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Malvinas: Argentine senator proposes shared sovereignty with Latam for 30 years
An Argentine Senator has stated that the solution to the Falklands/Malvinas dispute is a period of shared sovereignty, with Latin American support and guarantees, before the Islands are finally handed over to Argentina. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHe got that correct, Argieland is never going to get the Falkland Islands. Furthermore you cant recover something you never had. They are beyond belief. Why concentrate on a lost cause when economic disaster is just couple of weeks away?
Jul 16th, 2014 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only solution available to you, my dear Argentinian government retards, is to leave the islanders to make their own decisions. Concentrate on your own messed up country, you can't even run that properly.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“we’re not going to get the Malvinas back with an annual claim presentation”. That statement is five words too long mate.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually 6 words too long- as #1. already pointed out, you can't get something 'back' if you never had it in the first place.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, don't you listen to your own Foreign Secretary?
Jul 16th, 2014 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are getting them in 23 years time anyway.
Unless of course he's talking his usual rubbish and you know something he does not, your never getting them.
Hmm, yeah, he does realise that the British government will support the position of the Falkland Island government, which (I'm guessing here) for the prospect of thirty years of mitigated disaster (i.e. joint sovereignty) followed by permanent unmitigated disaster (i.e. Argentine sovereignty) without their consent, would finish with one of the other of these expressions:
Jul 16th, 2014 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“... off”
or
“... where the sun don't shine”
They are utterly deluded, what hope does that country have with people like this running the place. They are very sad.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0It just never ever ceases to amaze me- the farty old fantasy world that millions of Argentines live in!- They are full of their own BS and drunk on the fumes of it that they apparently actually believe everything they say to each other!
Jul 16th, 2014 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could someone ask this old fart-“How is the whole of Latam going to get hold of us anyway?”
Shared sovereignty for 10 years then Argentina and British sponsorship of total independence of the FI. Any solution should be headed to independence.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0We in the United States are still trying to figure out what to do with Puerto Rico.
Plonker.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arrechea says Arg. is not going to get the Falklands with its annual appeal to the UN Decolonisation Committee, translation.... the UN Decolonisation Committee is bored with the perennial implausible bullshit from Arg.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Man - is this fella behind the times !! :-)
Jul 16th, 2014 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@9
Jul 16th, 2014 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is a much simpler solution, how about allowing the people who live there to decide. The UK does not have any difficulty with what to do with the Falkland Islands, as far as we are concerned the matter is settled by referendum and the UN charter on self determination.
Hong Kong wasn't a solution that the UK wanted, but it would be impossible to defend Hong Kong without nuclear weapons and the best was done fro the people of Hong Kong. The UK is 64 million, China is 1365 million... however the people of Hong Kong want to return to the UK, and this is not possible for the moment as China is determined to colonize it, change its language and customs and destroy their culture. While we can we should defend the Falklands so that our people don't have to suffer and so that they can keep their British way of life for ever.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Many brave Hong Kongers try hard to be able to return to British Rule and I personally feel as if I had let them down.
@15
Jul 16th, 2014 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I feel we did as much as we could for Hong Kong, my understanding is that we never owned Hong Kong, it was a lease agreement. Besides there are big differences, Hong Kong was inhabited when we colonised it by indigenous Chinese, the Falkland Islands had no indigenous population, they were uninhibited and the Spanish were busy murdering the indigenous on the mainland and colonising there.
We have nothing to hand back to anyone in the South Atlantic, Argentina wants them purely due to proximity.
#9 I in the USA have not seen any debates, conversations or bills introduced the the Senate or House. How do you figure the “we in the United States” are trying to figure out what to do with PR? The only ones trying to figure out what to do with PR is PR themselves.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would you care to elaborate on that statement or at least direct me to any national discussion on that matter?
Who is this clown? He's a “senator”? Don't argies check for mental delusion, illness, incapacity before “electing” something? The Falkland Islands are British. Indeed, having been discovered in 1690, they are primarily English. There's a thought for scotchland. Forget it. English. English. English. Being English and properly “progressive” we may need to look into the position of any scotch serfs.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Shared sovereignty”. The sovereignty of the Falkland Islands is already “shared”. It's shared between the United Kingdom and the Falkland Islands. In time, its sovereignty will be the Falkland Islands. Because the United Kingdom will always be a friend. Willing to bomb, missile and destroy anyone who tries to impose something else. How I'd love to see the whole of Buenos Aires (city or province) explode in a nuclear fireball. 16 million corpses? Fertiliser. Any responsible, intelligent Argentine should live somewhere else. A pelagic “community” rocking around on the waves.
Pehaps this argie “senator” should see a psychiatrist. Delusional turd.
Haha haha!
Jul 16th, 2014 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Propose away, propose away!
