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Malvinas: Chile reiterates support for Argentina's claim through dialogue
Foreign minister Heraldo Muñoz reiterated on Wednesday Chile's support for Argentina sovereign rights over the Falkland Islands, Georgia and South Sandwich Islands during a meeting with visiting Daniel Filmus, head of Argentina's desk relative to Malvinas and other South Atlantic Islands affairs. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesArgentina has no VALID claims to the archipelago - only myths, lies and aspirations based on romantic historic ideas with no foundation.
Aug 28th, 2014 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is the diplomatic equivalent of patting Argentina on the head and giving them a biscuit. It keeps them happy and stops them constantly yapping for attention.
Aug 28th, 2014 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0i don't know why Uruguay , or any other SA State for that matter, is still being diplomatic to Argentina. she has no teeth or brains it seems
Aug 28th, 2014 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lets be clear about what the Chilean foreign affairs minister is saying. He is saying that the Falkland Islanders self-determination over 9 generations on the islands means nothing and that he would be quite happy to see them all evicted forcibly to accommodate Argentina's aspirations.
Aug 28th, 2014 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is not a friendly gesture to the UK and we should view it seriously and address our foreign relations with Chile accordingly.
Don't take this disgraceful arse kissing too far. This is nothing more than political double speak that means nothing, except that socialists can always be expected to do the stupid thing.
Aug 28th, 2014 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Makes you wish we had a government with background...
Cowards!
“Chile has had the satisfaction of supporting at the United Nations Decolonization Committee, which calls for negotiations between Argentina and the United Kingdom”.
Aug 28th, 2014 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is just sooooooo desperate to get their grimy mits on OUR lslands.
Aug 28th, 2014 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0No-No-No-No-Noh, naughty boy, Argentina,
Get back in your box.
All of you!
Falklands, then S. Georgia, then S. Orkneys, then, S. Sandwich
Aug 28th, 2014 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The next claim Argentina will make will be for Bouvet Island (Nor.), then Crozet, then Kerguelen, then Tasmania, then Australia itself.
This is a bit like the WWI island-hopping of the Japanese, then the reverse-hopping of the USA.
I guess once the claim is lodged with the UN Decolonization Committee that “New Zealand is Argentine!”, the circle of claims around the Antarctic continent will be complete and Argentina will submit for the Decolonization of Antarctica.
“The Argentinian Empire will last for a thousand years”!
“Seig ... Hurrah”!
Chilean wine off my shopping list then. It's hardly the traditional position of Chile to back Argentina, Chile had been to be the first target of Argentine Lebensraum demands until 1982.
Aug 28th, 2014 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0They have a bunch of fools in charge for now in Chile, mind you, so has the UK.
Then there's honesty, truth and international law. In 1982, argieland breached international law and committed at least two war crimes. An unprovoked attack on a peaceful nation, followed by illegal occupation in contravention of UN Security Council resolution 502. The United Kingdom sent a small task force. In just a few days, it effectively ejected the war criminal from the South Sandwich Islands, South Georgia and the Falkland Islands. It was welcomed as liberators by the people of the Falkland Islands, who had suffered under the occupation of the argie SS. We see a primary principle of international law. “Uti possidetis”. At the end of an armed conflict, occupied territory belongs to the possessor. Thus, as of 1982, the entire history of the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands has been reduced to the events of 14th June 1982. Dumbo argieland can't see it. What does their argument consist of? “Because we wants it”. A Gollum. And their real reason? Resources. Otherwise known as greed. The real situation is obvious. The Islands belong to the UK. When the people of the Falkland Islands are ready, they will, with UK assistance, become independent. In accordance with the UN Charter, argieland will not be permitted to interfere. The reality now is that argieland may have to be destroyed. It cannot be permitted to interfere with the development of a nation. Just look at the “comments” of the brainless argie trolls. So brainless tha they even call themselves “trolls”. Read the “brainless” comments. Not called “brainless” for nothing!
