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Cristina Fernandez will use anti-terrorism law against US company that closed its Argentine plant

Friday, August 15th 2014 - 07:13 UTC
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Argentina's government will use an anti-terrorism law for the first time to seek criminal charges against a U.S.-based international printing firm which closed its Argentine plant without warning, president Cristina Fernández said on Thursday. She linked the company to some of the hedge funds in litigation with Argentina over defaulted bonds. Read full article

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  • Welsh Wizard

    And so it begins...

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vulcanbomber

    i love the mindset of CFK, it must be someones elses fault. Not the Argentine government, not CFK's

    Wake up and smell the roses, your country is going down the pan, thanks to your leadership.

    Time to clear out the last of one eyed wierdo's vaults and hide in the Seychelles

    The country will do better without your style of leadership, much like germany did after 1945.

    Oh, and can someone pass the toffees, all the popcorn has gone

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    She still has it wrong, it is supposed to be the middle finger when giving the bird.
    She's barking mad I tell you.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • boufiewolf

    What's this woman on? Her economic policies is likely the reason this company cannot make any profit and decided to cut their losses. Hijacking a plane is terrorism for example, people sadly losing jobs is not.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • willi1

    ck: “We are facing a real case of fraudulent behavior and an attempt to intimidate the population,” said Cristina Fernandez.
    YES, Mrs. Goebbels-Hitler!

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    “its a threat to all Argentines”

    yet more from Propaganda 101...

    Government=Nation

    oh dear oh dear

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • La Patria

    @5 you beat me to it!!

    Another great quote:
    “With me as President, they will not see us on our knees”, she added.
    She spends most of her time on her knees gathering support from anyone willing to say the malvinas rhetoric. I heard Nestor tried the same trick but wasn't as successful.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    *brings more popcorn*

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Hmmm… is this threat in the same category as the threats made to Falklands oil company executives?

    Shes all fur coat and no knickers. (Or all hat and no cattle)

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    This is seriously worrying. Are they going to do this to every business that goes tits up?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    Even for K-Argentine standards, this is pretty shocking. When will she start to jail people from the opposition?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    “Cristina Kirchner is comfortable with the default and sees the fight with the ”vultures“ as an opportunity for political gain”.

    “Whenever there is evidence of problems with the economic policy, she always manages to find a new culprit. ”

    http://www.iprofesional.com/notas/194015-Los-buitres-le-hacen-un-favor-al-relato-para-Cristina-Kirchner-la-recesin-es-culpa-de-una-conspiracin-geopoltica

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • owl61

    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    “With me as President, they will not see us on our knees”,

    Whatever she does in the privacy of her own home is her business.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    As I said when this was announced, the only thing I would have done differently is to get the USA execs out of the country immediately.
    I knew something like this would happen
    Cornered animals are dangerous

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • War Monkey

    I need popcorn.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • wesley mouch

    Her means are limited while that of the hedge funds is vast. The judicial proceedings in Nevada may yield great rot

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “We will apply the anti-terrorist law. We filled a motion under charges of altering the economic and financial order and terrorizing of people,”

    said the world expert at these practises......

    I still don't get how this is meant to be terrorism?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    Is it me?? I find this totally bewildering.

    I'm well aware that, according to some on here I'm only an Irish turnip but this makes no sense at all. Surely the one thing that Argentina desperately needs is foreign investment and as sure as dogs are dogs and little lambs eat ivy the one certain way of making sure that you get NO foreign investment is by threatening foreign companies with terrorism laws because you don't like the fact that they have to live in the real world of profit and loss accounts.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @13
    That's according to Doctor Johnson. As Ambrose Bierce pointed out, it is the first... ;)

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Argentina must get rid of all their possessions and money are in North American or European territory.
    Argentina must turn to South America, Asia and Russia. To trade in local currency, invest in new technology and forget Westerners forever.

    Remember: Westerners are thieves and if you do nothing they will leave him alone in his underpants on a busy boulevard.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4yT6j8u-UA&src_vid=F_-Uptj9OZE&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_727468199

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #18
    Because it's scaring the shit out of her !

    #21
    I presume you want to cancel the Olympics ? Local currency...what would that be....mung beans ? Do without western technology....goodbye Embraer and just about anything else On you go and good luck.

    Do you actually OWN underpants ?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    @21 mad as a box of frogs

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BOTINHO

    “ I will use the Anti-Terrorism law against them ”

    As a consequence then, no one will ever want to do business with Argentina.

    Madness.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Brazilian technology has made Brazil the largest food producer in the world. Brazilian technology is transforming Brazil into the largest oil producer in history. Es Brazilian technology is getting to change the math ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S2bz9tXS-A

    bye bye Westerners!

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Things are getting bad here. The one company i know that's all in blanco (out of many businesses) has had to revert to being open a few days a week to try and survive.
    There is no way you can have a company here in white and survive.
    The economy is in free fall at the moment.
    Personally it works out well for me as I will come in later and pick up deals on land etc.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    25 Do you think this could be linked to Brazil's decline as a football Nation?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    @ 27
    Football spaces need to be practiced by young people. Brazil has no more these spaces.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    25. That's not true, the USA produces and exports 2X more food than Brazil.

    It is apparent you have been brainwashed with Brazilian/Marxist propaganda.

    Quick question which 12 hours do you have water? Morning or Night?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cornelius

    At Brasileiro you also are becoming the fastest welfare country in the world right out communist with a president that is an idiot and stupid just like all the Bolivarian plague in South America

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Food is not only grains! Beef, chicken, pork, and even sheep .... are the largest producers and exporters in the world. Beans are the second, but putting it all together are the largest producers of food on the planet and largest exporters also.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axmsleE9enA&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=20

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • KikeUshuaia

    @25 And where does this “Brazilian technology” come from? Normally one starts reading history books from the beginning, not just where one pleases!

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    31. USA exports U$118B of food Brazil U$55B of food products. Everything you listed would be included in that figure.

    I know your a bit dim but numbers don't lie only Marxists.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @31
    You should keep in mind that Brazil is great by South American standards, not western world standards. Crime, poverty, drugs, child prostitution and environmental vandalism are truly horrific problems in Brazil.

    Anyway, your comments have nothing to do with Argentinas asset car boot sale and spurious legal claims.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    YB talking to Braz is tantamount to talking to a wall........in one of the WC stadiums, the one they lost in. This is someone that uses utube to make a point........is like writing a novel in crayola.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-15/brazil-economy-in-june-fell-most-in-13-months-as-retail-slumped.html

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-15/brazil-economy-in-june-fell-most-in-13-months-as-retail-slumped.html

    #27 yes you noticed also they are dropping off the earth as a football nation?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rick from Maryland

    Oh yea... That's going to bring in forign (or even domestic) investors!!!

    Who would be stupid enough to try to open a business there and if it fails be subject to charges of “Terrorism”?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    The Argentine government really knows how to attract foreign investments, don't they?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I am just waiting for the car mfgs to pack up. I would think it sometime right after they are told their U$ have been converted to pesos just before the next devaluation.
    Coming soon to a theater near you.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    From the sublime to the ridiculous and on past ludicrous.

    Hell hath no fury!!!

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jbrenn

    She is a feisty one - I like her!

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wallace

    yay, lets do business in Argentina. If we are unprofitable and have to close down, the government will charge us as terrorists because it garners popular support.

    Que delusion, not just the government, but the people who swallow this claptrap. I may have to leave this country soon. I don't know how much more I can take.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    This is it. The beginning of the end for her. Really stoopid move. They are on the way out. Just creating some diversion.

    I haven't heard the K defenders for a week at least. Where are them? Ashamed? Packing-up?

    On the flip side, this will have a cost for Argentinians at large but I rather go through the pain of another crisis if that means these people will be out for good.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • owl61

    My Argentine friends are excited that the Nev Ct has permitted discovery into assets held by Baez. That is truly important because it is thought that Baez was the conduit for Mr & Ms K ill-gotten plunder out of the country whose assets she so vociferously now defends. What a fraud she is. She'll make Menem look like a piker.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Can the nationalization of Citibank be far behind?

    LMAO

    ROF

    SMPIH

    Can you visualize a carrier anchored for all the portenos to admire? And maybe a couple of drones swarming the pink house like mosquitos? What could they do? Burn trash in the streets? Bang on pots?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ira Curtis

    I am not expert to any degree in the RG constitution, But isn't there anything that permits impeachment of a president that so clearly acts against his country? If she is still considering the next presidential nomination, then the culprits are you RG's. It is not rocket science math to calculate how much this is going to cost the RG economy in the very near future. Wake-up It might be already little too late!

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    HSBC are already being investigated.

    “AFIP raided HSBC for alleged money laundering”

    http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=753783

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    They clearly need a better President. I have heard that Mickey Mouse is free..

