MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
“Vulture funds not interested in negotiations” claims Minister Kicillof
“Vulture funds are not interested in negotiations”, and all they want is “to get hold of the money for re-structured bonds holders”, said Argentina's Ministry of Economy in a release made public late Tuesday, the last exchange on the ongoing battle in a New York court with holdout hedge funds. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesArgentina squealing aloud again.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0'A fair, equitable and legal solution' is that Argentina pays what it owes without anymore of their high pitched squealing.
Pay your debts squealers.
“Vulture funds not interested in negotiations” claims Minister Kicillof
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0?????????????
Jay Newman, senior portfolio manager at Elliott Management, one of the lead holdouts in the sovereign debt dispute with Argentina, told CNBC TV Argentina's deal with the Paris Club was “important and illustrative” for a possible agreement.
“Argentina recognized after also about the same amount of time we have been dealing with our claims, recognized the total claim of the Paris Club, principal, interest, and penalties,” Newman said.
First Suarez and now Kicillof........what is it about ludicrous excuses at the moment? Must be the new fashion
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0So we're back to playing silly buggers time. Who exactly does argieland think is going to save it? I see the argies got Perez Esquivel to write to Judge Griesa. And that will achieve what? I wonder what it is about the Nobel Prize winners that makes them think they should be listened to forever and a day? He got his prize in 1980. He's 30-odd years behind. He also reckons that 9/11 was self-inflicted. Nut job! What's the OAS going to do? Whitter. The ICJ? Can't see a case for it to consider. Unasur, mercosur any one of a dozen other pointless latam organisations. If Obama phoned the Judge I'm sure he'd be told, politely, to mind his own business.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0And I'm sure that every day racks up the points against argieland. Argieland is already, officially, in recession. And as the days go past with argieland declining to pay, it must be that more and more in the capital markets decide that it's not a place to which to loan money.
The argie “statement” is ridiculous. Didn't they read the court order? What is it about paying the holdouts at the same time as the restructured bondholders that is difficult to understand? Did they think the bank wouldn't tell Judge Griesa what was happening? Did they think the Judge wouldn't enforce his order? How long will it be before the Bank of New York declines to do any more business with argieland?
Does argieland think the world is going to rise up and demand Judge Griesa change his mind? Surely it's more likely that sensible countries will be downgrading argieland? Time for argieland to be removed from the G20? A quick look at the stats show that it has no right to be there.
...and why should they be.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing to negotiate.
You have loads of money, as you president keeps on saying (so it must be true).
So what are you waiting for...
PAY UP.
It may just be a negotiating ploy for the meeting on the 7th.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The logic of The Dark Country is so screwed up they think that by making this ludicrous statement, NML will have to “prove” they are not just interested in the money by agreeing to a lesser amount to satisfy their claim.
Oh, yeah, this is going to work! NOT.
Tik Tok.....
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tik Tok..
again and again and...
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a bloody, stupid, idiotic, nothing knowing schoolboy. and the whole ck-gang says nothing better to avoid to become thrown out of the team by their housewife trainer.
What Kicillof means by this is that he is expecting “negotiations” to mean an agreement with the hedge funds that reimburses them less than was ordered by the court whereas the hedge funds understand them to mean a process by which they can agree a mechanism to satisfy the court judgement.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I imagine the hedge funds expect something along the lines of a new Argentine government bond which they can then sell to recoup the debt. The Argentines just want to find a way to pay less than what they owe.
The so called vultures have all the rights on their side and yet Argentina insists that they have an obligation to negotiate. Why does this sound so familiar?
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They still don't realize they lost. The investment funds will get the whole amount plus accrued interest penalties and legal fees they might knock a few bucks off to show good will but not much.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everyday they delay costs them more PV in bonds as the rating companies knock down their value.
Not a smart people.
@10, 11
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because Argentina does not recognize Anglo “justice”. We may take advantage of your corrupt system for our purposes but no one in this country has any respect for your laws. They are backwards and the proof is what has happened the last 30 years in your countries. The two worst performing in the OECD.
I woulden't discount a agreement over 80% bonds worth payment to the holdouts until last hour Tuesday night.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Ks will not give in until last moment.
Why would they agree to a deal that leads to default?
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 014.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because they and the governors are expecting to get more loans as soon as they reach an agreement Toby...