I think these people just bleat on to make themselves look busy and stay in a job.
Idiota, all puffed up and full of his own importance. At least he has realised that the old tactic isn't working. Will he ever realise his dreams simply ain't gonna happen?
Completely deluded, but amusing to watch as both the UK and the Falkland Islanders are completely committed to NEVER capitulating to the Argentine loons.
Counter Proposal:
Jul 16th, 2014 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK shares Argentina´s sovereignty with the FI for 100 years; then we see if we are already able to run a country by our own without screwing it to present levels. If not, another 50 years of foreign management and then we see.
Sovereignty for countries is like being a competent adult for people: if you can´t make proper decisions, you must face it and ask for help.
When will Argentina realize it needs help. Urgently.
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@19
Jul 16th, 2014 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I totally agree. Argentina should be asking for help. Not seeking a form of back door colonisation.
Not to worry tho, Argentina will be in default next month, shit-stirring over the Falklands is not going to help matters.
“Senator Salvador Cabrera Arrechea from the province of Misiones” which - together with the provinces Chaco and Formosa - was taken by force from Paraguay in 1870, is not suggesting shared sovereignity over Misiones until Paraguay finally recovers it's territory - why not?
Jul 16th, 2014 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shared sovereignity is in fact a good idea: Argentina and the United Kingdom share sovereignity over the Falkland Islands and Argentina for 30 years, after which period the Argentines are moved to the Falklands and the Falkland Islanders get an empty Argentina as their property.
Apart from “Livingthenightmare” @ 9, where are the rest of the idiotic argies to support this moron in his meglomania?
Jul 16th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too much to hope they are learning the truth about the Falklands at last I suppose?
How can Argentina share something, it has publicly stated [ they already own ]
Jul 16th, 2014 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how about being fair here,
Argentina takes half of the Falkland's,
and the Falkland's take half of Argentina,
after all, according to CFK if the Falkland's belong to Argentina, then Argentina thus belongs to the Falkland's,
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
something tells me it will not be accepted the other way around,
so leave things as they are,....
I suspect quite a few Argentines would welcome some form of British Administration to get the country out of the mess it's in.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This chap's proposed 'solution' over the Falklands is a perfect example of Argentina's backward mindset. It isn't about coming up with a solution with the UK. It is about the islanders and their right to decide. We are the holders of our destiny and not the UK. Until Argentina realises and understands this, they will continue to act and look foolish.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24. I think not. I suspect that they would believe that the UK would destroy argieland.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British government, bearing in mind its international “image”, would look to a progressive, democratic society based on proper and balanced rights. On the other hand, the British people would look to rip out argie throats, chop off genitalia, remove fingers, hands, arms, toes, feet, legs, spill guts over bellies and bury or burn what remains. And not bother whether it's “dead”. Tossing “babies” on to bayonets is a lot of fun. Although bayonets are quite short. The normal length is about 17 inches. Far better to have steel stakes where 30 inches can go through. And jump on everything. “British Administration”? Do the right thing. What justifies argieland's existence? The spanish invasion? The conquest? The occupation? The genocide? Then the argie genocide? Then the continuing argie genocide? Just “remove” so-called “argies”. Return the land to the proper owners. The Amerindians. And let them decide if they are prepared to let any Europeans live there.
Shared sovereignty. I know Argentina has been in a mess continuously since the Peron's but I don't think that the Falkland Island Government would want to take responsibility for joint Falkland/Argentina sovereignty. The inflation and the corruption would be too much for them to take on.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's got a point, but 300 years is so much more realistic...by that time humanity will have buggered up the planet totally, so the Argies can have what they want!
Jul 16th, 2014 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 26
Jul 16th, 2014 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure if serious, joking ... or what.
@26 Thanks for the well-balanced response! lol!
Jul 16th, 2014 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29, he speaks for himself, as he is entitled too, but not for the UK in general. I for one certainly don't hate Argentina, just their Whacky Gov. Is he joking or serious, I'm never really sure...
Recently, on another thread, someone was moaning about the lack of jokes/laughs coming out of Argie Gov.
Well, we have just had a few absolute belters;
1) the oh so predictable statement, twisted and read out by Argentina, of Russian support for talks... or whatever.
2) this clown Senator Salvador Cabrera Arrechea from the province of Misiones with his ludicrous, straight to the bin, proposal.
3) Cristina swanning around acting like she is already a member of BRICS and going all misty-eyed over the thought of a new bank and getting her grasping paws on all that lovely lolly.
Which of course, so ain't gonna happen!
Glad they're back on form! Cheers guys!!!
Thanks @ 30 :)
Jul 16th, 2014 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31
Jul 16th, 2014 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just life in Internet-landia...