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Oh I agree with CFK. This terror is being directed by vulture funded terrorists on Wall Street to undermine the economies of Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela......etc...
    The North American puppet authorities talk nonsense that they can play a role in Latin America pursuant to such diplomatic policy as “balanced diplomacy,” hard to implement but it results in inviting disgrace and humiliation.
    It cites facts proving that the despotic Washington D.C. authorities' diplomatic policy of pursuing the international cooperation in their efforts to implement a policy of confrontation with Argentina is throwing them into an evermore bottomless quagmire.
    Now is the time for Latins to draw a line in the sand. Bravo CFK!

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    “Now is the time for Latins to draw a line in the sand. Bravo CFK!”

    Bring it on. lol. Can you say cruise missle?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    CFK: you and the SOB of your deceased husband are the worst thing that has happened to this country.

    She will not stop until they see us turned into a southern venezuela: a shitty banana republic ruled by a rich dictator who knows better than me what to do with my money and my business.

    FU very much. Roth in hell.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    USA police department shoots and kills unarmed minor... then for no reason send out military swat teams to the streets (with no authorization) to harass citizens!

    The next day, the same police department starts shooting tear gas and water cannons at peaceful demonstrators!

    And if all the above wasn't enough, yesterday they actually ARRESTED journalist and media, with no justification! And after that, they forced civilians in public spaces to surrender their CAMERAS AND PHONES from filming them in one of the most blatant breaches of freedom of public watching I have ever heard!! (when one is in a publicly maintained street, with your money, and when filming public authorities, that get paid with your money... as long as you keep a minimum 3 meter distance at least where I live you have COMPLETE RIGHT to film!!)

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/14/journalists-report-aggressive-police-action-while-covering-ferguson/

    What a tyranny!!!!

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Troll Shut up.

    The title should read: Hood rat removed from hood.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/15/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    @51 troll

    http://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/46407/0x0/cfk.jpg

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Nostril… Meanwhile the US and Britain are helping to avert a massive humanitarian disaster in Iraq. Get a sense of proportion. It may be that a policeman made an error, but rioting in the streets doesnt help anyone. Your warped view of the world is screwing you up.

    Meanwhile your leader is trying to deflect the public from her serial failure to manage your country's economy. Turn your attention to that.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @52

    Aren't we talking about terrorism? The above fits.

    This too:

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/bondi-racist-bus-attack-jewish-schools-on-alert-after-eight-males-threaten-to-cut-schoolchildrens-throats-five-teenagers-arrested/story-fni0cx4q-1227015860427?nk=e28f3da00e44e373b85ebcd084fcbe97

    Let's see... if I had to chose “terrorism” against a foreign company, and terrorism against citizens, minors, and children... I choose the former.

    Corporations are not people, no matter what the delusional Anglos believe.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @25.

    You stupid argentine twat.

    You are posting spelling Brasil, and Brasilian with a Z.

    LMFAO at you ya prick!!

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • najseba

    how stupid. Government through bad policies year after year reduces offer, reducing productivity, security, increasing costs, and they pretend enterprises won-t leave the country. They also act like if everyone owes them something. Poor people, poor country. They also favour luxury industries through credits, like arts and musical instruments, instead of functional industries (normal goods) and the agro. They seem to have some romantic delusions, like reactionaries from the XIX century.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @57

    Look, foreign capitalism had a chance to convice Argentines in the 1990s that their system was superior, and they made a calamity out of it.

    That system is not returning. And even if it were, the population of Argentina today is not capable of adapting to competition and a lower standard of living that capitalism would bring.

    It's simple as that really.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • welshyakusa

    @21 Brasileiro What Brasil are you living in?????? it cant be the same one as i have lived in for the last 7 years, or maybe you i a parrell universe, Brasil just dosen't work WHY???? everything is built on corruption, Oh yes Brasillian Technology that a friggin joke is just a poor copy of western Technology , So get your head out your backside and please stop making ridiculous comments

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Perhaps the civilized world should consider Argentina a terrorist nation and take appropriate action. I mean afterall, one can hardly say they are governed.....I would put Argentina closer in line to Somalia.....it is clearly a rogue nation.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @56

    “you stupid Argentine twat”

    Just like I asked in the other thread, where people suggested everything Argentina had was stolen, and when I retorted the same of the UK everyone was indignant..

    Why can you say that about us, but we can't insult you back?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    @58 ???
    I guess you are talking about this standard of living http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Villam2.jpg

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    And you know under capitalism it would get MUCH worse.

    It's just the reality, I'm not casting judgement on capitalism, just stating a fact. They would stop receiving ANY aid whatsoever, because the government would be forced-strapped to cut all social programs, and then those people would never find a job because they are completely ill-prepared to compete. Besides the fact foreign companies being racist would never hire them because they are “dark”.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Obviously you are on the K titty drinking her sour milk.
    The fact is many here do not want to work or have any desire to find a job.

    No one wants to hire because either: 1./ The unions make employers pay 35% more in wages every 6 months 2./ After 3 months the employee stops showing up late and sends you a lawyers letter saying you owe them 6 months wages.
    3./ The employee steals from you so you fire them and still have to pay out 30k pesos!.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #61 looks like villa 31

    But don;t laugh, those are the voters whom keep that twat in power. They have raw wires tapped into overhead power lines drapped all over the place.....even on the ground. Public safety......job #1.

    Besides the fact foreign companies being racist would never hire them because they are “dark”.

    Coming from a country that has no black people?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @63

    And what's your solution to that, dear Florentino?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wallace

    @58 Its your narcissistic culture that makes Argentines think the world is out to get them, most westerners couldn't give a f**k about what happens in Argentina. I have lived here a few years now and I have had enough. The last decade should have been a major boom for Argentina like it was for Canada and Australia. Argentina barely kept their head above water and CFK's “won” decade is not really that great by international standards and is definitely not sustainable. All Argentines will be paying the price soon for this poor government.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @66

    So why is such a crime when we don't give a f--- about what happens in your countries? Or in Iraq, etc?

    We don't.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Speak for yourself Trolly.
    Personally I would like to see Macri get into office with Elisa Carrio guarding the books to bring back confidence.
    The get rid of every union in this country

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wallace

    @67 its not a crime. I would like Argentina to be like a good neighbour who you get along with. At the moment though, Argentina is like a neighbour who is always coming over to borrow the sugar but never gives anything back, then on the one night of the year you have a party, they call the police on you.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    @55 Kim Jong Tobi

    Those are really Muslims not Australians. But the politically correct media is more comfortable ith labeling them as “nazis”...

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • najseba

    Argentina in the nineties was much better on governance than it is nowadays. The numbers and the facts don't lie. Just check oil and energy rentability and production. There were more respect for property rights, a good business climate, corruption was as high as it is now. Public expenditure was much lower, though it didn't profit well the last years of the decade. But the economy scored high in freedom and productivity. People was better. Movement of goods was much better and faster. When you analyse an economy you must see how fast is the movement of goods, if there are bottlenecks, traps, etc. Now it is full of them. You must see that year after year they're reducing their offer, and if offer is reduced, demand is reduced. Because offer is demand. My offer is my demand for resources, my rentability is my demand of goods offered by others. If you grow barriers to this process, you destroy your economy and create inflation. As simple as that. Why is it so difficult to understand? Why so many people tries manage the economy without understanding? Did anyone in government or the public ever read the Say's Law? Ever cared? Guess not. Thus, the outcome.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #67
    It just reveals a complete lack of human empathy
    The poet John Donne summed it up thus:-

    No man is an island,
    Entire of itself,
    Every man is a piece of the continent,
    A part of the main.
    If a clod be washed away by the sea,
    Europe is the less.
    As well as if a promontory were.
    As well as if a manor of thy friend's
    Or of thine own were:
    Any man's death diminishes me,
    Because I am involved in mankind,
    And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
    It tolls for thee.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • najseba

    71# Correcting myself:

    There was corruption in 90s, but it wasn't as high as it is now.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    So now the Americans are classed as terrorist,

    what a funny old world we live in,
    Apparently CFK has just declared that Argentina is the most honest in the world...lol

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    “With me as President, they will not see us on our knees”, says the Kretina.....what a joke...we've seen her on her knees serving Castro, Putin and a few other “heads” (of State)...but doesn't seem to working too well.
    @25 Brazil, “the biggest oil producer in history” ?? you Brazzo , are seriously demented. You have no clue what you are talking about...must have been listening to your 9-fingered idol, Lullasshole : “Nunca na hithtória dethte paíth, produthiu tanto petróllo”...a Pretobáiz é a maió cumpania dethte mundo” !!! get lost Brazzomuzzie piece of shit !

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • najseba

    They are because they are!

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Yep the 90s were much better than the 200s. All the pro market reforms and privatizations of those years have being erased and vilified in the last decade. Also you need to take into account that the statistics of the Ks are all rigged.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    As the picture demonstrates, up yours Argentina, what a disgraceful woman and a supposed leader ,
    And shame on the country, how much more can the people take, before they string her up..