Are you naive enough to belive that the Ks actually care if the country is indebted to its neck after theey have left office??
Its default now or default later.
Default now is strategically far better because then they can legitimately blame the Vultures. Later, they will have no one to blame in the unlikely case the Vultures had backed-off and other institutions had given “loans”.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Default now, and you can successfully sell the narrative that the entirety of the nations of the world wanted Argentina to default and it is their fault, not ours.
“Why would they agree to a deal that leads to default?”
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because ignoring the problem doesn't make it disappear. That path has been attempted and failed.
“The two worst performing in the OECD.”
Worst performing in what? Juggling?
@17
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the Anglos have the proven blueprint of how ignoring past problems and crimes do make them disappear. Look at your stalling tactics in arresting Blair and Bush... you people know the longer you obfuscate the more the world will forget the war crimes the US an UK committed there.
Same for oh so many wars, genocides, geo-political crimes you Anglos have committed.
“Time is best friends with crime” -- The Trolling Stone
“I think the Anglos have the proven blueprint of how ignoring past problems and crimes ”
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You country is about default for the umpteenth time and “anglos” ignore past problems?
Bahahahaha
You have never been able to argue Nostrils.
I agree that default is far better now, because it wil bring the entire system down. But unfortunately my guess is they will agree on something at last moment.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Ks may use the “vutures” and the financial and international community as the ones to blame for default, but when the vast public sector dependent workers and subsidised on welfare recipients, dont get their increases in salary and assistance before hyperinflation washes their money in a couple of days there is no political argument convincing them. At the end of the day if the folk dont have some money in their pocket you have to go.
When metropolitan BsAs rises its helicopter for Madame Deficit...
And she knows it.
@17
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An Argentine lecturing the US and UK on war crimes!!!!!!!
What a twat - those who live in glass houses etc..
Toby I'm also hoping for the negotiations to collapse leading to default
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its the only way for your retarded self absorbed society to learn that it pays to do the right thing.
I would love and I expect to see BA turn into Caracas except without oil.
@21
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, because you have committed far FAR many more than we have. You have been a cancer on the world for the last 150 years and you can clearly see the melanomas EVERYWHERE: Levant, Syria, Northern Ireland, Maghreb, Chagos, India/Pakistan, Aborigenes/Native American displacement, South Africa, Iran, etc, etc.
@22...
The only collapse is that of your faltering maleness.
Because the world was at peace without a single problem before the British Empire.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh God stop already Nostrils. You are sounding like an uneducated fool.
By your standard, Argentina is a melanoma of Spain.
In addition to the incredibly ignorant nonsense uttered by senior ARG politicos about the result of the case (hard to believe they are consulting with US legal counsel before yapping) some have actually called Judge Griesa “prejudiced.” This is tantamount to calling him unethical. It would be appropriate to hold a hearing seeking to hold those who make such statements in contempt of court and to issue a summons for them to appear personally. The politicos could and no doubt would ignor that summons. Then the US Ct would hold such speakers in contempt which would result in their arrest upon entry to the US. Fun , fun.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 025. That would be fun but my guess is that Griesa is sick and tired of Argentina and its politicians commenting nonsence, at this moment he just couldent care less he just wants this whole thing done with and they reach an agreement as soon as possible.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see the gang has already been busy at work here. Anyway, let's back up a bit.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul Singer and company may not want to negotiate anything less than 100 per cent payment for the junk bonds they bought for pennies when Argentina was against the ropes years ago.
They did go for the jugular then and are still going for it, especially after the big hand Judge Griesa and the U.S. Supreme Court gave them.
On the other hand, Cristina is not Videla, Menem or De la Rua. For the first time in Argentina's history, the country has a team negotiating hard on behalf of the population--not against them as it used to happen.
The domestic opposition will criticize Cristina no matter what she does, so from her standpoint it's better to keep working for the country's interests as she's consistently done.
Once the vultures realize that, they will sit and negotiate a reasonable arrangement, which is exactly what Argentina did with the other 92 per cent of the creditors in 2005 and 2010.
@16 Toby
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Default now, and you can successfully sell the narrative that the entirety of the nations of the world wanted Argentina to default and it is their fault, not ours.”
Well put. And this strategy is no surprise. Claiming victimhood isn't just the only playbook your government knows, and it has worked for it in the past, if only domestically.
