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Malvinas Argentine sovereignty policy launches book recalling first speech before UN C24
Foreign minister Hector Timerman and Malvinas affairs Secretary Daniel Filmus, made the official presentation of the book “Malvinas Argentine sovereignty; 50 years since ambassador Ruda's speech” which recalls the fiftieth anniversary of the first Argentine presentation on the question of the Malvinas Islands before the UN Decolonization Committee, or C24. Read full article
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Sep 08th, 2014 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0sounds boring.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0“and the recovery of those Islands in our way of combating colonialism”
Sep 08th, 2014 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rubbish. The colonial status of the Falkland Islands was begun by Argentina in an attempt to ususrp sovereignty from the rightful holders. The Islands were recovered from the usurpers in 1833, and again in 1982.
“There's no country in the world that supports the British position and there are over 190 which have publicly expressed, in public statements supporting the Argentine position which is a justice position, the stance of international law”
How many lies do we have here?
First, several countries have said they want a negotiated settlement. That's *not* support for Argentina, as a fair settlement would involve Argentina dropping it's fake claim once and for all.
Second, the position of Argentina is not a “justice position”. You illegally attempted to colonise territory under the sovereingty of another country. When said country recovered their property, you spent the next few decades lying about the “expulsion” of civilians who were in fact invited to stay, but left of their own free will. You then illegaly invaded the Islands in another attempt at usurpation, then whined when you rightly got your arses kicked for your arrogance.
“..the UK based on its military power ignores the mandate of UN assembly Resolution 2065 to negotiate an unsustainable colonial situation in the XXI century.”
And one last lie. Argentina has wrongly insisted that any negotiations result in them getting sovereignty that they neither have legitimate claim to nor deserve.
This is akin to a car thief attempting twice to steal a car, getting non-fatally wounded the second time, then claiming that as he sat in the car twice, he should be allowed to take it.
A fair negotiation can only take place when Argentina does two things.
First, remove the requirement for sovereingty and acknowledge that a fair settlement will result in you dropping your claim.
Second - and this will be hard - you need to stop lying.
They should make a movie out of it, possibly starring Bruce Willis.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Lie Hard” would be a box office smash hit.
Blimey, they've padded “It's ours it is and we wants it” into an entire book?
Sep 08th, 2014 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm actually impressed. Just on the sheer volume of it.
I notice there's mention of the military power of the UK, which is rather odd bearing in mind that for quite a lot of the time Filmus could have counted them without taking his shoes off.
Don't forget the main reason for the garrison being even the platoon size it was in 1982 was the habit of Argentine right-wing nutters to hijack aircraft and force them to fly to the Falklands to “reclaim” them (before they were arrested and deported, condemned as criminals in Argentina and then given a government pension).
The UN resolutions are generally unenforceable recommendations. Argentina on the overhand ignores the actual rule of law on a regular basis. The countries leadership pisses on democracy on a regular basis by trying to control or end freedom of the press and control judicial power.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina........with kirchnerites and peronistas leading the way........you will always be bending over for the Chin and tell them you have your own KY.
@4
Sep 08th, 2014 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0with these 2 clowns it could also be a remake of 'Dumb & Dumber'.
Talking of films, it reminds me of the 80s classic.......The Goonies......a small community getting hassled by a money-grabbing bully. CFK could even be Sloth's long lost sister, although Sloth was a good guy.
What a shower of lying misfits,
Sep 08th, 2014 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0And as for Timerman & Filmus.
l wouldn't trust either of them to even carry out the garbage.
Do they actually draw a wage? or are they acting the goat just for experience so they might get a job sweeping the streets in the future?
Plonkers all.
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Sep 08th, 2014 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I remember part of that - correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the terrorists who hijacked the plane later feted as heroes in Argentina for their actions?
And Hector Timerman repeated it all night,
Sep 08th, 2014 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0we did this, we did that,
we want this, we want that, apparently after two hours doctors were called to rescue those listening...lol
since Argentina is a country born in the fight against colonialism and because the Argentine people have always supported the fight against colonialism“.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Er excuse me?
