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Falklands' address in Alejandro Betts new Argentine DNI and passport

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Former Falkland Islander Alejandro Betts was awarded on Friday an Argentine DNI and passport, with his alleged Falklands address, at an official ceremony at the Argentine UN embassy office in New York. Read full article

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  • CaptainSilver

    How much are they paying this quisling?

    Pathetic…

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    another stupid stunt that means nothing...

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mollymauk

    “...since Malvinas originally belonged to our province [Tierra del Fuego]”

    Try getting the basic facts straight here! The province of Tierra del Fuego wasn't created until 1990. The earliest “ Government of Tierra El Fuego” wasn't established till 1884. In 1833 when the supposed “eviction” (didn't) happen, the southern limit of proto-Argentina was no more than a hundred miles or so South of Buenos Aires. So the “great motherland” wasn't quite so great then.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    Funny but why does Argentina persist in making itself look foolish ??

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    This is probably one of the saddest pieces of Malvinas propaganda that I have ever seen.

    Some poor sod who abandons his home gets government papers with his old address.

    An address he doesn't live at and will never live at.

    Alex, you will die in a foreign country.
    You will die in Argentina without ever seeing the Falkland Islands again.

    This address on this piece of paper is the closest you'll ever come to your homeland.

    Congratulations. Nothing shouts loser more than this story.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    ”And since Malvinas originally belonged to our (Tierra del Fuego) province, this document is very special, with my name and real address in Puerto Argentino (Stanley), it is a very emotive day“ underlined Betts.”

    Err, sorry - which year was that ??

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Wouldn't go anywhere with that, Senor Betts. Who, exactly, is going to recognise it as a legitimate document?

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Especially when the dumb asre told the UN that all our MLAs were born in UK - a few mins after MLA Summers had reminded the C24 that he was 6 generations born in the Islands - and Alex knew that very well as both would have known each other in the Islands pre 1982 anyway!
    What a total arse Betts is - but then I suppose if you live there long enough, eat enough bullshit - you end up spouting it!

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Try travelling anywhere in the sane world with it, better still, see if you get through JFK with it on next years jolly to the poodle parlour at the UN. Shit I would pay good money to see that.

    On the perverse and comedic side. Does anyone see the irony that the worlds only citizen of the mythical Malvinas, was a British Falkland Islander? Before he chose to be a Quisling that is.

    PMSL.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Falkland Islands

    maybe what he really means is he knows they were born in the Falklands which is really British!

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Spelled his name on the passport wrong, it should read, BETTS>>>>>>QUISLINGO>>>>>>ALEJANDRO>>>>>>JACOBO>>>>>>>

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Traitor,
    Lower than a malvinista.
    l'd rather have some dimwit like José Mal to tea, than sr A.Betts.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    How did the scumbag behave during the occupation?

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    Has Betts been given a DNR?

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    8 Islolde
    As you said, he would've known Mike. Also Gav said they knew each other as well and he would've known or know of some of the others also. Liar.

    A passport is an official document with a serious purpose and need for accuracy and they're just fucking with this one like it's a joke.

    Hey Alex you deadbeat, why don't you bring it over and give us all a look?

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    I am just trying to think of how many travel documents would be considered legal when they bear a false address?

    Bearing in mind, passports are supposed to bear an address where you reside, that's why they ferkin ask for them!

    None!

    He might as well carry one that says he's a Venutian.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @16. I think you'll find it's “Venusian”. What's the penalty for being in possession of a false passport? I favour immediate execution. With a meat cleaver! Or being dragged aboard a Falklands fishing boat, sailed to the middle of the Atlantic and thrown overboard.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mollymauk

    @15,16,17
    The document in the photo is not a passport, guess it is the DNI referred to in the article (National Identity Document?). As far as I know, passports do not have addresses in them (well, UK ones don't anyway)

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    18 Mollymauk

    Come to think of it I can't recall seeing an address in anyone's passport. If that is, as you say, his DNI, I wonder if it's his real one or a ceremonial one?

    Can someone tell me if DNIs are mandatory in Argentina? I think they are but I'm not sure.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    18 MollyMauk
    Quite right, Molly,
    Argentina can write whatever it likes on its own internal papers- it means nothing to anyone outside Argentina.
    I bet they don't dare screw with his Passport.