But there's the rub. It may work one more time with the Argentine public, but there is no way in the world that the entirety of nations is going to fall for it. Everybody serious has seen INDEC and Repsol and WTO and Mercosur and is fully aware of the relationship between narrative and behaviour.
Personally, the only negociations that will take place is to negociate the time and place for Argentina to pay them.I do not think that they ( hedge funds will back off ) why would you when a judgement has been made, anyway they have been in it for the long haul.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Hans
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Default now, and you can successfully sell the narrative that the entirety of the nations of the world wanted Argentina to default and it is their fault, not ours.”
Capitanich stating that the whole world supports Argentina would make that narrative difficult unless the public were exceeeeeedingly gullible.
@30
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And here was I thinking that the Argie polititians were truthful. The bubble is about to burst, shame that it has to effect the ordinary citizens, still they elected the government did they not, with a healthy majority, so they must expect something like this.
Nothing will happen until the end of the next 30 deadline anyway!
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will come to some sort of an agreement at the last minute. As usual it will involve delaying payment until the next govt is elected.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This will stop them investigating the loot Kristina has stolen.
Or at least until December when the other clause expires.
Eric, if you think Crissy is acting this way to protect the interest of the Arg population you are as nutty as she is.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you also on almost lethel doses of lithium?
The Is are slimeballs who've bankrupted your country stolen all the hard cash out of it and left the population in a worse condition tbn the last crash.
I can't wait to watch this roll out.
@30 Condorito
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course No Argentine policy is complete without the support of the whole world.
Thus Toby can believe, for example, that the whole world both hates Argentina and is eager to swallow its bullshit.
Interesting information from El Diario de Hoy of San Salvador, El Salvador.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota/nota_completa.asp?idCat=47860&idArt=8904537
27 Enrique Massot
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There ere no negotiation between Argentina and the bond holders - the bond holders were told what the deal was and were given two options accept it or not, 8% chose not to accept it.
This is like Argentina negotiating over the Falkland Islands, the only option acceptable to Argentina is full sovereignty of the Islands.
@35
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
@23
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You have been a cancer on the world for the last 150 years...”
Well, allow me to make an independent observation here:
Looking at the former UK colonies around the world, US, Canada, Australia, New Zeeland etc., they are all top-ranked, stable prosperous countries.
At the same time, looking at all the former Spanish colonies around the world, Mexico, the Philippines, South America (incl. Argentina); they are all cesspools of poverty, corruption, crime, and hopelessness.
Why is that? Is it language? Culture? Work ethic? Clearly not a coincidence, but why?
Why do people go to US or UK courts to settle disputes instead of courts in these other countries?
Just asking...
@27 Quique
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“which is exactly what Argentina did with the other 92 per cent of the creditors in 2005 and 2010”
Argentina really screwed that 92% of the bondholders over royally.
If that is OK, then it is also OK for Argentina to get screwed over too.
The world shouldn't condemn the holdouts if they aren't going to first condemn Argentina for what they did to the people they had obligations to.
If NML is a tyrant, Argentina is 5 times worse.
@40 The bondholders screwed themselves when they loaned the money.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They were greedy looking for a big payout and neglected to do due diligence when investing, seeing that Argentina owed 100 Billion already.
Juan Peron used to say the only truth is reality.....
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reality is Argentina is now backed into a corner by its own devices.
This includes all it's ventures with the rest of the world.
It will blame everyone/thing except itself.
Ctrl Alt Delete?
@42
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ctrl Alt Delete?”
More like the “blue screen o death”. Except that the reset button is broken. And the hard drive has a corrupted boot sector. And no $$ to buy a new hard drive...
@43
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well if you want to really push the boat out....
TWIMC.....
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yesterday, the vulture funds made public that they “think” that a payment in style of the recent REPSOL/YPF agreeement could be acceptable*....
*(Repsol ended getting about 50% of what they originally asked for)
Today in NY, the vulture funds are all smiles and very interested in meeting my boy Kicillof already tomorrow*...
*(No reason for waiting til next week..., they say)
This old and humble Argie “Thinks” that the buzzards are getting quite nervous...
This old and humble Argie “Thinks” them buzzards have good reasons to be nervous...
Argentina capitualted to Repsol and the Paris Club, thats why there is nothing in the reserves to pay for this debt of only 1 billion dollars.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tick Tock
Tick Tock
TWIMC
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Continuing from (45)...
