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Argentina urges Obama to intercede in holdouts case: Griesa is 'interfering with US foreign policy'

Friday, August 8th 2014 - 08:57 UTC
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Argentine President Cristina Fernández on Thursday urged US President Barack Obama to intercede in the dispute between Argentina and holdouts over Argentine debt, while blasting New York judge Thomas Griesa for “not making any sense”. Read full article

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  • Anglotino

    Perhaps no one in the US government considers this as damaging to the relationship as all these newspaper articles do.

    Argentina can't escape.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    Cristina, all you have to do is pay back the money you owe. Why are you getting so hysterical? Is Argentina in such a state that it can't afford to pay over a few measly billion dollars? Just pay up and stop embarrassing your Country.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    “Citibank, for instance is by law an Argentine bank”

    Incorrect CFK. Citibank Argentina is the Argentinean subisdiary of Citi Group. In Argentina, Citibank Argentina must abide by Argentinean laws but no other part of Citi Group needs to abide by these laws. First year law degree stuff really...

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    What a load of bollocks!

    Does she not realise that she is now losing all sympathy she might have had?

    ¡qué hazmereir!

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I said a long time ago i said payback is a b*tch. Maybe she should remember Timmerman illegally boring and seizing items from a SOVEREIGN USA military jet.

    These people are really stupid and delusional but REALLY STUPID and DELUSIONAL.

    Too bad so sad.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • wesley mouch

    Vulture politician CFK needs to give back the billions she has stolen. That will pay the creditors. Argentina is a big turd that needs to beflushed

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • jeffski

    “district judge wants to run down a whole country.”

    No Cristina, it is you and your criminal cronies in office who are running down Argentina.

    Laughing stock of world politics.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    She still has yet to learn that everytime she opens that big mouth of hers things get worse.

    Clearly nobody in her inner court is willing to tell her STFU!

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    The Brazilians said that Cretina K is “inept, arrogant and incompetent.”

    How could they have overlooked corrupt?

    Good luck to rotting roadkill.

    Your gringo amigos salute you.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    How strange. Another dodgy “journalist”, Greg Palast, pens an article for the lefty Guardian, already suspect for deciding that it is more capable than the British government of what damages British national security, and the dumb cow comes out with the same thing. Slight problem. The Guardian was already revealing material pertinent to U.S. national security. Coincidentally, the Russians are playing up. Curious.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • georgeneurus

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tallison46

    I can only assume CFK has never had to deal with the rule of law....

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    12. When she had power, if a judge was investigating something inconvenient teh Ks would;
    Investigate them
    Remove him
    Pay him
    Or a family member would get kidnapped or threatened

    Not necessarily in that order.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    What a muppet she is? How to lose friends an alienate people? She is courting evil regimes and spurning the very nations that can help, all the while playing the whingeing victim.

    Mr Think and his sock puppet must be soooo proud of her….

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • hurricane

    TIA (this is Argentina)

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)

    @15

    Courting evil regimes is a necessary evil. Spuring the nations that can help?

    The EU, US, and China are utterly useless. And you wouldn't help anyway.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    First Cristina pays some dork to write an article by her design, then she quotes it. It couldn't be more 'viveza criolla',

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #16 titti boi tobi....you returned! Did the electricity come back on of is your daddy finished bending you over the stool?

    I kid you tobi, but really, did you get your weeks supple of your momma's milk?
    Does she pump for you for when she is not around?

    What is it like to be poor and NEVER have an opportunity not to be poor....or to have never left Mendoza?

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @18 Steady on. TTT can't help his circumstances.

    @16 I thought you were all in favour of China buying up Argentina. What happened? You personally don't like any outside help but CFK has appealed directly to the President of the United States for help. You personally don't want your country to borrow any more money but CFK does and will if she can. When you think about it, you should be angry at your government.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    This is getting more and more confusing ,
    unintelligible and incisive by the day,

    And surely making a mockery of lending/paying back debts.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Sigh,
    Whats next ? Is she going to start yelling Alluh Akbah to get the Arabs wound up and wanting a piece of the senile old Gresias ass.
    Maybe send Axel to see the pope and explain his side? WTF

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Elaine circumstances and attitude are two different things. He gets what he gives like his government.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @22 I agree his attitude is immature, provocative, aggressive and ill-informed. I suspect he has a personality disorder and spends too much time absorbing conspiracy theories. But beyond that a lot of his aggression comes from fear.

    If I may be perfectly honest, CP, and this is a personal view, I don't like all the mother's milk and bending over comments - from anyone. It might illustrate his inability to cut the apron strings and keyboard warrior status but it makes me skip the rest of your posts and I would rather like to read them. /pompous stuff.

    I know he gives it out and he is like that irritating twit in the playground but his life must be shit.

