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Falkland Islands dispute becomes a political incident in Welsh politics

Friday, August 8th 2014 - 07:44 UTC
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The Welsh Conservatives say First Minister Carwyn Jones should distance himself from 'distasteful' comments over the Falkland Islands' sovereignty. The situation involved the Welsh leader, Argentine ambassador in UK Alicia Castro and Chubut governor Martin Buzzi, when they met to address next year's 150th anniversary of Welsh settlers in Patagonia. Read full article

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  • Brit Bob

    Castro and 'Chubnut' laughable pairing. PS A sovereignty claim without a case is illegitimate. Comprende?

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    I'm pretty sure after over 100 years the descendents of the Welsh consider themselves Argentine. As for her comment about hostility towards the Falklanders - that's just another case of the Argentine government denying what is obviously true.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alec

    Re sovereignty, the matter was discussed face-to-face between 2 April and 14 June 1982. Blighty - and, more importantly, the Islanders - consider it to be closed.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Alicia Castro. Such is life without a sense of embarrassment.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    “British descendants of Britons”? What on earth does the trolly dolly mean?

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @5 gordo1,
    She doesn't know either.
    Next she'll be saying that the Welsh people support Argentina's ridiculous “claims” over the Falklands.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    This just goes to show that devolved “governments” shouldn't have any international involvement. Can California involve itself instead of the United States?

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    Is she standing in a hole?

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Jones was bloody naive to say the least, he took a national cultural event and invited the RG's along to use it for propoganda purposes, what did the numpty think they were going to do at the bloody Eisteddfod, sing along to the chorus of MYFANWY????????

    Sod the 150 year celebration, how many Welsh people give a damn about a the descendants of bunch of Welsh nationalists, living at the other end of the world?

    Probably count them on one bloody hand!

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    The Welsh Labour morons!

    I wonder what the great Guardsman Simon Weston, 1st Battalion, Welsh Guards, so beloved by everyone in the UK for his humility and fence mending abilities with his former enemies thinks of the labour twat?

    Answers on the head of a pin to The National Assembly for Wales, Pierhead St, Cardiff, South Glamorgan CF99 1NA Tel. 0845 010 5500.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • boufiewolf

    Gordo, The Welsh and Cornish were the occupiers of the British Iles at the time of the Romans and retain their languages. The English and Scots just hadn't invaded yet the territories that bear their name. But I agree it's nonsence to try that argument, this daft old tart should be expelled but which delusional cretin would replace her?

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #11
    Were the Picts in N.E. Scotland and the Orkneys in fact British ?

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • boufiewolf

    The Picts were kept at bay by two walls although the Antonine wall only lasted 100 years and the Romans only used the term Briton's for the area they claimed ie England, Wales and Cornwall (The latter was never an English Kingdom being bordered by Wessex)

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #13
    I posed a rhetorical question. You inferred that the Welsh and Cornish were the occupiers of the “British Isles”. The Picts were not British as such although they occupied the N. part of Scotland.
    Ancient history now as we probably have ancestry from Spain, Gaul, Germany, the lands along the Danube, Asia Minor, Syria and North Africa from Roman auxiliaries who went native !. Mongrels are we !

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Can't the Welsh see that fatty Castro is just using them as a means to further her dirty objectives ??

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    and what the f*ck has malvinas got to do with the welsh immigrants to chubut?
    the welsh arrived in argentina to work and to be integrated.
    the ones who arrived in malvinas, to stole the land and resources.
    two totally different issues, should not be mixed

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    here , hear..what lol

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    No, they went their with their heads full of a stupid myth of creating Welsh utopia, the other side of the world, free from English influence. Look how they ended up, you have to feel sorry for them.

    If they had any idea how their “experiment” was going to end, you would not have been able to drag them out of their valley homes with a tow truck!

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    All decisions have consequences .

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “ free from English influence.”
    influence?
    you mean oppression, no?

    and as far as i know, many of them are estancieros, so they ended up a lot better than you all, living in a stinky islet.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Oppression?

    What you mean like the dictatorships and military juntas they were lucky enough to escape from, by emigrating to Patagonia?

    You mean that sort of oppression?

    They went there because they did not want to speak English, it worked and now they speak Spanish.

    PMSL.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 20 Polly

    You are SO funny.

    Do you work at it or does it come 'naturally'?

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @16, 20. Poor child. The Welsh had to be civilised. You do understand that the Welsh concept of a “leisure centre” is a sheep tied to a lamp-post? I understand it's much the same in argieland. Except that the sheep also beg. It's difficult to “steal” something you've owned since the dawn of time. The dawn of time being around 1690. But here's some news for you that solves the whole problem. All those competing claims from the 17th, 18th, 19th and early 20th century are ended. They ended on 14 June 1982. British forces forced some local mongrels to surrender. If you have the brain to do proper research, you will have to accept that the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are now British territory. Won by force of arms and international law. Would you like us to pop over and do the same to argieland? You know we can, don't you? But you don't really need to be scared. We're not that interested in you. You don't have anything that's really worth a single British missile. But you could capture our interest. Since you like to whitter about oppression, let's just ask you to respond on this. How do you fancy a coastal bombardment by every available British warship, effective up to 22 kilometres. Bombardment by British fleet submarines with Tomahawk Land Attack cruise missile, effective up to 1,700 kilometres. Bombardment by British combat aircraft launching various bombs and missiles including air-launched cruise missiles. And, of course, there's the big one. Trident. Launched from 7,000 miles away. And not a single thing you could do about any of them. Nationalism and defiance is one thing. Crass stupidity is something else. See if you can wind your brain up to the point where the gears clank. Have you noticed Britain being “scared” in any way?