................................... Today in NY, the vulture funds are all smiles and very interested in meeting my boy Kicillof already tomorrow....
... And my boy Kicillof has politely thanked them for the invitation with a clear “No, Thanks”....
Geeeeeeeeeeee.... I really do like that lad, Kicillof....
:-)))
Nervous? A self made multibillionaire negotiating with a poorly educated Marxist.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah he's nervous.
Bahahaha
Ypu are a Ridiculous idiot.
Just got back in from our super yacht trip up the coast - truly superb views and the helicopter option meant we could fly in and out for the big games as we pleased. We saw the USA game and were a little bit unlucky - thats a shame
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some important guests were present on the charter....
Guido was representing the Brazilian government for the guest of honor from UAE - this silly little storm in a teacup is close to the end and guess what - the pirate vulture funds will not be paid - this comes from the highest of levels so enjoy your crude ill informed speculations whilst they last - hahaha - its not going to happen my gringo friends and ARGENTINA IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS - now is the time to invest!
Tonight we are taking Leonardo out on the town for some champagne and drinks at Giselles parents luxury villa (designed by Niemayer himself no less) overlooking the bay......its so beautiful here
@39
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippines? Ok.
What about India? Kenya? Nigeria? Zimbabwe? Jamaica? Zambia? Ghana? Bangladesh?
All former British colonies... all FAR FORSE than the worst Spanish colony.
So the Spanish colonies are all mediocre, the British colonies you have two or three good ones (USA is not one of them), and a bunch of destitute wretched ones.
All in all, a wash.
For a “Swede” you take attacks on the British very “sensitively”, and have a prurient hatred of anything Spanish.
For a “swede”...
hahahahahahah
The USA is not a former British colony? How do you figure?
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, your education is an embarrassment.
I wonder if the Elvis wannabe travels on a diplomatic passport?
Yankeeboy.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find he his referring to the 13 colonies of pre 1776.
@51
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The USA is not a model for ANYTHING.
It is a British colony, just an awful one.
@50
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0India is far outperforming Argentina
Kenya is stable
Nigeria despite its corruption is doing better than Argentina because of its willingness to engage with the rest of the world.
Jamaica has internal problems but given the fact it's over 50 years since independence don't you think it's time it sorted its own problems out.
Ghana isn't that an old French colony?
Zambia as far as I'm aware is fine
Zimbabwe has been stuck down the plug hole by a fool
Bangladesh is turning itself around since it's independence (1940s)
But the main thing is with all these places apart from the lunacy from Mugabe is this. They don't bang on how hard they were supposedly treated by other people, they don't find excuses, they crack on.... Bit British actually. ....
How is Argentina inalienable right to whatever it wants today?
Bit overcast? Bit start stating your inalienable right to some sun.....
@54
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HAHAHAHAH, whatever you say.
More Mushrooms?
@54
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you can't dissect my argument like I have yours?
Fool... Piss......poor.....troll........
Because no one in their right minds would choose to live in Nigeria, Bangladesh, India, Jamaica, Zambia, and the rest over Argentina.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In facr many AMericans can't even choose the USA anylonger.
Don't confuse “a killer argument beyond dissection” with “such a ridiculous, laughable, benighted, agonistic 'argument' ”, that one can't be bothered to deign an actual retort to it.
I assume you are not so dim as to guess to which category your reply belongs.
titti boi tobi............your mommas nipples calls based on how stupid your posts are. I want to report all your posts as abuse BUT.......stupidity is not a reason to have your posts removed. SO, go on with more stupid posts.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think.......I congratulate you on the most precise description of Kicilloff for he is exactly that.....a boy. Though, you are way too afflicted to release he painted himself into a corner.
What will come first:
1-Booboo's impeachment?
2-Campognoli's acquittal?
3-Agrentina's default?
4-New flood's up north?
5-Another kirchner illness?
Can you say.....Democratic Republic of Congo....your new economic role model.
Mugabe took the bread basket of Africa and turned it into the refuse bin!
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now how's that for progress? suppose that is why he is admired so much by Christina.
@57
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahh I see.. It's nationalistic pride...
Your saying that people would choose to live in Argentina over somewhere else?
Great, that's a choice of self determination then. Tick in the box. Thank you.
What's so wrong with those places you have listed above? Have you been to any of them? How do you know they are so bad?