You speak spanish and look european but live in south america so how did your ancestors get there?
Argenntines:
Sep 08th, 2014 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0FActs - At time of Fitzgerald,s landing and the terrorist Condor group Condor Landing - the British Military prescence in the Islands consisted of our part-time Dads army volunteers armed with a few WW1 .303 rifles and about 6 Royal Marines - and clothead Twitman and thicko Filmus claim that was a “militarization”
Jeez - you lot really are a laugh a second - and now you write a book about it all as well - can I have an English translation please as always like a laugh to read whilst having the morning constitutional!
And yet the easiest way to support of these lies,, is to take it to the ICJ,
Sep 08th, 2014 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0wonder why they will not,
yet continue to sprout lies.
Wot?
Sep 08th, 2014 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yet another book.
Much more of this and they will have to open a museum in their former torture centre!
No. we should listen to this. There are important lessons to be learned. Following this argie example, WE can reclaim Ireland, North America, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, the Caribbean, etc. Thanks for giving us back the British Empire!
Sep 08th, 2014 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Got to love it.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The first line in the Prologue
“On 3 January 1833, British forces occupied the Malvinas Islands and expelled the Argentine authorities and population that resided there.”
is a lie.
Even the RGland government website:
http://cancilleria.gov.ar/es/history
gets that bit right.
”Once order had been restored in Puerto Soledad, on 3 January 1833 a British Royal Navy corvette, with the support of another warship in the vicinity, threatened to use greater force and demanded the surrender and handover of the settlement. After the expulsion of the Argentine authorities, the commander of the British ship left one of the settlers of Puerto Soledad in charge of the flag and sailed back to his base. In 1834, the British Government assigned a Navy officer to remain in the islands, and only in 1841 did it decide to “colonize” the Malvinas Islands by appointing a “governor”.
Does the left hand have any idea what the right hand is doing?
May as well post the rebuttal of Ruda's address from Pascoe and Pepper: http://cancilleria.gov.ar/es/history
What we have to remember is that the book 'glorifies' Ruda's address. Now should the RGland government admit that he got any little bit of it wrong it would 'beg the question' 'What else did he get wrong?'. As we know from Pascoe and Pepper - quite a lot!
Haven't they got anything better to do!
Sep 08th, 2014 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean, really!
What on earth do they honestly think they will achieve?
That someone in Port Stanley, or Whitehall is going to read it and say “oh yah. Right, got it now. Looks like we been wrong all along chaps! Awfully sorry about that”.
um... No.
rotting roadkill, the whole world is bleeding at the ears from being subjected to your never ending harangue. Quit asserting your claim over F.I. and act on it or shut up.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ #12
Sep 08th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just in case you were serious here is the English version:
https://www.mrecic.gov.ar/userfiles/alegato_ruda_eng.pdf
A sovereignty claim without a case is illegitimate. Lol
Sep 08th, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's not a book.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a pamphlet!
The book of cockroaches springs to mind.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 by the 'Chuckle Brothers'
Sep 08th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will receive the Nobel Prize for Illiterature.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why now?
Sep 08th, 2014 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean, normally they roll out all this stuff-and-nonsense on the anniversary of the British victory in the Falklands war. So you would have to ask why are they doing it now?
It's not like they have to distract the entire population from the fact they were comprehensively humiliated militarily and diplomatically throughout the entire conflict right? So why now? why all the fuss?
Could it be that with their economy in tatters and TMBOA and her cronies have been humiliated in the US courts and with Singer knocking on the door of the country wanting to be paid, they have fallen back on the age old fail safe?
Oh and by the way, message to TMBOA, if I could para phrase Tony Stark at this point, from “The Avengers” movie :-
“When they come, and they will, they will come for you”
When you do run, be sure not to make your great escape in Tango1, it will be impounded immediately on landing anywhere outside of TDC.
Although I have said it before I believe it is worth repeating here. In his address to sub-committee III Ruda makes much of why he (Argentina) believe the Islanders do not have the right to self-determination.
