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A money rich China and Brazil dispute influence in Latam

Saturday, July 19th 2014 - 07:36 UTC
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After the BRICS summit and a visit to Brazil, China's President Xi Jinping is embarking on a tour of Argentina, Venezuela and Cuba in a bid to boost ties and gain clout in the region, as analyst Victor Mijares tells Deutch Welle. Read full article

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  • ilsen

    Interesting stuff. .... I expect the USA is following this tour very closely. Probably has quite a few 'ears'listening in!

    Jul 19th, 2014 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    China is investing in its economy FIRST then it will concentrate on its military power not like the USA which is spending on Military but not economical.....that is the difference.
    checkout what has happened to chicago and what is happening to Shanghai
    www.pinterest.com/shirleyz/old-abandoned-buildings-places.
    www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/08/26-years-of-growth-shanghai-then-and-now/100569.

    Jul 19th, 2014 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    ASS

    you are so clumsey in your artifice.

    Show us pictures of the rest of China - how do workers live?

    Jul 19th, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    here are some photos of their kids;
    http://www.chinagaze.com/2013/09/16/photos-of-chinese-children-living-in-poverty-cctv-dares-not-publish/
    and here;
    http://www.chinagaze.com/2013/09/16/photos-of-chinese-children-living-in-poverty-cctv-dares-not-publish/

    Quite similar to the 30% (and growing) poverty we see in Argentina.

    When will they throw out the corrupt charlatan Cristina?

    Set the people free!

    Jul 19th, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Gain clout,

    perhaps even supporting a breakaway Patagonia ,
    how that for clout, at the very least it will infuriate Putin, after all he like supporting rebels..

    Jul 19th, 2014 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    “Are China's interests in Caracas purely economic?

    Venezuela is currently China's number one debtor in Latin America, and Beijing's top supplier of oil in the region, with 6% of Chinese imports coming from the South American country.”

    Yup, and that is all oil (the 6%). Venezuela has already mortgaged the next 25 years of oil production to them. I don't know what else they can sell, but I fear for the Venezuelan people.

    You can't buy anything decent in Venezuela anymore. All the clothes and 'white goods' (freezers/washing machines etc) are 'nasty' low-end Chinese exports that those in 'the West' won't accept anymore.
    The militarization of the gov/administration/society and the the whole Vene-Cuba schtick is not a problem for China. The Boligarch are going to welcome them with open arms and sell-out the whole country just to trouser a few million US$.
    I hope they rot in hell.

    Jul 19th, 2014 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    China is still a developing country so poverty exists.They have done a great job bringing down poverty from 85% in 1981 to 13.1% in 2008 with positive growth for 30years. compare that to the British where in 2012 33% of the population is living below the poverty level and you know something is wrong...very wrong.
    www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/19/poverty-hits-twice-as-many-british-househols.

    Jul 19th, 2014 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @7
    Again you are showing your very basic igonorance of global econonic indicators. poverty in the UK is not measured on the same scale as Argentina.
    Poverty is measured against median income and is country specific.
    Below are some links to help your education.
    Firstly though;
    Absolute vs relative poverty.
    When measured, poverty may be absolute or relative poverty. Absolute poverty refers to a set standard which is consistent over time and between countries. An example of an absolute measurement would be the percentage of the population eating less food than is required to sustain the human body (approximately 2000–2500 calories per day).

    Relative poverty, in contrast, views poverty as socially defined and dependent on social context. One relative measurement would be to compare the total wealth of the poorest one-third of the population with the total wealth of the richest 1% of the population. In this case, the number of people counted as poor could increase while their income rises. There are several different income inequality metrics; one example is the Gini coefficient.
    (This is relevant to your Guardian article.)
    This is important too.
    To compute a poverty measure, three ingredients are needed:
    One has to define the relevant welfare measure. (see above)
    One has to select a poverty line – that is a threshold below which a given household or individual will be classified as poor.
    One has to select a poverty indicator– which is used for reporting for the population as a whole or for a population sub-group only.
    Read this;
    http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTPA/Resources/429966-1259774805724/Poverty_Inequality_Handbook_Ch04.pdf
    Some background here;
    http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTPA/Resources/429966-1259774805724/Poverty_Inequality_Handbook_Ch04.pdf
    This will help;
    http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTPA/Resources/429966-1259774805724/Poverty_Inequality_Handbook_Ch04.pdf

    I don't know why I bother to try to educate you, but others may find this of interest I hope!
    PS: Aussiesunshinee, were are you located? That would help!

    Jul 19th, 2014 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Ilsen

    We think that ASS is actually Spanish.

    He may have lived in Oz for a short time.

    He seems to be fairly ignorant of many of the topics he links to, and generally shies away from any argument questioning his statements.

    He is not interested in, or capable of debate.

    His repertoire is almost exclusively “whataboutery”.

    Ou are wasting your time “educating” him.

    Best to just point out his lies or flawed statements so that others do not swallow them unquestioningly.

    Jul 19th, 2014 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    *8 poverty is measured when,
    18 Britons live in adequate conditions when
    33 % endure below par living standards when
    1 in 4 britons cannot afford to heat their homes when
    21% are behindpaying their bills when
    there are 3.5 million children living in poverty.
    That is poverty; and not that mumble jumble you have written.....ummmmmmmm.