Your not doing this argentine thing of assuming your inalienable right to be right without justifying it?
@60
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's wrong with Argentina that you claim EUialand and NorthAmoland are so superior???? (false)
Tobi rim daddy and maybe he will allow to to find out first hand what makes them better, superior is your choice of a word.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@61
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I haven't.
I don't know if living in Argentina is bad or not just the argentine people who troll on these forums are panicking....
It must be if they to get twitchy over the slightest remark about defaults et al.
I'm just saying that the countries your putting down are not bad because you say so as there is no observation.
Btw the countries your banging on about are not in the us or Europe , so if your going to launch about geography learn a bit about Asia minor and Africa.
@62
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, so EUialand with all it's racism, terrorism, and separatism/ethnic cleansings, and NorthAmoland with all its inequality, mass killings, and crushing void of culture are BETTER because on average your per capita is 3-4 times Argentina?
Yet Argentina is worse than Nigeria, India, Jamaica, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Kenya, etc, even while its per capita is 8-10 times higher?
The only thing superior is everyone else to your ruinous mental congruency.
@64
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think this was aimed at me so here goes....
So Latam has no racism, terrorism, seperatism and ethnic cleansing going on right now? Right here right now you can put your hand on your heart send say none of the above is going on in Latam?
I never said Latam is worse to live in than eu or the us... Stop playing the victim.
The only thing inferior to your inalienable right to be inferior is your inalienable right to be superior....
Get a grip......
@65
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, it was aimed at Captain Lollypop.
I never actually responded to yours since I saw it after posting.
But to be short, anything foreign is worse than anything Argentine, by default.
That's because I'm argie, so that is the way things should be.
Relativity. Check with Einstein.
@66
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So CFK with her Spanish father and Germanic descent on her mothers side should be so abhorrent?
So should timmermans fathers Ukrainians descent?
They are European....stick them on the pyre??.
It's not who you are it's who you want to be...... You tool........
Argentines are NOT European, thank God.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@68
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because they choose to be...
And Europeans choose not to be latams.... Funny that......
Like I said if the rest of the world wants to be the way it is then god bless.....
P.s from the above you have trolling stone agreement on the falklands choosing their own path....write it down......
Nostrils
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're working yourself into a fever.
Argentina will pay no matter what you opinion of the world is.
@Troll
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In case you haven't noticed, there is a divide, in Europe, and many countries around the world as I mentioned. The difference between the A economies and the C- economies played out in Europe recently, between the North and the South. Greek/Spanish/Italian/Portuguese/Irish crisis etc. The Latin part of Europe vs the Northern part of Europe. It is not just Spain, for some reason the problem is across all the southern European countries.
So whatever it is that the Spanish left behind (or didn't leave behind), but the Brits didn't (or did)t, it is clearly real. I just don't know for sure what it is.
And no I'm not possessed with any hatred of the Spanish. I just have a particular sore point about Argentina for historical and family reasons...
And you're still not hurling that “Anglo” bit at me anymore - appreciate that...
@71
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The kicker is this.....
Those ex colony's have decided their own future apart from the uk.
Every so often the call for help will be heard and assets sent over.....
But ultimately they have flown the coop.....
Like children growing up,....
They will flourish as they will... X
@71
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The divide is that about 2000 years ago southern Europeans lived in homes with roofs, with internal heating, plumbing with running clean water, sanitation, theater, paved roads, mail, food and spices from all over the world, books, and currency.
The northern Europeans lived in muddy holes in the tundra, no roofs, no plumbing, no fresh water (had to go find it), no culture, no currency, no roads t speak of, and had to defecate within their own holes.
That includes the Swedes, who made the ancient Germans look as advanced as aliens.
@73
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you talk about some population movement about 2000 years ago, your talking about yourself...... Unless your someone who is Quechuan for example??
This is your heritage?...... Argentine president with a Spanish father and German grand heritage .......
@ 30 Condorito who writes:
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Capitanich stating that the whole world supports Argentina would make that narrative difficult unless the public were exceeeeeedingly gullible.”
Don't worry. The average Argentine has a mental age of about 4 to 5 years. They will believe anyone who claims that somebody else is to blame.
@74
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My point with that was, any living standard difference between Southern Europeans and Northern Europeans today is INFINITESIMAL compared to what occurred 2000 years ago (to be honest, even 1000 years ago).