    No offence intended, CP.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    None taken. And point understood.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

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    Irrespective of your philosphy on economics - be it Keynes to Smith

    and regardless of your position on the political spectrum from Marx to Nietzsche

    and particularly inspite of your position - pro or con - on the K's,

    many if not most of us feel - if truth be known - a certain sadness at the

    at the events of recent years.

    In an epoch where Argentina stood to benefit perhaps the most from a rapidly increasing demand by world energy and commodity needs it has failed to benefit and indeed fallen backwards.

    The graphic on the following link demonstrates just how severely society as well as the individual have been harmed.

    While you may find the textual content biased and much to your dislike (or like), the numbers if to be believed - and they are well within the ranges commonly discussed by partisans and non-partisans of all ilks - reflect the stress that the citizenry has been subjected to.

    Take a pause and ask and answer among yourselves:

    Am I better off than I was eight years ago?

    Do I look forward with anticipation to another eight year period not dissimilar from the previous one?

    How can these trends best be perpetuated or reversed?

    Please transmit/post this link to as many as you know.

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    Aug 08th, 2014 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BOTINHO

    “ Citibank, for instance, is by law an Argentine Bank. ”

    “ It is unheard of, and also his decisions appear more and more random. He does not make any sense. There is an ‘urbi et orbi’ feeling in all this [meaning he is threatening national authority with his sentences],” the President said.”

    One wonders who is advising CFK.

    It appears all along, for many years to be the young and delusional Axel “ Elvis ” Kicillof, Minister of the Economy, who no doubt believes himself to be a economic wizard reincarnate of RASPUTIN.

    Similarities ? Oh yes, Amigos.
    “ Uneducated Russian peasant, mystic, faith healer and private adviser to the Romanovs, who helped to stall and run the country into the ground ”

    One only need to substitute the Romanovs for the Kirchners.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dsullivanboston

    I am trying to decide if Argentina more resembles the three stoges or the keystone cops. Either way the comedy factor is fantastic! I havent laughed so much in a while

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    If Griesa had an opportunity to exercise a little accomodation to Argentina's needs, when possible, this last inept tactic on the part of Argentina, is pretty much going to make Griesa stone cold towards them.

    This last tactic is truly contemptuous. Trying to paint him as incompetent and too old and senile ought to really make him mad.

    And, if Obama doesn't help out Chrissy, she will paint the U.S. as the source of all her own screw ups.

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alistair Nigel (EUian)

    @18

    Do you have cognizance of your redactions?

    Look, at least I don't live in the police state called the USA.

    I'll leave you with this... the Argentina of the 1860-1940 period and the USA of the same period were very similar: extremely small governments, unbridled capitalist policies, isolationism, immigration.

    Since then Argentina has declined economically, but the USA has declined in freedom. You live in a country where you are controlled from every possible angle, your government runs rampant and lies, and spies on you and others. Your economic prosperity (which has visibly declined since 2000 in all statistics), is the illusion your government feeds you to keep you at bay.

    Didn't want of your most important “procures” (don't know how do say this word in English... towering father?”), say something to the effect “those who agree to sacrifice liberty for security deserve not one or the other”.

    That's exactly what the USA has become.

    Or as one of the most important presidents of “libertarian” Argentina said:

    “Fear the day when government knows more about its people, than the people about their government”.

    Yup.

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BOTINHO

    Bushpilot -

    And, if Obama doesn't help out Chrissy, she will paint the U.S. as the source of all her own screw ups.”

    Don't you recognize how the Argentine government works ?

    That is precisely what they were doing all along.

    Shifting the blame from themselves and their own incompetence, to the Great Satan, since they now embrace Iranian patois and objective, namely the US.

    There was never any intention of addressing the original contract, or acting responsibly. 12 years of looking for someone to blame.

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @28
    CFK can scream and shout to her hearts delight but Griesa is a judge and will only judge on USA law. He doesn't have to do anything to help only if it is a matter of law. Thats why he has a appointed a special master ( Pollock )

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #29 tobi run back into your mother's basement. If you had any knowledge you would know how lacking your posts are. You dear tobi are pathetic and at most solicit feelings of sorrow for your condition. Your rhetoric is even more pathetic.
    It's ahsame that your are not self sufficient and worked and supported yourself in this life because you would know just how much and how bad your life is going to become. But, considering your age and that your parasitic ways has your living off the compassion of others and the paltry handouts of the state, it will be no worse in the near future for you. In the longer run it will.

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    What ever happened Alastair's Chinese accent? Or was it as real as Cristina's pathetic claims about the judge?

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #29 your command of the English language is laborious at best.

    Ilsen..........it's tough living in tobi's shoes.......fighting the world as the freedom fighter he is.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    One keystroke at a time. .....

    lol

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    It's impressive she is only urging Obama to help, it's usually a demand.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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