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Brazilians join Germans in celebrating the World Cup and Argentina's defeat
Brazilians bitter about their team's disastrous World Cup celebrated Argentina's defeat to Germany in the final Sunday by dancing and launching fireworks, relieved that their arch-rivals failed to triumph on their soil. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHang on don't we hear all the time about South American unity.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then again wouldn't a lot of Argentinians be only one of two generations removed from the fatherland.
As England supporter I was right behind Germany. yay
Told you the Brasilians in general dislike the Argentinians.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina lost the World Cup final, but
Jul 14th, 2014 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0we, the holdout creditors worldwide, who have been suffering for more than a decade, are in each case the looser and Argentina is the winner, even if Argentina would repay all of OUR money. No one of the argentine government can imagine the suffering of the tens of thousend holdout creditors and their Families worldwide.
The South American brotherhood-yeah right.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0A bit different to how politicians portray unity.
What's happening about the 'Malvinas' poster-FIFA?
At least Argentina did a hell of a lot better than England and they weren't defeated by 7 goals So they did pretty good despite losing the final. Just a Yanks opinion ;-)
Jul 14th, 2014 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguayos were ecstatic at the German win, as was I.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argies LOST! GREAT.
@5 Livingthenightmare
“Just a Yanks opinion”
Of course you are dear: a Yank through and through: now go back to the slum in BsAs that you came from.
Solid support for Germany from the Falklands as well - and from the Islanders who were there in Rio.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 I have to agree with you. Argentina got to the WCFs and it was a very close game. It could have gone either way but luck was not on the side of Argentina.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Over the whole competition I think the German team played better. Just sayin'.
You have really got to wonder at the Anglo psychology....two world wars against Germany.... yet almost 100% behind them.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0In total how many Brits died by their hands.....
Blood is indeed thicker than water...
I hope that one day Argentine people wake up to the fact that people in the world -the few that do actually get to know us- dont like us.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arrogance lack of manners, respect, good faith and lack of law abidance that ordinary Argentines portrait abroad is coming to haunt us back as a whole. Argentina is one of the most hated countries in Latam after the US.
At least the americans can say the old Caligula quote “ let them hate us whilst they fear us” but Argentina without being a power, without having any influence, with out any reason for causing jealousy has just won its bad reputation out of its simple idiosyncrasy.
Yet one tries to explain this here and they will always fall back and victimize....
Sad and embarrassing for me.
@9 It is called moving on and dealing with things. The Germany of today is not the Germany of 1914 or 1939, it is not even recognisable from those days.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, one cannot say the same for Argentina viz-a-viz 1982, except that HM Armed Forces pushed an Argentine Junta to collapse and the military to return to barracks, for at least 32 years, and likely much longer. A bit of gratitude might do wonders for Argentina's image.
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Jul 14th, 2014 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fine... if you think people change.....
1914...I think zis ist ein gut opportunity to control Europe.....then der Vorld
1939....I think zis ist ein gut opportunity to control Europe.....then der Vorld
2014......I think.....;-))))
@9 Good grief! Why do Argentines live in the past? Is history taught as the present day in Argentina? I refer you to @11's response.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10 Don't be quite so hard on yourself. :) I like a lot of Argentines that I know well. It is also true that I have to shift my thinking when dealing with some of my friends there. They play by different rules.
It is true that a lot of Central and South Americans do not like Argentines. If you ask them about rivalries it is always a neighbouring country and Argentina. Neighbours because traditionally there are rivalries and Argentina because of the arrogance they display.
When I moved back to the USA from Argentina one of my Latin friends said“ Ugh an American speaking Argentinian Spanish, everyone is going to hate you”
Jul 14th, 2014 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahaha
Brazilian girls were tirelessly celebrating in an effort to get a German boyfriend to marry and leave the hardships of Brazil behind!
Jul 14th, 2014 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it true that in Rio, after the game, the Argentines were not fighting with German supporters or Brazilians but with each other?
Jul 14th, 2014 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Deutschland Deutschland ueber alles... (natuerlich im Fussbal)
Jul 14th, 2014 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinian fans however can be rightfully proud of their team.
Brits cheering on the Germans.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My god, desperate times desperate measures.
What would your grandfathers say.
http://bombsight.org/#8/51.510/-0.091
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Jul 14th, 2014 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...“don't live in London”...?
He'd say we, “We drew with them 2-2. Xmas 1914.”
Jul 14th, 2014 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ah..what a saddest thing to see how some people make fun of the defeat of the national team of others when their own team accomplishes nothing ever .. or haven't won anything for decades....
Jul 14th, 2014 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously, people in this site like to mix politics with sport and show their hate felt to other country. I ask myself why there were so many outraged people just because a signal shown by the Argentine National Team
Well, well, don't worry, keep on working to improve the level of your National Teams.......one day may be you will reach the level to play a final test in a WC.
Other than the Falkland islanders and the Brit users on MercoPress, mainland britons were probably backing Argentina most. Its a neighbours that cant stand the sight of us.
