim over the Malvinas” in our organization.”
Jun 06th, 2014 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So in Insulza's world, if I start claiming sovereignty over France today then as the years pass my claim will get stronger and stronger based solely on my persistence? Somebody should point out to him that's not how sovereignty is decided, before he really embarrasses himself.
@15 Conqueror
Jun 06th, 2014 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Then WE'll do what WE always do”
When you say “we”, do you mean your fellow countrymen or your bedtime SAS Action Man figures dressed in black?
Cannot be long now before Obama,s voice breaks and goes all squeaky - fence sitting is not good for the balls - if he has any?
Jun 06th, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thankyou again Canada.
The little Uruguayan bloke must have felt a total tit!
--“calling upon Argentina & UK to resume negotiations regarding the Sovereignty dispute”
Jun 06th, 2014 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ln your dreams, Argentina.
Not a chance.
l've got a better chance of being made the Empress of China.
Try again.
@24
Jun 06th, 2014 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone see his “normal people are too small minded to govern themselves speech”?
The Central and South American nations should break away from this useless organization called the OAS.Concentrate more with making friends with China and Russia building economic and military bases and building on the Unasur....leavind aside Canada and The USA.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 Typical latino “comment”. No content, no education, no intelligence. I've never had any Action Man figures. Left that to latamite wannabes who thought they could have an “army”. Or “navy”. Or “air force”. Just how many argies from its “army”did the British kill, how many wounded, how many taken prisoner, how much equipment destroyed? And, at sea, how many killed, how much destroyed? And, in the air, how many killed, how much destroyed? And that was just a small British Task Force. Imagine the present day with British MBTs, Royal Navy with cruise missiles as well as torpedos, Royal Air Force with 100 aircraft, troop reinforcement, replenishment, airborne cruise missiles, anti-ship missiles, blockbuster anti-argie bombs. Then WE can give the country back to the people it belongs to. The Amerindians. Free of the German, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish invaders!
Jun 06th, 2014 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*28 That is why Argentina must go nuclear as soon as possible a deterrent
Jun 06th, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0against airborne cruise missiles,MBTs, Royal navy and the 100 aicraft....
a couple of nukes would make any War hungry nation think twice in using all these NEW TOYS...........
@14 Pete Bog
Jun 06th, 2014 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you continue to stick up two fingers at the USA, the most powerful member of the organisation, you're wheel spinning in two wheel drive-getting absolutely nowhere.”
Apart from the Falklands issue, where the US remain silent. There was a further resolution relating to Cuba.
The majority of country delegations attending the 44th general assembly of the Organization of American States (OAS) agreed Thursday that Cuba should take part in the regional bloc's next summit to be held in Panama next year.“
”The U.S. delegation promptly rejected the proposal, opening the issue to a debate during which several countries warned they would boycott next year's general assembly if Cuba is once again left out of the regional gathering.“
”It would be a step backwards, a sad decision, if the next summit is again affected by the ... absence of many presidents because it has been decided to exclude Cuba,“ said Argentine Foreign Affairs Minister Hector Timerman.
In the interest of regional unity, ”the best thing that can happen ... is for Cuba to participate,“ he said, adding that it would make it ”very difficult“ for Argentina to take part in the summit if Havana is snubbed again.”
With a little luck, Timerman may just knock the US off the fence they have been sitting on in relative to the Falklands. In any case, the only forum Argentina could meaningfully prosecute its grievance is the ICJ.
Keep on whinging Argentina. Reality is you lost your chance to win our hearts and minds on the 2nd April 1982.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can never trust you again period. Our rights to self determination are enshrined in the UN charter .
Why would we want to become Argentine citizens when you have so little if nothing to offer that we currently already have access to.
I personally would rather pay for my services and supplies eight thousand miles away than go begging to an Argentine regime who quite frankly could not give a toss about our wishes or feelings. Timerman says he would respect the Falkland islanders. Fine I say so let us be respected and stay British.
Oil will flow soon and this is exactly today what Argentina wants. Years ago it was pure sovereignty but today they realise the chance to exploit our resources is fast slipping away.
I may not be around when it happens but when the oil is all extracted they will forget about us. Leopards do not change their spots.