Aug 28th, 2014 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't but into this belief that being two faced is okay. Two faced people should not be trusted. Honesty is always the best policy.
Aug 28th, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn. Uh, does this mean that you - chili - are going to allie with rotting roadkill in the invasion of the Falklands? Or are you just trying to talk the islanders to death? Rotting roadkill, you are wearing - me, the world and even your domestic audience - out with this prattle. Stop the saber rattling and get on with the declonization. Wooops. So let me get this straight. You swap one realm of influence for another and the newly double struck malvinians are now without imperial influence. I don't think that that process and the end that you propose as a result is going to pass the sanity test. You may wish to remove the progeny of the colonists and restock the islands with descendants of the original native first peolples. [Oops. That's going to be a problem. Huh?] Anyway, I and most are bored with the incessant harraunge about the English on your doorstep. And most of us correctly devine that this provocation on the part of rotting roadkill is actually a proxy for some other long unresolved issue of “honor” with your northern betters. Enough. Drop the pretext and git 'er done. As Cretina and Peronista, S.A. well know, the goal isn't to regain the islands but refresh the battle of good vs. evil and firmly restablish rotting roadkill's non economic victimhood at the hands of the monarchists. Chronic loves a dog fight, horse race or any other kind of contest where the outcome may be ever so slightly in question. So, I propose a war as a kind of grand scale drama to divert the attention from the domestic malaise of both countries. Rotting kill probably has more of a chance than they realize if they could modernize their strategy and go non-conventional. I won't speak to Britain's long distance capacity as other may be more knowledgeable on their current ability. If the U.S.A. intervenes - 100% probability if the English are being anihilated - the rest of the shooting lasts about ten minutes. Remember Saddam's retreat from Kuwait? & US needs a win.
Aug 28th, 2014 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would any country on earth support an illegitimate sovereignty claim? The mind boggles.
Aug 28th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile like Argentina doesn't recognise Kosovo but 110 out of 193 member States Do. They are swimming against the tide...
this is the new south America speaking with one voice........
Aug 28th, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brti Bob and others. Dont woory- Chile actually does not really mean what she says to Argentina about the the Islands - but she needs to keep them sweetish a bit - look at the map- Chile has a long long border and is a very narrow country- has important economic and travel links etc with Argentina - and if you were Chilean Govt would you want that mad witch on the telephone every day sceeching at you about the malvinas! - No common sense you give her a few little sweeties to shut up. meanwhile you get on with normal relations. hence the name Falkland Islands appears on the dearture board in Punta Arenas Airport, hence the name Falkland Islands appears on all Customs export paperwork on goods sent to the Islands. Hence folks in southern Chile use the name Falkland Islands. Hence there are a number of culturals ans social and business links between southern Chile and the Islands.
Aug 28th, 2014 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We Islanders understand fully and appreciate Chile,s position. They are a good lot.
Little Uruguay has a similar problem.
If I were an islander I would do exactly what “Islander1” posted.
Aug 28th, 2014 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stay away from Argielnad and the rest of South America. You don't need them, (Argielnad, Uruguay or Chile) you belong to a rich country with enough money, weapons and resources so as to be interested in them.
Do not use their territorial waters, no even think about their air space, forget about their ports and harbours. not to mention about cheap hand labor (Chileans are more or lest as Argies..who want them?).
Please, do not complain about any alleged blockade or illegal sanctions. Stop playing the role of the victim, be strong and feared !!!!
Just be something on your own and forget about South America.
Large and direct trips to London, british supplies, no emergency assistance for the continent at all, fisheries and oil exported to Europe. It's the perfect package. It would be the perfect World for all sides.
@8 'The next claim Argentina will make will be for Bouvet Island (Nor.), then Crozet, then Kerguelen, then Tasmania, then Australia itself.
Aug 28th, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'...
no ...the next claim would be for Snipe, Lennox , Nuevo, Navarino, Hoste, and the Beagle Channel.
