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Falklands experience, according to former Argentine vice-president Cobos

Wednesday, July 9th 2014 - 07:07 UTC
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Fresh back from the Falkland Islands where he spent a week, Argentina's former vice-president and currently lawmaker Julio Cleto Cobos calls for closer links with the Islands, and insists that the “Malvinas Experience” (“Vivir Malvinas”) challenge should not be banned to nobody, rather the contrary. Read full article

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  • Anglotino

    He went to the Falkland Islands.....

    and yet saw nothing!

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CKurze30k

    An interesting contradiction.

    On one hand, Cobos is recommending diplomacy and bridge-building, which is quite a departure from the norm.

    However, it is quite unfortunate that he repeats several Malvinista lies.

    “A military base which intimidates, where the international airport operates, some 70 kilometers from Puerto Argentino. Nothing justifies this presence.”

    The only people who the military base “intimidates” are the people who previously illegaly invaded the Falklands and attempted to subjugate and ethnically cleanse the legitimate inhabitants. Its prescence is very much justified.

    “...the indeclinable sovereignty over the Islands...its legitimate and non prescriptive sovereignty over the Malvinas...”

    Another lie. Argentina has *never* held legitimate sovereignty over the Falklands nor any of the South Sandwich Islands. The immoral addition of their claim to their constitution is little more than a cowardly way to avoid admitting this truth and renouncing their claim.

    I daresay bridge-building between Argentina and the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands would be a good thing. However, part of that process would include Argentina dropping their illegitimate claim for good, and agreeing to stop lying to their people, their children and the world about the Falklands.

    Somehow, I doubt Argentina's politicians would agree to even such a little, reasonable request.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • La Patria

    Yes there are some contradictions. However, it's still more positive than the present government's rhetoric.
    If we keep going in the same direction, who knows, in 50 years the claims might be diluted.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DFM6053

    On one hand his comments are daft. He acknowledges the war and the trauma it caused and then says the current military base is unjustified. The two quite obviously go hand in hand. No illegal military invasion, no requirement for a military deterrent.

    His comments regarding the islands population are a big step forward though. He acknowledges they have been there for several generations and are descended from many different nationalities. Not merely British “implants” who are squatting. It says something for the sad state of affairs of Argentinian politics that even just that one acknowledgement of the truth seems like a big improvement.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    He quite possibly believes in the unshakeable legitimacy of the Argentine position, but whether he does or not, he has to restate all the litany before he can propose any form of realpolitik. It's already positive that he publicly recognizes the many generations of islanders and the mix of nationalities. Just for this and having had his passport stamped he's already under heavy traitor/cipayo attack from the numerous kneejerk nutters. See the comments on the original article.

    http://opinion.infobae.com/julio-cobos/2014/07/08/vivir-malvinas/

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    It's all about him, his future political career, and the Argentinean claims of sovereignty. Nothing has changed. Only the UN has forgotten its primary mandates; its Charter.
    The Islanders will decide; they alone have the right.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    Poor Argies, they have a sovereignty claim without a sovereignty case. Laughable.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    He saw a “variety of nationalities” Anglotino - therefore he saw a “peoples.”

    The rest is just the sort of political bullshit he has to say if he really wants a chance at the Presidency :-)

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    I'm glad he recognises that Falklands sovereignty is not a matter for discussion. That'll save a lot of time. Perhaps he could have taken the time to recognise that the argie constitution has no relevance to the Falkland Islands, South Georgia or the South Sandwich Islands. As a “lawmaker”, he could also have recognised the international legal principle of “uti possidetis”. There was a war, started by argieland. The UK was victorious. The Islands are OURS. That's a matter of LAW, Julio. Incidentally, if you want links with the Islands, it would probably be a good idea not to use your made-up spanish names for places. Has to be very annoying for the Islanders.