Gollum and bedfellows. You are there, we are here. That is the way things will remain forever. There is nothing to negotiate, you have nothing of interest to offer us. You constantly try to harass us and annoy us. It has got you nowhere and it will get you nowhere.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gatefull thanks to Canada, and a nod to to US as well, we understand your silence perfectly on this day when 70 years ago we fought together to rid the world of Nazi totalitarians. If Argentina thinks that allying itself to pariah states is the way forward then so be it. The civilised world will shun you and exclude you. Sounds like the OAS is a club for failed nations of no relavence whatsoever.
We are here, you are there, thats the way it will stay. Lol!
Yet another nail in Britains diplomatic coffin in the South-Atlantic...
Jun 06th, 2014 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does any of this Argentinian nonsense matter today?
Jun 06th, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No!
Lets honout the guys that rid the world of fascists like Think, Marcos and the rest of the sad trolls.
Check out @poppypride1's Tweet: https://twitter.com/poppypride1/status/473530777628848129
You want to get those nails back mate, must be a good couple of ton now.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To the dickens with Argentina talking to the UK .. Let them talk to the Falklands who are a sovereign state of people by self determination. The UK is only a friendly nation looking out for interests held in the islands. I say put bone head and chicken legs on a boat sail them down to Stanley and let them talk face to face with the islanders themselves... I'm sure they would get an ear full and a boot up the ass just for good measure...
Jun 06th, 2014 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No thanks. Invitation for talks with Argentina declined.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PS
'Haven't they heard of the right to self-determination?'
&
'What is the legal basis of the OAS statement?'
Answers on a postcard to 'the Comedy Club, BA Argentina.
Will Timerman and his jokers negotiate with the people that matter - the Falkland Islanders?
Jun 06th, 2014 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 25 lsolde writes: “l've got a better chance of being made the Empress of China.”
Jun 06th, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have just improved Argentinas chances fortyfold, as you can never be absolutely sure about this 'Empress of China' thing :-D
33 Fink-neverThink:
Jun 06th, 2014 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Yet another nail in Britains diplomatic coffin in the South-Atlantic...”
How many nails have been hammered in so far?
How many generations back can the implanted squatter “Think” trace his ancestors in South America?
(35) Benson
Jun 06th, 2014 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“You want to get those nails back mate, must be a good couple of ton now.”
I say...:
No thanks... It takes some weight to take a Kelper down ;-)
In 1816, a few congressmen assembled in Tucuman and declared independence (from the Spanish crown) of the United Provinces of South America, which remains to be a legal name of the Republic of Argentina. Importantly, the province of Buenos Aires, which we know as the seat of government of the modern nation of Argentina, was never recogonised by the Argentine Confederation (1831 - 1852) or foreign nations (Buenos Aires only rejoined Argentina in 1861 and the city of Buenos Aires was removed from the province in 1880). The federal state of the Republic of Argentina was formed in 1853. Anything preceding that date pertaining to Argentina is essentially ‘Spanish’ by definition, since 'Argentina' was merely a breakaway confederacy. Any claim to overseas territory by ‘Argentina’ (or the government in Buenos Aires) that precedes these dates is, therefore, groundless and unjustifiable.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's odd because what have all those nails achieved?
Jun 06th, 2014 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Push rarely comes to shove but in 1982 “the world” sided with the UK and a binding UNSC resolution ordered Argentina to leave the Falklands.
Push also came to shove in 2008, when a snide attempt to hide “where no sovereignty dispute exists” into a self-determination resolution was also roundly booted out by the UNGA.
Those voting in the OAS are the SAME countries who supported Argentina in 2008 and for the most part in 1982.
There are no new converts to the cause...
The same 22 Latin states, the same rogue dictatorships with an axe to grind, and the same handful of others who also have ambitions to deny self-determination in other territories.
IT ISN'T ENOUGH NAILS.
For the forty countries that support Argentina, there are over 60 that support the UK...
Never mind...maybe in 100 years...maybe 1000.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/10762253/Argentina-accuses-Britain-of-provocations-and-hostile-acts-as-Navy-prepares-for-exercises-in-Falklands.html
Jun 06th, 2014 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0 well researched and referenced 'Timeline' here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/10762253/Argentina-accuses-Britain-of-provocations-and-hostile-acts-as-Navy-prepares-for-exercises-in-Falklands.htmles...