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    Paul Singer is gunning for --- CFK. Lol

    http://www.businessinsider.com/singer-after-kirchner-funds-2014-8

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    78. They have being brainwashed.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • najseba

    57# They didn't have to be convinced. That free markets are superior it is a fact, not an opinion. Capitalism actually raises the standard of living. They need to check the facts, statistical data over the centuries. It is impossible that lowers speed of circulation of good are better than higher speeds. It is only better for bureaucrats so they can control and get something out of it without doing anything. hehe

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    I found this article.
    http://www.argentinaindependent.com/socialissues/humanrights/anti-terrorism-law-causes-rights-concerns/

    Reading between the lines, it seems to be a “do anything” law. Read the section “The Problem of Ambiguity”. Note that the law is aimed at “terrorism and financial crime”. A simple question. Who is most responsible for “financial crime” in argieland? Is it be companies, domestic or international, trying to operate and make a profit? Or is it “the skimmers”? Who's in the best position to “skim”?

    Notice that the decision as to whether an offence has been committed is left to a federal judge. Who appoints a federal judge in argieland?

    As events unfold, I wonder which page of the Mein Kampf playbook the Black Widow is on? We've had the attempt to seize territory on specious grounds to encourage the plebs. We can still see the attempts to exert economic pressure. It's slightly incredible that the Widow has also tried to use the concept of “untermenschen”, denying that the Falkland Islanders even exist. We've seen the rallies, the banners, the chanting. And now “anything” that might have an effect on “the state” is criminal. One must ask what the closure of one plant of one foreign company could have on the burgeoning economy of argieland, latam's brightest ascending star!

    Stamp this hard on argieland. It is both rogue and pariah. It is corrupt and criminal. We only have to look at its apologists. Is there honesty? Is there truth? What does argieland send? An amoral juvenile delinquent, a parrot, a senile war criminal. Oh! and a “foreign” ignoramus and dupe. What do they have in common? They will say anything for money or privileges. But, mostly, they are irrelevant. Except for attempted propaganda. But even “wondrous” argieland has to relate to the real world. And it can't. Isn't it about time that the Widow proved that 100% inflation is “good”?

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  • najseba

    Conqueror: great info, thank you very much.

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  • imoyaro

    Well she's certainly convinced me. I won't be buying any more ReaLemon lemon juice from concentrate, a product I have used for decades. The company is a subsidiary of Motts, a food company based in Texas, but as is prominently displayed on the bottle, the concentrate is from Argentina...

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  • MagnusMaster

    @44 We would celebrate that the Americans come to kick out CFK in the nads. Just make sure to avoid any colateral damage. But I don't think they will do anything if Citybank Argentina gets nationalized.

    @45 Yes, the constitution of Argentina allows indicting a president but only if 2/3rds of Congress votes to indict the president. Since half of Deputies and Senators are Kirchnerist and follow direct orders from CFK it's impossible. The opposition couldn't even indict Boudou who has been processed for criminal charges not once but twice. I'm afraid the only thing we can do is wait until she finishes her term and vote someone else next year.

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  • Chicureo

    To all of you bellicose human scum that question our beloved Cristina Fernández's leadership in defeating these capitalistic vultures trying to destroy the hardworking laborers efforts to feed their families. It is remarkably clear your evil plans include plundering the hard earned savings of the people of Argentina through economic terrorism which will not be tolerated by our noble leadership.
    The vultures have glaringly revealed their true colors! As Cristina has bravely said, “With me as President, they will not see us on our knees”
    If only Chile would take a similar brave stand against the capitalistic pigs that have been continuously investing billions of dollars into our insignificant little wisp of a country...

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  • Brasileiro

    Westerners want to overthrow the Argentine government!

    Babacas!

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @86
    “To all of you bellicose human scum...” Strong words from a shill for criminally corrupt fascists.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Falkland Islands

    most stupid woman, she is going to war with the world soon!

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Poll time.....who is stupider.....Kirchner or Brassie?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Brasiliero,
    These psychopathological beasts who defend the criminal economic terrorism committed by the vile international vulture funds expose their true ridiculous clamour for is nothing but a shrill cry of accusation against the brave leadership of Cristina which is no more than barking at the moon!
    Please continue to defend our noble cause against reason and common sense. ¡Viva la revolución!

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  • golfcronie

    Capitanich says “ No business leader should worry if doing things Ok”, and tell me who decides if they are doing things Ok? Such knobheads in the government. Why do they put out these ambiguous statements, or who thinks them up.

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  • Room101

    It remains to be seenwhetherf that law can be constructively used in these circumstances; it could merely prolong the agony for Argentina.

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  • imoyaro

    @91
    “These psychopathological beasts who defend the criminal economic terrorism ”
    You mean the economic harassment of Uruguay and Paraguay by a corrupt and cowardly Fascist gang of thieves currently running Argentina, right? I guess you figure you can bully them, but soon, you won't even have a functioning army.

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  • Chicureo

    imoyaro,
    You silly bourgeoisie stooge, how dare you question the wisdom of the Justicialismo movement to protect people from bloodsucking international capitalists who prey upon the meager savings of the proletariat.
    Your kind foolishly use the weak doctrine of reason, common sense and fairness as your pitiful defense. How pathetic and certainly you are destined to fail as we will mercilessly crush you with the weapon of singlehearted unity!
    As fellow comrade Brasiliero says: “We must must turn to South America, Asia and Russia. To trade in local currency, invest in new technology and forget Westerners forever.” Wise words comrade Brasileiro.

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  • imoyaro

    @95
    I know you are trying to come across as a Marxist, but unfortunately, it's more of the Groucho than the Karl type. Jajajajajaja!

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    @95

    Another sock puppet!

    Who is pulling your strings ?

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jmackiej

    Well fellow vultures - its time to pick the bones clean.

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    hahaha

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6OZTF-Q8Fo&list=PLRYkPP45bJtt15wcI68D1uvIcccjFe7ic

    Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil Brasil

    I LOVE YOU..........BRASIL!!!!

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  • chronic

    This:

    “Perhaps the civilized world should consider Argentina a terrorist nation and take appropriate action. I mean afterall, one can hardly say they are governed.....I would put Argentina closer in line to Somalia.....it is clearly a rogue nation.”

    ----------------------------------

    It is incontrovertible that Marxism has previously been demonstrated to be a universal failure.

    NOTE:

    Number of Cubans seeking political refuge in other countries since '59:

    1,000,000+

    Number of those seeking refuge in Cuba - other than airplane hijackers:

    0

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Cuba is a hero!

    52 years of determination!
    52 years of freedom!
    52 years showing the way!

    Cuba libre!

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  • Chicureo

    Brasiliero,
    Apparently imoyaro has seen through my ruse and I will have to leave you alone to defend you cause against reason and common sense. I will have to assume the role of Harpo and squeak my horn from time to time...
    Leiard,
    The wise wisdom of Milton Friedman pulls my strings. In late 1973, my country was destroyed by the same similar socialist nonsense that is now occurring in Argentina. Our central bank was a joke, our economy ruined and almost nobody was interested in investing in our future.
    Come and see what Santiago looks like today...

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Chile is very small....like Luxemburgo. But, very well. I know Chile, is a very good country.
    Congratulations!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iul5xxpjngE

    the music at 01:00

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    “Cristina Kirchner ”trying to build an enemy to justify the problems.”

    http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/Sturzenegger-Lo-de-la-Ley-Antiterrorista-es-de-ciencia-ficcion-20140815-0089.html

    Aug 15th, 2014 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @86, you been smoking crack ? you sound like a real asshole, especially in your #95, where you praise an even bigger asshole, “comrade” Brazzo. You and him are a pair of idiots who are envious of anyone successful. It's not the world's fault that you are a rotten failure. It's yours.
    @87 & 99, Brazzo, you demented little muzzie prick, go back to the Gaza Strip, from where you should never have left. In fact, if you love Cuba so much, go and live there...once you realize what a shithole it is, maybe they'll shoot you for trying to escape...great !!
    @103, you prove how ignorant you are...Luxembourg has an area of about 1,000 sq. miles, while Chile has an area of 290,000 sq. miles ...how does that make Chile very small...like Luxembourg ?? Brazzo, pull your head out of your ass and get an education !!

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  • 4n conTroll

    @86

    Chichureo, sarcasm is not your forte.

    Let me say this though. Whether you want to believe it or not, the facts are.... Capitalist DO INVEST in Chile. DO invest in Brazil, in Uruguay, in Mexico.

    THEY NEVER INVESTED IN ARGENTINA.

    What they did in the 1990s was buy up all argentine national companies and infrastructure for PEANUTS (Menem sold them in a very unintelligent way, he gave them away and EVERYONE agrees on this).

    They milked them to death, by charging exorbitant rates much higher than what the average Argentine could pay, and increasing rates at levels much higher than local inflation (they actually somehow got to get price increases according to US or EU inflation, which believe it or not back then was HIGHER than Argentine inflation rates).

    Then starting in 1999 they all closed up the factories that they had bought, and shipped them overseas.

    So not only did they not invest a penny in real production, after getting everything at firesale prices, they actually took what they bought to other countries.