Sep 09th, 2014 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0In later life Dr Ruda went on to be a Judge at the ICJ and was a member of the court that handed down the Advisory Opinion on the Western Sahara:
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/61/6195.pdf
Judge Ruda wrote a dissenting opinion on this:
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/61/6195.pdf
Paragraphs 54 to 59 of the Advisory Opinion deal with the right to self-determination of NSGT's. Paragraph 54 is particularly interesting as it reiterates paragraph 52 of the Advisory Opinion on Namibia which is the one that states that ALL NSGT's have the right to self-determination.
Judge Ruda makes no comment whatever on paragraphs 54-59 of the Western Sahara Opinion, in view of his comments to sub-committee III I find this amazing, surely a man of Dr Ruda's intelligence would have realised how damaging to Argentina's 'case' paragraph 54 is?
“In 1960 the right to independence of subjugated peoples and the end of colonialism was developed at the UN and in 1964 ambassador Ruda...” used it to try and subjugate the people of the Falklands.
Sep 09th, 2014 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just out of interest, how do the Argentinians circumvent the GA Resolution 1514 that states....
Sep 09th, 2014 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 057. General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) provided the basis for the
process of decolonization which has resulted since 1960 in the creation of
many States which are today Members of the United Nations. It is
complemented in certain of its aspects by General Assembly resolution 1541
(XV), which has been invoked in the present proceedings. The latter
resolution contemplates for non-self-governing territories more than one
possibility, namely:
(a) emergence as a sovereign independent State;
(b) free association with an independent State; or
(c) integration with an independent State.
At the same time, certain of its provisions give effect to the essential feature of
the right of self-determination as established in resolution 1514 (XV). Thusprinciple VI1 of resolution 1541 (XV) declares that: “Free association should
be the result of a free and voluntary choice by the peoples of the territory
concerned expressed through informed and democratic processes.” Again,
principle IX of resolution 1541 (XV) declares that:
”Integration should have come about in the following circumstances:
...............................
(b) The integration should be the result of the freely expressed wishes
of the territory's peoples acting with full knowledge of the change in
their status, their wishes having been expressed through informed and
democratic processes, impartially conducted and based on universal
adult suffrage. The United Nations could, when it deems it necessary,
supervise these processes.”
I know there will be the 'you stole it' type arguments, but after 1982, sovereignty has been settled by war. So how do they justify their ignorance of the above.
@ #28
Sep 09th, 2014 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0They try to get round by saying such things as it does not apply to the islanders as they are 'usurpers', 'implanted' or some other such nonsense completely ignoring the fact that Article 73 of the UN Charter refers just to 'inhabitants'. Now the RGs can put whatever name they like on them until they cease to be inhabitants Article 73 will apply to them.
Then you add to that the fact that the ICJ have stated in 1970:
'Furthermore, the subsequent development of international law in
regard to non-self-governing territories, as enshrined in the Charter of the
United Nations, made the principle of self-determination applicable to all
of them. The concept of the sacred trust was confirmed and expanded to
all “territories whose peoples have not yet attained a full measure of
self-government” (Art. 73). '
From the foregoing it seems self evident that for the Islanders to loose the right to self-determination conferred by Article 73 they will:
1. Have to cease to be a NSGT. Difficult in view of the fact that by UNGA resolution 2065 they are (Argentina supported that resolution by the way, UK abstained)
or
2. Get the ICJ to admit that there are exclusions/conditions/exceptions to the lovely three letter word 'ALL'.
I do not see either of these things happening in the foreseeable future. Do you?
Iam,
Sep 09th, 2014 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only way a NSGT can lose a separate right to self determination is if it integrates with another state, in which case its rights become part of the state it has joined. For all the other criteria for removal from the list of NSGTs, the right to self determination is not lost. A NSGT does not lose the right to self-determination if it becomes an independent state.
They can shwout and scrweam and stamp their little feet all they like. I ain't gonna happen.
Sep 09th, 2014 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is just more distraction from the economic mess and corruption.
The Argentine claim is based on faith rather than reason, and it survives like any faith through its martyrs, relics, rituals, catechisms and indoctrination.
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