Latest FI related stories...
Jun 06th, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The Government will establish the museum of the Falkland Islands - President Cristina Kirchner announced the creation of a museum on the Falklands in order to “disseminate, communicate, display and awareness to all citizens of the nation about Argentina sovereignty” over the islands, including South Georgia and Sandwich South...'
www.eltribuno.info/salta/411909-El-Gobierno-creara-el-museo-de-las-Islas-Malvinas.note.aspx
'UK rejects accusation of militarization Argentina Falklands - The British ambassador to Paraguay, Jeremy Alexander Hobbs, denied today that his country is militarizing the Falkland Islands, as said Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timerman, during the 44th General Assembly of the Organization of American States (OAS). “Argentina continues to accuse us militarization but these claims are false, ”said Hobbs, who is an observer at the summit...'
http://www.el-nacional.com/mundo/Reino-Unido-acusacion-militarizacion-Malvinas_0_422357985.html
'Almagro: “The Falkland Islands are still a wound in the American territory” - This was stated by Foreign Minister Luis Almagro in his speech on Thursday at the XLIV Session of the OAS. He urged to sign a declaration requiring the resumption of dialogue between the parties, because “this conflict contains many remnants of a world that no longer want...”
http://www.el-nacional.com/mundo/Reino-Unido-acusacion-militarizacion-Malvinas_0_422357985.html
Interesting to note that in 1833 the hostile neighbor was 1,000 miles away from the Falklands. Now because of territorial conquests it is 300 miles away
Jun 06th, 2014 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if CFK ever gets her way, they will be a colonial power stretching all the way down to the Antarctica,
With many colonies along the way.??
As for the previous link,
This should open,
http://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/falklands-history19.pdf
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But with a bit of luck, CFK will be gone soon, and Argentina will go quietly
And the Falklands may well get some peace.
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Who exactly is antithetical to the founding principle of the UN, is contrary to peace and is offensive to those who gave their lives for a just world. As the OAS is clearly in violation of it's own Charter, but I am not in the least surprised.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CHARTER OF THE ORGANIZATION OF AMERICAN STATES
Part One Chapter II PRINCIPLES Article 3
The American States reaffirm the following principles:
a) International law is the standard of conduct of States in their reciprocal relations;
b) International order consists essentially of respect for the personality, sovereignty, and independence of States, and the faithful fulfillment of obligations derived from treaties and other sources of international law;
e) ..and has the duty to abstain from intervening in the affairs of another State. ...
Chapter IV FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF STATES
Article 11
Every American State has the duty to respect the rights enjoyed by every other State in accordance with
international law.
Article 12
The fundamental rights of States may not be impaired in any manner whatsoever.
Article 13
The political existence of the State is independent of recognition by other States. Even before being recognized, the State has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its preservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate concerning its interests, to administer its services, and to determine the jurisdiction and competence of its courts. The exercise of these rights is limited only by the exercise of the rights of other States in accordance with international law.
Article 19
No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal or external affairs of any other State. The foregoing principle prohibits not only armed force but also any other form of interference or attempted threat against the personality of the State or against its political, economic, and cultura
@28
Jun 06th, 2014 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest you watch the news, see real heroes from the D-day landings and wonder if they would spout the same racist, warmongering bollocks that you do. We both know the answer would be “no”.
Almagro is just an Argentine Rent Boy though it seems he is Gollum's favourite.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In my judgement he is a complete disgrace to Uruguay and I hope he loses out in the presidential reshuffle next March.
He will then be able to go and join the argies but I doubt they will have him, he will no longer be useful to them.
Think and his nails !! LOL Old man, you've been saying that for 4 years to my knowledge, and probably a lot longer - Argentina hasn't managed to get a nail in place since 1964. And that one rusted away long since.
Jun 06th, 2014 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0repetition. repetition, repetition. It doesn't work. Everyone just grows tired of the same old crap. This is just for Argentines - part of the big lie - the rest of the world isn't taking any notice :-)
Who cares what the OAS says. It's the same tired old rhetoric. The next meeting and the next and the next will spout the same old crap. It gets the Argies SO excited but means nothing in real life.
Jun 07th, 2014 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Americas or America as is called the continent around here demands to UK to discus sovereignty over the over the Islands.