    Diddums to the argies that occupied dugouts. For months? Argies invaded on 2 April. British troops landed on 21 May. Argies surrendered on 14 June. Argies occupied dugouts for 3 weeks. And whose fault was that? Were they invited? They could have surrendered as soon as the British landed. They were always going to lose. Who were these “brave” and “heroic” soldiers. The only ones I know of wore British uniforms. Or their normal sea-going rig for the Merchant Navy.

    Comment has already been made about the presence of Mount Pleasant. Are you old enough, Julio, to recall when the British “garrison” was 40 Royal Marines? Any idea why that has changed?

    Julio, you don't have a “Magna Carta”. You should learn what the English Magna Carta is. It's actually a curtailment of a “sovereign's” rights.

    For the future, avoid talking about something about which you know nothing. You just make yourself look more stupid.

    For any Falklander. This looks like a signal that the argies are about to try another underhand “friendly” approach. Didn't the last one run for about 10 years until Kirchner realised he wasn't getting anywhere? Stay alert. NO argie is your “friend”. Remember that you don't, officially, exist for argies. Will you finally be “recognised” as untermenschen? Think about it!

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lornefirth

    No need for MPA.....My they re a simple people lead by a devious few ,first there indoctrinated by Rome and then the government takes over,and starts waving the flag. I thought there might be some hope with this guy, just more of the same..........

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    We are not going to get caught out twice. Argentinas word cannot be trusted, anywhere! On anything!

    MPA is a deterrent and it will remain so for has long as it is considered necessary.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    The national Constitution states, they are “an integral part of Argentine territory and a permanent unpronounceable objective of the Argentine people
    ////////////////////////////
    If this man truly believes this,
    Then not only are you back to square one,
    But he should not be allowed to ever return,

    After all, his belief would be then,, that he is going to and visiting argentine territory, and by letting him return,, you are technically agreeing with him,
    Just my opinion
    , and your decision..

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jmackiej

    “Argentine sovereignty over the Malvinas is not a discussion point”

    Okay thats fine , so nothing to talk about then at the UN C24 then next year if you dont want to even “discuss” let alone negotiate. Game over.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    “I am aware there is no other path than that of peace and diplomacy and I value the efforts from the different successive governments under democracy, so that through dialogue and the intervention of international organizations, we can achieve for Malvinas the destiny we wish.”

    There will be no negotiation, the Islands belong to Argentina it is our destiny !

    So his visit did not change his mind on anything

    “Experiencing Malvinas, necessary and indispensable”

    Maybe he should have tried to experience the ”Falkland Islands and Port Stanley”, visited the school, the hospital and tried posting a letter.
    He did manage to fly from the continent without using an Aerolíneas flight.
    From all his photographs you would think that no one lived on the Islands.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    lets hope this was not a conn to be used to his advantage,

    otherwise even CFK might want to visit..,

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    He went there to campaign, simple has that.

    How many people do you know? that go on a private visit to pay their respects and post a minute by minute update on the web, followed by a press conference!

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rule_britannia

    Cobos was Kirchner's vice-president so don't expect much there - they are all full of shit.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    I wonder who told him about “ all the heroic acts by the Argentinian forces ”, what! shitting in the post office is classified as a heroic act then.If he didn't speak to the FALKLANDERS themselves there us no way the Argies were heroic, how would he know, what a knob, fancy Argies you may have this dickhead as your new president LMAO

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Orbit

    “so that through dialogue and the intervention of international organizations, we can achieve for Malvinas the destiny we wish.”

    I think you'll find that what you wish has no relevance. Maybe you've missed that point?

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    ...yeah that's a terrible, terrible contradiction....
    ...cringing reading it...
    ....?
    ....the double negative...
    ....I have not seen nobody write like that.....

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    As has been commentated- in reality he said as much as he could if he wants to be elected - but at least he said a bit and seems to accept we are people of generations and made up of a varied origen- not just Thinks,s English implant Squatters.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    Political gobbledygook and gibberish - saving his arse on all points he made.
    He wasted opportunities galore!

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    He was there for his agenda, not the islanders.

    His agenda is, the ground they are walking on, belongs to him!