:)
Good to have a broad opinion-base, we all have our viewpoints, some just a little more extreme than others, ahem!
What arrogant nonsense! He does not mention the people of the Falklands/Malvinias at all. What does he propose for them?
Jul 16th, 2014 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More hot air from an Argentine minor politician.
This guy to name Hong Kong as a solution is a mistake, Hong Kong is not happy with the two systems one State and even the members of the bar have voiced their concern. I now have two links if anyone wishes to help Hong Kong please sign the petitions and check out the protest march:
Jul 16th, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hong Kong state of affairs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Orqpbtl0rww
Hong Kong Petition 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Orqpbtl0rww
Hong Kong Petition 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Orqpbtl0rww
Hong Kong March:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Orqpbtl0rww
Just another ploy to make Argentina's government about as popular with democracy as a Nazi at a Bar Mitzvah.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another nobody trying to garner votes by making useless statements about never-never land.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also this idea of 'sharing' won't go down well with the Argentine public, they've been promised 100% of everything - or rather 100% of nothing, because nothing is all they have, and nothing is all they will receive.
Yup 100% of nothing. We could post it to the them.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cool!
Now then...
What is the postcode for the Malvinas? Is it in East or West Narnia?
Is it one with the unicorns or the one with the elves?
never could remember that one... I expect this guy knows. ..
30 years of shared sovereignty of Patagonia with the welsh, followed by full hand-over with Lembit Opik as president.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's he been smoking?
Jul 16th, 2014 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26
Jul 16th, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, a little dark even for your normal postings. You do have a point, though. Argentina is a former colony, complete with genocide, ethnic cleansing, and all the other “Colonial Injustice” that the Argie politicians are so fond of invoking with respect to the Islands. On the other hand, the Islands had no native population that was displaced, and never belonged to Argentina, so I don't know that they can even call it a “colony” In any sense.
@30
Don't forget the “official” inflation numbers that the Whacky leadership published this week. There is much humor in that reading (unless you happen to live in Argentina of course)...
“Argentina must propose a shared sovereignty for 30 years before finally recovering the Malvinas Islands”.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slight problem, the inhabitants won't agree to this so back to square one-someone could invent a game of snakes and ladders for this.
”at a special forum on the Malvinas cause: sovereignty and identity“
Comprehending identity is another problem as the Argentines cannot compute that the Islanders are Islanders.
Their idea is either that the Islanders are Argentinian or that they spend 5 days a week in the UK, jetting down to the Falklands at weekends, and flying back on Sunday night.
The forum on identity needs to be for a duration of a least a year so the sunlight appears through the clouds.
”Cabral Arrechea recalled that the UK returned Hong Kong to Beijing following an accorded period of time”
But he was unable to recall the UN charter, due to selective dementia.
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Jul 16th, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt he knows....but I know...there are no elves in Narnia, but Peter rides a Unicorn...
mind you, there is... a Lion, a Witch and a.....
Maybe the UK should supply the Falklanders with nuclear technology, and then let Latam have a go at a dictatorship administration.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A robust insurrection by Falklanders will go a lot further to counter Arg propaganda in the SA media. Than the current attempts.
Dirty bomb in Rio anyone?
Chuckle chuckle
@42
Jul 16th, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a long time since I read those books, it's not ALL make believe is it?
Oh, say it ain't so, Huck!
God knows what will happen when the Argies find out the truth about theses mythical Malvinas. It will be like telling a five-year old the truth about Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy....
'Looking for new alliances - The President will participate in the summit between the Brics and Unasur countries. Support for negotiating with vulture funds and is expected Malvinas. Argentina aims to join the group at some point pop...'
Jul 16th, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/economia/2-250866-2014-07-16.html
'Closs asked not cease diplomatic claim for Malvinas - The governor attended the opening of the first forum on the Malvinas cause, which was held at the Convention Center Posadas...'
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/economia/2-250866-2014-07-16.html
'The cause Malvinas caught the interest of young people in Posadas Forum - Deputy Carla Pretto said the youth participation in the forum “The Malvinas cause: Sovereignty and Identity” held at the Convention Center. It felt important for the sector to follow the issue ”and may be aware of the wealth from natural there making a referral to a growth industry with that and understand all Latinos like brothers...'
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/economia/2-250866-2014-07-16.html
'‘Building a BRICS Wall’: Stopping the Western Juggernaut ~ ...'Don’t forget: since 1982 the UK and US have a nuclear base on the usurped Falkland Malvinas Islands...'