Jun 07th, 2014 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is a quiet clear message to the little Dark Kingdom...
The position of Canada is really irrelevant and USAMEX doesn’t want to get caught in the cross fire because their interest in the region are more important than the relation with the old little Island in the North sea better known as Ukistan.
Lets wait to see what the Dark Little country does and then lets wait for Argentina reaction....
@45
Jun 07th, 2014 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0MINISTRY OF CULTURE
Decree 809/2014
“the undeniable foundation of national sovereignty over the islands, through the historical foundation, fauna and flora, geographical proximity and insular extension as part of the Patagonian topography.”
http://www.infoleg.gob.ar/infolegInternet/anexos/230000-234999/230820/norma.htm
(45) Welcome back Steve-34-uk…
Jun 07th, 2014 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have always been one of my best sock puppets…
And your links have been sorely missed ine here at MercoPress…
I very much enjoyed the one about Messi, especially from minute 2:17 :-)))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjut53UeVO4&feature=kp
#52
Jun 07th, 2014 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0CRAP
#53
MORE CRAP
#54
AMUSING CRAP.
Why do you all get so excited about this Arg/OAS clap trap? Best outcome is to let it all pass un-noticed like the majority of Falklands folks.
Jun 07th, 2014 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am with (56) falklandlad on this one...
Jun 07th, 2014 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You Poms must let it all pass un-noticed like the majority of Falklands folks do...
You Poms must simply ignore Argentina like the majority of Falklands folks do...
You Poms must direct your superior ressources to nobler causes like messing up Irak, Afghanistan, Libya and God knows what else...
Many thanks, Think, for your endorsement of the Arg/OAS clap trap. I'm not sure I am with you on the 3rd line (above though) terrible mess that it has all been, I agree. But the real issue is do the Falklands care abt these quikie resolutions - not one little bittie jot! Trust all is well across the water.
Jun 07th, 2014 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only consolation to any of this is that almost every one of the Argentine leaders are getting pretty long in the tooth and within time a new younger people will rule and these younger people may decide that they no longer want to attack their neighbours in the same way. Then and only then might the Falkland islanders be left in peace to live the life of their choosing.
Jun 07th, 2014 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apart from the regular crap coming out of Argentina about the Falklands are on their continental shelf so belong to them, What is the real reason for all the recent fuss. Might it be that we are getting very close to extracting everything they have ever put their hopes on. After all the potential revenue from Falkland Oil could far exceed the amount of Argentina's national debt. Without this quick fix Argentina may well be heading to total ruin and if that happens they may well be taken back by the remaining indigenous people.
(58) falklandlad
Jun 07th, 2014 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0All well here, thanks...
A bit chilly this morning though...
(Note to myself.., remember to split some logs)
Jupppppp, lad.......
Please continue ignoring our futile Latino quickies (as you call them:-) to get rid of Ye Ol' English Colonial Power...
We wouldn't like the Foreign & Colonial Office to deploy their A, B or C Teams against us...
We wouldn't like that at all...
Is anyone able to explain why all the malvinistas are idiots? All their quotes are myths, lies, historical events which NEVER happened and some reference to ENGLAND, which is a province, only, of the United Kingdom>
Jun 07th, 2014 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ENGLAND a province of the United Kingdom” !?!
Jun 07th, 2014 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0A Province !?!
Will somebody please kick that Turnip at (61)
Where has this fella been??
Jun 07th, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bet Argentina will want to talk to him about this ;-)
”OAS Secretary General Jose Miguel Insulza, in a brief intervention on the matter said that he was only aware on 'this very day' that Argentina has been claiming the Malvinas since the day OAS was born in 1948, 'in that first assembly, 66 years ago Argentina made its sovereignty claim over the Islands”.
And Think - we do ignore you. The only 'wanna- be' colonists in the South Atlantic is Argentina.
Does this ringa bell - “So manifest a violation of international law must be considered not only an outrage for the Argentina Republic, but also of contempt towards other American countries. It is clear that the behavior the British cabinet in the Falklands, although detrimental only to the government that feels stripped of its territory, is also offensive and too injurious to all the American Republics, ... “
Modern stuff - from 1833. So how is that policy working for you Malvinistas ??