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    ”The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescriptive sovereignty over the Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and the corresponding maritime and insular spaces, because they are an integral part of national territory.“

    Even Sr. Think does not believe these are part of Argentina's national territory ... but he has declared they should be ”because he wants them”.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    “respecting the way of life of its inhabitants”

    This phrase is trotted often by Argentine diplomats. It is a face saving phrase to shield themselves, their country and their claim from questions regarding the current population of the Falkland Islands. There is no thought behind it, there is no intention behind, there is no meaning behind it and there is no truth behind it.

    Excluding 1982, Argentina does not respect the islanders. This is clear. It is clear with regards to their attitude towards Falklands tourism, fisheries, over flight rights and the islanders right to self-determination. There is no respect to the islanders. If there was respect, Argentina would respect the islanders wishes and determination to retain control over their political, economic, cultural and social future.

    This phrase is empty and the islanders know it. Argentina knows it too. And as pointed out by other commenters on here, it is a contradiction in Argentina's claim.

    The islanders will never concede or compromise. Never. If you respect us, understand that.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Z-ville

    @1
    He saw what he wanted to see - for political expediency. He's not running for president of the Falklands or the UK.

    @4
    It is always encouraging when politicians attempt to learn something about a subject before they spout off propaganda about it. But in this case, he is twisting the truth in a dangerous way. “...predominantly Chileans”. He wants people to believe that the population is largely Hispanics who are being culturally and linguistically oppressed by the British, and therefore in need of rescue.

    Understand that their absolute claim of sovereignty of the islands is incompatible with the presence of UK citizens there. They have this delusion that the Brits should somehow restore the Islands to their 1833 state and then hand them over...

    @9
    It is even simpler than that actually. Whatever claim Argentina may have to the Falklands is lost in history. The world has moved on, the Islands belong to the Islanders. But Argentina's claim to South Georgia and the Sandwich Islands is completely frivolous. They were never part of any Spanish possession or tract, and never part of any original territory in 1833. It was a claim that they added much later based solely on the ridiculous notion that those islands are closer geographically to Argentina therefore they must be theirs.

    @25
    “respecting the way of life of its inhabitants”
    From the article it is clear that they are only intending to respect the way of life of any Argentine living on the Islands. Not the actual people living there.

    Throughout all of history, dictators and tyrants have often found it convenient and profitable to extend protection and benefits to fictitious populations rather than real ones...

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    So why insist on discussions when there's nothing to discuss. Sounds like Argentina are good at producing complete idiots as politicians.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Porkchop

    “..an integral part of Argentine territory.”

    Lol. This is why Argentina have never gone to the ICJ. They can't back this claim up hence, trying to build a backstory in the present which covers the past - the museum, the bank note, the switching of rhetoric to “integral”

    These people are so silly but it doesn't stop there!!

    Nothing justifies the presence of a military base... Err Hello, you people invaded once, you are know to lie about anything and everything, no doubt when your pathetic little protests fail and your flag burning rears sweet FA, your oh so peaceful recovery and objective will turn to something nastier.

    Besides that, none of your business. You have no say over the islands, none what so ever.

    Other than that, I find it highly disrespectful that this chump has visited the Falklands but referred to them as peter pan land. How rude.

    Peaceful, polite, intelligent people they tell us.... pffft pull the other bollock, please.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    It's nice to hear a more conciliatory tone. I do take issue with the fact that he chose (or so we led to believe) not to engage with the residents, listen to their views and feelings and obtain a true and honest perspective. On that basis FIG need to be careful in future about who they allow in and look more deeply into their agendas.

    His comments are also naive for a political leader of his status, for example Mount Pleasant is intimidating? It is meant to be is not? And if it wasn't there you would invade again would you not?
    In that respect it is a bit like he is talking to uneducated people.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    So he came and he went. Nothing changes. We are still British and proud and we are still the masters of our own destiny and remain Falkland islanders.