    DNI Card - how many times will he be asked, “but where do you live, Señor” when it comes to being stopped by the Police for being Drunk and Disorderly, or at Government offices to receive his 'benefits'??

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    That's what happens when you live in a country that does not require Id cards, you get your wires wrong.

    So the story is, he got an Argentine ID card and Passport with on fictitious address on them, that it?

    Hardly worth the effort, I bet the citizens of TDF, Patagonia and Mendosa are green or should that be blue! with envy.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    The thing that I find extraordinary about this is that the people perpetrating this farce are the elected government.
    I could understand it if it were some lunatic fringe nationalist organisation doing it as a publicity stunt. But for a sovereign state to issue a passport for the territory of another sovereign state. I can't really find words for it.
    What is particularly amazing is that they are still repeating the mantra 'diplomacy and peace'. What is diplomatic about this? Nothing.
    I can't help feeling that they don't want dialogue at all. If I had write a list of 'Top ten things Argentina could do to make sure there would be no dialogue', this would definitely be on there. Closely followed by the museum of Falklands history with nothing about Falkland Islanders in it.

    It is strangely reassuring as well though. If they had anything real and true on which to build a case, then they would use it. The fact that they have to resort to repeating lies shows that they have no case at all.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @2
    Sorry your spelling is wrong, should read ” another stupid cunt that means nothing
    is better put I think

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    Lord Haw Haw of Tierra del Fuego perhaps? He hedged his Betts with Major Patricio Dowling and lost.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    The whole British “family of nations” will view this individual for the shameless quisling he is! Argentina can have him!

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    In comparison we in no way try to exploit the Argentine nationals who are happily living here under our BOT system. We don't parade them around the globe like show ponies and we don't issue them any sort of manipulated documents or ask them to make any sort of false declarations.

    The Argentine Government are like a pack of school kids from a juvenile delinquent centre. On the other hand we in the Falklands act like mature citizens.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    I think tbat all Falkland Islanders should now consider applying en masse for RG passports!

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Could demolish where he used to live but how about one of those blue plaques to celebrate his status as the only Falkland Islander traitor in history.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    What date did he leave the islands?

    I don't think they celebrate Guy Fawkes night there. Why not have a Alejandro Betts night.

    The kids could go round with dummies in prams collecting pennies for the Alejandro. Then burn the effigies on top of the bonfires, complete with fire works displays and everything.

    Just an idea, only thing is, with his ego, he would probably like the idea.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    Presumably his 'address' in the Falklands has a 'tenant'?

    Please give us a laugh whoever you are and send all the household bills to the Argentine government.

    Dear Snr Timerman,

    I am currently living in Alex Betts house in the Sour Grapes/Rotten Vineyard.

    Therefore I am sending all his household bills for you to pay.

    I look forward to receiving the money Snr Betts has owed since 1982.

    Please pay in real money, no Pesos.

    Yours Amigo,

    The occupant of 'Alex Bett's' house.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    I thought he actually lived outside of Stanley.

    Not that would actually make any difference to those lying bastards in BA.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vectis

    So this person left the Falklands 32 years ago and gives a Falkland Address that he is not resident at, well that is a false address then and clearly a stupid stunt giving out false passports.
    Are they that stupid it seems so
    I just wonder what the next daft plot will be.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @23 golf cronie.

    Fair do. I stand corrected.

    I am willing to admit I get it wrong occasionally. It's not a CIA/European press conspiracy. Nor am I a victim. I accept responsibility and should not be treated as a hero upon returning to be home country after committing a crime.
    Thank you for your bringing me to book.
    He is indeed a meaningless, stupid cunt.

    I will retract my demand that the UN treats it as merely a stupid stunt and immediate upgrades it to a an international incident of stupid cuntism. A press release will be issued shortly claiming the support of many, many insignificant countries.

    Please accept my humble apologies.

    Kind regards,

    ilsen

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    Perhaps the Falkland Islands Government should send him a demand for 32 years of UNPAID taxes.

    That'll learn 'em.