And yes, the FALKLAND ISLANDERS are still wondering what Argentina can bring to the negociating table that would be of interest to them. LMBO ( laughing my bollocks off )
Jun 07th, 2014 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 62 Think
Jun 07th, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I used the word “province” to explain to your tiny intelligence that England is only part of the whole of the United Kingdom, just as the component territories of the The Republic of Argentina are “provinces”.
Your ignorance provoked my use of the word “province”!
Argentina has ZERO chance of colonising The Falklands. They should direct their energies internally, before they are living on bread and water alone.
Jun 07th, 2014 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn! Is there some organisation that we can appeal to to grant a motion pleading for the Argentinians to “Stop Whining!” I mean really! if Argentina thinks it wants the the Falklands badly enough then Argentina should come and try to get them. If its such a crisis to Argentina's national well being that they cant bear the thought of Self Determination by the Falklanders then lets see if Argentina has the means or the courage to take that freedom away. But if Argentina is too scared or too incapable of doing such acts then they should just shut the hell up! They're like some yappy little dog that you have to control yourself from kicking.
Jun 07th, 2014 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67
Jun 07th, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine has no desire or expectation of resolving the “dispute”, the aim is only to inflame and perpetuate it.
If they actually wanted to resolve anything, or thought they had any chance of doing so, there are a number of steps they could and should take take: go to the ICJ, petition the UN to have the Falklands removed from the NSGT list (thus removing the right to self-determination), make overtures to the islanders themselves, admit the participation of islanders in negotiations, or start preparing another invasion.
But all they do is histrionic posturing and playing the victim in fora which can't help them and offer only lip service in support.
Some of them may be dumb enough to believe that this will bear fruit, but it is too much of a stretch to believe that none have realised how futile it is.
CFK
Jun 07th, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She can’t take it by force—she has none.
She can’t take it legally—she has no case
She won’t go to the ICJ- as she will lose
SOOOOOOO
She brain washes all that will listen to her, and tries to take it by stealth, by getting others to do her dirty work.
Still,
If she could only read, she would know all this..lol
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For Argentinas illiterate and ignorant masses “the world” amounts to the Latin countries minus Italy and Portugal, a handful of crackpot military regimes, and a group of states who also conveniently wish to forget self-determination.
Jun 07th, 2014 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All in all it's forty countries...
For a UNGA resolution (non-binding) or a UNSC resolution (binding) or an ICJ ruling....these 40 are woefully insufficient, and they know it.
Recently the Argentine opposition innocently questioned why their government keeps returning to the same “sympathetic” audience, as opposed to actually taking it to places that could help them.
A UNGA resolution majority voted denying self-determination to the islanders, a UNSC resolution ordering the “British pirate usurpers” to leave, an ICJ guidance that it would support Argentine sovereignty claims.
All perfect example of genuine nails in coffins if they existed....but none do, not in 50 years or 180 years.
Nothing.
So why does Argentina not do this...if the world supports them “unanimously”, if they have history, geography and God on their side...why not?
Marcos, Twink, Dany,...??
Why keep going back to the irrelevant C24, the OAS, the ANUSSORE, and trotting out some Latin or corrupt regime leader...why not actually pursue the real and proper routes for sovereignty change?
Why level your anger, bitterness and inferiority at the UK or the islanders, when it's your own governments pathetic actions which stop the dispute from being accurately judged in the correct forums.
Britain may or may not change its policy if there were an ICj advice ruling, a UNGA resolution or a UNSC majority vote against it...but at least the argument that Argentina had Global and unanimous support would be clear?
Why do you Think? why?
@70 Monkeymagic,
Jun 07th, 2014 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They really know that they have no rights in the Falklands.
They have convinced themselves that the UK is morally weak as we have no empire anymore.
They are hopeful that the UK will lose the will to defend the Falklands, then they will strike.
All of this has been caused by the wavering, indecisive, fart-arsing around of the Foreign Office in the past.
As soon as the Argentine“claims”surfaced, they should have been vigourously nipped in the bud.
All this weak talk about “leaseback” & “shared sovereignty”or any other ridiculous scenarios has only encouraged Argentina & formed in their minds that we are admitting that they actually have “rights”in the Falklands.
They know that they haven't, yet they persist.
And they are hoping for a miracle.