    Just reading his garbage confirms to me that he would treat us no different to those invading species in 82 . No one will ever trust Argentina as a nation who never keeps its word especially the Falkland Islanders.
    Don't know where he was while here but to my knowledge there is no Puerto Argentino, Bahía de Gitanos or any other concocted name they try to give our territory.
    Bottom line is he will be no different as the president of Argentina than any that has gone before him.
    Our Government has been taken for yet another ride allowing him to pretend he was on a private visit and not a political one. Everything he wrote is full of politics . I also believe that it is not the responsibility of the local Police to remove offending items from visiting trouble makers but it is that of the Customs who surely must have the right to search and remove national flags and such. Mind you anyone who sympathises with the Argentines could carry it all in for them and probably do.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    As I've said, he really didn't see anything.

    However it strengthens the Falkland Islanders' claim. Why because his ignorance and refusal to even use local place names shows that Argentina, to all contrary protestations, would not respect the Islanders' way of life. How can you show any respect when you use a name such as Puerto Argentino, that was applied during an invasion.

    I think Argentineans should have a Falkland Island experience. They can wave flags and talk bullsh!t as much as they want.

    Because at the end of the day, that is all they will ever have.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    I don't believe a word he says. He's an Argentine politician. As former Uruguayan president Jorge Batlle famously said, “una manga de ladrones del primero al último” (a bunch of crooks, from the first to the last).

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CJvR

    Too bad he didn't do something useful - like find one of the mines his heroes left behind in 82.

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Off topic, but here is another Argentine's recent experience of the Falkland Islands

    For The Attention of: Mr Juan Antonio Franklin Lopez, resident of Buenos Aires, Argentina

    Dear Mr Lopez,

    I have recently been made aware that there are a number of reports on various public web sites to the effect that you, together with a number of associates, are intending to attempt to travel from Puerto Deseado to Stanley, Falkland Islands by means of a small motor craft, on or around 09 July 2014. Some of these reports also state that you and possibly some of your companions are also intending to complete this voyage without being in possession of a valid international passport.

    In view of these reports, I am therefore obliged to draw your attention to the Falkland Islands’ immigration entry requirements that apply to persons seeking entry to the Falkland Islands as visitors which is as detailed in the attached copy of our guidance pamphlet titled “Visiting the FI”. Correspondingly, I must therefore also advise you that in accordance with the information as is detailed therein, entry will be refused to any person seeking to enter the Falkland Islands as a visitor who is not in possession of a valid international passport and who does not meet all of the other conditions pertaining to the granting of a visitors permit.

    By reason that these web site reports indicate that your intended means of travel to the Falkland Islands is by small motor craft, I have also attached a copy of our current Ports and Harbours Information Pack for your information. Given the extremely inhospitable sea and weather conditions that can be experienced in the South Western Atlantic area at any time of the year, may I with respect, also suggest that to embark on such a voyage in a small motor craft will be putting the safety of life of yourself and that of your companions at significant risk.

    If you require any additional information in regard to the Falkland Islands’ customs, immigration or por

    Jul 09th, 2014 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Z-ville

    @34

    Funny, really. If some Argie really tried to cross the straight in a dingy, he would soon be grateful for the fact that the Falkland Islands have a functioning Search and Rescue, with modern ships and helicopters (thanks to competent government and management).

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_TroLLing_Stone

    What is it about Anglo women and trains that brings them to open up completely about how they really feel?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4wWqfRzp_M

    This is a particularly SUCCINT video that perfectly resumes the Ozzers:

    Dumb, Drunk, and Racist.

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    And of course they do not exist in your Utopian Republic of Argentina! Do they?

    I should give up if I were you, your starting to give your fellow knobheads a bad name.

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_TroLLing_Stone

    No, they do not. Certainly not to THIS level:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bEGUsNgpBY

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @38

    From the depths of his bedroom, Nostril has made the amazing discovery that not everybody in the English-speaking world is Mother Teresa.

    Therefore all is well in Argenteena.

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    TTT does not know any Argentine women other than his mother. Given his messed up opinion of 'ALL women - no exceptions' I doubt he has a good role model.