    Of course stupid stunts like this only appeal to the great unwashed masses the CFK and her ilk bribe it vote for her. To the rest of the world Argentina just looks stupid, petty and ignorant.

    If you have a real case, Argentina, take it to the International Courts if Justice.

    We're waiting...thought not.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    The DNI is indeed the Argentine National Identity Card- every Argentine has to have and carry one - same as in other S American Countries- you can cross to neighbours with it without a passport but not on to another. - ie between Arg and Chile or Arg and Uruguay - but to go from Ur to Chile means crossing another state so I am pretty sure that they then need passports .
    Many Argies who fly in here from Rio Gallegos once a month when Lan route that way, try to produce their ID card at Falklands Immigration as if they were still in Argentina - they get told the have an option- produce their Arg passport and get a Falkland Islands tourist visa entry stamp in it - OR - get put straight back onto the flight out.

    Jun 28th, 2014 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    Great!

    Now send him home to his Falkland Islands address!

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • La Patria

    I guess his address would be an English style address or have they looked on Google maps and attempted to rename every street?

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    He cannot go back Don Alberto - the wife he abandoned when she was pregnant has demands for 32 years of alimoney :-)

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Alex is, what, 67 this year?

    If we're lucky he won't be trotted out for too many more years.

    I bet I can guess where he wants his ashes scattered already.

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Argentina is backing him, no?
    Those 32 years back pay would just about break the Argentine Treasury.
    lol, snigger

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    A 67 year old quisling or 7 year old Argentine child.

    What do they both have in common?

    Neither will live long enough to see an island called the Malvinas.

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BLACK CAT

    “Social Spastic”

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steve-34-uk

    '1982 Falklands War: Seven Lessons for Japan'
    http://shingetsunewsagency.com/tokyo/?p=730

    'Movement surprise Cobos: traveled to Falkland - Former vice arrived Saturday to Puerto Argentino, in a visit that is not official...'
    http://shingetsunewsagency.com/tokyo/?p=730

    'Oil explorations opened a new stage in three decades of disputes in Anglo-Argentine Falklands'
    http://shingetsunewsagency.com/tokyo/?p=730

    'Argentina will support Putin in the Russian incursion into mineral deposits of San Juan and Mendoza ~ ...Cristina thanked the gesture of endorsing the claim of Argentina over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. And in the last General Assembly of the UN, Argentina failed to challenge the annexation of Crimea to Russia...'
    http://shingetsunewsagency.com/tokyo/?p=730

    “Whoever does not jump is an Englishman”
    http://shingetsunewsagency.com/tokyo/?p=730

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    Some interesting links there Steve
    At least a senior Argentine politico, Cobos, will be spending the coming week on the Falklands and will get to know some islanders. He is quite independentally minded and doesn't always follow the party line. Too much to ask that he will change his stance publicly, but ......

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @20. Sorry. Seen thousands of passports. Many have addresses. Just think. How many “people” are there with the “name” Mohammed Ali? Otherwise described as a weeping dick in a trance. “Mohammed Ali” actually translates as “murdering rapist”.
    @26. Perhaps you could include a new condition for “residence”. How about 300 lashes with a cat 'o' nine tails every day? Every “family” member. Toss it in the ocean if it dies.
    @35. What's the problem? It's argie. Not human. Shove it back in the cargo hold!
    @36. Where he can be disembowelled and then shot!

    Reading this, Alejandro? How do you fancy being dragged through the streets by your extruded intestines and then being thrown over a cliff?

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Swede

    Quite strange to issue an ID-card with an obsolete address. This person lives apperently in quite another place for over 30 years. It must be quite unique that a government agency issues “real” identifiction cards, which are at the same time “fakes”. But Argentina is perhaps not an “ordinary” country?

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Highly appropriate though.

    Fake address, in a fake country, makes sense!

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Perhaps he should try using this fake passport to enter the islands with,
    and see if the islands refuse him entry,
    would this not be fun..

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    Does not surprise me for the Argentines to try something daft like this They know Mr Betts is thick and already brain dead s he was an ideal candidate. They know he is rather old so it does not matter how much flak we send him he has few years left to worry about it.
    Alex Betts chose to betray his birth home ad more important his family in 1982 because he got in so deep during he occupation he could not get out. Now he regrets what he has done but he knows that he will never be again accepted on the Islands so the next best thing he can have is a document with what is now a false address to remind him just what he threw away.