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/economia/2-250866-2014-07-16.html
'How Spain Has Managed to Maintain its Sovereignty over Ceuta and Melilla - Since the independence of Morocco, Moroccan territorial claims on Ceuta and Melilla have often been at the center of the issues that have negatively impacted relations between Spain and Morocco. Perhaps this question would not have had the same negative impact on these relationships if Moroccan leaders had been more determined in the early sixties, during the height of decolonization, to resort to the United Nations and prompt this international organization to consider these two enclaves as colonies that needed to be emancipated from any foreign presence...'
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@30. Then, since you don't seem to have a brain, let me explain. Despite all the FACTS and all the EVIDENCE, not to mention INTERNATIONAL LAW, the cretinous, shit-filled, fart-arses of argieland persist in their claims to the Falkland Islands. The “cuntry” is filled with jerking tosspots with no intelligence. Even if you had the brain to follow the history, are you so stupid that you can't understand the legal implications of the Falklands Victory?
Jul 16th, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you so brainless that you don't understand propaganda? Anything argie (as opposed to argentine) is a lie aimed at undermining the truth. Smash the lies! The Islands are British. When they are ready they will be independent. And, if they are attacked by anyone, WE in Britain will destroy the attackers. Don't you have any balls? Did we slap the nazis and tell them not to be naughty boys? There is no real difference between argies and nazis. Grow up!
@45
Jul 16th, 2014 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I ran out of room! here's the link for anyone interested...
'How Spain Has Managed to Maintain its Sovereignty over Ceuta and Melilla'
http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2014/07/134683/how-spain-has-managed-to-maintain-its-sovereignty-over-ceuta-and-melilla-2/
@46
Jul 16th, 2014 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you quite sure that diatribe was meant for me? Have you been on the sauce again old chap?
Just some housekeeping first...
“Then, since you don't seem to have a brain, let me explain.”
Oh go on then, I'll humour you, :)
“Even if you had the brain to follow the history, are you so stupid that you can't understand the legal implications of the Falklands Victory?”
Umm... yup, as far as I am aware that portion of my central nervous system is still functioning and I am fully cosignant with any legal implications of the Falklands Victory. (and celebrate it!)
Please do show me where you think I have misinterpreted it.
“Don't you have any balls? ”
What is between my legs is really no concern of yours, glad you are SO interested tho ;-) !
Show me one post I have written in support of the Argentine attitude over the Falklands.
Just because I don't think it necessary to 'nuke' a whole country and/or impale babies on bayonets does not mean I am 'pro'-Kirchner.
Argentina is of no threat what-so-ever to either the Falkland Islands or the UK. I just prefer to laugh at/criticise their stoopid Gov. and look forward to its downfall.
I agree they should be closely monitored and rebuttals to their propaganda are necessary.
Are you quite sure the above was intended for me? seems quite odd if it was....
The world is changing, and for the worse it seems,
Jul 16th, 2014 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps we are yet to see another world war, if some of these wannabie dictators get their way,
yes my friends the world may well unexpectedly and violently change in the next couple of years,
and certain countries may well regret their actions today,
just a thought.
We will not see another World War in this generation or the next. If the recent Ukraine/Crimea incident didn't prove that, nothing will.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With conventional weapons the NATO alliance massively outguns everyone and anyone. The technology gap is significant as is the firepower.
With nuclear deterrents, nobody is going to try and make significant territorial gains either...and there is no reason why they should, extra land doesn't mean more money or more power...only retarded Argies think it does. All the richest per capita countries Singapore, Hong Kong, Luxembourg, Qatar are tiny.
What there is, is a removing of sympathy. It is 70 years since the end of WWII and the onus doesn't fall to any “world bank” or any “united nations” to keep bailing out the feckless, corrupt or stupid.
Nations must be allowed to “fail” economically. The toll maybe high, but it replaces war.
Argentina must be allowed to crumble, only when it is turning on itself, in the gutter, after a couple of decades of poverty and hell, might it shake the evil and corrupt shackles of Peronism for good.
Here's hoping.
@45,
Jul 16th, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, some interesting links.
The 'globalresearch BRICS wall' one seems a tad hysterical, not really proper journalism. Good to know what these people are thinking tho.
@49
I'm not so pessimistic, although I can't see much positive in the Middle East even in the long-term. I think Europe will stay peaceful in the main for a long time. China doesn't want a war with anyone in the short and medium term. Maybe in 10-20 years it will get more belligerent in its local sphere.
USA just wants business as usual.
LatAm - a few idiots will keep banging on about Boilvarian Revolutions etc and still try to fight the Cold War like it is the 70s, the rest just want to get on and develop their countries...
All just my opinion tho...
I think a World War is unlikely as the global corporations are so powerful they won't allow it. Just lots of small wars as those are good for business.
Ach, now you are making me depressed!
@45
Jul 16th, 2014 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow! Whoever wrote that global research article is a right knobhead!
He's for paranoia down to a fine art.
