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PM Cameron promises to hunt down IS murderers of British hostage
Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron chaired a meeting of the government's emergency response committee on Sunday under growing pressure to sanction air strikes after an Islamic State video showed the beheading of a British hostage. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMy bet is that the SAS ( Special Air Service ) are indeed “ on the ground ” gathering intelligence.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0SURPRISE SURPRISE!!! No body blames Israel!
Sep 15th, 2014 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe Daviv Haines sacrifie was not in vain. Brits; Open your eyes to see the real danger before it is too late, Radical Islam. And it is invading Egland.
Cameron cannot find his arse when he is sitting on it.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The old addage still applies: it's the grunts with guns in the field that finish it, unless of course they want to nuke every country who supports these cretins and why not?
Boots on the ground...International alliance....kill them all....
Sep 15th, 2014 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0David speaks a lot, but does little,
Sep 15th, 2014 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0either he and the government are going great things they aint telling us about,
or he is just plain confused
the main trouble with Britain over the last 30 odd years is that we have gone soft,
they cut the military, yet still want glory,
he gives billions in aid, and gets shit on in return,
now then-you can walk softly and carry a big stick,
but cant talk tough , and do nothing, it makes one look very stupid.
just my opinion.
The US nor Europe will be putting boots on the ground save they are very stupid.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ISIS is after all a legitimate Sunni expression of Syria and Iraq.
America will limit itself to containment bombing of strategic IS assets and preventing their frontiers for overextending in hope for the borders to settle down and the wars reach a certain stagnation to the point where life goes on as usual. There is a dozen of other major islamist groups all over the Middle East at this moment, they will compete for western recruits, donations and prestige at the same time.
CD the Nazi's were also an expression of the Germanic peoples but is carried it's practices outside of the morn of a modern society, so in the end they were not allowed to exist as will be the case for ISIS.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for, and I hate that phrase, “boots on the ground”, there is be a light divisional size that will be needed, no doubts in my mind. Like ChrisR says, wars need grunts. You can drop all the bombs you want, but until someone plants a flag on the steps of city hall, no ground is taken. I see a light infantry division made up mostly American brigades or regiments and the rest multi-nationals. Don;t tie their hands this time and let them fight.....there is no PC in wars.
Before I get too carried away...please someone tell me this is not an elaborate plot by the Yanks behind the scenes, to drum up the support from the UK, that they failed to get in the first instance to take strategic assaults on Syria.....
Sep 15th, 2014 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's all rather convenient....and now seems to be targeting the UK....
...and getting the desired results....
...a couple of sacrifices and the whole ballgame changes....
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Sep 15th, 2014 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that the Libyan uprising against Gaddafi has proven that amateur fighters can take down a national regular army with overwhelming air power and assistance over a period of time.
The US and Iran already have the peshmerga, who seem well trained and willing fighters.
The question is how much does Turkey want the Iraqi Kurds to push back to the West against ISIS and how much they fear Kurdistan will prove itself a worthy ally of the US and other powers in the region. How much can Iran use the Kurs as a leverage against Turkey is another factor without affecting their own Kurdish minorities.
IMO the thing to watch here is the diplomacy behind doors. ISIS is not the news in itself.
@3, 5. Who's lost the plot? You have. On the one hand we have the weak-kneed lily-livered, gutless cowards amongst the British public ,and even Parliament, that screech “None of our business”, “Not our problem”, “Keep us out of it”. Anybody asking THEM to go? No. It's our airmen, sailors and troops that will go. Courageous men and women who have signed up to defend Britain and its interests. But certain individuals, whose greatest risk is tripping on the stairs as they drunkenly return to bed, think they should determine what Britain does. Who exactly has access to British Intelligence? The British Prime Minister? Or Uncle Tom Sanchez Cobbley? At the beginning of WW2, we threw over 300,000 men across the Channel. A while later we managed to evacuate most of them. But I have no doubt that every single British death weighed on the thoughts of Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And how is it different for David Cameron? Except that, for Churchill, Britain knew it was at war. For Cameron, the 'wets' are still powerful. Most of Britain doesn't understand that it's AT WAR. And what message does that send to our enemies? It sends the message that we, Britain, are weak. Who are our enemies? Most of South America, Asia, the Middle East, Russia. Militarily, of course, we're not. If we forget all the 'human rights' in the midst of war crap, we can do what's necessary. 'Human rights' claim against British forces? Lead the lawyer quietly to the special conference room. Complete with the stone walls dripping with moisture, coated with fungi. Ensure privacy by locking the door. Private conference with the client(s). Introduce gas or extract air. Forget 'rules of engagement'. It's a war. Kill it. We can tell when we've won because we're the last ones standing.
