Ceremonies have been held in Germany to mark the 70th anniversary of a failed 20 July 1944 attempt by military officers to kill Adolf Hitler. The conspirators are now regarded as German patriots for their actions. Read full article
Always sad when we look back on these events, in Germany there is still a feeling of national shame. The victims of the regime also included opposition parties, the Christian church's and homo sexuals but the Jews bore of the ire by the system. As we say in Britain on our own rememberance day we will remember them
It's interesting to note some comparisons. In Germany, you say, there is still a feeling of national shame. In argieland, there is no national shame because argieland today is not the same as argieland under the Junta. A clear line is drawn. Over the months and years that I have read this board, you can find, many times, the argie statement It wasn't us. And yet present-day argieland has the same aspirations, subscribes to the same lies. It has tried justice against a few scapegoats. But Germans admitted that they were all responsible. Germany has a few oddballs who want to whinge about Britain honouring people who gave their lives in defence of our country. Argieland honours criminal invaders and occupiers. Argieland CELEBRATES the beginning of the war they started. Britain and the Falklands COMMEMORATE its end.
Congratulations to Germans for their honesty. In a way it's a shame that they have two world wars to be ashamed of at the same time. It's doubtful if those wars will ever be forgotten. I wonder at what point people in general will decide that the then-current population of Germany has no connection with the events of the 30s and 40s.
Argieland has no such possibility. It kids itself that its denial is accepted by everyone else. 32 years and no-one has forgotten argieland's aggression or its occupation. No-one forgets its war crimes. No-one forgets those who packed the streets in celebration after the invasion. And argieland continues on in the same criminal fashion. It's not enough to pretend to change for around 10 years. Some suggestions. Make it a criminal offence to even think about claiming the Falklands. Cancel all decorations for actions in that period. Cancel any welfare benefits attributable to being involved. Admit publicly, at the UN, that argieland has been lying for 180 years. Change argieland's constitution. Change the education system. It's more or less what Germany has done!
Collaborated on jointly by Hollywood and Germany, Operation Valkyrie, the movie based on the persons of Colonel Klaus María Graf Von Stauffenberg and other morally responsible officers in the Wehrmacht who tried to assassinate Adolf Hitler and remove the Nazi party from power, has done more to cast a calm, unprejudiced and unromanticized eye on a segment of the German people, than any other effort to date. I suspect that it has contributed significantly toward the recovery of the emotionally and spiritually crippled generations of youth who grew up after the war. I hope it has made them strong enough in their collective shame to stop any such madmen in the future.
I wish the people of the United States could learn from this, summarily dealing with such criminally insane leaders as George W. Bush―before killing innocents and duped combatants on both sides; before attracting the ire of other peoples through tragi-comedy gross arrogance.
The events of July 20, 1944 were a reminder to Germans about the importance of “bravely standing up for our values.”
...Codswallop.....he supported German expansion and enslavement of Polish...etc.
The Wehrmacht officers knew the war was lost they were also dis-satisfied with the German leadership that had put them in this position of losing..Stalingrad etc..
Funny how it wasn't until 1944 that they attempted a coup.....
Don't try and twist history they were all in favour of a thousand year Reich...
.....Stauffenberg quote, It is essential that we begin a systemic colonisation in Poland. But I have no fear that this will not occur”.
They would be better to honour Major Karl Plagge, Wehrmacht officer, engineer and Nazi Party member who's name is on the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial along with the likes of Oskar Schindler, Captain Wilm Hosenfeld, lieutenant Heinz Drossel, lieutenant Albert Battel
You are correct, there are very few Germans who are not ashamed, apologetic and remorseful for their countries actions of the last century. They no longer aspire to colonise Europe (depite the EU project) nor to ethnically cleanse any area.
You comparison with Argentina is valid. They continue the same lies, the same rhetoric, the same aspirations, and only a robust defence stops them from trying a second time.
Conqueror, you have excelled yourself.
l completely agree.
As you say, the Argentines have no shame re their ridiculous claims to the Falklands.
Well done, Conqueror.
CONQUEROR is right on! Argentines are Nazis wannabees (want-to-bes). Their president (read, dictator) must look at photos of Stalin and Hitler every night and lament, But for having been born at the wrong time, that could have been me. True: a people get the leaders they deserve.