Just for amusement can we not make a counter claim for Patagonia? Get some Welsh language nutter to make a statement advising the only answer is joint sovereignty for 30 years before administration of Patagonia has to return to Cardiff. Refer the case to the C24 and start some sort of Internet campaign demanding that road signs in Patagonia are written in both Spanish and Welsh. I know its got no chance legally but it would be really funny and it would drive the pompous Argies nuts!
Jul 16th, 2014 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53
Jul 16th, 2014 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where do I sign up?
lol!
we are not at our best as we tempt britain a shared sovereignty. at least the next 20 years, not Argentina may advance the cause, nor britain may declare the independence of the islands, basically because I'm not sure if he wants to (uk) and also due to pressure from Russia and Chinese in addition to the countries of Latin America will not accept a new country. so everything will remain the same, nothing will change. probably in 30 years there may be a possible agreement sovereignty, but I wonder at what price ..? The support of Russia and China to Argentina for the Falkland is not free, and probably united states keep their neutral status to force britain agreement for the same reason: “vaca muerta”.
Jul 16th, 2014 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentina paid a high price to reach an agreement by the islands and that price is draining our natural resources. Prefer to follow the situation as this or think another option would be q give the Islanders a few million to leave the islands, and not end up being a dry country without resourses.
sorry my english is poor.
@ 55 marcio
Jul 16th, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You miss the point that the Falklanders are the people entitled to the islands, not some cesspit inhabited by brain washed morons.
Also, the islanders are far wealthier per capita than you poor sods in The Dark Country. Don't forget the oil revenues that will be arriving in the next few years: all of which will belong to the islanders.
Try reading the truth about your imbecilic “claims” regarding the Falklands (there are NO Malvinas) and the get real.
@55
Jul 16th, 2014 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't worry about your English being poor.
Just understand that no-one will be forcing the UK to 'give up' the Falkland Islands, (it really isn't a global issue, it is only important in Argentina, no-one else, globally, really cares), and that the Falkland Islanders don't need your money.
They have British protection, future oil-wealth and are quite happy as they are.
Sad that Argentina spends so much money on a lost cause.
@ 46
Jul 16th, 2014 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What´s your problem with Ilsen? he´s quite smart in his remarks and posts. Calm down buddy.
In the remote case that was addressed to me, you´re beating around the wrong bush. In no way do I endorse the Arg claim.
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Jul 16th, 2014 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ilsen? he´s quite smart in his remarks and posts.”.....?
WTF...? you're kidding....
His posts and remarks leave the impression of an army of pompous phrases moving over the landscape in search of an idea.....
Smart!!!...I heard he took a blood test.... and failed...
@58
Jul 16th, 2014 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you SebaSvtz.
I think Conq just went off crazy-style and got confused. Or he meant to post it on a different thread?
wasn't addressed to you, he put '@30' which was my post, where I said he was entitled to his opinion!
lol!
I'm still not keen on putting bayonets into babies because of one country's stupid words though!
:)
@55 marcio
Jul 16th, 2014 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trying to buy off all of the Islanders is a morally better option than Argentina's current method, but what if even one islander refuses to leave their homeland?
The Falklands is not Argentina just as the Faroes are not Scotland or Cuba is not the USA.
@59
Jul 16th, 2014 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ooh you are such a sweetie! I didn't think you cared! lol!
Nice phrasing of the insult, thanks for the effort!
As I recall;
“President Warren Harding, who looked like a president, but probably never should have become president, and could be challenging to listen to when he delivered speeches.
William McAdoo, President Wilson's Secretary of the Treasury and his son-in-law, described Harding's speeches thus:
”His speeches left the impression of an army of pompous phrases moving over the landscape in search of an idea; sometimes these meandering words would actually capture a straggling thought and bear it triumphantly as a prisoner in their midst, until it died of servitude and overwork.”
Well Done! (though did you think I'd accept as your own work? ha!)
So here is another, to paraphrase dear old Oscar, “it is better to be insulted than ignored...”
Or rather, more accurately ”“There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.”
― Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray
In which case, considering your recent attention to myself, I can only presume Mrs Voice is consorting with her 'gentleman friend“?
Equally.
”Smart!!!...I heard he took a blood test.... and failed...”
1) Got any proof?
2) Got any science to prove that intelligence/education can be measured by a blood test?
Back of the class!
PS: I am only pompous when dealing with backstairs staff, such as your delightful self. Trot on!
@16 Puerto Rico is a U.S. Territory. We rightfully stole it from Spain. Now, it's not an independent country and it's not a State of the Union. Puerto Ricans are United States citizens but they can't vote unless they move to the mainland. They are very content with the status quo simply be cause they are part of the U.S without being part of the U.S This means they DONT pay Federal taxes.