    That is the reason capitalism failed in Argentina. Because it brought massive unemployment and no palpable increase in investment.

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  • Brasileiro

    Comment removed by the editor.

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  • chronic

    Paul, “C - r - e - t - i - n - aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa”

    Cretina, “What do you want, Paul - you are not playing fair!”

    Paul, “ I want what it due me and my merry band of Yankee buckaneers.”

    Cretina, “Argentina is sovereign and will never surrender to you and your vultures. We will continue to resist - in the courts and in the press and if you and your Yankee imperialist scum dare to set foot in the southern hemisphere we will, we will . . . . . we will defend the Republic to the last man and woman.” [sob]

    Paul, “Cretina, it doesn't have to be like this. We can work something out.”

    Cretina, “What would that be, Paul?” [giggles]

    Paul, “We can accept some new ”Super Singer“ commodity delivery contracts, collectible monthly at your port. We'll just exact a small percentage of every soy and corn shipment as payment. This is painless dentistry. We can even loan you some additional cash on this basis. What do you think?”

    Cretina, “I don't know, Paul. I think the people will see this as capitalization . . . I mean capitulation.” [gasps, then sighs heavily]

    Paul, “Let me make it simple for you. It's the soy/corn or we're going to take your collection of Hermes Birken purses stored in Rome and approximately, $107 million dollars that - uh - went missing from Nestor's safe and that we have now tracked to Geneve.”

    Cretina, “Noooooooooo, Paul! You wouldn't.”

    Paul, “Yes, Cretina - I'm sorry but we are going to stop messing around with you and take his stash.”

    Cretina, “OK, Paul. As you say, you can have the soy and corn.”

    Paul, “So everything is set?”

    Cretina, “Just one thing. Can you make an asylum deal for me in southern Europe - Russia so blahhhhhhhhhhhh.”

    Paul, “Done deal.”

    Tune in for the episode of “Paul Singer, Champion for the Agrieved Creditors of the Galaxy!”

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  • Chicureo

    Chronic,
    Very entertaining!
    #105
    No, drinking instead a 2009 Napa Trinchero Cabernet Sauvignon.
    I suggest you learn to understand the irony in my posts and not take them like bait on a hook.
    #106
    When the Peso fell from 1/1 to 4/1 after Carlos left the party at the Casa Rosada, there were several investors that took advantage of cheap property values, but in the most part, resulted in heavy capital investment in Argentina. Mendoza is a perfect example with all the beautiful wineries and resorts. Couple of quick facts:
    Time to set up a foreign owned corporation in Argentina is around 14 months. In Chile it can easily be done in a few days. Factories require tremendous infrastructure investment, and it's impractical to ship it out of Argentina.
    The major facing the industry right now is the complex difficult task of importing replacement parts for the factory assembly lines.

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  • Jmackiej

    TMBOA photograph for this article - is she trying to demonstrate how she takes Killicoffs temperature during cabinet meetings?

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  • 4n conTroll

    @109

    So it took a massive devaluation to get “some” investment (what happened in the 90s then when the climate was supposedly better), in a specific area like viticulture, and hotels. Viticulture would not work well outside a few regions in Mendoza, San Juan and Neuquén, and hotels while good are not a force for industrial or added-value service economies.

    I don't think you can place your hopes as a country on foreigners snapping properties at discount levels. Not a good plan for development.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    The important thing is to live our journey on Earth..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5GThBMksCI

    To Clyde15

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  • Chicureo

    #111
    Besides companies like Chevron that will help develop the shale oil projects, the Chinese will focus billions into mega projects including placing a railway next to Señor Think's abode in Chubut and on to the Pacific coast.
    No real investment from the EU or North America until CFK is gone with her flying monkeys however...

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    Europeans and North Americans are cheaters and thieves. They never invest and break their treaties time and time again.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Yes. And We go on.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #114
    YES, EXACTLY!!!

    Focus only on China and Africa. You know, the ones you can really trust!
    I would add South America, but honestly... Screwing Brazilian mining giant Vale , playing loosely with trade regulations, failing to bargain in good faith as a member of the trading block with Brazil... Sort of has you on their less favorable opinion... Scratch Chile, Peru and Colombia...(too many of the economists have read one of Milton Friedman's books) That leaves your good oil rich friend Venezulea, but apparently they're in it real deep with China. Hmmm.
    Oh well, Nigeria and Angolia are friendly and they have lots of Petro Dollars, so screw the Northern Hemisphere.

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  • Brasileiro

    Maybe you prefer the Spanish engineering. Does not work! It is predictable.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @116

    I prefer to have my honor intact and not have anything to thank EUians and NorthAmoans for. I really don't like those people, sorry can't help it. They are way too arrogant and racist.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    @ 118
    Agreed.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    Pride over riches.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Southamerican PRIDE!

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    Surprise surprise... EVERYTHING I have said about north Hemisphere capitalism, particularly NORTHAMOAN crony capitalism is mentioned here:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-big-employers-like-starbucks-have-all-the-leverage-171854676.html

    “Starbucks got a jolt recently from a New York Times article describing the harrowing schedule one of its part-time baristas must work. Jannette Navarro, a 22-year-old single mom in San Diego, works an erratic schedule generated by software, with only a few days’ notice given each week. The unpredictable and irregular hours cause chaos as Navarro tries to arrange childcare for her 4-year-old son...”

    “because big employers such as Starbucks still exert most of the leverage in the relationship between companies and their workers....”

    “It’s getting harder for nearly everyone to get ahead...”

    “Union membership and public support for unions are both in sharp decline, leaving little recourse for many workers these days...”

    “Corporations are growing more powerful. Crony capitalism has been very good to corporate America. Recent Supreme Court decisions have given corporations more ways to fund favored politicians...”

    No one wants to emulate the corrupted, tyrannical NorthAmoan economic model. It is an utter embarrasing FAILURE that with such a massive advantage over the rest of the world, basically corporations having free reign and people having no rights, they can't manage 7-8% growth!

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Perhaps Westerners of America is not our goal. They are too stupid for us to have concerns. They are dying alone.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Chuckle chuckle chuckle...

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    God has blessed Argentina and Brazil with untold heavenly riches, but has also cursed them with politicians from hell.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 04:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    Brasileiro, were you the chief engineer at the flyover that collapsed? Judging by the quality of your comments and the amount of free time you now seem to have, I imagine so. I lived in SP ten years and never met a brasileiro as wacky as you.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    That's because he's really an Argie

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC
    As I see it…:
    1) The Argentinean subsidiary of RR Donnelly, an US-based international printing firm owned by a diversity of Yankee Vulture Funds, closed its doors and filed for bankruptcy last week…

    2) At that time, RR Donnelly's actives were about 40% higher than its passives..., a fact that makes me conclude that their closing was not economically but politically motivated…

    3) As far as I know, RR Donnelly has taken ALL legal previsions to pay ALL its creditors and ALL their workers redundancies… (What a “strange” bankruptcy)

    4) Because of point (3) above, the Argentinean administration should refrain from any futile legal action against RR Donnelly... BUT make it absolutely clear to the public that this FAKED BANKRUPCY is indeed a sheer act of Economical Terrorism oriented against the Argentinean people…

    ………As it happened in Chile in the Good Ol´ Days when similar acts of US Economical Terrorism forced a then young cadet Chicureo to eat odd tasting frozen Soviet fish and wipe his tender behind in Arabs style...
    ;-)

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  • downunder

    “Cristina Fernandez will use anti-terrorism law against US company that closed its Argentine plant”

    This story has the wrong title, it should be

    “Christina gives the bird to the world”

    You really see people in their true colours when the chips are down, but given the history of her government, what else can we expect?

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    Definitions of “democracy” - “A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives”, “A state governed under a system of democracy”, “Control of an organization or group by the majority of its members”, and “The practice or principles of social equality”.

    Does Argentina qualify as a democracy under these definitions? I think not!

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  • Anglotino

    Seems this isn't as abrupt as the government makes out.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/rr-donnelley-letter-regarding-the-bankruptcy-of-rr-donnelley-argentina-sa-2014-08-16?reflink=MW_news_stmp

    “The business of RRDA is not solvent.

    RRDA has experienced a decrease in sales and does not foresee any improvement in the foreseeable future.

    At every point in this decision, RRDA followed all Argentinian laws and regulations as they apply to these business decisions.

    During the analysis of alternatives, many discussions and considerations took place including, among other things, the following:

    RRDA obtained a Programa de Reproducción (”Repro”) in September 2013. However, the local union elected not to sign it thereby preventing RRDA's proposed corrective actions and therefore worsening even more the economic and financial situation.

    For three months RRDA had multiple meetings directly with the national and local unions in advance of filing bankruptcy seeking a Crisis Prevention Plan (requesting a reduction of headcount in order to draw closer to profitability), but no solutions were acceptable to the unions.

    RRDA met with and filed a petition with the National Ministry of Labor proposing a reduction in headcount at the facility. This was also brought to the Provincial Ministry of Labor. Prior to filing for bankruptcy, both Ministries of Labor informed RRDA that they did not support the proposal.