THE VOICE knows nothing of history. From 1942 on there were more than a dozen attempts on Hitler's life, all by German officers. Further, the recent celebration of morally-driven Germans against the Third Reich was not only a belated remembrance of Count Stauffenberg, but recognition that he deserved to be the poster boy for others who also tried to stop Hitler because he had a detailed plan to replace the Nazi party, organized a number of trusted think-alike colleagues, and very nearly succeeded.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAlways sad when we look back on these events, in Germany there is still a feeling of national shame. The victims of the regime also included opposition parties, the Christian church's and homo sexuals but the Jews bore of the ire by the system. As we say in Britain on our own rememberance day we will remember them
Jul 21st, 2014 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's interesting to note some comparisons. In Germany, you say, there is still a feeling of national shame. In argieland, there is no national shame because argieland today is not the same as argieland under the Junta. A clear line is drawn. Over the months and years that I have read this board, you can find, many times, the argie statement It wasn't us. And yet present-day argieland has the same aspirations, subscribes to the same lies. It has tried justice against a few scapegoats. But Germans admitted that they were all responsible. Germany has a few oddballs who want to whinge about Britain honouring people who gave their lives in defence of our country. Argieland honours criminal invaders and occupiers. Argieland CELEBRATES the beginning of the war they started. Britain and the Falklands COMMEMORATE its end.
Jul 21st, 2014 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations to Germans for their honesty. In a way it's a shame that they have two world wars to be ashamed of at the same time. It's doubtful if those wars will ever be forgotten. I wonder at what point people in general will decide that the then-current population of Germany has no connection with the events of the 30s and 40s.
Argieland has no such possibility. It kids itself that its denial is accepted by everyone else. 32 years and no-one has forgotten argieland's aggression or its occupation. No-one forgets its war crimes. No-one forgets those who packed the streets in celebration after the invasion. And argieland continues on in the same criminal fashion. It's not enough to pretend to change for around 10 years. Some suggestions. Make it a criminal offence to even think about claiming the Falklands. Cancel all decorations for actions in that period. Cancel any welfare benefits attributable to being involved. Admit publicly, at the UN, that argieland has been lying for 180 years. Change argieland's constitution. Change the education system. It's more or less what Germany has done!
Collaborated on jointly by Hollywood and Germany, Operation Valkyrie, the movie based on the persons of Colonel Klaus María Graf Von Stauffenberg and other morally responsible officers in the Wehrmacht who tried to assassinate Adolf Hitler and remove the Nazi party from power, has done more to cast a calm, unprejudiced and unromanticized eye on a segment of the German people, than any other effort to date. I suspect that it has contributed significantly toward the recovery of the emotionally and spiritually crippled generations of youth who grew up after the war. I hope it has made them strong enough in their collective shame to stop any such madmen in the future.
Jul 21st, 2014 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wish the people of the United States could learn from this, summarily dealing with such criminally insane leaders as George W. Bush―before killing innocents and duped combatants on both sides; before attracting the ire of other peoples through tragi-comedy gross arrogance.
The events of July 20, 1944 were a reminder to Germans about the importance of “bravely standing up for our values.”
Jul 21st, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...Codswallop.....he supported German expansion and enslavement of Polish...etc.
The Wehrmacht officers knew the war was lost they were also dis-satisfied with the German leadership that had put them in this position of losing..Stalingrad etc..
Funny how it wasn't until 1944 that they attempted a coup.....
Don't try and twist history they were all in favour of a thousand year Reich...
.....Stauffenberg quote, It is essential that we begin a systemic colonisation in Poland. But I have no fear that this will not occur”.
They would be better to honour Major Karl Plagge, Wehrmacht officer, engineer and Nazi Party member who's name is on the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial along with the likes of Oskar Schindler, Captain Wilm Hosenfeld, lieutenant Heinz Drossel, lieutenant Albert Battel
Jul 21st, 2014 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct, there are very few Germans who are not ashamed, apologetic and remorseful for their countries actions of the last century. They no longer aspire to colonise Europe (depite the EU project) nor to ethnically cleanse any area.
You comparison with Argentina is valid. They continue the same lies, the same rhetoric, the same aspirations, and only a robust defence stops them from trying a second time.
Argentina needs to grow up.
@ 2 Conqueror
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent post.
Conqueror, you have excelled yourself.
Jul 22nd, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l completely agree.
As you say, the Argentines have no shame re their ridiculous claims to the Falklands.
Well done, Conqueror.
CONQUEROR is right on! Argentines are Nazis wannabees (want-to-bes). Their president (read, dictator) must look at photos of Stalin and Hitler every night and lament, But for having been born at the wrong time, that could have been me. True: a people get the leaders they deserve.
Jul 23rd, 2014 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0THE VOICE knows nothing of history. From 1942 on there were more than a dozen attempts on Hitler's life, all by German officers. Further, the recent celebration of morally-driven Germans against the Third Reich was not only a belated remembrance of Count Stauffenberg, but recognition that he deserved to be the poster boy for others who also tried to stop Hitler because he had a detailed plan to replace the Nazi party, organized a number of trusted think-alike colleagues, and very nearly succeeded.
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