@8. Who cares? It's Islamic and therefore must be killed and destroyed. Suicide bomb and get 72 virgins. What sort of sex-crazed paedophile thought that one up? Guy called Mohammed.
#10 Conqueror
Sep 15th, 2014 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Somehow, after reading your post, my coffee tastes so much better.
These terrorists have legally lost their human rights to a fair trial.
Cheers!
CD amateurs can stifle a professional national army only when that professional gears it's offense with minimizing civilian casualties and not wanting to destroy religious and historic structures. We see ISIL decapitating the heads of aids workers, specifically targeting them. DO you really believe that if we choose the level Syria east to Tehran they can stop that, if we choose to?
Sep 15th, 2014 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I say “fuck it and then them and the camel they fuck”. I am ready to nuke the entire region.
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Sep 15th, 2014 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you need to go back to certain basics of history, geography and common sence before nuking them.
You know after following and studying the Middle East for years I have come to the conclusion ithas always being sectarian even before the existance of Islam. You just need to let them kill each other comforting yourself in the fact that they hate each other more than they hate you.
How long have you being in Afghanistan now over a decade?? Why do the Taliban enjoy support amongst the civilians and locals still?? They have already enjoyed the chance to vote and send girls to school. But they choose the islamic way of life and shaia law.
And the US gov't needs to be realistic and explain to the American public, as cyncal as it sounds that if dictator “X” or “Y” is willing to provide them cheap oil and keep the neighbourhood clean of terrorists and provide a minimum business enviroment for investment and trade, then it is none of our business to tell them how their governance should function, what to publish or not, how they should treat women, etc.
You dont need to send aid either.
The Greeks already took democracy over a milenium ago to these regions with Alexander's Conquests and failed to establish it on the long term.
Yes Islam is a totalitarian backward ideology. I agree 100%. Just let them be. YOU CANNOT CHANGE THEM AND IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS TO DO SO NOR MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.
The problem starts when you invite Islam home. What is the point of what Conqueror says of fighting them in the ME if Islam is outbreading them like cockroaches in their own cities and towns??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2755654/The-changing-face-Britain-A-child-Birmingham-likely-Muslim-Christian.html
That is the biggest danger when these people inherit Western technology and economies over the next 50 years or so.
The scum bag who is doing this killing, has become the UK's OBL.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is a dead man walking and any Brit Jihadist with him, when he is found, will accompany him straight to hell where he and they belong!
Obviously CD we both (I think you do) know that nuking is not going to happen. My point being it's a God forsaken place and not worth the trouble anymore. The people themselves care little for their own outcomes and it is not worth fighting with the contraints that we do. Again, they can reach havoc only because we fight with general guidelines and they do not. Again, nuke the place for there is none and nothing worth saving.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trouble is that these people are rarely caught. Unless...as was alluded to by
Sep 15th, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(15) Capt. Poppy; an OBL type mission.
These vermin have torn up their British/American/Australian etc Passports so they are stateless and so have renounced any kind of Western justice. They should be handed over to the Saudi religious pólice and be judged by their own sharia law and when convicted stoned to death.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What ??
Sep 15th, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is that not what was said,
Cameron is weak and he does talk a lot, but does very little,
he has reduced our forces and he gives billions to ain,
what I said was fair
the whole point of carrying a big stick is to use it when required,
and it is required now,
Cameron is to frightened that parliament will defeat him,
or he does not feel confidant of his actions,
to date Australia and Germany has sent troops and aircraft,
40 nations met today to discus the problem, and the foreign secretary stated on TV today that the UK government would help where it could but at this time we will still go it alone,
no doubt the other 40 nation were as confused.
they need destroying theirs no argument on that, but sooner rather than later would help,
just my opinion.
but the Americans insist on that mostly ISIS militants speak with British accents .!