Are we sure this was what Muñoz said or is it just something from Filmarse and the RG department of domestic propaganda? Muñoz probably just said 'OK whatever... can we go for lunch now?'. A bit like the press releases after visits to Kazakistan and the like....
Chile reiterates support for Argentina
Aug 28th, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We thinks someone is being leant upon,
Still Chile is still a friend up to and until she decides not to be a friend,
Argentina is heading downwards and all those silly enough to supports her will surely go down with her.
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But maybe the time is approaching when the British government wakes up smells the tea bags and stop ALL overseas aid to any country that openly supports Argentina's illegal and bullying claim on British territory.
9 Mr. Ed.
Aug 29th, 2014 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Chile had been to be the first target of Argentine Lebensraum demands until 1982”.
I have read many queer statements here, but this deserves special mention. Do you REALLY believe that Chilean territory, whenever you want, may be the target of Argentine LEBENSRAUM (precisely LEBENSRAUM) demands..?
4 Britworker
”...he would be quite happy to see them all (the Kelpers) EVICTED FORCIBLY to accommodate Argentina´s aspirations“
May I ask when any Argentine statement or official speaker told you about such a purpose...? I´d heartily and indignantly deny it, but I may be wrong. In any case, it strikes me as no little imprudence ”to mention the rope in the hanged man´s home”. Because such a commendable action, the FORCEFUL EVICTION OF ISLANDERS was a shame performed not too long ago by the United Kingdom and the United States acting as partners in Diego García Island, as I was unpolitely bound to remind you at this very place, on a former occasion.
@19
Aug 29th, 2014 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Several leading Argie politicians in recent years have made statements on record to the effect that the Islanders are “illegal Squatters” and have no right to be there.
You are correct in that they have not called for the outright eviction of the Islanders, but that is certainly implied when you deny people the right to live where they were born.
When Argie politicians talk about “respecting the right of the islanders” they are not referring to the people currently living there. They are referring to the fictitious population of non-existing Islanders that were expelled by the British...
“... because we want them” Think (2012).
Aug 29th, 2014 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why does Argentina want these islands, and those of the tip of S.A. and the Antarctic peninsular?
Not for the land itself, but because it allows them to win millions of square miles of the southern oceans.
It has little capacity to exploit them - not even as fisheries - because of the derelict state of the Argentinian economy, industrial infrastructure and territorial defence.
So it wants to sequester these waters and the sea-bed for future exploitation or for sale/lease to developed nations.
None of this is intrinsically wrong - what is wrong is trying to take these waters from other nations that own them.
We see from Donetsk/The Ukraine, that tactics are not exclusively those of armed incursions - devious incursions, economic warfare and vicarious insurgent activities can be just as warlike; this is surrogate war, and it may snare other nations using 'defence agreements' (like the start of WWI).
UNASUR may bring pressure to bear - and even foreign troops and weaponry - using paranoid states such as Venezuela, Cuba and the Bolivarian South American 'minnows'. The importance of these 'allies' is in their voting pressure in the United Nations.
As long as the developed nations play by the UN rules they are placed at risk by the vagaries of voting by the minnows. Only the USA, Russia and China play a different game (and even these attempt to operate through UN Resolutions to validate their actions (Blair/Bush and WMDs in Iraq).
So, when the Argentine elections approach, anticipate 'huge' support from the 'minnows' for actions in the South Atlantic/Antarctic seas.
@20 Z-ville
Aug 29th, 2014 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Excuse me, but FIRST of all, I must insist that I am unaware of any OFFICIAL statement on Argentine part even remotely referring to an EVICTION in this case. (Please, correct me if neccessary). SECOND: Having been born in the Islands means that you are “ipso facto” argentines to our legislation. And consequently it´s IMPOSSIBLE to “deny you the right to live were you were born”. (Perhaps you remember the highly publicized ceremony of President Cristina granting his Argentine document to an Islander ). Otherwise if you want to keep your British condition, as the insular referendum indicates, you will also keep you property, your way of living, your schools, your traditions, your business, JUST IN THE SAME WAY THAT HAVE KEPT THEM THOSE WELSH SETTLERS IN NORTHERN PATAGONIA, 150 YEARS AGO.And all this concerns, indeed, “to the people currently living there”.