Jul 17th, 2014 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Same with the FI. They are comfortable with the Status Quo because they are living off the UK. Yea I would choose to be British also in those terms.
How much is it costing the UK to support 2,000 hillbillies on a baron island?
@63
Jul 17th, 2014 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I appreciate the sentiment, (as a Brit), and I am sure the Falkland Islanders do also. Not sure about the 'hillbillies' comment though!
However, you can't 'rightfully steal'. That is bullshit. Makes no sense whatsoever.
As for Cost? The Islands are self-sufficient except for Defence, which is only necessary because of the belligerent, untrustworthy nature of the Argentine Gov.
However, going by your previous posts
a) you already know this and are just a goady git
b) I very much doubt you are 'estado-unidense' as you claim
ciao!
63- as ilsen pointout are selfsufficient except for defence- approx. 100m a year but most of that would not be saved if forces not here as they would just be in UK or somewhere, only annual cost is their transport and shipping etc.
Jul 17th, 2014 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Part of that can be offset against an invaluable training area for jointforce exercises with live ammunition and lots of space. AS Br forces withdraw from Afghan likely there will be more down here in short-term rotation making use of the training facilities.
Add to that 90% of Islands imports come from UK= UK exports value to UK economy. Majority of specialist technical and professional posts we cannot fill locally are then recruited from UK- more money from Falklands into UK economy.
So on balance we may actually cost the UK ZERO even including defence.
Oh and there are 3000 of us not 2000.
@65
Jul 17th, 2014 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for the support and relevant info, but if you look at his other posts he is just a 'wind-up type' troll. So don't waste your energy combating him.
Just so you know, any Argie 'agression' that the UK Press bothers to register is greeted with massive vitriol (against) and support (for the FI ) in the UK.
We laugh at this rubbish.
And support you 100 %. Everyone knows that it would be political suicide for a UK Prime Minister to desert the FI.
we also appreciate what you contribute!
Somebody really should contact Conk's caregivers so they can contact his doctor about urgent changes in meds prescriptions.
Jul 17th, 2014 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@67
Jul 17th, 2014 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed . I taken it you read the @46?
I don't mind a row now and again, (as you know may have seen..:).
But really, uncalled for I thought! And bizarre!
Still no harm done. .'tis only t'interweb... No sleep lost!
:)
@53 Coginito “and start some sort of Internet campaign demanding that road signs in Patagonia are written in both Spanish and Welsh”
Jul 17th, 2014 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0And when they're putting them up make sure that there is no apparent consistency about which language is on top of the sign (or have it vary depending on the local first language / political party in office / wind direction).
Having two levels of gibberish: Argentine Welsh and Argentine Spanish, on road signs would be a first, even for TMBOA.
Jul 17th, 2014 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't really matter because it seems the argies NEVER read roadsigns, certainly not the speed limit signs.
@14
Jul 17th, 2014 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with Hong Kong wasn't defense, it was simply that the British part could not effectively survive without the New Territories which were only leased on a 99 year term.
'Emerging Market: Argentina in a historic summit -
Jul 17th, 2014 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The World Cup Brazil overshadowed the impact of the Brics agreement to create a development bank, a fund of international reserves will no longer be linked to the U.S. or some European capital. Great news for the country amid the fight with vulture funds...
http://www.diarioz.com.ar/#/nota/paises-emergentes-argentina-en-una-cumbre-historica-34893/
'The metaphor of a political - Never before during this government, international relations and Argentine career diplomats have been so degraded and despised. The avatars that have had these years foreign service of the nation do not support any comparison: to have fallen even lower than the gross mismanagement of the last military government levels...'
http://www.diarioz.com.ar/#/nota/paises-emergentes-argentina-en-una-cumbre-historica-34893/
'January 1833: British seized the Malvinas - By Lucas Potenze -
We said in the previous article that the colony had risen as good omens Malvinas Luis Vernet had been virtually destroyed by the attack of the U.S. ship Lexington, in retaliation for Argentine commander's decision to enforce fisheries laws of the province of Buenos Aires, which depended on the islands.
U.S. But while doing the dirty work with his usual subtlety, a far more dangerous power took the opportunity to give the . blow over the islands
it Let's do some memory: In 1740, Lord George Anson, who had traveled the South Atlantic on their journey ring the globe during the “War of Jenkins's Ear”, warned the Amirantazgo on whether to take the Falkland Islands as a strategic point for navigation to the Far East...
http://www.diarioz.com.ar/#/nota/paises-emergentes-argentina-en-una-cumbre-historica-34893/
Either way, at the end of the day, it is for the islanders to choose,
Jul 17th, 2014 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they have,, and that's the end of it.