    He is as sick in the head as the Argentine leaders who suck up to him. They are all losers in my book and they can keep him.
    To say there are no Falkland Islanders leading Government clearly shows his lack of current knowledge of our Country.
    I doubt very much he would attempt to come back here now because he knows the feelings o the people ad hat the would likely kill him on site.
    When he finally departs this world the Argentines will be at a complete loss with no local connected person to act as there mouth piece.
    We are so much better off without the likes of people like him who obviously cared very little for his fellow country men and women.

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Perhaps Alex Betts is stupid enough to be manipulated by CFK and her thugs,
    perhaps he will become the [ lord haw haw ] of the Americas..

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Services rendered, did he get to kiss Timmermans ring to I wonder. What a dick moving from the Falklands to the third world, hope he enjoys the default.

    Jun 29th, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @49 kelperabout
    Seriously, a question to you as an islander, - what so his family there have to say about the guy?

    I would love to see the unborn child, who must now be in their 30's to come forward and give us all their opinion of this Betts.

    Jun 30th, 2014 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faulconbridge

    Perhaps that's the address he gave to the Argentine Inland Revenue for income tax purposes.

    Jun 30th, 2014 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BLACK CAT

    The good news is Timmy has finally got some dress sense, the colour of his tie matches his 'brass neck”

    Jun 30th, 2014 - 06:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    52 Escoses Doido (#)
    If Argentina would recognise the Falkland Islanders as a people then any one from Argentina could find out just how Betts relatives feel about him. He is a relation of mine and after what he did deserting his family and in particular his mother was unforgivable. To know that he put our whole society at risk when he turned traitor is something the Islanders will never forgive him for.
    Many of us seldom talk about him out of respect for his immediate family.
    He is in my opinion a lost soul and who allowed himself to be brain washed by a brutal dictator because he was a coward who had no stomach to stand up to what they did to our homeland.
    He knows nothing about his former Country or he would not have acted so stupid at the recent event in new York.

    Jun 30th, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Hear, hear..

    Jun 30th, 2014 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @55
    Thanks for the info.
    I guess we find these types in any, and every society.

    Best wishes to all Falklanders.

    Jun 30th, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mr Ed

    Now he can answer safely when they ask 'Where are your papers?', and a thumbprint, like any good serf gives his government.

    Not much of a chronologist is he? ”And since Malvinas originally belonged to our (Tierra del Fuego) province, this document is very special”

    Er, no, it was British when Tierra del Fuego had not been conquered and before the massacres of the natives.

    Jun 30th, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    And at a time when CFKs parents were still Europeans.lol

    Jun 30th, 2014 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Audi Consilium

    I've got a Yrokshire passport, I paid a few quid for it in a tourist shop in York. It has a lovely picture of a white rose on it, and I write in all my details. I use it together with my Legoland driving licence to give proof of my identity where needed. I have never had any problem using these essential documents...........in Toytown !!

    Jun 30th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Thankfully this is all just a very, very minor sideshow. Any serious country would not bother with such chicanery. They would ACT.

    Argentina, the crappy, outdated clown.

    How utterly sad.

    Jun 30th, 2014 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberato

    #55 Kelperabout, you are arrogantly disgusting. The islands previous to 1982 were a a colony in its most feudal form. Impoverished, where the only lord of the land who decided what to do or what not to do was the FIC. You choosed to remain being part of that colonialism instead of being part of a nation that was the legitimate owner of the place regardless the state terrorism the junta imposed on us. Alexander Betts, choosed the argentine people, not its dictatorship. You choosed the FIC.

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BLACK CAT

    @ 62 Liberato
    You are from the Quilmes tribe I take it? I would be foolish to suppose that you were of European decent. Because that would be foolish talk if the latter is the case. Simply because you can't talk about legitimate unless your hands are clean.