So this superiority trip northern Europeans always embark upon (must be a recent genetic mutation, because it's like an instinct to you northerners to claim genetic superiority not just against southern Euros, but especially Eastern Euros and most certainly Indians and Africans), really is old, tiresome, and devoid of any actual evidence to back it up.
@73
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0* Grunt * (with an ancient Scandinavian bronze age dialect...)
OK. So my ancestors lived in stone huts while the people in Italy lived in marble palaces. So what went wrong then? How is that relevant today?
Why can we pay our bills on time and make cars that don't break down every five minutes, but they can't?
@76
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read 76. The differences today between north and south are 1/1.000.000th what they were back then.
So your genetic Aryan Master race lesson will not work with me. Sorry, find another Untermensch for your Zyklon B persuading.
@76
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Northern Europeans is swedes, norges, Danes and Finns.....
So what is the trip since decolonisation post say 1948 in Asia Minor??
They don't go banging on that the the uk has impeded them only you.. We have already covered this In previous posts....
What is the trip with Argentina post 1982?
Have you looked at the colour of your skin in the mirror?
If it's Quechuan for example and you lecture me about the abuse of your country I'll accept it. My wife's mother is one....Bolivian...so I understand a little how argentines treat immigrants.....
Like I said if there was this this problem then why doesn't India and the ex colonies still retain the old heritage of the commonwealth?
You don't have any evidence to back it up
Dissect.....
Tool.....
@79
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, so you are mad for the treatment of your Bolivian mother-in-law, and because Argentines don't want any relations with Britain.
First one, fair enough. Second one, too bad. We just don't like you, sorry.
I have some idea of immigrant treatment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bEGUsNgpBY
Fool me once. Ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bEGUsNgpBY
Fool me twice...
Fuck off Brits.
@80
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Language, language! I say, that's not cricket, old boy.
But the question remains - why can my country pay its bills on time and not borrow up over the ears, and your country cannot?
@81
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because Argentina is in the decline phase of its history. All countries rise and fall. We just rose extremely fast (in 30 years from 1860 to 1890 from poorest in the Americas to 2nd richest), and stayed there for 60-70 years until 1950.
Name ONE country that exists today that existed 0ne thousand years ago.
That's right... none.
All countries have and will decline. Yours included.
@80 none of the above...
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.I'm just trying to find reason in your idiocy .....no I'm not mad at all.....if Argentina s relations strengthened with the uk that would be good.... We did for a while train your Air Force.....and that's why your Air Force when in flight thought for a while in the falklands if it could handle the fact they would fight against their friends in the harriers....
Why have you presumed this my relationship my mother in law has trying to find an answer to all your deep rooted problems I don't know...
If anything it's opened up why White Hispanic people still run Latin America and native ones don't.
Your a tool
@83
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What? Please lay down the gin and then repost your reply.
@84
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No San Miguel actually...
Argentines want relations with not only Britons but the rest the world... But your hamstrung by idiots like you.
I'd like to reaffirm the statement about the raf. Training the argentines.... God bless them all....
You still haven't got the balls to explain why Latam is still run by the vast majority of white Hispanics.....as opposed to native latams which you eschew.
@85
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I “eschew”?
Please provide a direct quote as evidence to prove this statement.
If you cannot, I'd suggest to the other Brits they demand an apology on my behalf, since they demanded exactly that when I accussed Anglotino of something.
Argentines DO NOT want relations, we will rejoin the community of nations ever again only to be subjugated by the rest of the world under your boot.
Toby this is like the 1000th time you've used this same idiotic ranting trying to win an argument you lost 2 years ago.
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're a really dumb guy.
And its tiring.
The best you can hope for is to be a bellboy in an Intl hotel where you can use your language skills but do no harm by carrying someones luggage to their room. For gosh sakes keep your idiotic rants to yourself so you don't get fired.
@86
Jul 02nd, 2014 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I eschew”..... Your just talking as if the whole of South America belongs to sme white hispanic.....As if you don't want the native South Ameri-Indians to reclaim their homeland?
Why should you be apologising unless your white Hispanic or Anglo in heritage?
Strange race ........
@88
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm still waiting for the quotes that clearly indicate I think the Americas belong to the filthy European.
I would have no problem with all Europeans vacating the territories west the 20th meridian, effective immediately.