    Because RRDA was left with no other solutions for the many crises facing it, including rising labor costs, inflation, materials price increases, devaluation, inability to pay debts as they become due, and other issues, the independent decision was made to file for bankruptcy.“

    So ELEVEN MONTHS ago they started to attempt to fix this problem.

    So much for some who Think this was ”faked”. Seems they asked for help and the government didn't help.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    http://investor.rrd.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=866592

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I think the humorous content of some posts was lost along the way. I enjoyed them. :)

    @132 I have no doubt that they tried everything before taking such drastic action. It seems to be a pattern in dealing with unions and government in Argentina. It is all about 'me, me, me,' and 'demand', not about what is good for the company/country in the long term. Can anyone actually look long term in Argentina? Are they so used to surviving day to day, from one crisis to the next, that the future is irrelevant? It could explain a lot.

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  • Jonaz_BsAs

    @129 Think

    As a owner of a business in Argentina myself, your comment makes me understand that Argentina is, at this stage, f@cked beyond repair. Your miscomprehension of how a business is run is so profound, so out of whack that any repair seems impossible. The fact that you share this miscomprehension with millions of your CAMPORAtriots leads me to understand that I'll have to close my business as well. ASAP, that is.

    1) &2) If RR Donnelly has concluded that their Argentine subsidiary is unprofitable IT'S IN THEIR RIGHT to close it down whenever they want to. Anything but is Soviet-style central planning, the experiment that brought the most pain to the human race EVER.

    3) So a disorderly bankruptcy, like the 2001 Argentine economic melt-down, is better? You have clearly not spent one iota of time running a business. Are you an UBA ivory tower mercenary or just a PJ thug? Whatever your background, your attitude will clearly destroy whats is left of decency in the Argentina and set your country back decennials.

    4) Faked bankruptcy - what the hell is that supposed to be? I tell you what it is - it's populistic invention, made up to pull the curtain down on millions of Argentines that has been deprived of a proper education.

    With citizens like yourself, Argentina deserves misery and will surely achieve just that. You are a menace to your own people and a harbinger of decline.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    135 Jonaz_BsAs (#)

    Well said Sir!

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 129 Lunatic

    Slam dunk AGAIN.

    Blown away by Anglotino and Jonaz_BsAs.

    Off to hide in your hell-hole again!

    Boy, are you stupid as well as a lunatic, Lunatic.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (135) Jonaz_BsAs

    As a common citizen of Argentina myself, your comment makes me understand that Fundamentalist Neo-Liberal Anglo Ex-Pats like you are f@cked beyond repair...
    Your miscomprehension of how social conscience works is so profound, so out of whack that any repair seems impossible. The fact that you share that miscomprehension with many other Anglo Ex-Pat Turnips in the whole of the Non Anglo World leads me to understand that you closing your business in Argentina would be the very best for both parts...

    2) RR Donnelly is free to conclude that their Argentine subsidiary is unprofitable and IT'S IN THEIR RIGHT to close it down whenever they want to..., that goes without saying...
    But filing for “Bankruptcy Protection” when your books are SOLIDLY IN THE BLACK can only be called for what it is...: A political motivated FAKE BANKRUPCY...

    3) I'm quite uninterested about “Who” or “What” you are but..., whatever your background, your attitude resembles the one of a London Mufti demanding the introduction of Sharia Law, just because he “Knows Better”..., clearly destroying what's left of England and setting your country back centuries...

    4) With Anglo Ex-Pats like Mr. Klingon, Mr. Mendoza Canadian, Mr. Chris.R and yourself, residing in MY COUNTRY and vecinity, calling for military coups, magnicides, lynching in the streets and I don't know how many other niceties, misery for Argentina is, indeed guaranteed.

    5)You Sir are a GUEST in Argentina...
    An undesired and menacing one in my humble opinion...
    Wishing you a safe trip home...
    I remain at your service...
    El Think

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  • imoyaro

    @129
    “The Argentinean subsidiary of RR Donnelly, an US-based international printing firm owned by a diversity of Yankee Vulture Funds...”

    It's funny, this statement is made, yet at no point has the evidence of this relationship been presented, and I should think it could be. For example, it is entirely demonstrable that Baez has over 100 shell corporations, several sharing an office in the Seychelles. You can look it right up on the Nevada state website. Where's the information trail on this claim? Do you have one? I'd be interested to know.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Haha even poor Think can't pretend any longer judging by how upset he has been getting.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 138 Lunatic

    Ah, diddums, did the nasty man who knows what he is on about and actually owns a business in TDC 'piss on your chips' as they say in that alter-ego for TDC, Liverpool. UK?

    Now I wonder who will get it first: TMBOA, Gollum (where is he, he is keeping his head down) CaptainDismal or your idol: Kickitoff?

    We can only hope ALL of them with perhaps No Money Pepe to keep them company.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (139) imoyaro
    You say...:
    “I'd be interested to know”

    I say...:
    Well, if you really are “Interested to Know” I would suggest you learn how to Google...
    Anyhow, just this once..., just for you...:
    http://investors.morningstar.com/ownership/shareholders-major.html?t=RRD

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    OK, I'm kind of late to the dance.

    Frenchie, hold your hand up so I can recognize you.

    And Matias, what is alter ego?

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    140 think

    ”...4) With Anglo Ex-Pats like Mr. Klingon, Mr. Mendoza Canadian, Mr. Chris.R and yourself, residing in MY COUNTRY... “

    ”You Sir are a GUEST in Argentina...
    An undesired and menacing one in my humble opinion...“

    Please tell us when one becomes a ”true Argentinian“?

    Is it not enough to be someone who has formally thrown his lot in with the fate and well-being of Argentina and Argentinians, citizenship, business investment, land ownership, marriage, friendship, kids ?

    Maybe they lack the ”correct “ ethnicity ?
    Does Argentina have a second tier of citizens?
    How many generations after immigrating and becoming a citizen, with a common destiny, are non-Latin immigrants and their descendants become fully ”Argentinian“, when they vote and speak the way ”true Argentinians“ like El Think tell them to?
    Is that revoked when they think things through, independently?

    Is El Think a ”true citizen“ and ”equal partner “ of the state he emigrated to in the EU, or a ”menacing” ex-pat, who should be told what to do?

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  • imoyaro

    @142 Okay, which of these companies is linked to Singer et al? Looking at the various “vulture fund” companies listed on the web, none of the entities seem to be on this list. Naturally, these funds have companies within companies, but again, which ones on the list are involved with the court case against Argentina?

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  • Think

    (145) imoyaro
    You are a lazy Anglo Turnip...., aren't you....?

    The Argentinean government said yesterday about RR Donnelley...:
    “Entre sus principales propietarios figuran los fondos de inversión Blackrock Inc., Capital World Investors, The Vanguard Group Inc. y State Street Corporation.
    Estos grupos inversores son socios del fondo de inversión Elliott Management Corporation, perteneciente al magnate Paul Singer... ”
    http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=754176

    And ”Who” are on the top of the list of Donnelley's owning institutions I previously linked you to...?
    http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=754176

    That's right..:
    Blackrock Inc., Capital World Investors, The Vanguard Group Inc. And State Street Corporation and several other Vulture Funds...

    Please educate yourself...

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  • yankeeboy

    How is a 400 person subsidiary of a USA company closing such a big deal? The Arg gov't employees 3.5MM people which is over 1MM more than the USA gov't. Almost 10% of the population is employed by the gov't. Yeah that's sustainable.
    I am sure they can pick up another 400 until everything collapses.
    What's the big deal?

    Methinks they are worried this is the first of many and if they try to intimidate them the other will have pause.

    Too bad it doesn't work that way

    The next are the car mfgs

    Wait until they lock up the factories and leave...in the dead of night with all the USA execs on a plane out of the horrible place before anyone notices.

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  • imoyaro

    @146

    Allow me to return the compliment, you are a Viveza Criolla kurepi, aren't you? You name 4 entities, one of which appears on the list. Any proof of a connection with that one? Other than the kleptocrat's assertion that it is so?

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  • chronic

    Hey, which one of you is gas bags is Frenchie? And Matias - who are you masquerading as?

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • KikeUshuaia

    @ Brasileiro, your cheered on Embraer only manages to stay up thanx to Yankee technology!

    http://www.rockwellcollins.com/sitecore/content/Data/News/2013_Cal_Yr/CS/FY14CSNR04-EmbraerHGS.aspx

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  • Chicureo

    You know Señor THINK, I remember in the early 80's when Chile's currency was devalued, due to the stupidity of the Chicago Boys, many foreign companies closed their doors abruptly as they saw the “handwriting on the wall”...

    If we see a similar trend with car assembly facilities in Argentina, perhaps then the situation is far worse than what was thought...

    I do agree however that “similar acts of US Economical Terrorism forced” upon young tender Argentine youth to “eat odd tasting frozen Soviet fish” and worse would be a terrible crime.