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    62 Liberato (#)
    What a load of tripe you are spouting. We the Islanders chose to remain British .nothing to do with FIC.
    Mr Betts chose to desert his country because he was a coward and had no guts to stand up to the Argentine dictators like the rest of us did.
    He did not leave because of the FIC you put it. He sucked up to Argentina because like a couple of others who also deserted could not get what they wanted . Power over the people.
    From what we experienced in 1982 we made the right choice .Who would want to give away their rights to the freedom we enjoy to that of a brutal dictator.
    He most likely regrets his choice now seeing the state Argentina is in. Bet he wishes he had stayed to enjoy the huge financial success his brother enjoyed from the fishing industry.
    Even if Britain had not come to our rescue I for one would never have accepted the Argentine rule. Who in their right mind wants to give up paradise for a life of terror.

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Liberators is correct.

    The Falkland Islanders have always chosen options that don't involve Argentina.

    Seems to be a theme.

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Poor Argentina, loses again..lol

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @62

    “You choosed to remain being part of that colonialism instead of being part of a nation that was the legitimate owner of the place regardless the state terrorism the junta imposed on us.”

    Whilst FIC's dominance of the Falklands economy for their own ends at that time was bad, FIC were not taking priests and leaving them by the side of the road with their eyes gouged out, putting anti-government protesters in acid baths and throwing nuns into the sea.

    However, FIC were later made to sell land to FIG, i.e. it was nationalised for the benefit of people born in the Falklands so the situation you point out has been overturned.

    Any sane person given the choice of being unable to progress as much as they can now, or the choice of being tortured and murdered are going to take the former option-it's a no-brainer (but obviously not to an Argentine).

    I'd just like to remind you-30,000 people (maybe more) were murdered in Argentina, and to the best of my recollection, the FIC did not torture their workforce-you do not seem to grasp the relevance of this.

    Argentina were just plain STUPID!! The Islanders were being practically sold down the river by the British Government (who nevertheless, however morally corrupt, did not compromise on self determination), and the Argentine's response to this golden opportunity to get the Islanders onside was to deliberately export rotten fruit to the Islands,(a literal translation of your Malvinas?) treat the Islanders like lepers in Argentina, and to completely disrespect their wishes (and their interests) and identity.

    If you are incapable of offering nothing but colonialism to replace that of the past, you are not going to decolonise the Falklands are you?

    Can't you see just how stupid your country has been when they displayed the same sort of moral stupidity toward the Islanders that the UK at the time was?

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @62
    The most important (despite the grammar) part of that paragraph is “You choosed”. Comparing Argentina and the Falklands at the moment I'd say we chose well (I say we, I was only 4 during the war). As for the legitimate owner side of the paragraph, if that were true your government would have gone to the ICJ years ago.

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberato

    #63: You are the foolish here. Argentina do not deny being born from the spanish colonization and the islands was without doubt an spanish territory.

    #64: What freedom you enjoyed in those years?. The FIC was the owner of almost all the land, the jobs, the economy and the future. And i dont mention administration, becouse as today, the administration is decided unnoficially from london.

    You are full of lies. You was just a worker as the only status you could get, not even a home owner. But you would love to be represented as an islanders in its fight for freedom from a cruel dictatorship!!!. Hipocrite.
    And the only difference now from then is that you now took the place of the FIC. Without changing the colonial situation on the islands.

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @69 Yes the Spanish were there for a while after the French and the British and yes Argentina was a Spanish colony as well but that doesn't mean that the Falklands belongs to Argentina, no more than Chile or Peru do. Are you suggesting that all of the ex colonies of France, Spain, Portugal and the UK should be amalgomated into 4 massive countries spread accross the world. Even in that situation we wouldn't be part of the Spanish colonies country.

    Are you trying to say that Falkland Islanders couldn't own their houses until 82 because that's how it reads. If that is what you are suggesting then you are wrong. If you would like an example my parents brought their house in Stanley circa 1967 and their farm in 1980.

    But really the real point is that we are happy with our situation, are you?

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    70 Benson (#)
    Pretty sure they are not happy with their own situation hence there attitude towards us. We have what they don't. A way of life envied by not only Argentina but many Countries around the world.
    Yes you are correct many locals owned their own properties before 1982.
    69 Liberato (#) has not got a clue to the facts surrounding us. Makes it up as they all do.
    I am so glad we never became controlled by Argentina having seen the complete disrespect for us during the 74 days they Illegally occupied our home land. We would be totally crazy to even think we could allow that to happen again.