@22Argenfellow,
Aug 29th, 2014 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0All very nice, l'm sure.
However this is NOT Argentina & we are NOT Argentines.
And we have no desire to make this so.
We do not give a rat's arse what your legislation says.
Your writ doesn't run in these lslands.
The sooner that you people get that through your thick heads, the better.
You need re-programming,
We don't claim your country,
Don't claim ours.
Thank You
President Bachelet, who is no doubt a clever woman, should appoint a horse in place of minister Munoz- and, of course, a donkey, instead of minister Burgos.
Aug 29th, 2014 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
“Chile has had the satisfaction of supporting at the United Nations Decolonization Committee, which calls for negotiations between Argentina and the United Kingdom”.
Aug 29th, 2014 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what effect does the C24 actually have?
How many negotiations has the C24 initiated?
So Chile's support and the C24 are meaningless-from Argentina's view they have achieved jack shit, why not chose another method of gaining satisfaction by actually achieving something?
It might help Chile and Argentina if they actually study the remit of C24 which is to decolonise territories (i.e. help them to independence), not to continue colonialism with another colonial power.
If the Falkland islanders wished independence and the UK denied this, the C24 would have some real leverage. But as they are suggesting a 'solution' that goes against their own remit i.e. Independence replacing colonialism,, this is giving the UK an excuse not to do anything.
Why should the UK bother to discuss the sovereignty of the Falklands with Argentina, when the rules of the C24 are to achieve de-colonisation by Independence?
Chile's politicians might consider working out that if Argentina ran the Falklands, Lan Chile would be booted out in favour of Argentina's airline and as the economy would be ferked within a year of Argentina taking over, all the Chilean workers currently in the Falklands would lose their jobs and Chile would lose their trade currently enjoyed with the Falkland Islands.
Would the Falklands under Argentina buy £millions of produce off Chile?
No chance.
“Muñoz stated the pleasure of having received former senator Filmus at his office, ”
Pleasure? More like one of the biggest bores on the planet.
@25 Pete
Aug 29th, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would our politicians care about a weekly flight to the FI? It is one flight operated by the region's largest airline.
There are about 200 Chileans working in the FI. Again not exactly a matter of national importance.
Why are so many of the British posters here, so hyper-sensitive to anything said about the FI? It can't be that difficult to understand Chile's position and what is important to Chile.
If France had a territorial dispute with Australia over a small island with the population of a tiny village, how important would this be for British politicians? Exactly.
Your logic in #26 is poor in the extreme, Condor.
Aug 29th, 2014 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fr and Aus fighting over (eg) Heard Island would be almost of academic interest for the UK, but TFI, whilst of 'almost academic interest' to Chile, is of immense interest to the UK, its Protector. Subjected to invasion , as TFI was in 1982, is there any wonder about the sensitivity of the Brits.?
Apologies if I have misunderstood your argument.
isolda
Aug 29th, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no, the malvinas falklands are in fact argentinian, and yes, you lot (thanks god) are not argentinian.
that´s why you lot should look for another group of islets to squat.
@27 Geoff
Aug 29th, 2014 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand why the Brits are sensitive about the FI given recent history. That is fine. I also support FI right to self-determination. What I am bemoaning is the lack of understanding of Chile's position from some British posters. The FI is obviously not a foreign policy priority for Chile so you can't expect Chile to act as if it were.
The example of a dispute with France and Australia was to make the point, that from Chile's perspective, a neighbour has a dispute with a country at the other side of the world. If France (a neighbour of the UK) had a dispute with a country at the other side of the world (Australia), how important a priority would it be for British foreign policy? Not very.