Sep 15th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then they should be punished,
Sep 15th, 2014 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if they are not killed abroad then they should be refused re-entry back into the UK,
but as our government is so weak , they will be allowed back,
we are all told it would be illegal to refuse them,
As someone pointed out today in a letter to Cameron, who actually runs this bloody country, us or everyone else.??
15. CP
Sep 15th, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know that nobody is going to nuke the ME. Though Israel is worth saving.
You dont have a right to nuke it. Accept that they just like to live their life of tribal and sectarian warfare. It has being their history fo mileniums. You cant assume that they aspire to democracy and western values. As the same way they shouldnt have a right to go to westen countries and impose their customs,thinking, religion, sharia laws and culture upon the rest of society. But the fact is they do.
As the same way they shouldnt have a right to go to westen countries and impose their customs,thinking, religion, sharia laws and culture upon the rest of society.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0totally agree on this bit..
@ 10 Conqueror.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop being a pratt!
I have been a Conservative voter from the first time I was old enough to vote, I come from a family who would have elected a donkey to Parliament if it had worn a red rosette and saw for myself the idiocy of the Labour Party first hand.
However, since the resignation of The Blessed Margaret, leaders of the Conservative Party have been weak willed namby-pambies, culminating in this stupid bastard. When he was made leader I researched his background and what he had ‘achieved’. I knew from that he was a ‘wrung ‘un’ and should not be trusted with the Nation. Whether you like it of not I have been proven correct.
BTW my father was in the BEF but was one of the early wounded and evacuated back to the UK before Dunkirk. When he recovered he went down the mines as he was unfit for the army. A number of my extended family died or were so seriously wounded their lives were foreshortened by their part in the war in general. Over 300,000 BEF were sent: 338,226 returned, so I hope that your oxymoron of “British Intelligence” had a real good look at the 38,226 extras.
The UK is not Argentina; commenting on the abysmal people in government is still allowed when they deserve it. Cameron does deserve it and, if the Scots vote Yes, will be out of power at the next election and the party that gets in then will lose their majority when the Scottish Labour scum slink back north. And who failed to deal with the perceived rift that the Scots have: Camoron, that's who.
Right......right? Like they do not have the right to attack innocent lives? Like they do not have to right to act on anyone not worshipping Islam is an infidel and should die. Fuck this right shit. We’re not talking about some arbitrary concept to convey to the citizens of some society. There are no rights to war, killing and dying. I can give two flying fucks if they wish to live in the 8th century and cut their wives heads off when they talk back to them….really, kill them all amongst themselves I say. But……..when they kill me and my kind, they wish to die and I vehemently wish to comply and expedite their wishes. And you know, it is not the true tribesman, the nomads in the areas being it the Turks, Arabs or even the Persians. They have some integrity and are not religious fanatics…….real or feigned. It is the so called leaders who are the most dangerous, the false prophets. Fight a war to win it, you beat them into submission it extinction.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't ever forget that right's are arbitrary....manmade.
“PM Cameron promises to hunt down IS murderers of British hostage”
Sep 15th, 2014 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With what Dave?
The 2, possibly 3 Eurofighters you've left us with? or the single company of para's that you've kept?
Or are you going to use those aircraft carriers? You know the one's... oh hang on a minute, we haven't got any have we Dave? AAAnnddd we haven't got any aircraft to fly off them either have we Dave?? You took care of that one didn't you huh Dave? You and your little b*tch Nick Clegg. Thanks for that Dave!!!
Or are you, just like last time, and the time before that, going to sit back in your comfy chair and use harsh language against them?
oooooohhhh, I can see them trembling with fear at the thought of it!!!
Just for the record, I didn't vote for you 'cos you are a gutless, whining, non-man who has ruined this country and stripped it of it's armed forces. Thanks Dave, with all this going on in the world, what do you do? You cut the armed forces back to well below a “safe” level, you don't listen to your Generals and chiefs of staff and even your own politicians who told you not to.