Maybe the Chinese fleet sailing to their aid! lol.
I Salute you Isolde!
Jun 08th, 2014 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Canada spoke up for the Islanders rights and the US remained silent, the statement from the OAS was not unanimous. But that's propaganda for you. Lol.
Jun 08th, 2014 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since some 'Malvanistas' have quoted Wellington
Jun 08th, 2014 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Dukes Letter:
“ It is not clear to me that we have ever possessed the sovereignty of all these islands. The convention certainly goes no farther than to restore to us Port Egmont, which we abandoned nearly sixty years ago. If our right to the Falkland Islands had been undisputed at that time and indisputable, I
confess that I should doubt the expediency of now taking possession of them.
We have possession of nearly every valuable post and colony in the world and I confess that I am anxious to avoid to excite the attention and jealousy of other powers by extending our possessions and setting the example
of the gratification of a desire to seize upon new territories. But in this case in which our right to possess more than Port [Egmont] is disputed, and at least doubtful, it is very desirable to avoid such acts. I am at the same time very sensible of the inconvenience which may be felt by this country and of the injury which will be done to us if either the French or Americans should settle upon these islands, the former in virtue of any claim from former occupancy, the latter or both from any claim derived by purchase or cession from the government of Buenos Ayres.
That which I would recommend is that the government of Buenos [Ayres] should be very quietly but very distinctly informed that His Majesty has claims upon Falklands Islands and that His Majesty will not allow of
any settlement upon, or any cession to, individuals or foreign nations of these islands by Buenos Ayres, which shall be inconsistent with the King's acknowledged right of sovereignty. I think that this is all that can be done at present. It will have the effect of impeding any settlement or cession
by Buenos Ayres and as we may suppose that the French and Americans will hear of this communication they will not be disposed to act in contravention to it unless determined upon a quarrel with this country.”
You can find Jenner's reply on pages
Disgraceful.
Jun 08th, 2014 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Disgusting,
Insulting,
Intimidating,
Shameful, and bloody arrogant,
Should be kicked of the world cut immediately,
[--but they wont be --]
What if England meets them?
This is provocation at the very least,
https://twitter.com/SkyAnton/status/475391020948258817/photo/1
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The Argentines went to war in 1982.
Jun 08th, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0They lost.
Time to grow up and get over it Argentina!
I can't think of a single reason why the Falkand Islands should be given away to an aspiring colonial country like Argentina.
Jun 08th, 2014 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why not returning the Republic of Panama to its original owner Colombia instead. And yes, Puerto Rico to Spain, and so on, and so on.
The so-called 'Malvinas' claim is the silliest joke I can think of. No kidding,
Philippe
SELF DETERMINATION is everything, everything else is irrelevant.
Jun 08th, 2014 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know it, I know it, the rest of the civilised world knows it.
Jun 08th, 2014 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They apparently do not.
Then again, I did say civilised.
Q. When are a people, not a people?
A. When they live on land that you want!
4th July we name and launch the first of our massive new aircraft carriers, that is the only issue at hand here, that is THE only message that needs to be sent to anyone wondering what the UK position is on this subject!
Jun 08th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No discussion required.
The article Las Malvinas: The Legal Case gives a careful breakdown of the legal position. The UN representatives should read this article. Certain countries are using their connections at the UN to avoid the legal position.
Jun 09th, 2014 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are now so desperate,
Jun 09th, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they have to resort to cheap sheets to get the message across..lol
US policy has been set. The UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Jun 10th, 2014 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0#83
Jun 10th, 2014 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a revelation ! The Oracle has spoken. Lesser mortals take note of this Deity inspired disclosure.
Hepatia,
Jun 10th, 2014 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have disappointed me.
l have only just complimented you on another thread about you not using your stock phrase of ”malvinas(wherever they are!)being returned within 25 years” in your post there.
Now you've gone & spoiled your record.
Personally l'll be very surprised if Argentina even exists in 25 years time.
But, hey thats life.
Bolivia will get its access to the sea , only it won't be the Pacific , it will be the Atlantic .
Jun 10th, 2014 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0They have already helped themselves to 6,000 sq kms of the Province of Salta and Tinpot hasn't done a thing about it .....
http://www.taringa.net/posts/noticias/7780856/Incursion-de-ejercito-Boliviano-en-Salta.html
Malvinas ? They cannot even hold onto what they have ...