PS. I think that France and Australia do actually have some kind of a dispute over New Caledonia, although nothing like the FI issue.
Paul #28
Aug 29th, 2014 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, we don't need to squat, we have toilets that we can sit on - though I am aware that others have something called a 'long dropper' (I've a feeling that you might be more familiar with this ;)
@28. If what you say is true then you need to take the matter to the world court. But remember, a sovereignty claim without a case is illegitimate and w o r t h l e s s.
Aug 30th, 2014 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@28 paulcedron,
Aug 30th, 2014 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just because you wish OUR lslands were yours, does not make it so.
You are one of the biggest hypocrites & are also squatters.
Argentina belongs to the native Amerindian peoples & you Latin squatters should return to Spain & ltaly, where you belong.
UK and USA should understand that there is a new paradigm in relations between our countries of South America.
Aug 30th, 2014 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today the friendship and support is stronger than ever.
We all remember as helped Argentina to Chile in 2010 on the earthquake (earthquake occurred at 3:34:08 pm (UTC-3), Saturday 27 February 2010, which reached a magnitude of 8.8 on the scale Richter). Argentina reacted quickly sending military field hospital to Chile, where for weeks the only operational hospital in the area saving the lives of many Chileans.
To all inglish that using this website to shoot sh.....to my country, I tell that I understand and that you are the result of their history, were first invaded by the Roman Empire, then normans and almost hitler: all this created a particular way of seeing and thinking about things: to you only care about money, oil, business, arms, etc.
You are the result of their own history but that does not give them the right to invade other countries how you did with Malvinas in 1833.
Not to mention what you did in India, Egypt, africa, (all those poor people).
is it so, Hernan? Why don't you then send us Guzman's killer and terrorist instead of saving his *ss? I am sorry, but we can't believe you... when will you apologize for operacion soberania and take responsability for this agression, instead of continue lying to your young population, that we “betrayed” you? As Long as there is no mea culpa in Argentina, there will be no real friendship and trust. Of course between indiviuals, but trusting your government? NEVER EVER... if you don't by yourself, don't expect us to....
Aug 30th, 2014 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 Man Rod
Aug 30th, 2014 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems that you have suffered a memory lapsus on this particular point, ManRod. At the beginning of Malvinas operations, General Pinochet told “urbi et orbi” that our back was “WELL GUARDED” on the Chilean side. Literally, that Argentina “TENÍA LAS ESPALDAS BIEN GUARDADAS” (por el lado de Chile). And I assure you that I remember perfectly well those words. Later, in England, Pinochet enjoyed the treatment that the Empire reserves its cipays, when circumstances have rendered them useless for it. A wonderful opportunity, not wasted, both for Chile and for the General to suffer that Mammoth humiliation, right...? But you DO REMEMBER IT, right...?
@34 Manrod,
Aug 30th, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are of course, correct.
lf we had fallen, then Chile was next.
Maybe Uruguay after you. Not sure about that one.
The planning for Operation Soberania is NOT the actions of a friendly country.
What is it with these Argentines? They seem to have a “born-to-rule” attitude.
And to rake up the dirty bits of Britain's past, while glossing over their own.
@ 33 Hernan,
Not to mention what you did in Patagonia(all those poor people).
Man rod: Sorry, I do not know who that guzman: but what I saw in google two names, one Abimael Guzman ( from Peru) and the other Chapo Guzman (from Mexico): two people dedicated to terrorism and drug trafficking and therefore despicable people.
Aug 30th, 2014 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the decade of the 90s in Argentina we had two terrorist attacks, one against the Israeli Embassy and the other in AMIA (a Jewish mutual) and to this day the Argentine government requires the Iranian government to hand over the murderers they committed these crimes in my country, but the Iranian government systematically denies this. The motive for the attack was presumably because Argentina sent two warships to the Gulf War to help coalizion led by the United States and UK.
Concerning Sovereignty operation: you must Understand that these were times where all the countries in the region trying to attack each other (a total and complete madness, attacked brother against brother). We should apologize one another for these dark times of military dictatorships.