Roll on 2015, then we can get someone with a bit more common sense and a LOT more back bone into Number 10.
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Sep 15th, 2014 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But if you recall this story it was the US that choose to bomb IS in the fist place. Its not that IS is deliberately killing Americans and intends to do so. They are more interested in what happens in Damascus or in Baghdad than what happens in New York. I'm very sorry fo Foley and the other guys that were executed but they were war journalists and new where they were going and the risks involved, in fact Foley had being kidnapped by other Islamists in Libya in 2012. So it wasnt the first time he was in this situation. As sad as it is remember that out of his own free will he was there.
Regarding IS. These people uploaded a couple of videos (some of them very good quality) in Liveleaks of beheadings and killings
1) Spread fear amongst the locals.
2) Entice possible recruits in the west.
3) Promote themselves.
You must understand that despite the bloodshed and the massacres and the violence there is a point to it. Terror attacks have carefully thought out objectives.
It wasnt long for the media to pick up on it and have the American public scandalized about it but this only came to alarm levels when the Iraqi army collapsed and fled Mosul like cowards all the way to back to Baghdad. Its pretty clear that Sunni elements in the army and in the local government collaborated with ISIS. Its just another sectarian conflict.
Obama was right to be reluctant (this time he got it right) to go in.
Odd thing is that i find myself explaining these basic concepts to you that have being there and have being in the army. I should be an advisor to the Pentagon or work fo some private intellegence company. I'm asking myself if I have wasted heaps of talent.
Illustrious , ocean , both able to be used when required, both are able to have F35 fly off them,
Sep 15th, 2014 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0illustrious has gone,/ ocean will be decommissioned before the Elizabeth is ready [ WHY ]
saving money is one thing, but giving away billions and then say we have no money borders on either idiocy , treason , or total incompetence.
unless of course im wrong, ??
27. You are an odd fellow.
Sep 15th, 2014 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Odd /////////??????????
Sep 15th, 2014 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hilarious perhaps,
but when the government needs to be slagged off, then so be it.
It's OK, its just the way you are.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately we have brought this on ourselves and decades of Pakistani/Somali immigration. They came to the UK to be Pakistani/Somali in Britain, they had no intentions of ever integrating, instead they built their own religious temples, schools and completely separate communities. They do not share our identity or values, they do not consider themselves as British even several generations on.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have allowed this to happen and now they are killing us and there is nothing we can do about it, because the EU protects their human rights and they will just sail back into the country carry on what they are doing here.
Perhaps you can advise the USA how to fight the Argentine way. KILL THEM ALL. from nits to lice
Sep 16th, 2014 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks guys,
Sep 16th, 2014 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just don’t trust politicians,
Read this item, it might interest you.
Outrage as EU blocks democratic challenge to US trade deal
There is something rotten in the state of Europe when an unelected, unaccountable EU body can glibly inform millions of us that we no longer have the right to question its most dangerous and unpopular policies
TTIP is also a direct threat to our democracy, as the European Commission seeks to allow companies to challenge future policies introduced anywhere in Europe
As always, the UK government is a major part of the problem. Leaked documents from internal EU discussions over the parallel EU-Canada trade talks (CETA) reveal that the UK is the only member state providing unconditional support for the European Commission in its desire to introduce these new powers for business, at the expense of democracy and the rule of law
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2014/09/12/comment-outrage-as-eu-blocks-democratic-challenge-to-us-trad
back tomorrow..
“Perhaps you can advise the USA how to fight the Argentine way. KILL THEM ALL. from nits to lice”
Sep 16th, 2014 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you had any logic and knowledge of Argentine history you must ask yourself why then is C. Kunkel, H. Verbitsky, Nilda Garre, Rafael Bielsa, Eduardo Luis Duhalde , Taiana, Tumini, Bonasso, Felicetti, Bettini (CFKs ex) Esteban Righi and soo many other ex terrorrists are currently in government??