    I don't watch linked vids but I bet women scare the bejeezus out of the boy.

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @21. I am concerned about your comment. Let me direct your attention to the comment @11. It is totally true. One of the simplest pieces of advice is that if you, foolishly, shake hands with an argie, count your fingers afterwards. For preference, do not let argies on to the Islands. If you absolutely have to, fit them with a ball and chain at the earliest possible moment. You must know how good they are at running. Do not believe a word thay say, or even a document. Even if they sign it. Forged signature, forged document or they'll just tear it up. The only reason Menendez complied with the surrender document he signed is that Major General Jeremy Moore still had his sidearm to hand. If there is money involved, get it up front. And don't pay for anything until at least 3 months after the due date. Record all conversations and, if possible, get it on video as well. And what's that bit about him accepting that “we are people of generations and made up of a varied origen”, mostly, according to him, Chilean. That's a kicker. “Majority of the rural population is Chilean. Therefore, south american. Probably from land stolen from argieland. So, really, they're argies”. See how easily it's twisted? He hasn't said ANYTHING of any relevance. It's all just typical argie garbage. And, above all else, do not get the idea that he “might” be some sort of friend. Out of 41 million inhabitants, I reckon you'd be hard pressed to find more than a couple of thousand that could be viewed as “honest” by a normal person's standards.
    @26. I take your points BUT, surely, “uti possidetis” overcomes all. The principle was affirmed by the ICJ in the 1986 Case Burkina-Faso v Mali. No indication that it's ever been overtaken.

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Remember [ Helen of troy and the gift horse ]
    ???
    We don't want to see a [ Christina of the Falkland's do we ]

    never trust an argie bearing great gifts...?

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sceptic64

    “I do not shun the challenge of links to the Islands..., to comply with every single word of what is stated in our National Constitution: ”The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non prescriptive sovereignty over the Malvinas,”

    Comply with? Comply with? How very dictatorial.

    It sums up the arrogance of the neo-colonialist Hispanic duo - Argentina and Spain (as a Gibraltarian I am only too used to this high-handed tone).

    The people of the Falklands don't need - or want - to “comply” with any requirements from a nation which has no part to play in their governance.

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “I also visited Puerto Argentino, Bahía de Gitanos and several places where decisive battles of the conflict took place: Monte Longdon, Wireless Ridge, among others.”

    For goodness sake Julio, if you are going to use invented place names for some locations (Bahia de Gitanos??? Huh? Battle of the Bands????), at least make an effort to rename Mt Longdon and Wireless Ridge with your fairy story names.

    ” before 1982 they had access to the continent: there were Aerolíneas flights, postal service, education and healthcare in Rio Gallegos and Buenos Aires,

    And they were humiliated by being forced to carry a white card (an attempt at ethnic cleansing), were sent bad apples and now:
    No need for Aerolineas (hear about the Aerolineas Airbus 340 this week that turned onto a runway in Spain as another aircraft was coming into land??), as there are LAN Chile and UK flights , no need for an Argentine postal service, the education in the Falklands is indoctrination free, of a superior standard and guess what? Falkland islanders get to go to Universities in the UK-free. Healthcare services have much improved in the Islands, so Julio's lamentations are just that, you can't offer the Islanders anything they haven't got already-Door-Horse-Bolted.

    “I also perceived the cost of the war for the Islanders.”

    More reality denial-no mention of unmarked mines, bedrooms used as toilets, plans for ethnic cleansing, the mental scars caused to the Islanders from the war and almost total lack of trust towards Argentina, whereas before the war, there may have been some trust.

    No admission that most of the costs of the war were caused by Argentina and that the islanders have gained more than they had when they had links with Argentina.

    “ and in compliance with the principles of international law”

    Meaning'=in compliance with the principles of Argentine law.'

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    ''we can achieve for Malvinas the destiny we wish.''

    No, you really can't.
    The destiny of the Falklands is safe in the hands of the people who actually live here.
    The problem for you is that we too have a constitution, and we are just as attached to it as you are to yours.