If you are going to set US policy for them you might want to let Obama know you are taking over.
Jun 10th, 2014 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0US policy has been set
Jun 10th, 2014 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prove It
@83 Hepatia
Jun 10th, 2014 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here’s a stroll down memory lane of some of your posts:
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:00 pm
“In about 25 years time Brazil will tell the Brits to get lost. And they will. The Malvinas will then be taken over by Argentina.”
Aug 31st, 2012 - 03:02 am
“My prediction is that the administration of Las Malvinas will revert back to Argentina within the coming 25 years.”
Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:09 pm
“Specifically I'm talking about the return of Las Malvinas to Argentina within the next 25 years so that you people in the UK will not be surprised when it happens.”
Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:54 pm
“Given that the UK will be returning the islands within the next 25 years the incentives to act as you have suggested are no present.”
Mar 20th, 2013 - 11:27 pm
“…the UK will be returning las Malvinas to Argentina within the next 25 years. With that in mind I think the UK should save itself the future expense and humiliation and return the islands now.”
Jun 03rd, 2013 - 02:18 am
“As a continuation of that policy the UK will be returning the Malvinas to Argentina within the next 25 years.”
Oct 09th, 2013 - 03:13 am
“It is for this reason that the UK will be returning the Malvinas to Argentina and America within the next 25 years.”
Jun 08th, 2014 - 01:22 am
“…the UK will be returning the territory within the next 25 years and we do not back losers.”
Well if the US doesn't back losers, then I guess it ain’t backing you.
Nothing shouts loser more than someone saying the exact same thing for more than 2 years without even taking account of those 2 years.
Shouldn’t it be 23 years now?
Because your prediction has now blown out from 2037 to 2039.
25 years
25 years
aaaarccc
Polly want a cracker
@89 Anglotino-thanks
Jun 13th, 2014 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@83
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:00 pm
“In about 25 years time Brazil will tell the Brits to get lost. And they will. The Malvinas will then be taken over by Argentina.”
So, in 2037 then?
Or does 'about 25 years'mean anything from in 25 years time to in 10,000,000 years time ?
”Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:09 pm
“Specifically I'm talking about the return of Las Malvinas to Argentina within the next 25 years so that you people in the UK will not be surprised when it happens.”
So, in 2038 then ?
Jun 08th, 2014 - 01:22 am
“…the UK will be returning the territory within the next 25 years and we do not back losers.”
So now it's in 2039 then ?
Your time table for your Hitleresque /Stalinesque ethnic cleansing isn't giving the Falkland Islanders an idea of when they pack their bags and book their flights out is it?
At the moment what you are saying is that forever and ever and ever, the Islanders will be kicked out in 25 years time.
Why don't you even make an attempt to be menacing and mention in 25 years time, then next year, 24 years time and so on?
You are so predictable that next year the timetable for your Fascist ethnic cleansing will be 2040.
And the next year it'll be 2041.
I predict that H.will be saying “in 25 years time” IN 25 YEARS TIME !
Jun 13th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just about every comment that we see coming out of Argentina is the same repeat and I am sure they must have started to realise now that they are looking even bigger village Idiots than ever. The stunt they tried to pull at the start of the world cup might actually come back and bite them and I look forward to FIFA's ruling. Would it not be a complete joke if they not only failed to win the world cup but be beaten Britain. They would never live that down . Or better still were kicked out for using political means to address the Falklands issue in what FIFA states is not acceptable behaviour. Punish them in the most appropriate way I say.
Jun 13th, 2014 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The bloody cheek of the OAS !! who the hell do they think they are to (1st) tell the UK (NOT part of the organization) that they should sit down to negotiate, and (2nd) believe they have the authority to interfere with the Falklands, whose inhabitants are the ONLY ones with the right to decide their future. Bunch of useless pricks, just trying to justify their insignificant existence.
Jun 14th, 2014 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The OAS has no say in the matter and is a pretty useless talking shop lacking in teeth.
Jun 14th, 2014 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing to worry about there.
I hope the British send the new aircraft carrier on a 'training exercise' in the South Atlantic, just to see the Argentine Government absolutely spitting with IMPOTENT rage.
jeje!
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