Thank God I was not born at the time, and thank god there is now democracy and friendship between the countries of the region. This makes us stronger than ever.
Isolde: the desert campaign is not something we are proud, today is under the historical revisionism. By the same process happened united states with the conquest of the West.
I respect the opinions of both and wish you a good weekend.
@36 Isolde
Sep 01st, 2014 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Not to mention what you did in Patagonia (all those poor people)“
I suspect that, had you been the victim of one of the old ”malones“, and thrown into captivity as the mistress of one of those savages, this fortunate one would have hardly ressembled your Tristram´s dream, ”not to mention“ his indian wives ”tenderness” towards you.
While this Chilean position may be welcome in Argentina it is irrelevant because even if the Chileans were to oppose Argentinian sovereignty the UK will returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Sep 01st, 2014 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@38 Argenfellow,
Sep 01st, 2014 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0That may well be true.
But if you Argentines hadn't had INVADED the “malones” land, then this problem would not have arisen.
The cheek of you Argentines, condemning a people for fighting “dirty” when you are the ones to cause the trouble in the first place.
Guerrilla warfare is never pretty.
@39 Hepatia,
You haven't raised your head for a while, Mrs “returning malvinas in 25 years”.
Did you think that we had forgotten you?
Where are these malvinas? And just exactly WHAT are they?
And who will they be returned to?
l think you need a cup of tea, a bex & a good lie down.
@40 Isolde
Sep 01st, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But if you Argentines hadn´t had INVADED the ”malones“ land, then this problem would not have arisen”
Please, Isolde, if you Britons hadn´t had INVADED FOUR CONTINENTS, THE MYRIAD OF PROBLEMS of de-colonization would not have arisen, either. But the gist , here, is that it was not possible to speak of the “malones” LAND. These pillaging raids, the malones, killed men and stole cattle and women from Buenos Aires “estancias”, driving them to the pampas , and to Chile afterwards, (“camino de los chilenos”), selling the cattle there. These indians were, and had always been, nomads and hunters. The only territorial boundaries they could accept were those forced on them by the superior strenght of other nomad-hunters hostile tribes. Just as those of United States Western and Southern regions . The end of the story, here and there, was the same: the rifle as the cutting-edge of civilization (this time, unfortunately, with no “C”).
@41 Argenfellow,
Sep 01st, 2014 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To true that we spread around the world, so did you(or your Spanish ancestors).
I think that you will find that your ancestors were just as brutal, or probably worse than any of ours.
Just answering Hernán, who seemed to initially think that it was OK for Argentina to commit atrocities, but not OK for the British.
Of course it is not OK for anyone to commit atrocities & you Argentines are not exempt.
Your whole country is based on theft.
You stole Argentina from the native Amerindian peoples.
l admit, so did we.
We stole Canada & Australia etc from people who were there before us.
So stop being hypocritical & 'oh so pure!“.
These BsAs estancias, that you spoke of, were stolen from the rightful owners, often with great bloodshed.
So you have no case when you say that cattle & women etc were ”stolen“ from them.
lf your ancestors had stayed in Spain then this wouldn't have happened.
Now would it, Argenfellow?
Anyway, this is all just academic, & still does nothing to advance Argentina's ridiculous ”claim”on British territories in the South Atlantic.
ISOLDE : You mentioned Where are these malvinas? And just exactly WHAT are they?: OK, I'll answer:Malvinas is the Argentinian name we give to our island, which form an archipelago in the South Atlantic Ocean on the continental shelf of ARGENTINA. They are surrounded by the sea called ARGENTINE epicontinental sea, a distance of 480 km from Patagonia ARGENTINA, 772 km northeast of Cape Horn, 1,080 km west of South Georgia and 940 miles north of the Elephant Island in Antarctica.
Sep 01st, 2014 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Occupied by force by the British in 1833 and claimed 40 million Argentines by all peaceful means at our disposal.