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @15 Briton
    Oh, it’s a con all right, more insidious than anything CFK could think up

    Especially like the bit about “disadvantageous situations from war and technological points of view.”

    Remember Versailles, thinking that they almost could have won, were it not for some “deficiencies”, was what lead to the next war.

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    42

    “Remember [ Helen of troy and the gift horse ]
    ???”

    I remember Helen

    :-)

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bongo

    @47

    I thought you loved Marina?

    Jul 10th, 2014 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Well... that was a long time ago.

    Atlanta really wanted to go out again, too.

    Jul 11th, 2014 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    As long as CFK has delusions of granular she will forever miss her deluded victory..lol

    Jul 11th, 2014 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    48 bongo

    Poor Marina.
    I know something was bothering her, but I could never get her to talk about it.

    Jul 11th, 2014 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    If Julio Cleto Cobos was to put as much passion into the welfare of his own Country and its people as he has with his determination to govern our homeland Argentina may not be in the situation it is in today. Corrupt , poverty, No Direction, Dishonest, Fail to repay their borrowings the list is endless.

    Julio Cleto Cobos is supposedly an intelligent person given that he is trained as a lawyer yet he speaks about us and our way of life as if we know nothing. No wonder Argentina is in such a dung pit with people like that. I take back my suggestion that we might educate him while he was here. No a leopard never changes its spots and I now realise you cannot re-educate a brain addled subject.
    He is in effect another Argentine Puppet.

    Jul 11th, 2014 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    Kelperabout @ 52.

    Exactly. As I stated in my post 32 above, they're a bunch of crooks. I suppose there might be a decent one somewhere, but I have no idea who he/she may be.

    Jul 11th, 2014 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steve-34-uk

    'The particular history of having kelper Argentine DNI and passport and took note of the address of the islands - In what represents an unprecedented and curious case sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas, Alexander Jacobb Betts a kelper living decades in the province of Córdoba is in favor of the Argentine claim to the UK, he became noted on your ID Argentine passport and the address was in the archipelago until 1982. There is no doubt that this civil giving him permission in Argentina, the Government seeks to establish a national and international legal precedent to the United Kingdom. But from Stanley, the current owner of the house, Carol Stewart, rejected the legal inscription in the same continent, and reminded Betts who is the same...'
    http://www.clarin.com/politica/particular-DNI-pasaporte-argentinos-domicilio_0_1172883055.html

    'Premier’s CEO Seeks to Top Oil Target, Get Falklands Partner'
    http://www.clarin.com/politica/particular-DNI-pasaporte-argentinos-domicilio_0_1172883055.html

    'Heating fuel too expensive say 60 per cent of Stanley residents'
    http://www.clarin.com/politica/particular-DNI-pasaporte-argentinos-domicilio_0_1172883055.html

    Jul 11th, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    boludo 1
    “He went to the Falkland Islands.....
    and yet saw nothing!”

    and what do you want him to see?
    except penguins, sheep droppings, islanders and guano, there is nothing in those f*cking islets

    Jul 12th, 2014 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Z-ville

    @55

    So why does Argentina want them then?

    Those Islands are cold, windswept craggy rocks that for most people would be utterly inhospitable.

    And yet, the Islanders have managed to create a vibrant prosperous economy out of that. And doing so in the face of an arrogant aggressive neighbor that blocks them, embargoes them, and tries to thwart them at every turn. Yet somehow they have the highest GDP per capita in South America. That is worth respect for sure.

    Maybe that is why Argentina wants those Islands. But of course Argentina's incompetent management skills would quickly turn those Islands back to the unpopulated barren islands they once were...

    So the true value of the Islands is not in the geography, it is in the inhabitants....

    Jul 12th, 2014 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @55

    “except penguins, sheep droppings, islanders and guano, there is nothing in those f*cking islets”

    So the Eurofighters have gone then?

    They are interesting.