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  • yankeeboy

    Stupid people always think there is a conspiracy behind every action.

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  • Think

    (148) imoyaro
    Kurepa I am..., indeed.
    But I'll have to correct my evaluation about you...
    You are not just a lazy Turnip... You are a Complete Internet Illiterate Lazy Turnip...
    Now, listen carefully, I'm going to say this only once...:
    1) Press the following link...: http://investors.morningstar.com/ownership/shareholders-major.html?t=RRD
    2) Under the subtitle “ Mayor Shareholders RRD” you will find a flag titled...: “Institutions”
    3) Press that flag...
    4) Voilà...:
    Number 1&2 ...: Capital World Vulture Fund...
    Number 3...: Vanguard Group Vulture Fund...
    Number 4...: Black Rock Vulture Fund...
    Number 7...: State Street Vulture Fund...
    ....As I suggested before... Educate yourself!

    (151) Chicureo
    If we saw a similar trend in Argentina, the situation would indeed be worst than thought...
    But that is NOT what we are seeing, is it...?
    Anyhow... stay tuned and keep strong, hermanito Shileno...

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  • cornelius

    How can the Argentine tolerate their insane and corrupt leader this country is a joke! who will trust them how can they prosper again.
    They are the fastest free fall economy in the world!

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  • imoyaro

    @153
    It's kurepi, not kurepa...there is a difference in nuance, the former dates from the war and is, shall we say, more abusive than the latter, more modern term. As for the entities, thanks, I am gratified to know that they are behind this. ;)

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  • Think

    Whooooooo willllll trussssssst themmmmmmm...?”
    Asks Turnip (154), in his most dramatic voice...

    Well... For starters... Yesterday..., the Granddaddy of all things Vulture..., Mr. György Schwarz did “Trust” 1/3 of his London Black Wednesday winnings in Argentina ...

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Argentina is not the fastest free fall economy in the world.
    They can turn the situation around if they wish.
    The country has a large literate homogeneous workforce with vast productive agricultural production and tremendous natural resources.
    Unfortunately, the worst enemy of the country's advancement, is those responsible to supposedly to do so.
    ...staying tuned...

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  • Think

    (155) imoyaro

    As an Argie, with the historical debt we have with Paraguay, the term “Kurepa” fits just right...
    That's why I utilised it...
    ...As our president so clearly expressed it in 2011...:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=J94wpDpHCL0

    But.... I can't avoid somehow resenting the chutzpah of an Anglo Turnip (that most probably doesn't speak Spanish, nor any other South American language)trying to teach me the “Difference in Nuance” of a Guaraní term...

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  • imoyaro

    @158
    Feel free to resent or “think” whatever you like. You have continued to harass the Paraguayos, no matter what you or your “president” says. Failing to pay for electricity, excluding them from Mercosur after a regime change which , like or no, was legal according to their constitution, and building a Russian style nuclear power plant on their border seems a strange way to to repay a “historical debt.” I think a return of Chaco and Missiones provinces to the original owner would be a more believable gesture.
    More on topic, I think that given her current histrionics I am reminded of the saying from the Sertao, “Quem tem que morrer, nao chora.”

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    With me as President, they will not see us on our knees”, she added
    For we feel most comfortable on our backs…lolol
    .

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    Terrorist bankruptcy - Just a way of governing - finding scapegoats.

    http://www.clarin.com/opinion/quiebras-terroristas_0_1194480620.html

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Leiard, thanks for the link.
    The Clarin commentary strikes me as a perfect example how the current government manipulates law to “terrorize” companies to conform to CFK's wishes: “La ley establece un agravante genérico de las penas para cualquier delito que se cometa con el fin de aterrorizar a la población, abriendo el proceso de criminalización a conductas que jamás fueron pensadas como actos terroristas”.
    For those of you wishing a translation, with all due kind respect and apologies to Lewis Carroll: “When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
    “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things. The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master— that's all.”
    ...well that's not quite the exact translation, but the idea is about the same...

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  • chronic

    Che(s) hates America, but for some strange reason I continue to get calls/emails/texts from various ones seeking help with employment and or work visas in - are you ready for it - the U.S.A.. Che, if you hate America so much - stay in rotting roadkill and enjoy everything that is Cretina Incorporated. lol

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  • lsolde

    @153 & 158 Think,
    Reduced to arguing with yourself now, Think?
    Of course, we know, it is not Argentina's fault.
    lt is ALWAYS someone else's fault.
    What next, comrade?
    All the car factories closing?
    Sad.

    Aug 16th, 2014 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    It takes a positive mindset to get a positive result.

    But I think much of the world buys the popular misconception that fighting gets you something. Maybe you get the scraps. But it exhausts you.

    From what I can tell, most worker gains in the U.S. have been signed for only in an upturning economy. Or an upturning industry, like Henry Ford paying twice the salary of normal labor.

    Look at Google engineer kids, 22 years old making $100k.

    I wish my Argentine ex? friend could see the U.S.

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (164) Isolde babykins...

    Please stop stalking...
    I have told you many times...
    You are far too young for me and them kids need you...
    Besides... It wouldn't be right to take the girl of one of me mates grandsons...

    Yours truly
    El Think
    :-)))

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  • Troy Tempest

    166 ThinkVoice

    ew, what a creep!

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    God my skin crawls when old men talk like that.

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @166 Think,
    You wish.
    But you don't get.
    Stop having yourself on, Think.
    And stop deflecting.
    Did l hit a raw nerve?

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    Automotive industry - more lay-offs, falling production and sales.

    http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/Automotrices-mas-suspensiones-y-caida-de-la-produccion-20140816-0009.html

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    168
    Yeah it's a bit like seeing two guys sticking their tongues down each others throats....

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (171) A_Voice
    :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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  • ilsen

    Oh dear. This thread has just fallen off a cliff.

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Och ya cannae beat the ol' one liners....;-)

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    The real terrorists in this country are the thousands of criminals running loose. They are the ones who are threatening the citizens. Along with the government. Remember when cfk said that you have to be afraid of God and me? In 2012 there were 543 murders in Canada and 2237 in Argentina. Everyday the news is full of reports of murder, theft and assault.

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  • ilsen

    Invoking anti-terrorist laws against a foreign company who considered your economic mismanagement so inept that they had to declare bankruptcy and go home?
    She is utterly barking mad. No government or multinational can possibly take her seriously now.

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Whatever floats your boat A_Voice.

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (175) EX- PAT Canadian living in Mendoza for reasons unknown...
    You murdering Canadian dastards...!
    534 murders in Royal Canada during 2012...!
    That's ~1,6 murders per 100,000 inhabitants...!
    Double the murder rate of any Scandinavian Country..., four times Japan's...
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Having a closer look at the statistics linked above, one can see that..:
    1) Chile and Argentina are the safest Countries in all of Latin America with respectively 3.1 & 5.5 murders per 100,000 inhabitants...
    Significatively lower than the world average of 6.3 murders per 100,000 inhabitants...
    And much..., much... lover than Canadian Nunavut and the Northwest Territories with respectively 14.8 & 11.5 murders per 100,000 inhabitants...
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Back on topic:

    The Argentine government's ridiculous charges of “Terrorism” against a foreign company to punish them and intimidate others, for declaring bankruptcy.

    Why should a company continue to operate, if it is not viable?
    Why should a foreign company, with foreign money invested, continue to operate if any profits cannot leave the country to return to investors?

    They were investors, and employers, but not a charity.

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    That's right, why should they when it's not viable...
    Although what usually happens is they give notice to employees and close the company....
    They don't declare themselves bankrupt if at all possible...something is definitely amiss....
    Although I don't really understand the Bankruptcy bit....in the UK bankruptcy only applies to individuals not companies.....

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  • chronic

    cerviche, it is time to decloak. Are you ashamed of who you are?

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @178
    http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/167254/decadence-blues-failing-to-see-our-own-decline

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    Surely bankrupcy is well defined in Argentine law from well before the time of the K administrations.

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  • Anglotino

    So now Canada’s intentional homicide rate is DOUBLE any Scandinavian country and four times Japan’s?

    Which means that Argentina’s is nearly FOURTEEN times Japan’s. And with Finland’s rate of 1.6 in 2012 and Norway’s rate of 2.2 in 2011, it would seem that some people should research better. Double 2.2 is 1.6? Only according to INDEC I guess.

    So 5.5 murders per capita is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than 6.3? Wow, then how lucky are places like the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand with rates of 1.0, 1.6, 1.1 and 0.9. Now they are SIGNIFICANTLY lower than 6.3.

    “Chile and Argentina are the safest Countries in all of Latin America with respectively 3.1 & 5.5 murders per 100,000 inhabitants...”

    Erm no! Chile with 3.1 then Cuba with 4.2 then Argentina with 5.5. Higher than even the US.

    “And much..., much... lover than Canadian Nunavut and the Northwest Territories with respectively 14.8 & 11.5 murders per 100,000 inhabitants...”