    *9 educate yourself first as you need it.. Education is the ability to listen
    to almost anything without losing your temper or deriding somebody.

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Troy,
    “He seems to be fairly ignorant of many of the topics he links to, and generally shies away from any argument questioning his statements.
    He is not interested in, or capable of debate.
    His repertoire is almost exclusively “whataboutery”.

    ”Best to just point out his lies or flawed statements so that others do not swallow them unquestioningly”

    Agreed, but one feels one must contribute. Especially against falsehoods.

    Well, up until the point of wanting to seize him by his scrawny neck and...
    ..and nevermind!
    :(
    I'm sure others might find some interest from some of what I post. I glean a lot from other people's posts even if I don't comment on them.

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    *11 :) :) You seem ok!! not like other trolls!!

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    11 ilsen

    “I'm sure others might find some interest from some of what I post. I glean a lot from other people's posts even if I don't comment on them.”

    I don't think there's much to “glean” from ASS.
    He knows very little, and understands even less.

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @12
    I don't care what you think as you obviously don't read or understand my posts.
    For everyone else:
    It has become increasingly obvious that ‘Aussiesunshinee' is no more than a racist troll in a similar vein as Mendo-idiot/Keith Pork and others, and is probably the same poster.
    This person has nothing of value to contribute. This idiot betrays the worst form of ignorance, the refusal to even try to understand another point of view, or to accept that others may have a higher knowledge of a given subject. Other than that, ASS, just tries to goad genuine posters.

    This fool should be ignored or told to F off.
    Kind regards,
    ilsen

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    14 ;) :) I brought out the sleazy part of you you were so much trying to
    hide........Racist me??!! really in deed!! hahahaha!! you can ignore me but you can´t shut me up......that´s the beauty of free speech.......ummmm

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    South America is the US's weak point in the Pivot to Asia. As indicated here it is possible for the PRC to attempt a flanking move in South America. So, the US needs to give South America its highest priority.

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    16 Hepatia / British Bomber

    Why do you want us to notice you ?

    I mean really ????

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Chinas dictators tour of Latin Americas Pariah States!

    Bahahahaha…

    Nice to have friends like these!

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    16. The successful half of South American is aligned with the USA and the pariah/failed states are aligned with China/Russia.

    Sounds good to me.

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    *19 like Mexico which lost new mexico.nevada.california.colorado.utah.wyoming.texas.oregon.idaho. and then had Mexico invaded by the American forces in an unjust war.
    or the splitting up of gran colombia (Colombia/Panama/Venezuela) into three countries when Gran Colombia refused to give The Americans excess to Panama. WELL I KNOW WHO I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE AS MY BUSINESS PARTNER...

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    29 ASS

    “WELL I KNOW WHO I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE AS MY BUSINESS PARTNER...”

    Yes, but we know YOU aren't very bright.

    If the rest of Mercosur wishes to become like Venezuela, imploding with an unserviceable Chinese debt whilst her natural resources are sucked dry - go for it.

    BTW,
    The US paid $50 to Mexico for California, 165 years ago.

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    The Mexicans have not forgotten that war where they lost half their territory.It is ENGRAVED in their hearts and soul.

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Well the USA aligned countries are doing well and I am happy. Misery loves company and the Alba nations are certainly miserable.
    They can choose their own path and use Caracas as their example of the height of Socialism.
    I wonder if they have electricity there today?
    Probably not

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    22 ASS

    “The Mexicans have not forgotten that war where they lost half their territory.It is ENGRAVED in their hearts and soul.”

    Utter nonsense, you idiot.

    I once spent the afternoon with a member of the Mexican Tourist Bureau.
    These people are University educated and well-versed in Mexican history.

    He actually brought up the subject that many of the uneducated and discontented poor, are jealous of what they see California has become and how it has prospered. “Many of them like to believe America stole it from us, but that is not the case”.

    ASS,
    Why are you always wanting something that is not yours and something you never helped build?

    Lazy freeloader.

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 鼻孔

    在16

    USA not have wand to give priority Spanish America.

    China, Russia, Brazil present money, equality. USA offer command, oppression, unequality. No money.

    This why Spanish American go Russia, China, bye-bye USA.

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    http://en.mercopress.com/2014/07/19/a-money-rich-china-and-brazil-dispute-influence-in-latam#comment339694: Except that the US is executing the 'Pivot to Asia'. And in order for this to be successful we need Brazil to adopt certain foreign policies. Hence the recent diplomacy.

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    27 Hepatia/BritishBomber

    talk to

    Nostril/鼻孔 @25

    You are both hilarious

    Jul 20th, 2014 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JoseAngeldeMonterrey

    The Mexican-American wars are part of the 1800´s, Mexicans do not see Texas or California as “stolen”, in the same manner we don´t see Guatemala, Honduras, Salvador o Nicaragua as stolen either, even though those territories were once part of Mexico too.

    Jul 21st, 2014 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • willowas1

    Communist China-free Tibet

    Jul 21st, 2014 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 鼻孔

    Royalist England- free Scotland

    Jul 22nd, 2014 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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