I have just read
Jul 17th, 2014 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.eldiariodelfindelmundo.com/noticias/leer/54966/enero-de-1833-los-ingleses-se-apoderan-de-malvinas.html
The utterly false representation of what actually happened is risible. More fairy tales¡
The day the Argentine Foreign officer and Head of state arrive at the International Court of Justice with this issue, Falklanders will at last be able to take them seriously, until then, they can carry on with their roulette games in Mar Del Plata, Moscow or Las Vegas casinos and Falkland citizens and the world will continue to be well entertained......
Jul 17th, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's a Muppet !
@63Livingthe dream
Jul 17th, 2014 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“How much is it costing the UK to support 2,000 hillbillies on a baron island?”
What's your definition of barren (baron)?
Is barren, the fact that vegetables grow outside? Barren because stands of Tussac grass grows over 6 ft high?
The Falkland Islands are supported by service personnel that would cost the same amount of money if they were posted else where.
UK military equipment is not bought specifically for the Falklands.
The FIDF buy all their weapons and kit (it is not donated by the UK)-funded by FIG as is their health service, government air service, their education service, their public works department, their power station, their water plant etc etc etc etc.
So unlike Argentina the Falkland Islanders do not sponge off anyone.
As for the rest of the economy the Islands have consistently had a surplus of money since the 1980s, so aid from UK is not needed.
Argentina receives more money from the UK government than the Falklands.
@74
Jul 17th, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What absolute rubbish !!!!
Pete @ 76
Jul 17th, 2014 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina receives more money from the UK government than the Falklands.”
I wonder if you could please provide me with the actual figures for British expenditure in the Falklands and Argentina, with the respective sources? This would come in handy for an ongoing argument I've been having with an anti-Falklands Brit expat living in Punta del Este. She's married to an Argentine who I suppose provides with her info, unless she just makes it up. Either way, she can never quote any written source.
As she says she doesn't want her tax money paid to the UK to go to Falklands defense, I'd also like to know if British expats who have been living abroad for years actually do pay British tax? Can anyone help?
78
Jul 17th, 2014 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You only pay Income Tax if your taxable income - including your private pension and State Pension - is more than your tax-free allowances (the amount of income you're allowed before you pay tax).
....or any investments you have in the UK....may have property etc...this is regardless of where you live...
@ 78 ynsere
Jul 17th, 2014 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect she has pension(s) from the UK or some other income that has to be declared to HMRC (the tax collectors) by the entity paying it. That is the only way the HMRC would know about it if she has been away for years and especially if they are legally married.
She must have an income above the personal tax allowance to be paying tax, unless the sources of her income do not know about each other and HMRC have her down as two people which sometimes happens when ex-pats marry a foreigner abroad.
It may also be she pays tax because she has not stated under what basis she wants to be taxed. If she has indicated it will be on an arising basis (income as it arises and may not be known to HMRC, even though she SHOULD declare it) and she will be charged tax without the benefit of standard tax relief. If the income is sporadic this may be a better option for her.
Other untaxed income from sources outside the UK SHOULD also be declared (even if she is married to an argie: ha, ha, ha).
She should also pay tax on any income in Uruguay to Uruguay.
It can be much more complex than this given her actual income and where it comes from but that would be on a case by case basis.
Sorry if it's as clear as mud.
“Slight problem, the inhabitants won't agree to this so back to square one-someone could invent a game of snakes and ladders for this.”
Jul 18th, 2014 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0and who cares for those squatters?
the british govt have demonstrated several times they give a shite for the rights of the chagossians, who are the legal owners, not squatters like the kelpers, by the way.
there is no country, except little britain, that supports the “rights” of a bunch of squatters.
and that means they have not the military support of the u.s.a.
and little britain without the support of the u.s.a. is less than nothing.
“The solution to the Falklands/Malvinas dispute is a period of shared with Latin American support and guarantees, before the Islands are finally handed over to Argentina”.
Jul 18th, 2014 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0What dispute? It takes two to dispute and the UK isn't disputing! The Falklands are ours.
@81
Jul 18th, 2014 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah the old argument that the UK did wrong by Chagossians so they should do wrong by the Falklands, the two wrongs make a right argument.
“there is no country, except little britain, that supports the “rights” of a bunch of squatters.
and that means they have not the military support of the u.s.a.
and little britain without the support of the u.s.a. is less than nothing.”
And yet you don't have the capability to take it back, does that make Argentina less than less than nothing?
@81 “there is no country, except little britain, that supports the “rights” of a bunch of squatters.”
Jul 18th, 2014 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, but we do *not* support the rights of a bunch of squatters. That's what you refuse to understand.
The recovery of the Falklands in 1833 was the *removal* of squatters placed there by Argentina in an attempt to usurp sovereingty from the rightful holders, the British.