Jul 14th, 2014 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2014/06/11/argentina-y-ee-uu-las-selecciones-que-generan-mas-rechazo-rumbo-al-mundial/
Chileans backing Germany......British backing Germany.....Brazilians backing Germany.....Islanders backing Germany.....waaa.......don't you have your own national teams? Someone must be evicted, resigned and frustrated to do that !!!
Jul 14th, 2014 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway Germany is a great Champion that deserves the cup...well done Germany !!!
Brazilian mentality...very poor in deed!!!
Jul 14th, 2014 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22
Jul 14th, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure, but you need to factor in that Argentina, as a country, is pretty insignificant to most younger British people these days. They are likely not to have a full and current understanding of your presidents attitude towards the Falkland Islands or share the historical feelings.
The British tend to route for the underdog so Argentina was probably well supported in the UK in that respect.
C'mon 'Brasileiro' where are you for comment on your non-countrymen?
Jul 14th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina only lost because Germany had ????
Jul 14th, 2014 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so some say,, wink wink.
When the goal was scored and at final whistle, a US Spy satellite reported more decibels from Port Stanley and Mount Pleasant than Rio & Berlin combined !
Jul 14th, 2014 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 10 CabezaDura2 who wrote: “I hope that one day Argentine people wake up to the fact that people in the world -the few that do actually get to know us- dont like us.”
Jul 14th, 2014 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In my experience you are wrong. The problem as I see it, is that the majority of Argentines who are known to the rest of the world are porteños.
I have been living 6 months in Buenos Aires, and I didn't like the majority of the snotty and “superior” porteños I have met.
I have also been living more than 5 years in the Argentine provinces and before I settled down I visited more than 20 provincial towns, and I really appreciate the friendly, helpfull and nice people in the Argentine provinces.
I agree with those agradable provincial people, who wanted to build a “Berlin Wall” around BsAs.
The few who actually get to know us- don’t like us.”
Jul 14th, 2014 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mmmm
Perhaps if they stopped trying to steal, what is not theirs, people might have a different opinion..
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29 I know, but you can't expect people out of Argentina to make that distinction
Jul 14th, 2014 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 - Do you write from N.Ireland or Gibraltar ??
Jul 14th, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32
Jul 15th, 2014 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0... or anywhere else in the world where the principle of self-determination has been upheld?
@29 I had a similar experience outside of BsAs. I actually witnessed an Argentine curl his lips at a group of his fellow countrymen. I asked why and he said, “Porteños, we hate them”. Apparently because they act superior, loud and rude.
Jul 15th, 2014 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0One time I stayed at an estancia near Cordoba and met so many lovely people. I returned a couple of years later with a porteños friend - a lovely lady - and the reception we received was frosty everywhere we went. It was bizarre and when I asked her why she said, “It is because I am from Buenos Aires”. I have since returned with relatives and had a great welcome again.
That said, I think there is an element of resentment towards people that live in the capital in many countries.
Mrs. ElaineB, pgerman, St. John : Haven´t you entertained any suspicion about more solid grounds for the “dislike” we breed in fellow Latin-American countries..?. Then, a few numbers: Latin America´s population is over 500 million. Argentina, only 40. There are 16 L.A. Nobel Prize Winners, and 5 of them Argentines (31%). Only five out of those 16 on Sciences: 1 mexican, 1 venezuelan, and 3 argentines (60% of these last). So the Swedish Academy has awarded Argentine scientists more Prizes on Sciences than those granted to the whole rest of the countries of the region. Eloquent, isn´t it so..?
Jul 15th, 2014 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many Nobels does Germany have more than Argentina has??...Why are the Brazilians, Chileans, Colombians, Peruvians all siding with Germany then??.
Jul 15th, 2014 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is exactly what I was talking about in #10... Your comments not only that they dont make any sence at all, but its also portraits the arrogance that Argentines display abroad which is unfounded it is if you are still living in the 1960s when Argentina was more economically, socially, technologically and scientifically advanced than the rest of Latam. The problem is that you still think and look down upon Latam countries as if we havent been completely overtaken in many fields. Your head has being stuck 50 years in the sand.
To Cabezadura2 (¡bien dura!) . To answer your second question: Because neither Brazilians, Chileans,Colombians,Peruvians... (NOR ARGENTINES, OF COURSE!) will ever dream in comparing themselves with Germans in scientific ingenuity. Germans have always been on a higher plane with respect to the LATAM one. I suggest that, on this particular field, they may ENVY us because, were it not the case , they would LAUGH at us..!. But we TEASE them. Simple as that. I´m afraid you have chosen too well your nickname..!
Jul 15th, 2014 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fud @37,
Jul 15th, 2014 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ye sound incredibly conceited - Are you?
I am not unduly worried, my friend, because if I lack SCOTLAND´s support, DENMARK´s is assured : “ I COULD BE BOUNDED IN A NUTSHELL, AND COUNT MYSELF A KING OF INFINITE SPACE”.