Malvinas are feeling and at the same time very deep wound, also malvinas are:
The 323 dead murderer by Mrs. Thatcher in May 2 of 1982 OUT OF EXCLUSION ZONE.
The Strait of san carlos and Pleasant Bay, where Argentine fighter pilots showed their professionalism.
The Longdon, Harriet, Two Sisters, Tumbledow mounts where our boys of 17 and 18 years old left their blood FOR ALL ETERNITY between snow for our country (our real heroes).
Mount Kent: where that glorious day 13 JUNE 1982 THE GENERAL JEREMY MOORE AND BRIGADIER JULIAN THOMPSON HAD MORE FEAR AND RAN TO SAVE THEIR LIVES.
Darwin and Goose Green where 230 white crosses tell everyone that “MALVINAS FUERON, SON Y SERAN ARGENTINAS”.
It is for all our brothers who are still there, in our islands, for which we have an obligation to continue claiming peacefully by our two beautiful sisters named Gran Malvina, Soledad y Georgias who were kidnapped in 1833 by an old and dark empire.
This is the desire of 40 million brothers who wait confident and assured, day by day, that someday we embrace them strongly and tell them: “QUERIDAS HERMANAS BIENVENIDAS A CASA”
@43 Hernán,
Sep 02nd, 2014 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the geographical points that you have tended, l'm assuming that you are getting this mythical place called the ……“malvinas?” mixed up with OUR country, the Falkland lslands.
How you could you make such a mistake is mystifying.
All l can say is that Argentine education is sadly lacking. lo siento muchisimo.
l'm sorry for your aspirations, of course, but you'll have to do your colonising elsewhere.
The Falklands are OURS & if 40million deluded Argentines think that these lslands are theirs, then 40million Argentines are sadly mistaken.
As for the rest of your rant…
You tried to sink our Aircraft carriers, but don't like it when we sank your cruiser? Really Hernán, what do you think our submarine should have done? Surface and ask the crew of the Belgrano for coffee & galletas?
Get real.
@46 Hernan
Sep 06th, 2014 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas is the Argentinian name we give to our island”
Sour Grapes as a name for your Island mirroring Argentine mentality “it's never our fault, guv” is a good match but lacking in imagination.
I believe Government House greenhouse grows Hamburg Grapes but I don't think it's for wine-and to the best of my knowledge they are not racked with mildew.
“Occupied by force by the British in 1833”
No, Captain Onslow issued a polite letter, not force. And Great Britain was also there in 1765, they didn't just turn up in 1833, which you failed to mention.
The reason that the numerically superior United Provinces forces did not take on Onslow was that Pinedo's sailors were 80% British who didn't fancy fighting their countrymen.
Not really a smart move was it?
So the United Provinces had to rely on mercenaries.
Why didn't Pinedo's forces employ 100% United Provinces -born sailors?
Imagine if the UK task force in 1982 had sailed to the South Atlantic crewed by 80% Argentine sailors and then been bemused by those sailors diving overboard within sight of their mates?=-no brainer eh?
“The 323 dead murderer by Mrs. Thatcher in May 2 of 1982 OUT OF EXCLUSION ZONE. ”
Your Nazi clown Galteiri was warned through the Swiss on 25th APRIL 1982, that any Argentine forces deemed to be a threat to the UK task force ANYWHERE would be liable to attack.
I understand Galteiri laughed at this and IGNORED the warning as a joke-SO GALTEIRI or 'plastic face, ANAYA put the Belgrano in a position of threat so they are culpable for those Argentine deaths, not Margaret Thatcher.
The Belgrano was not returning to port when attacked but to a holding spot in the South Atlantic that could have led to more moves against the UK forces. Captain Hector Bonzo affirmed this.
Now you can explain why during April 1982, Mrs Thatcher REFUSED permission for the Navy to sink the 25th de Mayo and also refused permission to shoot down Argentina's Boeing 707 reconnaissance aircraft????
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