Just read through the comments and cannot stop laughing, you people have no idea about the Middle East except what you read and what you are fed, Cameron is just a side player to Obama although he does add extra weight to Obama's discourse lol and refering more to Obama's speech recently : Big countries lose wars in small countries and no matter how many weapons you have you lose if you have neither morals, goals or strategy. What Obama presented in the speech was a blatant misuse of the word strategy : No stating of the goals + No vision about a better Middle East. But that of course is the objective is it not, to create a succession of failed states, the next on the list being Syria lol I am sure good old Dave will be there to help Obama lol
Sep 16th, 2014 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sit back everyone....the trolls are lecturing. These ARE the one's we want to listen to. They taught us economics now they will be teaching us world affairs.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 036. Fine then, I wont waste my time nor yours any longer...Just let me know when you actually win a war in the middle east and have a friendly government stay in power
Sep 16th, 2014 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Winning wars in the modern era is not a decisive absolute like WWII and you are smart enough to know that. I thought you were in the military but I forgot you were navy.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@37 lol
Sep 16th, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This from The American Journal Of Public Health
Although the British did manage to burn down the White House in the “War of 1812,” the only real war fought on US territory was the war against Southern Secession. In this war Irish immigrants fresh off the boat gave their lives for American Empire. As soon as the South was conquered, the Union forces were set loose on the Plains Indians and destroyed them as well.
Empire over life. That has always been Washington’s guiding principle.
America’s wars have always been fought elsewhere–Cuba, Haiti, Mexico, Philippines, Japan, Germany, Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Somalia. Washington even attacks countries with which the US is not at war, such as Pakistan and Yemen, and engages in proxy wars. The article cited above reports: “The United States launched 201 overseas military operations between the end of World War II and 2001, and since then, others, including Afghanistan and Iraq.”
Leaving aside Germany and Japan.
Not a single one of these wars and military operations had anything whatsoever to do with defending the US population from foreign threats.
How many of these military operations can be called successful lol, apart from installing a private Central Bank and controlling failed State resources which in reality was the objective, so from this point of view you can call them successful lol.
@ 37 / 38 You have no understanding of the protection of military power its reasons and outcomes
It must suck to look up calling names in fits of jealousy.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 37, my last comment should end
Sep 16th, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 / 38
@40 lol jealousy, who needs to be jealous of that kind of record. Todays empires are not like the old British Empire where the invading power installed itself permanently and administered the country themselves into perpetuary Today the modern way is by Proxy. pmsl
There is is again.....straight from the bowels of argentina.......spoken like a true, whatever you screen name is today and tomorrow. Someone must be bumping the likes or you and A-Voice and the likes off MP. Funny what you think of empires......lol.....only in simple brainwashed rg minds.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell you what....email me.......lets talk off line
m.cher1160@outlook.com
PM Cameron promises to hunt down IS
Sep 16th, 2014 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile back on track,
it seems the Cameron government will do it their way.
time will tell if it works,
I find it interesting that Ban Ki Moon supports eliminating isis. I think that after the Scottish vote Cameron will take a more aggressive stance in the middle east. And that includes hunting them in Syria.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 42 Don't like what you read ? so attack the messenger not his argument pmsl, are you an Obama staffer ? Or just a dead beat American Troll yourself ? Stick to your comments on Argentina as with your family connections you seem to think you know the current Argentina, You certainly know nothing about the foreign policy and objectives of the USA in the Middle East Never change my screen name by the way, I have no need as I am not a troll, it seems that those who offer a take on something nearer the reality and real world is a troll in your opinion, It shows your interlect for what it is, I would'nt even give you the time of day never mind e. mail you lol. End of Convo
Sep 16th, 2014 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ROFLMOA. Except for you name you never change.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 042
Sep 16th, 2014 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Someone must be bumping the likes or you and A-Voice and the likes off MP”
What do you mean Pops...the likes..???
Are you picking on me Pops..without provocation...?
Me? We're buds voice.......come on now. And I'm waiting on your vote outcome as much as you are. I just grabbed a name randomly.
Sep 16th, 2014 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK Pops ...I thought I must have misunderstood.....;-)
Sep 17th, 2014 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0PM in a maze,
Sep 17th, 2014 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0confused and lost , indecisive and wobbles,
but always trying.
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