    What a disgustingly high rates of murder. I mean that equates to FIVE PEOPLE PER YEAR in Nunavut and FIVE PEOPLE PER YEAR in Northwest Territories.

    Yes 10 people.

    Why just today, SIX PEOPLE would have been murdered in Argentina.

    In just one day Nunavut’s entire annual murder rate was exceeded. Just a normal Tuesday in Argentina. Wednesday is Northwest Territories turn.

    That is what is so interesting when you shrink the population down. Northwest Territories had a murder rate of 0.00 in both 2005 and 2006. Hard to beat that. Especially if you live in Rosario in Santa Fe province which is currently estimated to have a rate of 15.1.

    According to some, NW Territories’ rate is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than Rosario’s.

    But then Argentina doesn’t publish very reliable statistics.

    www.unodc.org/documents/gsh/pdfs/2014_GLOBAL_HOMICIDE_BOOK_web.pdf

    Anyway back to the economy.

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  • Conqueror

    @87. Yeah, we'll have to stop that. Why would we want to invest billions of pounds (not dollars) in a country struggling toward proper democracy, freedom, equality, honesty despite being urged to do the opposite by a “state” dedicated to belligerency, corruption, criminality, deviancy, genocide, grand larceny, mendacity, nepotism, xenophobia?
    @88. No we don't. We want to crap on it. Look up and open your mouth. Swallow.
    @100. Brasil and Brazil are nuts. Quite often offered at Christmas. When they are crushed.
    @102. Cuba is a pillock. 52 years behind the times. 52 years of poverty. 52 years of paddling across shark waters seeking real freedom.
    @107. And who would invest in corruption and criminality? A “state” that thieves? Synonym for “shit”. Argieland.
    @115. See! We are learning from you. Why don't you learn from us?
    @116. Into oblivion. 50 years tops!
    @118 - 124. Middle of the night. How to get a few comments on. But just as a thought, what would latams know about honesty, honour or truth? It can't “do” any of them now. It couldn't do any of them then. Shite for centuries.
    @167, 168. Have to agree. What a disgusting anal creep Twinky is revealed to be. But we must remember that this is in public. How many young females has this paedophile entrapped? Is it just females? Is anything safe against him? Over time we have seen the lies, the prevarication, the half-truths, the semantic obfuscation. How do we spell Twinky? S -H -I- T -E.

    But it's not the only one. Most of argieland is composed of S -H -I- T -E.
    Apologies to the tiny minority of Argentines who have a grasp of democracy, freedom, honesty, responsibility and truth.

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  • Brasileiro

    You should talk about countries that have people living. Not worth talking about Chile, Norway or Australia. The weather was not good with them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ3NZMb34_I

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Think is claiming Argentina is safer than Canada?
    Do all these idiots live in an upside down world?
    I bet you couldn't find one 'express kidnapping' in all of Canada in the last decade. BA alone has 100s a day! Of course the go mostly unreported since people are too afraid of the Police and authorities to report them.
    U$4B is owed to rg exporters and ports are now paid cash in advance.
    It won't be long now....

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  • Gremlin

    The thought that jumps out is that being the usage of laws like that so far from the intended purpose is a very dangerous thing- sooner or later there will be a government not made of the current group or their allies, and that government will be using precedents set by the current behaviour.

    So, how much effort would it take for a law like that to be used in a corruption case in, oh, a couple of years time?

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  • BOTINHO

    Argentina: “ The Eternal Victim. ”

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Yankeeboy,
    I don't know about your claim about Canada being so safe...
    Their national game of ice hockey is incredibly violent with players bloodily beating up each other with sticks and they have all those vicious man eating polar bears wandering around at night...
    Does anyone know how just how many are fatally run over by drunken snowmobile drivers alone?
    How many Argentines get eaten by bears anyway? See, I rest my case...

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  • Think

    TWIMC

    I can personally vouch and guarantee that in the Chubutean departments of Florentino Amhegino, Gastre, Languiñeo, Mártires, Paso de Indios, and Telsen (Roughly the area of Portugal....) there haven't been in the last many years any homicides, Grizzly attacks or mortal incidents involving that murderous English combination of Croquet Mallets and Pink Gins....

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  • ilsen

    “Argentinean Senate Introduces Sweeping Soviet-Style Economic Plan
    Dictatorship-Era Law of Supply Not Interventionist Enough for Kirchner
    http://panampost.com/belen-marty/2014/08/15/argentinean-senate-introduces-sweeping-soviet-style-economic-plan/
    In yet another aggressive move against private enterprise, Argentinean officials introduced a new bill to the Senate on August 5: the New Regulation of Production and Consumption Relations.

    This legislation aims to replace the current governing Law of Supply by establishing limits on prices, production levels, and profit margins, and has already received harsh criticism from certain industries.

    The Kirchner administration’s goal with this proposal is to “prevent abuse and the misappropriation of the value-chain surplus.”

    The existing law has been in place since the military dictatorship of 1974, which established prison sentences for business owners convicted of “induced shortages.” The principal difference with the government’s new proposal is that it provides further state control over the market in the form of price controls. Once signed into law, it will legally codify the government’s current agreement with suppliers and distributors of products subject to the Careful Prices program.”

    If you want to see how this is going to work out long-term, please visit Venezuela.
    This the path they followed...

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  • Leiard

    Planning Minister Julio De Vido has accused Shell of not investing.

    “Shell invests nothing to produce oil and gas in our country”

    http://www.infonews.com/2014/08/16/politica-157978-de-vido-acuso-a-shell-de-no-invertir.php

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    RR Donnelly has every right to get out of Argentina. The fact that they apparently weren't bankrupt - yet - doesn't mean they had to stay on there until they were, in a lawless, unfriendly business environment. And trying to prosecute them under the anti-terrorism law, is just one more the Kretina's ruses to deflect public opinion from the real problems.
    Regarding the posts between “Brazzo” and “4n ContTroll” (#'s 115 to 124), what a display of stupid remarks....maybe you two idiots should get a room together and work out your frustrations.
    @135 Jonaz_BsAs, right on ! It's pretty obvious that “Think” has never worked for big business, or if he has, must have been cleaning lavatories, 'cause he obviously learnt nothing about the main objective of any business. Other multinationals have also left in the past, due to excessive regulation and corruption. GM set the example in 1978, and went back only 15 years later, invited by Menem. More recently, luxury brands Ralph Laren, Calvin Klein, Cartier also decided to get the hell out (2012) due to the Kretina’s laws that made it difficult to survive. Grupo Eletktra has also left. CFK’s and previous governments have always spent more than they collect in taxes, and to make ends meet, just print money or borrow from international investors - this last option, no more - just going from crisis to crisis.
    @186, “You should talk about countries that have people living. Not worth talking about Chile, Norway or Australia. The weather was not good with them” ?????? WTF ??
    Maybe we should talk about Brazil ?? Nooo...that wouldn't work, you don't know the first thing about it. Perhaps the Gaza strip ? Go back home, that's where you belong, you brain-dead piece of SHITE.

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  • Chicureo

    My argument is with Comrade Yankee boy. As far as #186 comment including my country of Chile, I've already advised the folly to question the wisdom of the Justicialismo movement to protect people from bloodsucking international vultures who prey upon the meager savings of the proletariat.

    If only Bachelet would take a similar brave stand against the capitalistic pigs that have been continuously investing billions of dollars into our insignificant little insignificant wisp of a country that has the best well trained and equipped armed forces in South America. We are currently lmired with a booming economy, high credit ratings, enormous capital reserves and numerous trade agreements throughout the world. Why couldn't we have someone like Cristina instead? It just sucks...

    Getting back to what's important... Yankeeboy to give you an idea of how really dangerous it is to live in Canada...
    According to the International Commission for Alpine Rescue (ICAR), an average of 14 avalanche fatalities have occurred per year there. Add to that all the untold deaths cased by Wolves, black bears, Kodiak bears, polar bears, Grizzly bears, vicious dogs, poisonous spiders, cougars, rattlesnakes, caribou/moose/elk/deer vehicle collisions, and Inuit drunks driving on icy roads... Mind you, you would still have to worry about some drunken Maple Leafs fanatic trying to bash out your brains with a hockey stick...

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  • lsolde

    @194 Chicureo,
    LOL!
    Very humourous.
    Well done.

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Isolde,
    Thank you. I spent one memorable winter in Ottawa as the temporary Defense Attaché during my career in the navy.
    Truthfully, I really like Canadians and their beautiful country. Watch out however for the bears...

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Chicureo - I salute you.

    Nevermind the animals, I would watch out for those damn Yankees with their insidous plots to wipe-out the next generation of Canadian middle-management working in Office Supplies...
    Coke is a Killer!
    ”(12 December 1998, Canada) Kevin, a 19-year-old Quebec student, killed himself at Bishop's University while shaking a 420-kilogram Coke machine. He had been celebrating the end of final exams with friends. Kevin's last act was committed in vain. “Even as it fell over, the vending machine did not let out a single can,” the coroner reported.”
    (Darwin Awards)

    It is obvious the CIA were involved. Another classic 'black-ops' run, apparently they were gonna try this on Castro but the trade embargo foiled their dastardly scheme.
    The Truth Is Out There!