The British forces removed the illegal garrisons and offered the civilian population the opportunity to stay. Only a few *willingly* left.
The current population is descended from the civilians who were invited to stay by the rightful holders of sovereingty, and those welcomed there by the same civilians.
That makes them the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands. Not “squatters”. Every time you call them that, you're lying.
We can't have a reasonable discussion on the Falklands unless your side agrees to stop lying.
#81
Jul 18th, 2014 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it were true, which is isn't, where would that put your lot on the totem pole.....about six feet underground !
A boy scout troop would be enough to handle you bunch of fairies.
A million years time would be to soon to think about shared sovereignty given what they did to us and our Country in 1982. Time may be a great healer they say but why on earth would we want to share something so precious to us.
Jul 18th, 2014 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has been trying to make our life difficult for over 150 years and many generations of islanders have followed knowing just what they are like.
It simply will never happen now or anytime in several more generations.
These islands belong to us the people of the Falkland Islands who are born and bred genuine Kelpers who have the legal and moral right to choose there own future.
So Argentina and Senator Salvador Cabrera Arrechea you can forget any inclination to try and win our trust in you ever again. The answer will always be NO.
My god dont these people ever shut up!? If anyone has a thread thin claim it would be France! “get them back” what is this guy talking ? they have even belonged to Argentina since they were in british hands before Argentina was even born. Its like my neighbour constantly knocking on my door insisting my car belongs to him and he “wants it back” and then complains to the Police that ive told him to “feck off” The whole of Argentina are mentally ill if the believe their “claim”
Jul 18th, 2014 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't really know what this guy is on about... He's talking about Latin America support?
Jul 19th, 2014 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am Brazilian, and Brazilians dislike Argentineans more than the Falkland islanders do. Ask yourself, how can you fly from London to the Falkland islands? It's via Chile. Yes, Chileans dislike Argentineans just as much and Uruguayans. I believe most of South America (if not all) dislike Argentina.
Argentina is the modern day Nazy Germany everyone in South America knows that, hence that's why no one likes them, that's why they are trying to isolate the islanders from trade so that they either accept Argentinean control or die from starvation because hey that's what democratic nations like North Korea do.
To the Argentineans who feel the English are stealing their oil (which is not Argentineans anyway) but at least if the UK takes the oil from the islands, at least the UK is a country well-known for sharing its wealth with poor nations with its foreign aid programme which is quite sizeable, one of the biggest in the world. Argentina in control, would they do the same? Surely not. So not only, the Islanders are british, but to me, Britain has a moral obligation to keep them since they do more for the world..
Embarrassing Argie Pols. Why do they want the world to laugh at them?
Jul 19th, 2014 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and who cares for those squatters?????????????????????????
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently your deluded leaders do old chap,
And if they are squatters, then you argies are also squatters,
you cant have it both ways..lol
81@
@90
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the time has come for Paulie to stop posting on here.
Can't debate. Can't form an arguement. Just ties himself in knots.
Someone be merciful and seize his spade.
Paulie. Step away from the hole! Time to stop digging!
You lost. End of story.
Back away now, preserve some dignity!
(oh, and inform your useless Gov. to do the same!)
91@ agreed,
Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he seems envious and jealous of us,
@92
Jul 19th, 2014 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, he has a wierd compulsion about the UK.
I post on here because I have a long-standing interest in Latin American affairs. Not sure about his reasoning tho!
@81
Jul 19th, 2014 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“and little britain without the support of the u.s.a. is less than nothing.”
Despite your opinion that we are nothing without USA support, I wouldn't bank on taking the Falklands with your' museum piece' airforce and Navy, as we don't need the support of the USA to defend the Islands against your failed imperialism.
@94
Jul 20th, 2014 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite right you are!
I defy any Argentine to prove otherwise.
81. “little britain without the support of the u.s.a. is less than nothing.”
Jul 20th, 2014 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0So big a target to take a hit at here but it would be like smacking an autistic child.
So Paul lets just say that from what you've written I assume that an accurate understanding of economics, history, international politics and strategic studies is a little bit patchy on your side of the world?
Paul-paull,,,push and paul...lol
Jul 21st, 2014 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 97 Briton
Jul 21st, 2014 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Polly put the kettle on” would end up in a FUBAR with the moron doing it.
Does he have a kettle and water do you think?
Even if he did, can he light the fire .lol
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l see that paulcedron, the jealous idiot is back.
Jul 25th, 2014 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whats it like paul, to be wrong all the time?
To be wrong & a fool as well?
You'll get over it when you grow up.
He is also getting more deranged and spiteful. Really gone downhill recently.
Jul 25th, 2014 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Must be all that worry about the default. Or maybe he put his back out collecting firewood and that's made him extra grumpy?
Brr!!!
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