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Argentina and its bloggers on here have to learn that you will never get the islands, just so you can play imperialist empires.

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    I'm curious to know, is the address Betts has on this document currently the property of someone else?

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Liberato,
    You are not the “legitimate”owner of the Falklands & never have been.
    You really do require reprogramming, don't you.
    Just remember that this is NOT your land.
    Your information is well out of date & basically this whole affair has nothing to do with you or your silly country.
    So mind your own business.
    lf your country wants to honour a traitor, then go ahead.
    Waste your time & resources.
    Hope this helps

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DFM6053

    Inthegutter, I read somewhere else that the house is actually occupied by an Argentinian family who moved to the Falklands. If true that would be rather ironic. I have yet to see the FIG using any of the Argentinians in the islands for propaganda purposes.

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberato

    Its incredible to see your opinions. None of you cant deny the feudal system in the colony 30 years ago. When there was no oil exploitation, no fishing, no turism, where the FIC (Falklands Islands Company) controlled the wool production, almost all the land and almost all the jobs there.
    Dont you remember that thanks to the lobbie of the FIC (that was very strong) you did not ended up in a transferred sovereignty?.
    The logic is simple. We argentines knows for a fact the spanish colonization here ended when we got independence. You guys can not trace that fact becouse you (Malvinenses) were never independed. And in fact, you are not a people subject for independence, unless you get back to Britain, where most of you or your parents were born .
    You are the modern FIC.

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DFM6053

    “The logic is simple. We argentines knows for a fact the spanish colonization here ended when we got independence”

    The native population of Patagonia probably disagreed with that. I doubt they noticed any difference between the expansion of Spanish colonialists or the descendants of Spanish colonialists.

    Jul 01st, 2014 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Just because Argentina chose independence through revolution doesn't mean everyone has to.

    Or that it is the right path.

    Liberato is trying to highlight past faults but he can't deny that the people of the Falkland Islands have democratically spoken and wish to remain as they are.

    Jul 02nd, 2014 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberato

    No Anglotino, im not trying to highlight past faults. What i highlight, in any case, is that the islands remains being a territory under a colonial situation, and Argentina has left being that 200 years ago.
    I was hoping someone to discredit me for the FIC's comments, but you all know pretty well it is truth becouse you know how colonization worked 30 years ago and how is working now. Of course 30 years ago, the uk did not declared unilaterally fishing and oil zones exploiting it and controlling it with military ships.

    Jul 02nd, 2014 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @79

    You're not telling us anything we didn't know already. It's a most telling measure of Argentine ineptitude that you were unable to make a deal with the Thatcher government, probably the most junta friendly of any British government, when it positively wanted to divest itself of them.

    It's an even greater measure of Argentine ineptitude if you really do believe that it's possible to negotiate a surrender one lost war later, when the British have been obliged to take a renewed and highly successful interest in the islands.

    Jul 02nd, 2014 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Liberato if you think FIG is the same now as it was 30 years ago then I don't need to discredit you.

    Just because Argentina chose independence do not mean anything. The Falkland Islanders have chosen to retain their current status.

    There is no law or rule or norm that a territory must declare independence from the metropolitan.

    None.

    As the territory is part of the UK, you can't take issue with its declaration and exploitation of its EEZ nor its military operating within those areas unless you do the same to any other country.

    Jul 02nd, 2014 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Liberato,
    Thank you for being so interested in our welfare.
    But we are handling things to our satisfaction & are quite happy with the status quo.
    Once again, thank you for caring.♥

    Jul 02nd, 2014 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    79'
    stop living in the past,
    and live for the future, you argies are wasting valuable living time worrying abt something that is not your concern..

    Jul 02nd, 2014 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @79

    “I was hoping someone to discredit me for the FIC's comments”

    We don't stick our heads in the sand.

    We don't deny our past faults.

    We accept the FIC 's stranglehold on the Falkland Island society and economy was not conducive to self determination and your comments on FIC of the past are not wrong.