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @191

    You're safe from polar bears in Argentina too. None of that namby pamby shit for dangerous wildlife there.

    http://www.ajc.com/news/news/arturo-sad-polar-bear-will-stay-argentina/ngpFx/

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @193
    re: www.infonews.com/2014/08/16/politica-157978-de-vido-acuso-a-shell-de-no-invertir.php
    Apparently this guy thinks that Shell should invest $100,000,000 to build new wells in Argentina. But not only that, local governors (that actually have oil in their province,) oppose the new Energy Law they are trying to implement, including the governor of Chubut. Strange how “think” says nothing. Unless of course he isn't in Chubut.

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    awwwww.... @Arturo, sad polar bear.
    :-(
    As for those responsible. Kill Them.

    @200
    Why the hell would Shell want to invest in this rat-hole? Argentina is following the Venezuelan path. Expropriation is a major concern for any FDIs.
    You spend the money, they nationalise, you lose. Ulimately Argentina/Kretina will become Arturo....

    “Arturo has been nicknamed the ”world's saddest animal” for looking sad in his small, toasty quarters at the Argentinean zoo. Reports say Arturo often exhibits concerning behavior like baring his teeth and rocking from side to side . (Via YouTube / The Last Atom)
    Winnipeg Humane Society: “He methodically does the same thing over and over and it's really an indication he's slowly going insane.” (Via CBC)”

    Sounds familiar to me....

    (hat tip to HansNiesund for the source)

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    ILSEN,
    ...most likely not the CIA...
    I suspect that it was instead the CSIS that was alerted by the CSE of the COKE machine being tampered with... (Québécois are generally considered foreign terrorists anyway, you know like Céline Dion? So clearly it would be the responsibility and jurisdiction for the CSIS.) Of course the CSE would have sent a full intel report to the NSA....typical...
    Canadians take a very dim view of their vending machines being molested with, especially by bears, which in that case would have resulted in the RCMP handling the perpetrator with extreme prejudice.
    Plus, Canadians love vacationing in Cuba in February. There's very few Americans on the beaches and the Cubans are used to the Canadians tipping almost nothing for service. (Plus, WHO do you think shuttles intel back and forth to the North American mainland?)

    Hans, now you have me concerned. What would happen if indeed the Polar Bear escaped? Oh the terror... Probably he'd wipe out half of the gelato vendors in BA..

    Speaking of terror, Shell found itself with price controls as well as export restrictions, just as the Spaniards experienced with YPF, but I never could figure out why Chevron was willing to invest in the Shale Oil project.

    Don't be too hard on Señor Think. Apparently the Chinese are getting ready to build a cross continental railway to the Pacific that will rumble by his currently tranquil abode and possibly vibrate one of his cherished single single malts off the shelf to crash on the floor... The thought of this terror must keep him up all night...

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Lol!

    Inspired comments!

    PMSL!

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    I knew I would wake up to the delightful situation of once again having Think brush past yet another ignominious back down after another woeful attempt at one upping.

    You would think he would learn but alas he is much like the Argentinean government. If at first you fail, fail fail again.

    But that joy was overshadowed by the introduction of ice hockey into the thread. It wasn't violence that has been laid up with a back injury but just a good old fashion (awesome) fall while playing on Saturday. However just another example of how much my passion hurts. The fact I've been knocked out on the ice already this year and am currently booked into to see a hand surgeon after slicing through half the tendon on my middle finger means a Coke machine would hardly hurt.

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    197 Chureo

    “Thank you. I spent one memorable winter in Ottawa as the temporary Defense Attaché during my career in the navy”

    Then surely you are aware that the Senators in Ottawa are a violent bunch, known for tripping, high-sticking, and throwing punches, with their opponents.

    Certainly you should own up and let the Argie posters know this.

    PS.
    I can't wait 'til they play the Peronists next week in an away game!

    Aug 17th, 2014 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    My Canadian liaison at MARCOM took me to see my very first hockey team game, which was obviously with the Senators playing. Very impressive as was the city of Ottawa. Canadians are a very civilized society until you put the on ice skates and hand them a stick. I've never seen a nation collectively drink so much beer.
    By the way, I predict that the Senators will win against the Peronists team by default...

    Aug 18th, 2014 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Ha ha ha .... !!!

    Aug 18th, 2014 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aimee

    Unfortunately we cannot get rid of her , till januray 2015 . Free of this dictatorship... !

    Aug 18th, 2014 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    206 Chicureo

    Glad you enjoyed your time in Canada!!

    It can be beautiful.

    To be fair - many Americans come across the border to join us drinking whatever they can of the Canadian beers.

    Come back sometime.

    Aug 18th, 2014 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    Thank you Anglo for your clarification. But, my main point originally was the fact that the home-grown terrorists (criminals) in this country get away with murder...literally. They are the ones terrorizing the citizens here. Something cfk deigns to overlook time and time again.

    Aug 18th, 2014 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Unfortunately we cannot get rid of her , till januray 2015

    can you not impeach her, or charge her with ruining Argentina, lies , deceit , corruption , or something..

    Aug 18th, 2014 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aimee

    Briton

    Anything can be done against her , but we are in argentina.. Her type of politics is corruption , menace,impunity so if you are going to do something against here , or you do not do nothing or you start receiving threatens what ? you think we are in “democracy ”, we are going in the same road as venezuela , besides she gives money to judges in order to let her do the things she wants...

    Aug 18th, 2014 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    She then needs to go..

    Aug 18th, 2014 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aimee

    ohh haha .. but she won't .. ! if she goes how does she steal more money ?
    her pride won't allow her to abandon the presidency ... !

    Aug 18th, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (195) Chicureo

    1) There ain't no Ursus Arctos Middendorffi in Canada...
    2) Me Malts are storaged underground... A 9.4 wouldn't even stir them..

    Aug 18th, 2014 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    214

    “She won't ”

    ...unless she can stage a National Day of Mourning, for her dramatic exit

    Aug 18th, 2014 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aimee

    haha with her anything is impossible..

    Aug 19th, 2014 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    How funny, a government formed mostly by former terrorists (currently rich businessman) threatening to use anti-terrorist laws ...

    Aug 19th, 2014 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    According to today's La Nación, the gov't is packpedalling. “It was all a confusion.”

    Aug 19th, 2014 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 219

    Indeed, they are moving back...for now.

    Aug 19th, 2014 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aimee

    ynesere read “CLARIN” as well , it is the most hated newspaper in argentina by cristina...

    Aug 19th, 2014 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    aimee @ 221

    Thanks for the tip. If CFK hates it, that may well be a good reason to read Clarin. Unfortunately I don't usually have time to do more than quickly scan the headlines of La Nación, and then I move on to Uruguayan, Brazilian and British papers.

    Aug 19th, 2014 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aimee

    you are welcome , it was a reccomendation ! ;)

    Aug 19th, 2014 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #214 Think
    Wandering Ursus Arctos Middendorffi in the streets of nighttime Ottawa are about as probable as a Pacific/Atlantic railway crossing near Chubut
    Good to heat your single malts are safe.
    This summer's evening I'm enjoying a nice Taylor Fladgate 2011 Vintage Port with some very decent California cheese and grapes. Nice change.
    ¡Salud!

    Aug 20th, 2014 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    “Cristina Fernandez will use anti-terrorism law against US company that closed its Argentine plant”

    . . . uh, never mind.

    Aug 21st, 2014 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #215
    Your malts are safe ? Never mind there is a plentiful supply over here.
    You would have enjoyed a trip to Birdfair in Rutland last weekend.
    Islay was represented with a tasting of all the Malts distilled on the island and a really nice gin flavoured with island herbs. I had a great time reminiscing with them about the whisky trade in the 60's and characters around at that time. Orkney produced Highland Park to sample and other Scottish firms produced drams with the mandatory shortbread.
    I also had a talk with the Falklands reps who said tourist bookings were booming. There were several Argentine stands who seemed to be doing some business so they can't all hate us as nostrils would have us believe.
    I spent quite a bit of time with a Chilean tour operator based in Punta Arenas discussing the flora and fauna of Patagonia and the Andes.
    I have just sent him an email with references to some of the Scottish Botanic Gardens in which he was interested. Other S.American stands were from Ecuador, Colombia, Brazil, Peru and Belize. They seemed to be happy to be there and doing business.
    I helped arrange a trip for an Ecuadoran lady - an absolute cracker -to tour the Islay distilleries for a 5 day holiday, before she returned home.
    The Northumberland Tourist Board had samples of beers from Allandale Brewery. Various food and drink from Greece, Cyprus, the Azores, Spain, Portugal and some others I can't even remember culminating in the French fest of Wine, Cider and various goodies. I had to sit for half an hour in the car park before I felt safe to drive !
    So, to sum up, Britain seems to be place to come for business.

    Aug 21st, 2014 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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