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @22 ChrisR,
    paulcedron comes across as a jealous, resentful little boy who cannot get over the fact that Argentina was defeated in battle in 1982.
    He says that he doesn't care about the Falklands, BUT he really does care.
    lf he had been old enough, he would have been one of those imbeciles dancing & cheering in the Plaza de Mayo in 1982.
    l have been jousting with him for a bit of fun, but he's becoming boring now.
    So l think l'll probably ignore him from now on.
    lts been fun, paul.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @16
    “the welsh arrived in argentina to work and to be integrated.”

    Actually they did not want to be integrated into Argentina, they wanted to form a 'New Wales'-but they were taken over by Argentina.

    Still, their original country now promotes Welsh, so they need not have moved, especially to be imperialised by colonist Argentina.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    imbecile 23
    it seems you, keyboard warrior, have some sort of obsession with missiles, bombs, machine guns, bullets and all kind of phallic symbols.
    get out of the closet you faggot and get a real one, putito.

    rest of boludos & boludas.
    of course i do not have any interest in a pair of stinky islets, you halfwits.
    anyway we cannot deny that they belong to argentina.

    and again, how dare you compare a group of decent welsh immigrants with a bunch of thieves, english wannabes?
    no way

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #26
    Nyaff at #26. Are you Jose Malverino's idiot brother ?

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    27
    dont you have anything better to do than posting boludeces here the whole day?
    my god...
    and you are 70 something...
    must be sad to be that old and to behave like a teenager.

    Aug 08th, 2014 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    @27 Clyde15

    paulcedron is such a nice little boy that his mummy allows him to use her laptop to articulate the juvenile thoughts that occur to him from time to time.

    Just read and have a good belly laugh at all his inanity! One day he'll grow up and become a man!

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #28
    I don't post the whole day. If you had the brains to look at the times of my postings you could easily confirm this, but you seem to be lacking in this department.
    It's actually quite fun acting like a teenager at age 72....it keeps the mind active. However, I doubt you will ever reach that age as you are becoming so bitter and twisted that a coronary embolism is probably your fate.
    Anyway, cheer up, bad as it is to be Argentinian just now, you could be a West African facing the ebola epidemic. Before you trawl through the internet trying to prove that it was the British OR the Falkland islanders who were responsible for the outbreak, you will have to come up with actual FACTS.....a concept foreign to you as I have noted.

    For your benefit, posted at 0950 BST; now off out in the garden to collect Meconopsis seeds, then off to town shopping , back at lunch time and MAY see if any witty reply has been posted.....unlikely!

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    To be fair, the Welsh aren't exactly known across Britain for being the brightest, any politician dealing with this woman, infact anyone from the Argentine government, needs to on their guard.

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @11 boufiewolf
    I believe Cornwall (or Kernow) was added to the kingdom of Wessex in 717AD, by Edbert the then king of Wessex.

    @14 Clyde15
    By “not British” do you mean not Celts??

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Typical sneaky bullshit from the Argentine Government representatives. Only paul-carrion believes this stuff. He only posts on British related articles because he is a wannabe.

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @16 “and what the f*ck has malvinas got to do with the welsh immigrants to chubut?”“......
    Paul, perhaps you should ask that question to Alicia ”Bitch“ Castro and Martin Buzzi.
    And as far as your statement goes, that ”“the ones who arrived in Malvinas, to stole the land and resources””, can't you give it a rest ?? There's absolutely no point in insisting. If Argentina believes they have a valid claim - and they obviously think they do - then let them take the case to the ICJ....otherwise, why don't they just stop wasting everyone's time.

    Aug 09th, 2014 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    good call Jack !

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    @34 Jack Bauer
    it would appear from current Argentine behaviour that they only look to the ICJ when it occurs to them to make a grand gesture for home consumption. They, of course, know the rules that both sides must agree to the jurisdiction of the ICJ.

    They must realise that the UK would jump to challenge them in the ICJ if they ever have the balls to take their claim to The Hague. And they know they would lose!

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @26
    “anyway we cannot deny that they belong to argentina.”

    Actually we can deny Argentine sovereignty because it is based on a very loose claim that can be easily challenged and countered.

    As Jack @34) has said, if Argentina was certain of it's claim it would have gone to the ICJ years ago.

    Trouble for you is that the ICJ will want supporting documents and evidence and Argentina cannot supply these,. much less anything logical.

    The' Mien Kampf' Hitleresque indoctrination that Argentina's school kids get on the Malvinas myth, will not stand close scrutiny at the ICJ, but go ahead please, we could do with a laugh, like the Spanish claim that the Gibraltarians concrete blocks and bunkering broke EU environmental rules, which clearly they never did, which got thrown out by the EU.

    Aug 10th, 2014 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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