    Jul 12th, 2014 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    55 paulcedron (#)
    “and what do you want him to see?
    except penguins, sheep droppings, islanders and guano, there is nothing in those f*cking islets”

    We wanted him to see how contented we are with our chosen way of life. Just because you and your lot like to live in Argentina under the lies and corruption that is dominating you all does not mean that we should become a part of that ugly regime.

    Our forefathers settled here from many parts of the world. They chose to accept the British sovereignty over the Islands. They built this Country through hard work not by taking someone else's hard work by brutal force as Argentina did to the native people.

    Generations of Islanders have continued to build on their ancestors foundations and we as a modern people who for many of us are not implanted as you suggest whish to continue our way of life peacefully and without threat from Argentina.
    Is that really so much to ask from you.
    By your very statement you believe the Islands has nothing to offer so why for gods sake do you want to own us.
    Seems to me it is for human greed and not need just as you did hundreds of years ago when you destroyed an indigenous people .
    You are the most vile people that ever conquered a land and you have learned nothing about mankind in that time.
    I am amazed that so many South American Countries have followed you down that road. It surely means that every one of them is as corrupt as your Country to believe in you.
    So very Sad.

    Jul 12th, 2014 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Ah but he missed to missile silos and the hush hush naval sub base...

    Jul 12th, 2014 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    *58 The most sincere post I have read on here up to now.......without
    using bad language or menacing anybody..well done Sir!!

    Jul 12th, 2014 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Blind to the truth Paul, blind to the truth.

    But as you are also blind to the truth, it is hardly surprising that my comment confused you so much.

    Jul 12th, 2014 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    58

    Well- said.

    Jul 13th, 2014 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    @60 a bit like some of your posts
    “what Argentina needs is a few nukes...big mamas!! ten or fifteen that will take out the Falkands/malvinas and a few left over to take out a few cities in the UK...and you will see how quickly the Military brass in the UK will think twice before destroying Argentinian lives in Argentina with any military action...like Israel is doing with the Palestinians.GO NUCLEAR NOW!!”

    Jul 13th, 2014 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    *63 What I say and kelperabout says are two different things but I admire the way he said it but on the otherhand your posting is menacing,pompous,truculent and boorish.Try and learn fron Kelperabout.

    Jul 13th, 2014 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    64

    you ARE a pompous A.S.S., aren't you ?

    =)

    Jul 13th, 2014 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    *65 and you too!! your postings are as useless as tits on a bull!!!
    write something intelligent to impress me not bullshit.....

    Jul 13th, 2014 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    66 A.S.S.

    you really are the stupidest Troll on here.
    I think most of us just cringe when we see your users name in the Side bar, “ what inane gibberish is he spouting now?”

    Your posts are juvenile and simplistic.

    What a bore you are.

    Jul 14th, 2014 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “write something intelligent to impress me ”

    As most posts on here are more intelligent than yours that shouldn't be difficult.

    Jul 14th, 2014 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    '*65 and you too!! your postings are as useless as tits on a bull!!!
    write something intelligent to impress me not bullshit.....'

    I think you are complaining, Aussie, about bulltits.

    Jul 14th, 2014 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    *68 another useless comment.....try something more intel and more original....you sound like a parrot.

    Jul 14th, 2014 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    Geoff @ 69, Pete @ 68, Troy @ 65

    A.S.S. has successfully hijacked the thread. Like Stevie, Guzz and others he is best ignored.

    Jul 14th, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @44 Pete
    ”(Bahia de Gitanos??? Huh? Battle of the Bands????)”
    I think that means Gypsy Bay so if he had used Cala instead of Bahia it would have been a direct translation of the correct name Gypsy Cove.

    Jul 15th, 2014 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @72 Benson
    Thanks for clarification as obviously Gitanos is not Spanglish for guitar. My satire has gone too far this time.

    Jul 16th, 2014 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rule_britannia

    “I also visited Puerto Argentino, Bahía de Gitanos ....” Sorry, mate. Never 'eard of 'em. Are they near Good Airs in Argentina? Or Sea of Silver?

    Jul 16th, 2014 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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