    What you cannot accept is that the UK gave Argentina a golden chance with the Falklands in 1960s/1970s/1980sas long as the Argentines were allowed to persuade the Islanders it was a good idea to become Argentine.

    It is important to remember that NO UK negotiating party ever accepted that the UK did not have a claim on the Falkland Islands, they felt that if Argentina could give the Islanders a better life, then the UK could accept a transfer of sovereignty, but it is not true to suggest that the UK renounced their claim to the Islands.

    However DESPITE the failings of FIC, Argentina FAILED to persuade the Islanders to become Argentine, chosing instead to launch a fascist invasion and used NAZI techniques to FORCE the Islanders to be come Argentine.

    After then, the UK felt no need to surrender their claim to the Islands as the Argentine actions forced them to back the Islanders-and as you FAIL to notice that FIC was broken up, and most FIC property was NATIONALISED by FIG, and sold to Islanders.

    The fact that FIC acted perhaps as a colonial power as you suggest, is as past history as the dinosaurs becoming extinct, because the Islands since 1982 have undergone three constitutional changes moving power to the FIG away from the UK.

    When I lived in the Islands the Governor could vote, in fact so could the CBFFI

    They cannot now.

    Your assertion of continual colonialism is defunct because the FIG have more and more self-autonomy.

    In fact, in the face of increasing autonomy for the Islanders, is the Argentines inflexible attitude which is the colonialism issue here, not the retreating control from UK

    Jul 02nd, 2014 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    84
    “and as you FAIL to notice that FIC was broken up, and most FIC property was NATIONALISED by FIG, and sold to Islanders.”

    Not true....
    In 1991, four large farms, equating to about 25% of the total farm land in the Islands, were purchased by the Falkland Islands Government from the Falkland Islands Company, demonstrating the Government’s commitment to agriculture in the Islands.
    The Falkland Landholdings Corporation was established as a statutory organisation to run these farms, which total 308,000 ha, with 150,000 sheep and approximately 1000 head of cattle.
    So...not sold to the islanders.....sold to the Govt....
    and most FIG property Nationalised.....I think not....to Nationalise one would need to be a Nation...
    ..take a good look at their property and monopoly....
    http://www.the-falkland-islands-co.com/

    Jul 02nd, 2014 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @85
    Some of the settlements were split up and sold to Islanders at the end of the 70's. Green patch for instance was split up into 6 (I think) smaller farms of about 15-20k acres and sold off.

    Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    86
    I don't doubt your word...it would make sense.
    I'm just refuting @84's false impression that the FIG compulsory purchased FIC's property (Nationalised) in 1991, releasing the FIC's (English registered company) stranglehold on the Falklands...(even the Landrover dealership)
    The FIC were not daft they knew other industries were going to overtake the agriculture and were probably very willing to offload their agricultural holdings for a handsome profit...it's business!

    Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @87
    Oh I'm not disputing you I just thought I'd mention it in case Pete was refering to the earlier breakup of north camp farms.

    Jul 02nd, 2014 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    82 / Isolde

    are you still here ...

    my eyes have looked forward you at Business Insider web site !

    Jul 02nd, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    Shortly afterwards AFIP handed Betts a tax bill , and he was out of there like a scalded cat .

    Jul 03rd, 2014 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @73 Inthegutter
    “I'm curious to know, is the address Betts has on this document currently the property of someone else?”
    Here is a statement of the current property owner sent to the Penguin News (I'm going to blank out name and address in case they don't want it on here.

    For the information of all interested parties:

    I, #### ####, have not given permission to any person to use my address in their political promotions, documents, passports etc. I am the sole owner of the property at ###### having bought it off previous owner, #### #### in 2008.

    Jul 04th, 2014 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (91) Watson
    Maybe the Reid's are subletting ;-)

    Jul 05th, 2014 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @91 Benson

    So technically Betts is squatting right, in his dreams if not physically?

    I think 'Most Haunted' should be bought in on this one so Derek Acora can comunicate with Bett's spirit.

    Jul 06th, 2014 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    No good Pete. Bettsy sold his soul to the devil many years ago.

    Jul 06th, 2014 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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