I invite yankeeboy as a North American squatter who killed a bunch of Indians to live in his boss's horse stall to be the first to withdraw.
Once all are gone, I and the rest of the true Americans shall remain.
Nostrils you are waiting for a lot or things.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's all you do. Wait.
Carpe diem dude.
Sitting in front of a computer isn't living. It's escaping.
Don't worry about me in the computer. It's winter, it's dark outside, and while not cold it's chilly . In exactly 6 months I will be in the beginning of my 2 week vacation which I am looking forward to.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am now almost 2.000 words further ahead of you. I hope you catch up someday.
My family has been in north america since the early 1600s. On both sides!
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am as American as is possible.
If you're Indian descent living in a country of racists no wonder you're bitter.
Nobody will hire you and your family must be peasants.
Nostrils
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's winter here as well. It gets dark early. It's cold. Hardly surprising considering I'm in the Southern Hemisphere as well.
Probably why my Colombian friend is currently in Thailand and off to Paris in August. He's out experiencing the world. 6 countries including your own.
But I don't wait 6 months for a pathetic 2 weeks to live. Especially as we get 4 weeks minimum annual leave here. I mostly reply on this site using my phone between work, uni, ice hockey, lacrosse and hanging out with friends.
But then again Nostrils, you have probably experienced all of the above through your computer screen.
Good luck with learning words and more words. Doesn't mean you live life or experience life. Just means you know more words. Wasted when you only use them online.
@93
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic two weeks to live? I think 2 weeks free time is fair for 51 weeks of work. I thought you Anglos believed in living to work.
Of course, I work for myself, educating myself to be superior to all others when I am done in this process.
Playing sports and dating women is a waste of time. Playing video games is a waste of time. Every second of the day should be used to learn, and to read the latest news from every country in the world. That is how I can discuss any topic from any country and know more about it than the natives themselves... in their languages of course since I learn them too.
Norman.
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mummies calling for her tray again, take it up, there's a good Phsycho!
Nostrils
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I think 2 weeks free time is fair for 51 weeks of work.”
I don't. I think 4 weeks is a good balance. Along with the 10 public holidays per year and 10 days sick leave. As a bare minimum right, I think that is a good balance.
In some countries workers get paid a month's bonus once or twice a year. We don't. Guess each to their own, however I prefer the rights I work under and the ability to take a week or day off here or there.
“I thought you Anglos believed in living to work.”
You are the one that generalises about “anglos” - don't complain when your generalisations are wrong.
“Of course, I work for myself, educating myself to be superior to all others when I am done in this process.”
But technically education can never finish. So you will never be “done in this process”. But as long as feeling superior to all others serves a purpose in your life, then you are welcome to it. I, on the other hand, better myself to be the best I can be. That may not be superior to anyone but then I don't need to constantly measure myself against others to give myself worth.
“Playing sports and dating women is a waste of time. Playing video games is a waste of time.”
Only to you. While I don't date women or play video games, I do enjoy ice hockey as a sport. More for the social aspects than winning. You have trouble with socialising so it is little wonder you choose not to.
“Every second of the day should be used to learn, and to read the latest news from every country in the world. That is how I can discuss any topic from any country and know more about it than the natives themselves... in their languages of course since I learn them too.”
And yet you don't. I have argued you to a standstill so many times that I have lost count. So though you can converse in English and can read topics, it really doesn't mean much if you are incapable of actual discussion. You just whine and attack. Great use of your “skills”.
@89
Jul 03rd, 2014 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I never said Europeans owned the americas I just said your heritage is the same all the other Europeans as your a white Hispanic.
Don't you speak Quechuan? Or are you just stuck with all the other European languages befitting your heritage....as you put it a colonial mass murderer?
I don't think I am. But your stuck with the rest of the euro trash as you put it...amigo.....
What colour are your hands when you put them in the basin to wash them?
Difference.... Your not Quechuan...for example...so you can't preach about being from South America. Your a tourist like your president and your foreign minister....now that is irony.....why didn't you get moreales to bang on about the falklands....it might have rung more bells? Anyway back on topic....
As from my above statement you can't separate people on lines (20 meridian??), colours, race.....it's their choice to decide who they are and eat they want to be....unless you really want to be a bit nazi about the whole thing.
Oh but you can't handle the fact that people don't either want to listen to the sound of your drum or that their drum is far louder.....
Some people obviously have too much time on their hands.
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