Jul 15th, 2014 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 037
Jul 15th, 2014 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now seriously.... Do you really think they envy us 5 Nobel prizes??
http://www.lorenzoservidor.com.ar/person01/chistes/argent.htm
Cabeza Dura2: Relativity and Scarcity are here the KEY words. Yes, they MAY envy 3 Nobel in Sciences, if they lack them (disregarding the mexican and the venezuelan). Yes, if they come from a single country that encompasses only 8% of the total population. Yes, if besides they are aware that Argentina is also the sole exporter in the zone of nuclear reactors to both developing and developed nations. (OPAL reactor made for Australia). But these are only secondary reasons, because are only trifles for the developed World. My MAIN reason I have already told you: If not for envy, they would heartily LAUGH at our first-quality bombastic nature, and take it good-humorously, irksome as it may appear.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 032 Vestige
Jul 16th, 2014 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0just north of Watford, England...
That's weird. Speaking with Brazilian friends and colleagues before the game I could not find one that was supporting Germany. They all said that they wanted a South American country to win. Still I am not a soccer expert like the propagandists at Mercopress are!
Jul 16th, 2014 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43
Jul 17th, 2014 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0hmm... You are not american, like you previously said, nor British like your fake grandmother!
Are you now Brazilian?
Have you forgotton about her?
Come on 'Britishbomber', what about granny?
only a few days to go!
41 Argenfellow
Jul 17th, 2014 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Yes, if besides they are aware that Argentina is also the sole exporter in the zone of nuclear reactors to both developing and developed nations. (OPAL reactor made for Australia).“
OH DEAR! Now you have picked on a subject close to my heart: the idiocy of the ”argie nuclear experts”, such an oxymoron that.
Try researching the facts about the OPAL system in Oz:
the cracks in the pool;
the fuel carriers that had a design flaw that even a second year student in mechanical engineering would be embarrased about;
the broken promises to the customer (less, I know as an argie you havn't a clue what they are);
No, you will have to do MUCH better than that.
But I did like the description: I COULD BE BOUNDED IN A NUTSHELL, AND COUNT MYSELF A KING OF INFINITE SPACE.
That, of course, would be the empty space between your ears.
45 Chris R : I´m afraid the empty space between YOUR ears, my unlettered friend, if you were unable to recognize Hamlet´s words. By the way, was it not a British corporation´s offer, as well as it was SIEMENS´one, defeated by Argentine´s INVAP in the OPAL bid...?
Jul 17th, 2014 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 46 Argenfellow
Jul 17th, 2014 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, I am not your friend, if anything as you seem to have the usual puffed up beyond all recognition Peronista personas, I am your enemy.
Secondly, I live in Uruguay and detest what TMBOA is doing to my new country with her manic depressive character and overbearing opinion of herself which leads to Uruguay (population 3,286,314) being bullied by 40M idiots, utter cowards.
Thirdly, I don’t care what comics you read or how you think it superior to others to parade what passes as whit for you on here: I happen to have studied Shakespeare and was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your usage of the prose, an error of generosity that I will not repeat.
Fourthly, I am a retired British Chartered Electrical Mechanical Engineer of international experience at the highest levels of management: not some oik from BsAs Uni. Another bribe in place to list it third in SA? That really IS funny. Since retiring I am undertaking a degree in Astro-Physics with M.I.T. (if your feeble brain has any idea as to what that is).
FINALLY. You lack of appreciation of science has led you to an unjustified pride in what your despicable country TELLS you it can do whilst the reality is lamentable at all levels which is why you don’t get it about the Oz reactor, do you? Ask the Oz nuclear power people if they will EVER risk their lives and the reputation of the country by having anything to do with INVAP, but wear a motorcycle helmet whilst you do it.
Congratulations in advance, Chris R. Your rabid outbursts ear-mark you for a post-grade on Supernovas.
Jul 18th, 2014 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@48
Jul 18th, 2014 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just another nostril!
I am Brazilian and even after Germany defeated Brazil by 7 goals, even if their supporters had stabbed me after the match, I would still have supported them in their match against Argentina.
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentineans fans came to Brazil, urinated in the streets on purpose, dumped their trash on purpose, targeted Brazilian fans on purpose in order to mug their tickets, burned the Brazilian flag on Brazilian soil since the very first day of the competition.
Not only the fans did these things, but an Argentinean TV CHANNEL was mocking Neymar (the main brazilian footballer) when he broke his back : http://veja.abril.com.br/noticia/esporte/programa-de-televisao-argentina-ironiza-lesao-de-neymar
How can anyone let alone a national TV Channel mock someone for breaking his back? Argentina is the modern day Nazi Germany, not so modern though because even in those days Nazi Germany was way more modern than Argentina to be honest, but you get my point.
That's why Brazilians, alongside other Latin Americans don't like Argentineans.
We would gladly support the English in the Falkland Islands. Even if our government let itself be bullied by the Argentinean government into stopping ships from docking in Brazil so that the Islanders either accept Argentinean dominance or die from starvation because hey that's a what democratic nation does, isn't it? Accept our control or die! Just like North Korea is doing.
We Brazilians feel, the British or Falkland islanders are better neighbours than Argentina will ever be.
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